ITT: controversial gun opinions. The M4 is an SMG

ITT: controversial gun opinions
The M4 is an SMG

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not controversial at all since it fires an intermediate round and not a pistol round.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is because SMGs fire pistol rounds
      PDWs fire intermediate rounds

      M4 is a PDW.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        PDW doesn't fire intermediates

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The only thing that's considered a PDW that doesn't is the P90 and that is an SMG

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            PDWs fire proprietary rounds generally designed for them from the beginning. It's part of the definition. The M1/M2 Carbine would be a proto PDW with all the retroactive technicalities in the world of guns.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Just because the P90 fires a proprietary cartridge doesn't mean PDWs do.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Personal defense weapons are a class of compact, magazine-fed, submachine gun-like firearms designed to fire rifle cartridges. Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity centerfire bottleneck cartridge resembling a scaled-down intermediate rifle cartridge, essentially making them an "in-between" hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine
                In the beginning that's what they were, proprietary shit meant to pen soviet helmets, since the definition has been expanded. But every short SMG or AR is not a PDW.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >designed to fire rifle cartridges
                >no mention of proprietary
                Thanks for helping my argument against you, I guess.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity centerfire bottleneck cartridge resembling a scaled-down intermediate rifle cartridge, essentially making them an "in-between" hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine
                Illiteracy is rad

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >SMGs fire pistol rounds
        so an M9 is an SMG?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >SMGs fire pistol rounds
          >therefore everything that fires pistol rounds is an SMG
          just because all squares are rectangles does not mean all rectangles are squares

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          If it's fully auto and has a stock arguably yeah

          Its most effective use is for suppressing fire for a marksman armed with a real rifle chambered in a real rifle caliber.

          It's an assault rifle because it's an autoloader that fires an intermediate chambering.
          Your most effective use isn't correct. It is doctrine to provide cover with them for the machine gunner normally firing rifle caliber or above but same role for the squad marksman just not the same volume of fire. Both assault rifle and marksman rifles will attempt to make hits on opportunity targets.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            When that doctrine actually goes up against a real army, then we can say whether or not it's good.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        PDWs fire pistol rounds, too. Also, the 5.7 is basically a rifle cartridge.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It fires a pistol round.

      Intermediate is a relative description, and therefore is incapable of being used for definite purpose (ie. for definition). 5.56x45mm is a centerfire pistol caliber.

      To be a rifle, a gun must use cartridges suitable for general purposes. The easy yard stick for this is to check if the cartridge is used in any general purpose machineguns while still being able to achieve practically useful accuracy from a rifle. If those two things are true then there's probably no need to check each purpose individually.

      5.56 (and 5.45, x39, 7.92 kurz etc) is not suitable for general purposes. It has grossly insufficient external and terminal ballistics for use beyond collective self-defence ranges, against even lightly protected targets or when prompt lethality is required. It shares these properties with pistol cartridges fired from submachineguns, which also have the same scope of usefulness (assault, collective self defence against assault).

      There is no such thing as an intermediate cartridge. Anything with a narrower potential scope for employment than a full-power catridge is a pistol cartridge.

      The M4 is a submachinegun.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gr8 b8 m8

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is for women

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pistol calibers in general are for women.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    In your own words explain why as opposed to an assault rifle?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its most effective use is for suppressing fire for a marksman armed with a real rifle chambered in a real rifle caliber.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >controversial
    The predecessor CAR15 were designated SMGs in the supply and ordering documentation.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's because AR-15's were new technology and they had never heard the term "assault rifle" before

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >most radical
        exciting! tingling sensations even!

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          id had neva been dun befo

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is simply a rifle I'd say

    The M1 is a rifle the M4 is a rifle

    Even a semi auto 22LR is a rifle

    It's a long gun, not a sub machine gun

    But some of those 22LR ARs look like SMGs not gonna lie

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >i get my gun knowledge from vidya
    post your AR OP

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Fifth of November, 2023

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Welcome to America, Janusz.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >including the doxable 9character zip code
        lol

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you base your opinion on?

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone should own a gun in .40sw since it survives panic buying better than most other calibers

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      And if you've got a .40 you may as well have a 357 SIG barrel for it. You're going to find one of them.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    $20-$30 Amazon red dots are good enough for the vast majority of shooters

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      On a .22 or 5.56 AR sure, but recoil kills them.

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