PDWs fire proprietary rounds generally designed for them from the beginning. It's part of the definition. The M1/M2 Carbine would be a proto PDW with all the retroactive technicalities in the world of guns.
Just because the P90 fires a proprietary cartridge doesn't mean PDWs do.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Personal defense weapons are a class of compact, magazine-fed, submachine gun-like firearms designed to fire rifle cartridges. Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity centerfire bottleneck cartridge resembling a scaled-down intermediate rifle cartridge, essentially making them an "in-between" hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine
In the beginning that's what they were, proprietary shit meant to pen soviet helmets, since the definition has been expanded. But every short SMG or AR is not a PDW.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>designed to fire rifle cartridges >no mention of proprietary
Thanks for helping my argument against you, I guess.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity centerfire bottleneck cartridge resembling a scaled-down intermediate rifle cartridge, essentially making them an "in-between" hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine
Illiteracy is rad
>SMGs fire pistol rounds >therefore everything that fires pistol rounds is an SMG
just because all squares are rectangles does not mean all rectangles are squares
Its most effective use is for suppressing fire for a marksman armed with a real rifle chambered in a real rifle caliber.
It's an assault rifle because it's an autoloader that fires an intermediate chambering.
Your most effective use isn't correct. It is doctrine to provide cover with them for the machine gunner normally firing rifle caliber or above but same role for the squad marksman just not the same volume of fire. Both assault rifle and marksman rifles will attempt to make hits on opportunity targets.
Intermediate is a relative description, and therefore is incapable of being used for definite purpose (ie. for definition). 5.56x45mm is a centerfire pistol caliber.
To be a rifle, a gun must use cartridges suitable for general purposes. The easy yard stick for this is to check if the cartridge is used in any general purpose machineguns while still being able to achieve practically useful accuracy from a rifle. If those two things are true then there's probably no need to check each purpose individually.
5.56 (and 5.45, x39, 7.92 kurz etc) is not suitable for general purposes. It has grossly insufficient external and terminal ballistics for use beyond collective self-defence ranges, against even lightly protected targets or when prompt lethality is required. It shares these properties with pistol cartridges fired from submachineguns, which also have the same scope of usefulness (assault, collective self defence against assault).
There is no such thing as an intermediate cartridge. Anything with a narrower potential scope for employment than a full-power catridge is a pistol cartridge.
Not controversial at all since it fires an intermediate round and not a pistol round.
It is because SMGs fire pistol rounds
PDWs fire intermediate rounds
M4 is a PDW.
PDW doesn't fire intermediates
The only thing that's considered a PDW that doesn't is the P90 and that is an SMG
PDWs fire proprietary rounds generally designed for them from the beginning. It's part of the definition. The M1/M2 Carbine would be a proto PDW with all the retroactive technicalities in the world of guns.
Just because the P90 fires a proprietary cartridge doesn't mean PDWs do.
>Personal defense weapons are a class of compact, magazine-fed, submachine gun-like firearms designed to fire rifle cartridges. Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity centerfire bottleneck cartridge resembling a scaled-down intermediate rifle cartridge, essentially making them an "in-between" hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine
In the beginning that's what they were, proprietary shit meant to pen soviet helmets, since the definition has been expanded. But every short SMG or AR is not a PDW.
>designed to fire rifle cartridges
>no mention of proprietary
Thanks for helping my argument against you, I guess.
>Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity centerfire bottleneck cartridge resembling a scaled-down intermediate rifle cartridge, essentially making them an "in-between" hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine
Illiteracy is rad
>SMGs fire pistol rounds
so an M9 is an SMG?
>SMGs fire pistol rounds
>therefore everything that fires pistol rounds is an SMG
just because all squares are rectangles does not mean all rectangles are squares
If it's fully auto and has a stock arguably yeah
It's an assault rifle because it's an autoloader that fires an intermediate chambering.
Your most effective use isn't correct. It is doctrine to provide cover with them for the machine gunner normally firing rifle caliber or above but same role for the squad marksman just not the same volume of fire. Both assault rifle and marksman rifles will attempt to make hits on opportunity targets.
When that doctrine actually goes up against a real army, then we can say whether or not it's good.
PDWs fire pistol rounds, too. Also, the 5.7 is basically a rifle cartridge.
It fires a pistol round.
Intermediate is a relative description, and therefore is incapable of being used for definite purpose (ie. for definition). 5.56x45mm is a centerfire pistol caliber.
To be a rifle, a gun must use cartridges suitable for general purposes. The easy yard stick for this is to check if the cartridge is used in any general purpose machineguns while still being able to achieve practically useful accuracy from a rifle. If those two things are true then there's probably no need to check each purpose individually.
5.56 (and 5.45, x39, 7.92 kurz etc) is not suitable for general purposes. It has grossly insufficient external and terminal ballistics for use beyond collective self-defence ranges, against even lightly protected targets or when prompt lethality is required. It shares these properties with pistol cartridges fired from submachineguns, which also have the same scope of usefulness (assault, collective self defence against assault).
There is no such thing as an intermediate cartridge. Anything with a narrower potential scope for employment than a full-power catridge is a pistol cartridge.
The M4 is a submachinegun.
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Pistol calibers in general are for women.
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In your own words explain why as opposed to an assault rifle?
Its most effective use is for suppressing fire for a marksman armed with a real rifle chambered in a real rifle caliber.
>controversial
The predecessor CAR15 were designated SMGs in the supply and ordering documentation.
That's because AR-15's were new technology and they had never heard the term "assault rifle" before
>most radical
exciting! tingling sensations even!
id had neva been dun befo
It is simply a rifle I'd say
The M1 is a rifle the M4 is a rifle
Even a semi auto 22LR is a rifle
It's a long gun, not a sub machine gun
But some of those 22LR ARs look like SMGs not gonna lie
>i get my gun knowledge from vidya
post your AR OP
>Fifth of November, 2023
Welcome to America, Janusz.
>including the doxable 9character zip code
lol
What do you base your opinion on?
Everyone should own a gun in .40sw since it survives panic buying better than most other calibers
And if you've got a .40 you may as well have a 357 SIG barrel for it. You're going to find one of them.
$20-$30 Amazon red dots are good enough for the vast majority of shooters
On a .22 or 5.56 AR sure, but recoil kills them.