extremely brutal especially King Phillips War, some of the shit that went down during the war of independence (like the massacre of Moravian pacifist indians and the reprisals from their British backed non-christian tribemates), The Seminole War and the Apache Wars.
I can't really think of an indian war where at least some women and children didn't get brutally killed by one side or the other.
they got genocided very well since they only have tiny parcels of land and number a few million (most of which are whiter than the average /misc/gay)
Head wound and he's just like "aw shit, my haircut. god dammit frickin injuns."
and then he points his weird mutant flipper hand at his head implying 'fml' because the senior NCO will make him get a crappy frontier haircut after the battle back at their logfort.
>American Indian Wars
Way too broad of a question. Both Danial boon and Frederick Burnham have good accounts for the beginning and end of the united states Indian wars
>How "brutal" was it?
Depends on when and where we're talking.
The fighting was generally a lot worse before the civil war when there were more Indians and muskets were the primary weapon. In the East during the 18th and early 19th centuries, a lot of the fighting was state militias and their Indian allies vs other Indians. The 5 Civilized Tribes were some of the most powerful tribes around in those days, but they fought too well to be driven out in the early days and started playing ball and joining civilization later on. Those guys really didn't deserve the Trail of Tears, but at the same time the Trail of Tears wasn't really as bad as it gets memed to be.
At the same time, the Apache were a huge problem for the Spaniards until the Comanche started genociding them. This allowed the Spaniards to breathe easy for a little while, but at some point the Apache offered a truce and then tricked them into fighting the Comanche. From then on, they plagued the Spaniards, Mexicans, Texians, CSA, and USA until they basically ran out of steam in the late 1860/early 1870s.
After the Civil War, it was basically a done deal for the Indians. All the really powerful tribes had been put down and all that was left were the pussy Northern Plains tribes and some Apache holdouts who had never really recovered from their wars with Comanche. Also, Custer did absolutely nothing wrong. A man is naturally going to expect pussy behavior from enemies who had always acted like pussies in the past.
What makes the Trail of Tears unique is that the Cherokee had their own farms, plantations, slaves, buck breaking machines, constitution, democratic form of government and pretty much wholesale adoption of european customs down to dress. So their removal was entirely about stealing their shit without any pretense of civilizing the land like dealing with other less settled tribes.
Also its pretty funny that the US government (after the Cherokee fought for the CSA) made them accept their slaves as being tribal members but under the Dawes act when tribes could choose their own members they yeeted the black Cherokee out of the tribe..
Cherokee got a raw deal, but the Creek totally deserved it.
If you want to read some crazy shit the iroquois confederacy (especially the mohawks) were the biggest shitters on the east coast, practiced cannibalism, ritual torture, slavery, genocide, and could never be trusted to uphold a bargin.
Most of it was due to the gold rush on their territory in Georgia. They initially turned to the Supreme Court, who ruled against them at first and then for them a bit later. Jackson didn't really care about the court rulings though and just sent them West anyways. In NC, some of the Cherokee bought a big chunk of land called the Qualla Boundary and stayed home, but most of them got kicked out too.
I generally like Jackson as a president, but the Indian removal was objectively a bad thing. The Cherokee were a big force for modernization in the Southern Appalachians and I think we'd be a lot further along had they stayed. Local entrepreneurs were starting to industrialize here during the 1830s-1840s, but none of the lowland Southerners were very interested in industrialization so it all just fell by the wayside. Had the Cherokee been here in full force, they could have provided the capital and political power to get things rolling.
The American Indian War had the highest public support of any american war.
Many tribes lived on raiding. Raiding, stealing horses, robbing travellers.
They captured women as sex slaves and bartered and traded them.
The typical raid involved ambushing farmers when the man and his sons went out at close to dawn to feed the animals and tend to the land. Lying in wait to ambush them with a force that greatly outnumbered them.
Murdering them in the field, then closing on the house. In the house they captured or killed the women, and murdered most babies by bashing thier skulls on something hard. Women were valuable, but babies were mouths to feed.
They then did genital mutilation to most killed farm animals, it was how they showed hatred, and set the place on fire.
Neighbors would respond to the fire, or if shots were heard, then find the scene. Unless they were remote enough and nobody found it for some time.
This was the common raid, seen innumerable times on the frontier.
Natives rarely attacked towns because a call would go out and all men would retrieve weapons, often meeting at the fortified church for a last stand if needed. So natuves learned to attack farms and those traveling.
There was bad white men too, and hunters that violated treaties and hunted on native lands, but most of the natives lived lives of outlaws, thieves, and bandits as a culture. And had been doing so to eachother before euros arrived.
It is no wonder the population encouraged and begged the US military to do something about them.
The modern story is one invented after the civil rights movement to empower all minorities and create sympathy from the majority.
>How "brutal" was it?
Are you serious? It was a fricking genocide you illiterate frick. Of course it was brutal
>It was a fricking genocide you illiterate frick
lmao no it wasn't, please don't get your education from reddit or the "experts"
Explain how it wasn't?
There is an argument to be made it wasn't but most people on /k/ are too stupid to make it.
>explain how it wasn't
They didn't get genocided very well.
It was the most successful in history, if judging by remaining population. Success is not a criteria either.
extremely brutal especially King Phillips War, some of the shit that went down during the war of independence (like the massacre of Moravian pacifist indians and the reprisals from their British backed non-christian tribemates), The Seminole War and the Apache Wars.
I can't really think of an indian war where at least some women and children didn't get brutally killed by one side or the other.
they got genocided very well since they only have tiny parcels of land and number a few million (most of which are whiter than the average /misc/gay)
Yeah, the Lakota tried genociding the Pawnee.
Cool, but not really referring to the war in OP's pic, this is an image board not reddit moron.
Which American Indian Wars? The ones in your pic, or the tens of thousands of years of American Indian Wars that preceded them?
all of em
The Mexican-Indian wars you don't really hear much about.
The Seminole Wars were the longest, most expensive, and most deadly of all American Indian Wars.
wtf is this guy doing?
Head wound and he's just like "aw shit, my haircut. god dammit frickin injuns."
and then he points his weird mutant flipper hand at his head implying 'fml' because the senior NCO will make him get a crappy frontier haircut after the battle back at their logfort.
They were weird and quite different from mist other wars, owing to how often disjointed they were and the enormous distances involved
>American Indian Wars
Way too broad of a question. Both Danial boon and Frederick Burnham have good accounts for the beginning and end of the united states Indian wars
Did Indians use handguns?
>How "brutal" was it?
Depends on when and where we're talking.
The fighting was generally a lot worse before the civil war when there were more Indians and muskets were the primary weapon. In the East during the 18th and early 19th centuries, a lot of the fighting was state militias and their Indian allies vs other Indians. The 5 Civilized Tribes were some of the most powerful tribes around in those days, but they fought too well to be driven out in the early days and started playing ball and joining civilization later on. Those guys really didn't deserve the Trail of Tears, but at the same time the Trail of Tears wasn't really as bad as it gets memed to be.
At the same time, the Apache were a huge problem for the Spaniards until the Comanche started genociding them. This allowed the Spaniards to breathe easy for a little while, but at some point the Apache offered a truce and then tricked them into fighting the Comanche. From then on, they plagued the Spaniards, Mexicans, Texians, CSA, and USA until they basically ran out of steam in the late 1860/early 1870s.
After the Civil War, it was basically a done deal for the Indians. All the really powerful tribes had been put down and all that was left were the pussy Northern Plains tribes and some Apache holdouts who had never really recovered from their wars with Comanche. Also, Custer did absolutely nothing wrong. A man is naturally going to expect pussy behavior from enemies who had always acted like pussies in the past.
What makes the Trail of Tears unique is that the Cherokee had their own farms, plantations, slaves, buck breaking machines, constitution, democratic form of government and pretty much wholesale adoption of european customs down to dress. So their removal was entirely about stealing their shit without any pretense of civilizing the land like dealing with other less settled tribes.
Also its pretty funny that the US government (after the Cherokee fought for the CSA) made them accept their slaves as being tribal members but under the Dawes act when tribes could choose their own members they yeeted the black Cherokee out of the tribe..
Cherokee got a raw deal, but the Creek totally deserved it.
If you want to read some crazy shit the iroquois confederacy (especially the mohawks) were the biggest shitters on the east coast, practiced cannibalism, ritual torture, slavery, genocide, and could never be trusted to uphold a bargin.
Most of it was due to the gold rush on their territory in Georgia. They initially turned to the Supreme Court, who ruled against them at first and then for them a bit later. Jackson didn't really care about the court rulings though and just sent them West anyways. In NC, some of the Cherokee bought a big chunk of land called the Qualla Boundary and stayed home, but most of them got kicked out too.
I generally like Jackson as a president, but the Indian removal was objectively a bad thing. The Cherokee were a big force for modernization in the Southern Appalachians and I think we'd be a lot further along had they stayed. Local entrepreneurs were starting to industrialize here during the 1830s-1840s, but none of the lowland Southerners were very interested in industrialization so it all just fell by the wayside. Had the Cherokee been here in full force, they could have provided the capital and political power to get things rolling.
The American Indian War had the highest public support of any american war.
Many tribes lived on raiding. Raiding, stealing horses, robbing travellers.
They captured women as sex slaves and bartered and traded them.
The typical raid involved ambushing farmers when the man and his sons went out at close to dawn to feed the animals and tend to the land. Lying in wait to ambush them with a force that greatly outnumbered them.
Murdering them in the field, then closing on the house. In the house they captured or killed the women, and murdered most babies by bashing thier skulls on something hard. Women were valuable, but babies were mouths to feed.
They then did genital mutilation to most killed farm animals, it was how they showed hatred, and set the place on fire.
Neighbors would respond to the fire, or if shots were heard, then find the scene. Unless they were remote enough and nobody found it for some time.
This was the common raid, seen innumerable times on the frontier.
Natives rarely attacked towns because a call would go out and all men would retrieve weapons, often meeting at the fortified church for a last stand if needed. So natuves learned to attack farms and those traveling.
There was bad white men too, and hunters that violated treaties and hunted on native lands, but most of the natives lived lives of outlaws, thieves, and bandits as a culture. And had been doing so to eachother before euros arrived.
It is no wonder the population encouraged and begged the US military to do something about them.
The modern story is one invented after the civil rights movement to empower all minorities and create sympathy from the majority.