it's interesting how north korean military made a huge leap forward in single year.
it's interesting how north korean military made a huge leap forward in single year.
it's interesting how north korean military made a huge leap forward in single year.
I wouldn't say they made a huge leap
They just seem much better than a certain peer after it thoroughly embarrassed itself
Though that makes me wonder if they're paying attention and will try and reformat their army along the lines of the side that is causing said humiliation
>North Korea seems better than South Korea
Only a CCP poster would say that. North Korea's best plane is the original Mig-29 and they only have 35 of them. Most of North Korea's tanks are Chonma Jo's (upgraded T-62's). Their navy is effectively useless.
I’d be dope if NK tried to invade China and take some extra territory. In my head that’s why they have been building up and modernizing their army so much.
your head is a fricking moron
any war involving the norks will be to march south and start the Second Korean War, which will probably happen when China goes for Taiwan
Mate that would be the third.
They don't have a quarter of what they'd need for it. Their entire army would be lying in an unmarked grave by the end of the week.
>China gets btfo trying to invade Taiwan, loses their navy and millions of soldiers in the strait
>China falls into a period of unrest as the government struggles to maintain legitimacy
>NK takes advantage of the situation and takes swaths of territory north of the Yalu river to do their form of lebensraum.
I was right about Russia invading Ukraine at the end of February when everybody else thought it wasn’t going to happen so I’ll be right about this too.
Literally every normal person knew it was going to happen. You're not special.
Wouldn't that basically force NK to realign itself with the west? I could see them trying to seize assets to unfrick their economy and then beg America for forgiveness if they help them on a slow path of reintegration with SK in return for not getting Nuremberg'd
Stupid fricking moron edumacate yourself before you embarass yourself again
>the norks are totally going to move north and try to annex land from the colossal nuclear armed land power because they lost a naval war against the US
>instead of working with that land power to push the US into the sea
If China fought the US, China would cease to exist, there'd be no "working with them"
you're showing your underage with that, zoom zoom
the US is not actually this unstoppable divine army, its a dysfunctional mess that only holds prestige from their shiny toys brought about by their infinite budget
because of that, for the bugmen to be wiped off map, they would need to resort to nuclear weapons, and those would not be permitted under any circumstance save the chinks using them first
in a conventional war, the US would obliterate the chinese navy, but would possess no ability to touch the mainland with anything more than pyrrhic drivebys, the chinese actually learned some lessons over the years and have invested massively into air defense specifically because they know damn well they're destined to fight the US
>US Army
Would barely factor anon, this is a Navy and Air Force fight with side appearances by the Army and especially Marines. We have no need to invade China proper, because our strategic goals dont involve China proper. Our goals involve freedom of navigation in the South and East China seas and Taiwan.
and that statement ruins your previous "china would cease to exist" mutt masturbation
they'd win on the seas, but would be restricted to the seas, while korea, if included, is a land war the US will have a very hard time fighting if they can at all
>United States is not this unstoppable divine a-ACK
Post your gun shill.
who's the current ruling government of afghanistan?
so what you're implying is that your country will get curbstomped by the US for 20 years, the ones who survive will hide in the mountains during that time and take over when the US eventually get bored and leaves?
>w-we didn't lose
>w-we just got bored after dumping trillions into a hole
>the puppet we propped up for 20 years that instantly collapsed was just a joke we were making
>WE DIDN'T LOSE AGAINST THE RICE FARMERS EITHER REEE
Eh, should have pulled out the second we merc'd Bin Laden. Everything after that was a waste.
the same bin ladin that was sitting cozy with the pakis with saudi armed and funded warriors that you guys cucked for and did nothing about?
We should have never invaded. When taliban refused to turn in bin laden, just nuke Kabul and call it a day.
Pushed them all the way back to their capital and forced them to sign a peace treaty that they broke after the majority of our forces had pulled out. Thank you for reminding everyone that communists cannot be trusted and do not keep their promises. Whether they be to end hostilities, our provide food and wealth for their subjects. They have no souls, and deserve nothing but eradication.
>Post gun
>*Attempt at deflection*
Every time.
>shit on the floor like a child
>smugly try to demand 1RM as if it makes you any less of one
You don't fricking deserve the dignity of seeing my guns you triple Black person
invade the island chang
this is how you get a nuclear war btw
didn't say it wouldn't be a catastrophic failure for them, just that they wouldn't be moving into fricking china
They would have an easier time with the strip of Russian land right next to them
But that strip of land is Chinese...
Russia and NK have 10 miles of shared border to the north
as far as Im concerned it's just a body kit until proven otherwise.
They’re obviously body kits. The giveaway are the dumb holes cut out for the smoke launchers.
anyone else a little sad we don't have actually scary bad guys?
China
no.
no anon.
no.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, it seems.
For not being scared of China, you guys sure are curiously obsessed about everything they do.
it's not because they are scary.
it's because they are moronic and have overrated militaries.
their only cope is
>oh GOD..im gonna.. im gonna NOOK
OHH GOOODDDDDDDDDDD IM NOOOOOOOOOOKIINGGGG
>scary
We sent our most Based politician to Taiwan on a 200$ delta flight and they spent tens of millions in logistics to saber rattle. Not much to be scared of
Meh, I'd say they're heaps more competent then Russia, and would actually have the fanaticism to swarm like literal bugs the moment their equipment inevitably breaks down.
>they're heaps more competent then Russia, and would actually have the fanaticism to swarm like literal bugs the moment their equipment inevitably breaks down.
They're about as incompetent, somehow even more corrupt and there's no fanaticism for china itself,just a mask for good boy points. That's why china is so sensitive about food 1 month of a real food shortage and the regime is dead.
Exactly, at least the higherups in Russia know doctrine
They don't have a navy worth anything and a blockade would ruin them
They are unironically the only true near peer worthy of any concern. Fear is the wrong word, but only a fool would fail to realize that they are far closer to reaching parity than any of us should be comfortable with.
What a weird psyop
when no one is close, “30 years behind” is close enough to be considered near-peer.
China is not a competitive power in miltary terms, but China is dangerous because
>they own enormous amount of US debt and US credit
>they own a huge chunk of the corporate and academic world
>they own a huge chunk of the mining and electronics industry of the whole planet
>they own a huge chunk of the big tech industry worldwide
>they have agents, sympathizers and assets in every echelon of society and politics everywhere including the US
>they have the express intent to overtake and subjugate the US
>they are insects devoid of mercy and decency with a bone to pick with the whole world after centuries of rape and humilliation on top of actual communism
It's like israelites but worse.
They also own an unbelievably immense amount of the grain storage on the planet which would trigger mass famine if held back in the middle east, africa and europe
>They also own an unbelievably immense amount of the grain storage on the planet which would trigger mass famine if held back in the middle east, africa and europe
Those grain storages are what China bought from other countries. Their effect on global hunger is basically buying up grain and energy resources that otherwise would be sold to other countries.
Grain stores have been mysteriously catching fire in china lately. Speculated that a lot of it has been corruption'd.
>>they own enormous amount of US debt and US credit
this is actually less true than you'd think. They sold off most of their US debt a while back, and the majority of american debt was always owed to americans, not to foreigners
I think a single can of bug spray will solve the problem.
And we own practically every food source exported to them.
>they own enormous amount of US debt and US credit
FALSE
>they own a huge chunk of the corporate and academic world
FALSE
>they own a huge chunk of the mining and electronics industry of the whole planet
FALSE
>they own a huge chunk of the big tech industry worldwide
FALSE
>they have agents, sympathizers and assets in every echelon of society and politics everywhere including the US
FALSE
>they have the express intent to overtake and subjugate the US
FALSE
>they are insects devoid of mercy and decency with a bone to pick with the whole world after centuries of rape and humilliation on top of actual communism
FALSE
VERDICT:
op is a turbo Black person
Cope harder
china lost
China is a paper tiger.
The only real power they have in that list is the ownership of a significant amount of US debt. Them using it and trying to collect would be, however, a very poor decision, as it would trigger a major economic recession worldwide, including within China. It's China's version of a nuke, with it taking everyone and everything down indiscriminately.
Every other "advantage" they have can be found elsewhere in the world or is fluky at best.
You are right in comparing them to the israelites tho.
>ownership of us debt
Lmao, tell me you don’t understand economics without explicitly saying so.
>Their demographics are completely fricked because of their idiotic 1 child policy.
you missed one.
>scary
What if we are the bad guys?
Then i don't wanna be right
You won't ever do shit chang
>Then i don't wanna be right
You sure ain't
America
Keep seething and God bless America
Anti America gays are the big gay, but the fact does remain that the big scary bad guys are all around us, the fact that they've subverted so much of the most powerful nation to have ever existed with the most dominant military in history is what makes them such a big threat.
>be accused of being a force for evil
>handwave it with an insult and a propaganda line
You people embarass your ancestors every time you open your mouths.
>you people
lmao a non-American thinking his butthurt about the greatest country on Earth matters
Yup, globohomosexual is terrifying
The feds
The global cosmopolitan elites
its genuinely impressive how they get some gay to call their cardboard mock up tank a "gen 4 tank" on wikipedia.
Probably a body kit for a T62
Didn't someone count the roadwheels and say it looked more like a Leopard 1 chassis? Maybe they got some scrapped Leopards and stuck bodykits on them.
My best guess since first time seeing this, they made some sort of deal with Iran and it's some sort of small batch of unused/unseen Zulfiqar 3
> rivets in upper glacies
> smoke launchers recessed *inside* mantlet
> no visible CVS
> recessed co-ax machine gun port?
> extended skirts to hide the tracks of whatever soviet tank the shell is strapped to
> sub-centimeter armor skirts
> bead weld on armor above tracks showing similar thickness
> also absolutely no commander/gunner vision systems
> smoke launcher ripped off Abrams, left empty.
I'm saying that it's the same 1:1 tank, even fricking Iranians couldn't collect 3 same tanks for their parade.
> rivets in upper glacies
likely ERA
>smoke launchers recessed *inside* mantlet
The mutts seemed to have copied the norks on this with MPF. I don't know why there is cutouts in the turret armour in both tanks. Though for the Type 2020 it's probably because the smoke grenades are attached to a Songun-ho turret underneath
>no visible CVS
what is that? Commanders Vision systems? There is cleary stuff on their that *could* be sighting equipment
>recessed co-ax machine gun port?
This is what convinces me the turret is based on a Songun-Ho. It has the exact same feature
> extended skirts to hide the tracks of whatever soviet tank the shell is strapped to
Well this thing has 7 small road wheels
T-62 and Chonma-ho which is the local variants has 5 large roadwheels
Songun-ho which is their first domestic design has 6 small roadwheels. So the Type 2020 is likely a stretched Songun-ho, possibly to fit a more powerful engine
>likely ERA
picrel, definitely rivets.
>seemed to have copied the norks
looks like that's some standoff armor in front of the main turret, at least from the shape, so not as big a failing.
>There is cleary stuff on their that *could* be sighting equipment
yes, there's almost certainly some vision, but its almost certainly lacking anything post-60's tech.
also in picrel, it looks like 7 road wheels. and additional photos show more holes on the sides of the turrets for more launchers.
I little cousins smart phone has thermal vision, i don't see hwy they cant get the same shit from China
>smoke launcher ripped off Abrams
It's from a Chieftain
Did they reinvent or otherwise discover the secret to chobham armor?
So when will they finally kill worst korea?
They didn't. They made a pretty big leap in three decades, you don't follow North Korea so you just aren't really aware of any of the dozens of incremental steps along the way to modernization. They're still not up to snuff of a Western military but they've made up a lot of the gap they lost in the years between 1991 and 2015.
Are there any good resources to read more on that?
On a very basic level, just an overview of things like North Korean tank and artillery programs over the last 40 years as they progressed from just assembling T-62 kits they purchased from the USSR to making their own modernization packages, to eventually redesigning the hull, engine, and turret, to now seemingly making their own design; this is true of large parts of their industry and not just tank design, but it shows how countries which want to close a gap need to go about it. You start with reverse-engineering foreign designs in order to get the technical know-how and then you use the knowledge to make incremental improvements to your skill. China did the same thing and so did Japan during the Meiji period.
In terms of what I mean by a gap that was lost by the Norks in that period, we have to keep in mind not to project the status quo in East Asia back infinitely in history. South Korea and China are both *newly* industrialized countries. While, by the end of the Cold War, the East Asian economic boom had *begun* and North Korea was starting to lag behind its Southern counterpart, the gap was nowhere near what it is today. Prior to the collapse of the USSR, North Korea was much wealthier than it is today and South Korea was much poorer than it is today. Moreover, the vast majority of Western military investment was in Europe, facing the Soviet Union, South Korea and Japan were only just starting to deploy MBT's comparable to the Abrams. So, while North Korea's fleet of T-62's and other assorted mid-Soviet weapons were woefully outdated as a whole, in the 1980's, North Korea could still claim, without boasting, that it had one of the more modern militaries in the region. After the USSR collapsed though, North Korea lost everything, the USSR was its primary source of economic development, technology, and military supplies, and with the new Russian government not wanting to get too tangled up with them, and China having some vendetta against North Korea (North Korea had sided with the USSR in the Sino-Soviet split), the North Koreans had to begin doing things domestically.
I really don't see how NK can create a homegrown weapons industry that fields even 1990s level of equipment. Manufacturing is unironically really hard and they have noone to help them. South Korea on the other hand can field modern equipment and has the industry to do so. NK could maybe get chink weapons platforms but it would not really help them.
Whether you believe or not doesn't change that North Korea is a domestic producer of homegrown tank, artillery, and even submarine designs.
When all your population manufactures is food, houses and weapons, they should eventually get good at it.
Something to be said about having none of your population wasting time on things that only mater to comfort.
A huge leap in carbon emissions. They need sanctions and taxations!
>those cutouts in the turret for the smoke launchers.
>that frickhuge 90° lower glacis
Doesn't look like it would stop 9mm its so fake lmao. Also, what's the thing thats on the right side of the turret? Is that supposed to be some sort of missile launcher?
Not the prettiest looking T-55 variant
Ah, going for the GDI aesthetic. Can't wait to see their Orca fleet.
>Implying that's a real tank and not just a T-55 in a bodykit
lol. lmao even
GREAT REAP FORWARD
>Make tank that looks exactly like your enemy's
What could possibly go wrong?
what's up with the desert camo though. norks are trying to hard to imitate the u.s
>norks are trying to hard to imitate the u.s
They indeed are. North Korea is tsundere for the United States.
Oh no, you gave the internet shipping ideas, lol. North Korea/America.
>"Notice my mighty force, evil Capitalist! Notice me!"
Looks like China's investment paid off.
Joint South Korea and Taiwan invasion when?
Looks like an Abrams body kit for T62
the cutouts for the grenade launchers look very off. I’m admittedly talking out of my ass and I can’t think of any other tank that was organically designed (not an upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade)to contain cutouts like that. That to me makes it seem likely a body kit of sorts
yeah, i think most grenade launchers would be flush with the armor. The fact that it’s recessed definitely gives credibility to it being a weird armor add on to a tank turret
Since this is the designated DPRK thread let’s discuss little-discussed nork equipment and operations. The whole story of the 1996 submarine incident is fricking insane and I’m shocked there hasn’t been a movie made about it yet. From the 60s-early 2000s North Korea was surprisingly active with espionage and infiltration, but with the loss of Soviet backing it seems like they’ve fully acknowledged that they can’t keep up conventionally and have shifted all of their effort to strategic deterrence, which is a little disappointing because we won’t see crazy stuff like this again
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Gangneung_submarine_infiltration_incident
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Gangneung_submarine_infiltration_incident
Did the norks execute their own sub crew after it ran aground?
>Korean cab driver driving along the shore spots the silhouette of the submarine in the surf and strange men on the beach, calls police
>police and coast guard find the abandoned submarine and footprints on the beach an hour later, immediately launch the largest manhunt in South Korean history
>within a few hours, an army patrol on a nearby mountain top finds bodies in plain clothes lined up neatly on the ground with single gunshot wounds to the head
By various accounts the crew were either executed by the RGB infiltration team, partially for their failure in running the submarine aground and partially because they didn’t have the skills to make the overland escape back to North Korea, or they committed suicide for the same reason
>Nestlé Crunch chocolate bars were also recovered.
They stole my chocolate rations 🙁
Big Kim was the only world leader who stayed loyal to trump.
>NK should invade Chinese territory :^)
>Literally go up against the most heavily fortified military region in China thats on permanent readiness to watch BOTH the Americans in SK and their insane neighbor.
>huge leap forward
It's cardboard anon
NO ONE CAN STOP THE JUCHE IDEAL!
>canada or aus flag
every single time
we'll bomb your family diaspora
good lord, imagine seething so hard you go full redditor
looks like they imported a lot of cheap chinese cardboard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K239_Chunmoo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyunmoo-3
and ATACMS
The moment a war starts, a barrage of GPS missiles is going to destroy every major bridge, bunker, ammo depot, runway, armored hangar and artillery site in the North.
If South Korea ever get a decent missile/ artillery shell interception system in place then North Korea will effectively be powerless to threaten the south.
It's literally a Songun-Ho with a boddykit
Every single one of these military parade-running shitholes are ridiculously corrupt and therefore can’t actually have a real military. Everything with them is image and fakery. It used to be a question about how much these places can actually do militarily. But then Russia tried to invade Ukraine — and it turned out that corruption actually means you can’t have a strong military. They are literally struggling with the poorest and weakest country in Europe.
It’s over for these Eastern shitholes. No one will take them seriously again.
These are T55's with a hard plastic kit
Those T55 cardboard bodykits surely do look good.
It's probably just a T-62 in a modern-looking shell.
>north korean military
time that shit was wiped out and all along with fatty mcfatfrick.
It wasn't a year it was about 5 years. Their factories got updated virtuous they started making things people would pay actual cash monies for. The pay rates are a cup of rice a day for labor and labor is not terrible quality, China is tapped out. The old scams got bypassed due demand, NK isn't being systematically duped on trade.