The average amerikang makes twice as much as the lowly kraut. Just because the poors cant get it doesn’t mean the large boomer and xoomer population cant
source? i refuse to believe they would list it at anything above 1500.
They haven't announced the official price. PSA said they would honor the price for HMG pre-orders and that the MSRP would be "higher" for everyone else.
Why can't they just make another STG44, without fricking with it? RIFLE IS FINE.
Rechambering to 7.62 ×39 or x54 would be acceptable.
It will be in 5.56, 7.62x39, 300 BLACKED, and 8mm Kurz.
The 5.56 (and likely 300 blk) will take AR mags.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>300 BLACKED
You mean 300 chimpout, homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
tomato tomahto homo
Forgotten Weapons once did an episode on these types of replicas and why they fail. Apparently they're mostly doomed from the start because:
1. No one wants a crazy expensive replica, but to make them cheap, you have to buy a bunch of tooling and make a bunch of them . If you do that, you need a large market of customers to pay for it.
2. Replicas are pretty niche to begin with. They aren't really collectable like an original. They don't shoot as well as modern guns, etc.. You therefore end up with a hard time finding a gun that would be a popular enough to replicate on a large enough scale to meet point #1.
3. People want replicas to "pure" but if you do that, then you end up with weird ammo requirements, unfixed flaws, legal issues for things like machineguns, and an even smaller group of people willing to buy them, which feeds into the problems of point #1.
4. Magazines are, apparently, a b***h.
5. It can't be a gun that there is a lot of cheap ones floating around. It has to be rare or people will just buy originals.
You get the idea.
We know. We all know. But here's the thing moron: >1. No one wants a crazy expensive replica, but to make them cheap, you have to buy a bunch of tooling and make a bunch of them . If you do that, you need a large market of customers to pay for it.
PSA already committed to it when they bought HMG's tooling and unfinished parts. They likely got a great price because HMG was bankrupted by their subcontractors.
>2. Replicas are pretty niche to begin with. They aren't really collectable like an original. They don't shoot as well as modern guns, etc.. You therefore end up with a hard time finding a gun that would be a popular enough to replicate on a large enough scale to meet point #1.
PSA did their research, they're not idiots. They wouldn't spend multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars on a project as niche as a reproduction StG-44 if they didn't think it would sell.
>3. People want replicas to "pure" but if you do that, then you end up with weird ammo requirements, unfixed flaws, legal issues for things like machineguns, and an even smaller group of people willing to buy them, which feeds into the problems of point #1.
Which is why they're chambering them in 5.56, 7.62, 300 blk, and the original 8mm Kurz
>4. Magazines are, apparently, a b***h.
Correct, which is why they're making these take AR mags. I am curious what the 8mm Kurz option will be.
>5. It can't be a gun that there is a lot of cheap ones floating around. It has to be rare or people will just buy originals.
The originals are beyond unobtanium. This gun is a great example of a reproduction candidate.
11 months ago
Anonymous
nah
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just because they think it would sell doesn't mean it will. One company already went bankrupt, after all.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>will be in 5.56, 7.62x39, 300 BLACKED, and 8mm Kurz. >no 7.92
Still, too many other changes to the rifle. Even this "Mauser" made .22lr version is more honest. Why would I want an AR-15 in a costume?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You aren't wrong. I was curious as to why they want to turn these reproductions into a sort of platform to build other things on.
They confirmed parts won't be 100% compatible and they are going to make new parts like MLOK handguards and optic mounts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
God damn bolt flew out when I broke it down.
You aren't wrong. I was curious as to why they want to turn these reproductions into a sort of platform to build other things on.
They confirmed parts won't be 100% compatible and they are going to make new parts like MLOK handguards and optic mounts.
The H&K G series are already the descendants of the StG. Why call an octagon a wheel, when you already have an oval?
If I wanted an AK, and I couldn't get an AK, I'd get a Galil or Type 56, I wouldn't get a Mutant.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's what I mean. It would have been 100% more cool if they decided to make an HK-93 and derivatives.
Just because they think it would sell doesn't mean it will. One company already went bankrupt, after all.
PSA has a better funded R&D team than HMG could ever dream of.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If only they had a better funded QC team
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no 7.92
This is a joke right? I haven't slept in like 20 hours.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's 7.92 Kurz, and 7.92 Mauser, 7.92 Mauser is also "8mm" Mauser. There is no 8mm Kurz, so they either mean 7.9 Kurz or 8mm Mauser, and I reserve the right to be angry about the other not being included.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure people just call 7.92, 8mm
11 months ago
Anonymous
And people call .22lr as .22. Doesn't make it right.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It is right tho, no one assumes they mean .22 short
If it's anywhere near that then this thing is DOA. I'd possibly pay that if it managed to even look as authentic as the fricking GSG .22 STG, which it doesn't.
They said at this year's ShotShow it would be "north of $2000".
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/shot-show-2023-psa-battlefield-line-stg-44/#:~:text=They%20stated%20that%20the%20price,making%20this%20STG%20for%20PSA.
>Wahhhh why's it not like ARs where there's 6 million produced a year??!?!??
11 months ago
Anonymous
what the flying frick are you on about?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just another salty contrarian that has ARs living rent free in his mind.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just another salty contrarian that has ARs living rent free in his mind.
Poorgays like you can't comprehend R&D costs nor economy of scale
11 months ago
Anonymous
Post the most expensive gun you own. People are laughing at something this shitty and cheap looking costing over $2000 and its inherent doom.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Post
Can't for 6 hours and won't anyway.
I'm just saying the price tag shouldn't surprise anyone. >Aug >Tavor >Hellion >ACR (a over a decade ago)
All these sell for ~1500 and have/had at least the potential for military or police contracts. It shouldn't be any surprise that a brand new semi auto product without mass production is going to start above 2k at its release
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah okay buddy, see my post. The one chance this thing had at not being a complete failure was being affordable, instead it's in collector price range and it's nowhere near authentic enough to attract that demographic. It's a rifle that satisfies no one and people are laughing at it. Cry over it.
Feel free to call me poor again, I'll show you my pre-war auto loading pistol collection as a treat.
11 months ago
Anonymous
People buy plenty of toys for over 1.5k, 2k is no real problem. It's not the collectors minus those pissed that it looks off, it's mindless consumers plus those that think it looks close enough
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's mindless consumers plus those that think it looks close enough
You actually think there's a market for people who are only casually interested in crappy 80 year old rifles to the point they don't care about how off they look compared to the originals but are simultaneously interested enough in them to drop $2500 on one? This is like expecting a reproduction Bergman with an awful phosphate job and Glock internals to take off while sporting a $1,500 price tag.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You actually think there's a market for people who are only casually interested in crappy 80 year old rifles
You people are focusing way too much on collector's/casual historians/whatever else you wanna call them. It started with/for them but that's a drop in the bucket.
I believe people want the novelty enough that it'll sell as long as the QC's at least "fine," but this is PSA so far chance on that. And unlike their AKs I think this is too expensive to make it to a gen 3 >This is like expecting a reproduction Bergman with an awful phosphate job and Glock internals to take off while sporting a $1,500 price tag
That'd absolutely sell if the economy can keep it's current strength. You're underestimating mindless consumerism.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Historical, dated firearm tied to the second world War >People who are into history are drop in the bucket for its market
I can only assume you're a shareholder for PSA, because vested self-interest is the only explanation for coping this hard about a company's product performance >The economy can keep its current strength
I think I'm being trolled now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>>The economy can keep its current strength >I think I'm being trolled now.
Elaborate. Things have looked to be on the brink for 3 years now but it keeps chugging along. I also said "current strength" not "it's currently strong"
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You're underestimating mindless consumerism.
Do you have anything to base this assumption that "mindless consumerism" will come through for this particular gun on? So far the only examples of modern reproductions of historical guns that succeed are cheap 1911s and a stupidly expensive, autistically accurate FG-42 clone that costs in excess of $5000. Why is this in-between option going to succeed? "Mindless consumerism" is a stretch for something as expensive as this STG is looking to be.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You people are focusing way too much on collector's/casual historians/whatever else you wanna call them
Who exactly do you think is going to be buying an STG repro? 3 gunners?
11 months ago
Anonymous
People want something unique. The doubt you throw will unironically help it sell as people buy it "before it gets discontinued"
11 months ago
Anonymous
What are you basing your assumptions on?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>call others poors >can't even produce evidence of gun ownership
it's all so tiresome
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry Black person it's a slow day at work but I can't exactly leave. I don't circle jerk in generals by reposting shitty pics
11 months ago
Anonymous
>works on Sunday >apparently only has a flip phone because posting pics from a mobile isn't an option
yeah really doing a good job convincing everyone you're a high roller there ao
11 months ago
Anonymous
moron I'm stating I don't keep pictures of guns saved on my phone. >High roller
No. And I'm not going to be buying this gun, I'm just here saying its price is justified.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>slow day at work
It's fricking sunday during a long holiday weekend dude...
11 months ago
Anonymous
don't care, looks like airshit, gonna flop, plus you're brown
> it would be "north of $2000".
guess this is targeting exclusively at the demographic that has plenty of money to toss around and a weird casual-but-motivated-desire-to-get-WWII-guns-because-of-CoD-nostalgia...should move all of ten units.
Why doesnt someone just import these? It would still be cheaper than that dumb vaporware stg
They were imported in a small batch by ptr but it was a pain due to german and atf restrictions. Had to come in with custom thumbhole stock grips and then 922r here in the states. Ended up costing 5k each and didn't sell well at the time. Now they're 10-15k if you can find them
Ask the ATF, I'm sure there is a way with enough burning loops to jump through. I'll guess you need time and a lot more money then the rifle alone costs.
despite what shills say yes. It's shit at being an AR and it's shit at being a STG44. I understand the "reasons" why they made the choices they did but they should have recognized that doing so makes it a non starter
They never should have called it a STG44 replica. If they had sold it as what the Mini-14 is to the M1 Carbine then maybe
Also current gun market is just turbopoor neofudds who only care about "just as good" glock clones and mid tier AR configurations. Nobody likes guns anymore they just hate Black folk trying to rob them
it's becoming pretty obvious that guns as a hobby are sadly becoming relegated to antique militaria rather than a natural outgrowth of innate civic mentality be it sporting or martial. I guarantee if we lived in more stable times those same people would be promoting gun control. They only got into guns because they felt threatened by contemporary society. There's no passion or ethos involved
Plus lets be real normalgays are dumb as fricking shit. For as much as we shit on redguards who call every gun a "glock fotays" the average white gun owner isn't much better and pigs/zogbots are even worse
>STG-24
Should have started with the 'last ditch' configurations then went from there on the price point. As long as it's low batches it will be sustainable, FOMO and all that bullshit.
This has to be the dumbest take. Good thing you are not involved in nthe industry, a "mini-14" stg 44 would not even cover material costs much less break even or make a profit
This man hasn't even spent a dollar and it's already working
https://i.imgur.com/nsrTDlQ.jpg
it's already dead in the water isn't it?
It'll sell if the QC isn't turbo garbage because tons of people are BORED. Everything's boring in guns >UGLY MLOK RAIL >LOOK IT TAKES GLOCK/AR MAGS >PICATINNY RAILS
boring is practical but people are tired. It's pretty much why lelkek has a market share at all
>looks like a pidgin and quacks like a dog
this very novel duck really lacks a certain level of authenticity.
It makes you wonder why they call it a duck then get angry when you point out it’s very obtrusive non-duck features.
it's sunk cost fallacy. Also midwits are very easily pleased. These are the same
kind of morons that will claim that an Norinco SKS was "Hitler's Sniper Rifle" at a gun show because they bought it at asking price and someone carved SS runes into the stock
> It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
Except it doesn't, it has a marginal appearance to an STG-44 while also somehow looking like cheap airsoft. I'm not sure who this gun is even for. It's not anywhere near close enough to the real deal to appease history nerds and it's going to be way too costly and unwieldy for a casual gun owner.
>while also somehow looking like cheap airsoft
Seems to be a trend, check out their Type 56 spiker AK they've got in the works. Whoever is OKing this shit with that kind of wood and metal finishing needs to seriously be fired.
It'll cost between 2-3k like almost any new gun in the last few years, especially anything that's somewhat niche. They'll price it out of the range of the vast majority of people and it'll be relegated to uselessly adorn pages in gun magazines and guntuber channels.
economies of scale and gutting american manufacturing and companies destroying or selling off their tooling. ~~*Globalism*~~ is why you can't have nice guns anymore and globalism is why you won't have guns at all someday
>the trigger group is too complex to be replicated with modern technology
Nothing is too complex to machine today that has been machined before because everything today is vastly easier to machine including tooling and fixtures. You are clearly clueless regarding the subject so why do you have an opinion?
However tooling and fixtures cost money which must be repaid reasonably quickly by sales. They require design and refinement to ensure they perform well and repeatedly. In a weapon for war that's not a big deal. In a masturabation aid with far lower sales it is a big deal.
Forgotten Weapons once did an episode on these types of replicas and why they fail. Apparently they're mostly doomed from the start because:
1. No one wants a crazy expensive replica, but to make them cheap, you have to buy a bunch of tooling and make a bunch of them . If you do that, you need a large market of customers to pay for it.
2. Replicas are pretty niche to begin with. They aren't really collectable like an original. They don't shoot as well as modern guns, etc.. You therefore end up with a hard time finding a gun that would be a popular enough to replicate on a large enough scale to meet point #1.
3. People want replicas to "pure" but if you do that, then you end up with weird ammo requirements, unfixed flaws, legal issues for things like machineguns, and an even smaller group of people willing to buy them, which feeds into the problems of point #1.
4. Magazines are, apparently, a b***h.
5. It can't be a gun that there is a lot of cheap ones floating around. It has to be rare or people will just buy originals.
You get the idea.
It's a toy. Buyers dream of being an SS man but never will and are wildly unlikely to be any sort of real life warrior. They'll buy one, stick it in a safe and that's that.
Wanters don't care about anything but their want, like hungry macacaques. They cannot be expected to care about the manufacturer who has to make business decisions.
Because fricking nobody makes 8mm Kurz ammo.
And also, it would run into the exact same issue every other modern reproduction runs into: the autists with money want an authentic gun, not a replica; while the people that don’t care about perfection (read as: the ones that buy those .22 replicas of STGs and MP5’s) are unable or unwilling to drop the premium coin on it.
Forgotten Weapons once did an episode on these types of replicas and why they fail. Apparently they're mostly doomed from the start because:
1. No one wants a crazy expensive replica, but to make them cheap, you have to buy a bunch of tooling and make a bunch of them . If you do that, you need a large market of customers to pay for it.
2. Replicas are pretty niche to begin with. They aren't really collectable like an original. They don't shoot as well as modern guns, etc.. You therefore end up with a hard time finding a gun that would be a popular enough to replicate on a large enough scale to meet point #1.
3. People want replicas to "pure" but if you do that, then you end up with weird ammo requirements, unfixed flaws, legal issues for things like machineguns, and an even smaller group of people willing to buy them, which feeds into the problems of point #1.
4. Magazines are, apparently, a b***h.
5. It can't be a gun that there is a lot of cheap ones floating around. It has to be rare or people will just buy originals.
come to think of it I'm not sure if you were referring to the M1A1 Thompson or the M1A1 Carbine
I myself was referring to the carbine since it's already .30 cal
>it's going to sell out and they won't ever be able to make enough of them
How many people do you think are eager to drop ~$2500 on a STG-44 clone that looks inferior to a .22 version that costs a fifth as much?
The point wasn't that you could get a .22 version, the point was that the cheap .22 version looks far, FAR more authentic to the real deal than the $2000+ PSA offering, and if you like STG-44s enough to want one you're probably going to be iffy to get one that's as shitty looking as the one being discussed in here.
Does it still have all the moronic unnecessary external changes HMG made that make it look like a Tokyo-Marui toy and not an StG44? If so, why would anyone pay $2500 for it?
>going to cost nearly twice as much as was promised >looks stupid
I'm going to get a browser plugin that checks for when these go on fire sale as a huge loss dump-off to recoup a tiny bit of money and hopefully snag one for cheap. Otherwise no way in hell.
I understand rechambering it in 7.62x39 since its the closest modern thing to 8mm Kurz, but why the frick did they put the time and effort into 300 Nigout and 556 versions? Who's dropping nearly $3k on a StG replica, that doesnt even look 100% right, just to shoot some meme suppressor round?
It traces back to HMG being morons and spending years extra time in pre-development setting it up that way. Their claim, which is true, is that if you ever want multiple calibers to be possible you have to start with that design goal from the beginning and not try to add it in later. Since the design work is already done there's no sense in scrapping it now. But the whole foundational concept is the farce. There was no reason to do it - it's stupid and all that wasted time is a good contributor towards those dumbasses going bankrupt.
Really depends on how much it costs.
$2,399 MSRP.
It will go on sale for $2,199 during sales periods.
It's ogre.
They're honoring the HMG pre-orders and the prices for them for people who still had them.
its joever*
>$2,399 MSRP.
Black person you can get an accurate German replica for that
nah
I mean, YOU can't.
The average amerikang makes twice as much as the lowly kraut. Just because the poors cant get it doesn’t mean the large boomer and xoomer population cant
>t. turd worlder
They haven't announced the official price. PSA said they would honor the price for HMG pre-orders and that the MSRP would be "higher" for everyone else.
It will be in 5.56, 7.62x39, 300 BLACKED, and 8mm Kurz.
The 5.56 (and likely 300 blk) will take AR mags.
>300 BLACKED
You mean 300 chimpout, homosexual
tomato tomahto homo
We know. We all know. But here's the thing moron:
>1. No one wants a crazy expensive replica, but to make them cheap, you have to buy a bunch of tooling and make a bunch of them . If you do that, you need a large market of customers to pay for it.
PSA already committed to it when they bought HMG's tooling and unfinished parts. They likely got a great price because HMG was bankrupted by their subcontractors.
>2. Replicas are pretty niche to begin with. They aren't really collectable like an original. They don't shoot as well as modern guns, etc.. You therefore end up with a hard time finding a gun that would be a popular enough to replicate on a large enough scale to meet point #1.
PSA did their research, they're not idiots. They wouldn't spend multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars on a project as niche as a reproduction StG-44 if they didn't think it would sell.
>3. People want replicas to "pure" but if you do that, then you end up with weird ammo requirements, unfixed flaws, legal issues for things like machineguns, and an even smaller group of people willing to buy them, which feeds into the problems of point #1.
Which is why they're chambering them in 5.56, 7.62, 300 blk, and the original 8mm Kurz
>4. Magazines are, apparently, a b***h.
Correct, which is why they're making these take AR mags. I am curious what the 8mm Kurz option will be.
>5. It can't be a gun that there is a lot of cheap ones floating around. It has to be rare or people will just buy originals.
The originals are beyond unobtanium. This gun is a great example of a reproduction candidate.
nah
Just because they think it would sell doesn't mean it will. One company already went bankrupt, after all.
>will be in 5.56, 7.62x39, 300 BLACKED, and 8mm Kurz.
>no 7.92
Still, too many other changes to the rifle. Even this "Mauser" made .22lr version is more honest. Why would I want an AR-15 in a costume?
You aren't wrong. I was curious as to why they want to turn these reproductions into a sort of platform to build other things on.
They confirmed parts won't be 100% compatible and they are going to make new parts like MLOK handguards and optic mounts.
God damn bolt flew out when I broke it down.
The H&K G series are already the descendants of the StG. Why call an octagon a wheel, when you already have an oval?
If I wanted an AK, and I couldn't get an AK, I'd get a Galil or Type 56, I wouldn't get a Mutant.
That's what I mean. It would have been 100% more cool if they decided to make an HK-93 and derivatives.
PSA has a better funded R&D team than HMG could ever dream of.
If only they had a better funded QC team
>no 7.92
This is a joke right? I haven't slept in like 20 hours.
There's 7.92 Kurz, and 7.92 Mauser, 7.92 Mauser is also "8mm" Mauser. There is no 8mm Kurz, so they either mean 7.9 Kurz or 8mm Mauser, and I reserve the right to be angry about the other not being included.
Pretty sure people just call 7.92, 8mm
And people call .22lr as .22. Doesn't make it right.
It is right tho, no one assumes they mean .22 short
>8mm Kurz
>Not 7.92
Are you sure about that?
Lol no you can't
The one by Sport-Systeme Dittrich is roughly 2900 if you deduct german sales-tax so it's a bit more expensive and not available in the US.
If it's anywhere near that then this thing is DOA. I'd possibly pay that if it managed to even look as authentic as the fricking GSG .22 STG, which it doesn't.
They said at this year's ShotShow it would be "north of $2000".
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/shot-show-2023-psa-battlefield-line-stg-44/#:~:text=They%20stated%20that%20the%20price,making%20this%20STG%20for%20PSA.
>north of 2k
>Wahhhh why's it not like ARs where there's 6 million produced a year??!?!??
what the flying frick are you on about?
Just another salty contrarian that has ARs living rent free in his mind.
Poorgays like you can't comprehend R&D costs nor economy of scale
Post the most expensive gun you own. People are laughing at something this shitty and cheap looking costing over $2000 and its inherent doom.
>Post
Can't for 6 hours and won't anyway.
I'm just saying the price tag shouldn't surprise anyone.
>Aug
>Tavor
>Hellion
>ACR (a over a decade ago)
All these sell for ~1500 and have/had at least the potential for military or police contracts. It shouldn't be any surprise that a brand new semi auto product without mass production is going to start above 2k at its release
Yeah okay buddy, see my post. The one chance this thing had at not being a complete failure was being affordable, instead it's in collector price range and it's nowhere near authentic enough to attract that demographic. It's a rifle that satisfies no one and people are laughing at it. Cry over it.
Feel free to call me poor again, I'll show you my pre-war auto loading pistol collection as a treat.
People buy plenty of toys for over 1.5k, 2k is no real problem. It's not the collectors minus those pissed that it looks off, it's mindless consumers plus those that think it looks close enough
>it's mindless consumers plus those that think it looks close enough
You actually think there's a market for people who are only casually interested in crappy 80 year old rifles to the point they don't care about how off they look compared to the originals but are simultaneously interested enough in them to drop $2500 on one? This is like expecting a reproduction Bergman with an awful phosphate job and Glock internals to take off while sporting a $1,500 price tag.
>You actually think there's a market for people who are only casually interested in crappy 80 year old rifles
You people are focusing way too much on collector's/casual historians/whatever else you wanna call them. It started with/for them but that's a drop in the bucket.
I believe people want the novelty enough that it'll sell as long as the QC's at least "fine," but this is PSA so far chance on that. And unlike their AKs I think this is too expensive to make it to a gen 3
>This is like expecting a reproduction Bergman with an awful phosphate job and Glock internals to take off while sporting a $1,500 price tag
That'd absolutely sell if the economy can keep it's current strength. You're underestimating mindless consumerism.
>Historical, dated firearm tied to the second world War
>People who are into history are drop in the bucket for its market
I can only assume you're a shareholder for PSA, because vested self-interest is the only explanation for coping this hard about a company's product performance
>The economy can keep its current strength
I think I'm being trolled now.
>>The economy can keep its current strength
>I think I'm being trolled now.
Elaborate. Things have looked to be on the brink for 3 years now but it keeps chugging along. I also said "current strength" not "it's currently strong"
>You're underestimating mindless consumerism.
Do you have anything to base this assumption that "mindless consumerism" will come through for this particular gun on? So far the only examples of modern reproductions of historical guns that succeed are cheap 1911s and a stupidly expensive, autistically accurate FG-42 clone that costs in excess of $5000. Why is this in-between option going to succeed? "Mindless consumerism" is a stretch for something as expensive as this STG is looking to be.
>You people are focusing way too much on collector's/casual historians/whatever else you wanna call them
Who exactly do you think is going to be buying an STG repro? 3 gunners?
People want something unique. The doubt you throw will unironically help it sell as people buy it "before it gets discontinued"
What are you basing your assumptions on?
>call others poors
>can't even produce evidence of gun ownership
it's all so tiresome
Sorry Black person it's a slow day at work but I can't exactly leave. I don't circle jerk in generals by reposting shitty pics
>works on Sunday
>apparently only has a flip phone because posting pics from a mobile isn't an option
yeah really doing a good job convincing everyone you're a high roller there ao
moron I'm stating I don't keep pictures of guns saved on my phone.
>High roller
No. And I'm not going to be buying this gun, I'm just here saying its price is justified.
>slow day at work
It's fricking sunday during a long holiday weekend dude...
don't care, looks like airshit, gonna flop, plus you're brown
> it would be "north of $2000".
guess this is targeting exclusively at the demographic that has plenty of money to toss around and a weird casual-but-motivated-desire-to-get-WWII-guns-because-of-CoD-nostalgia...should move all of ten units.
You're in luck. There are still some available. But they are around 1k more then you thought:
https://www.hornerarms.de/p/bd-44-selbstladegewehr
Why doesnt someone just import these? It would still be cheaper than that dumb vaporware stg
They were imported in a small batch by ptr but it was a pain due to german and atf restrictions. Had to come in with custom thumbhole stock grips and then 922r here in the states. Ended up costing 5k each and didn't sell well at the time. Now they're 10-15k if you can find them
Cool. Now how do I get it to America?
You don't unless you're rich with connections, those anons are fricking morons.
Ask the ATF, I'm sure there is a way with enough burning loops to jump through. I'll guess you need time and a lot more money then the rifle alone costs.
Ian from forgotten weapons made a video about importing a while back. It is possible, but a huge pain in the ass if it's not your business.
source? i refuse to believe they would list it at anything above 1500.
despite what shills say yes. It's shit at being an AR and it's shit at being a STG44. I understand the "reasons" why they made the choices they did but they should have recognized that doing so makes it a non starter
They never should have called it a STG44 replica. If they had sold it as what the Mini-14 is to the M1 Carbine then maybe
Also current gun market is just turbopoor neofudds who only care about "just as good" glock clones and mid tier AR configurations. Nobody likes guns anymore they just hate Black folk trying to rob them
Its pretty sad that gays can't save an extra $100 to buy a glock and opt for a shitty PSA dagger instead
it's becoming pretty obvious that guns as a hobby are sadly becoming relegated to antique militaria rather than a natural outgrowth of innate civic mentality be it sporting or martial. I guarantee if we lived in more stable times those same people would be promoting gun control. They only got into guns because they felt threatened by contemporary society. There's no passion or ethos involved
Plus lets be real normalgays are dumb as fricking shit. For as much as we shit on redguards who call every gun a "glock fotays" the average white gun owner isn't much better and pigs/zogbots are even worse
Name 1 (one) thing a glock can do that a dagger can't do, at a fraction of the price. I'll wait.
Qaulity control
>ESL
opinion discarded
Glock has actual QC compared to PSA, don't be such a Black person.
>simple typo
>ESL
You get what you pay for anon. This has always been the case.
go bang every time the trigger is pulled. not blow up, to name a couple.
Cite one instance of that happening to a dagger
shut up poorhomosexual
I thought so
failures posted all over leddit poorgay. go back there
how do you know what's on leddit?
>not blow up
u wot? did u get yor memes crossed m9
It is no longer 1980. Striker fired polymer pistols are not novel or hard to make.
I simply do not like Glocks as a pistol or as a company so I buy things in their market to spite them.
>what the Mini-14 is to the M1 Carbine
>STG-24
Should have started with the 'last ditch' configurations then went from there on the price point. As long as it's low batches it will be sustainable, FOMO and all that bullshit.
This has to be the dumbest take. Good thing you are not involved in nthe industry, a "mini-14" stg 44 would not even cover material costs much less break even or make a profit
i am gonna get one to upset the autists
>i'm going to eat shit to make people mad
not the own you think it is
>t.mald
>I'm gonna spend money to upset people I never met
I think you might be the autist here
That’ll teach em. +1 updoot
This man hasn't even spent a dollar and it's already working
It'll sell if the QC isn't turbo garbage because tons of people are BORED. Everything's boring in guns
>UGLY MLOK RAIL
>LOOK IT TAKES GLOCK/AR MAGS
>PICATINNY RAILS
boring is practical but people are tired. It's pretty much why lelkek has a market share at all
What's so bad about the changes they made? It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
>looks like a pidgin and quacks like a dog
this very novel duck really lacks a certain level of authenticity.
It makes you wonder why they call it a duck then get angry when you point out it’s very obtrusive non-duck features.
it's sunk cost fallacy. Also midwits are very easily pleased. These are the same
kind of morons that will claim that an Norinco SKS was "Hitler's Sniper Rifle" at a gun show because they bought it at asking price and someone carved SS runes into the stock
>his SKS doesn't have a waffenamt
What's it like being poor?
the last sks I bought, the magazine would shoot out every time I shot it, and then after only breech loading it the bayonet flew out when I shot it
> It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
Except it doesn't, it has a marginal appearance to an STG-44 while also somehow looking like cheap airsoft. I'm not sure who this gun is even for. It's not anywhere near close enough to the real deal to appease history nerds and it's going to be way too costly and unwieldy for a casual gun owner.
>while also somehow looking like cheap airsoft
Seems to be a trend, check out their Type 56 spiker AK they've got in the works. Whoever is OKing this shit with that kind of wood and metal finishing needs to seriously be fired.
>being this new
PSA didn’t design this, it’s a resurrected HMG project. No relation between the designers of this and PSA’s AKs
You moron I was talking about the finish, something that can be changed on a whim no matter who has the rights to production.
It'll cost between 2-3k like almost any new gun in the last few years, especially anything that's somewhat niche. They'll price it out of the range of the vast majority of people and it'll be relegated to uselessly adorn pages in gun magazines and guntuber channels.
Why can't they just make another STG44, without fricking with it? RIFLE IS FINE.
Rechambering to 7.62 ×39 or x54 would be acceptable.
economies of scale and gutting american manufacturing and companies destroying or selling off their tooling. ~~*Globalism*~~ is why you can't have nice guns anymore and globalism is why you won't have guns at all someday
the trigger group is too complex to be replicated with modern technology
>the trigger group is too complex to be replicated with modern technology
Nothing is too complex to machine today that has been machined before because everything today is vastly easier to machine including tooling and fixtures. You are clearly clueless regarding the subject so why do you have an opinion?
However tooling and fixtures cost money which must be repaid reasonably quickly by sales. They require design and refinement to ensure they perform well and repeatedly. In a weapon for war that's not a big deal. In a masturabation aid with far lower sales it is a big deal.
It's a toy. Buyers dream of being an SS man but never will and are wildly unlikely to be any sort of real life warrior. They'll buy one, stick it in a safe and that's that.
Wanters don't care about anything but their want, like hungry macacaques. They cannot be expected to care about the manufacturer who has to make business decisions.
Because fricking nobody makes 8mm Kurz ammo.
And also, it would run into the exact same issue every other modern reproduction runs into: the autists with money want an authentic gun, not a replica; while the people that don’t care about perfection (read as: the ones that buy those .22 replicas of STGs and MP5’s) are unable or unwilling to drop the premium coin on it.
Not true, Prvi Partisan makes it, albeit in small yearly batches.
Forgotten Weapons once did an episode on these types of replicas and why they fail. Apparently they're mostly doomed from the start because:
1. No one wants a crazy expensive replica, but to make them cheap, you have to buy a bunch of tooling and make a bunch of them . If you do that, you need a large market of customers to pay for it.
2. Replicas are pretty niche to begin with. They aren't really collectable like an original. They don't shoot as well as modern guns, etc.. You therefore end up with a hard time finding a gun that would be a popular enough to replicate on a large enough scale to meet point #1.
3. People want replicas to "pure" but if you do that, then you end up with weird ammo requirements, unfixed flaws, legal issues for things like machineguns, and an even smaller group of people willing to buy them, which feeds into the problems of point #1.
4. Magazines are, apparently, a b***h.
5. It can't be a gun that there is a lot of cheap ones floating around. It has to be rare or people will just buy originals.
You get the idea.
Psa, make me a m1a1 in 10mm
this but 7.62 Tok
jokarev posters deserve death
come to think of it I'm not sure if you were referring to the M1A1 Thompson or the M1A1 Carbine
I myself was referring to the carbine since it's already .30 cal
I want them to make M1A1 Abrams for $12,000, arms are arms.
will /akg/ accept me if I buy one of these in 7.62?
Well its not an AK, so no
they may suspect a spy is among them
it's going to sell out and they won't ever be able to make enough of them, mark my words
>it's going to sell out and they won't ever be able to make enough of them
How many people do you think are eager to drop ~$2500 on a STG-44 clone that looks inferior to a .22 version that costs a fifth as much?
zpeople that want something bigger than 22lr. Why isn't the company making the 22lr version not making it in the og cartridge.
The point wasn't that you could get a .22 version, the point was that the cheap .22 version looks far, FAR more authentic to the real deal than the $2000+ PSA offering, and if you like STG-44s enough to want one you're probably going to be iffy to get one that's as shitty looking as the one being discussed in here.
You're just getting overly autistic about minor differences. Price is steep but I may wait for it to drop in price or buy it second hand.
PSA hardly cares about making money. Once they get this off the ground, they'll make their own famas called the PSA Falchion
I'll buy the first fricking PSA Falchion if that's the case mark my words
Does it still have all the moronic unnecessary external changes HMG made that make it look like a Tokyo-Marui toy and not an StG44? If so, why would anyone pay $2500 for it?
I'd buy it if it were reasonably priced. It's about 2x more expensive than what I'm willing to pay.
>going to cost nearly twice as much as was promised
>looks stupid
I'm going to get a browser plugin that checks for when these go on fire sale as a huge loss dump-off to recoup a tiny bit of money and hopefully snag one for cheap. Otherwise no way in hell.
>for when these go on fire sale
Keep dreaming moron.
I understand rechambering it in 7.62x39 since its the closest modern thing to 8mm Kurz, but why the frick did they put the time and effort into 300 Nigout and 556 versions? Who's dropping nearly $3k on a StG replica, that doesnt even look 100% right, just to shoot some meme suppressor round?
It traces back to HMG being morons and spending years extra time in pre-development setting it up that way. Their claim, which is true, is that if you ever want multiple calibers to be possible you have to start with that design goal from the beginning and not try to add it in later. Since the design work is already done there's no sense in scrapping it now. But the whole foundational concept is the farce. There was no reason to do it - it's stupid and all that wasted time is a good contributor towards those dumbasses going bankrupt.
Funny how the Germans were able to make a reproduction without needlessly overcomplicating the design or development.
I'm a poor.
If I wasn't, I would get one of these.
Not even joking.
What kind of bullets is it made to shoot?
All of them
You had your chance
I was making $10.50 an hour part time in 2017
The parts kits hit the market in 2021 I think, and were on sale for only a few weeks.
Did you think the date for the meme post was for the rifle?
n-no
>Modern replica costs a lot because of specific tooling or manufacturing needed
>DEAD IN THE WATER
PSA might be more your speed meanwhile you homosexuals are basically the reason C96s and other cool old shit will never get modern functional replicas
Yes, I mad
Curious what's the benefit in getting that rather than designs further down the line? I guess the retro-modern feel?
no its not dead theyre also going to unveil their m1 garands they plan on releasing under H&R
They need to make these in 5.7x28mm and .45 Winchester Magnum.