It turns out that these turtle tanks actually work.

It turns out that these turtle tanks actually work. Not a single one destroyed on the field yet, and seem to provide great protection against mobility kills from artillery strikes: https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1780341271992647698?t=bE9LAF2ioNENFH2mleXKSw&s=19

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s time for /k/ to apologize

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jihadi Julian everyone ! The Mongs Mong is back !

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    zigger thread

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia rediscovers effective APC tech
    >Jihadi Julian says its totally joever

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Where is Russia in the tech tree?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      16th century

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Castle Age

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You laugh, but big siege offensive will obliterate isis-american castle rush tactics.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine already producing mangonels to deal with the ram menace.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          even all the way back in the castle age top attack was still the best way to kill armoured vehicles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Castle Age

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1916

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you widened the track base, or gave it a spare pair like Object 279, then yeah this would be decently suited.
        Same for the Mark IV. Since all combat vehicles spend a lot of time suppressing treelines, sponson / barbette guns aren't the worst idea.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          a slow moving support tank armored enough to shrug off artillery and roomy enough that a single heat jet couldn't grease everyone inside and set off the ammo. an uparmored mk iv that takes advantage of all of today's refined technologies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Germans are ahead of everyone else again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Custom super heavy in 1923 in WW1 mod in hoi4

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      jumped all the way to the beginning of tank development because of a glitch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      age of industrial meat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like the bug from Starship Troopers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      with all the sheet metal on all sides, these would fit right in a any slum with sheet metal houses

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frick me it could be parked in someone's driveway and you would simply never see it
        This makes me think that simple top mounted disguises that mimic local terrain could have actual value for armoured vehicle survivability in some cases

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia will bring back casemate tank destroyers.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Tank resists artillery fire like it was designed to do regardless of whether it had the shitty turtle top or not.
    >Julian: OMG WHAT IS THIS WUNDERWAFFE?!?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Tank resists artillery fire
      They dont though. 1 shell lands in couple meters from it and its immobile

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ultra spaced armour
    This is so moronic that it legit comes all the way around to be a genious idea if it actually works

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isch over.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Jihadi Julian

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"you know what would be actually funny? if we let it pass and then let them make ten more of those and then kill all of them"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you know what would be funny?
      >risking our lives and potentially getting killed for absolutely no gain
      jesus christ, you reddit Black folk are the worst.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>you know what would be funny?
        our lives and potentially getting killed for absolutely no gain
        Yes, die for my amusement slav monkey

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh, come on. No need to be salty, jt would be pretty funny.

        https://i.imgur.com/L8Qh2ZQ.jpeg

        >>you know what would be funny?
        our lives and potentially getting killed for absolutely no gain
        Yes, die for my amusement slav monkey

        >*sad arccordion sounds*
        >*suddently stops*

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the moron julian
    thread ignored.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is it that gives people like Ropke this unshakable confidence that they're right despite being proven wrong by reality on a daily basis for years on end?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What is it that gives people like Ropke this unshakable confidence that they're right despite being proven wrong by reality on a daily basis for years on end?
      Today's media culture which doesn't penalise pundits for being wrong
      Seriously, I experienced way more repercussions for shooting my mouth off as a kid on the playground than the likes of Roepke or Trevithick let alone Armchair Copelord
      like, if you misremembered football match fixings and results you got a bad rep and everybody ignored you

      so when these people suffer no such reputational consequences for being wrong, is it any wonder that they behave worse than kids?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Today's media culture which doesn't penalise pundits for being wrong
        This. I mean, David Ax is still employable for frick's sake.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This, today is all about being first, not being right. This is how so many propaganda pieces like this one end on all the news sites front pages so often.

        >Julian publishes some shit like this, is wrong but it's also shocking and alarming, and this is prime fodder for modern news.

        >Bild publishes it on it's front page.

        >Wapo publishes on it's front page citing Bild.

        >Wsj, CNN, etc.. publishes on its front page citing Wapo.

        >Other media sites publishes too, citing WSJ, CNN, Wapo....

        And this is how propaganda finds a way and gets washed out, helped by the "credible" news organizations, it's all a big circlejerk between sites. Social media is the worst thing happened to humanity in the last 50 years by far.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This entire post is honestly the most accurate summation of the monkey-see-monkey-do frick-frick games between social and legacy media in the modern internet era.
          Solid shit, anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Social media is the worst thing happened to humanity in the last 50 years by far

          I've been saying this for awhile, although there are many reasons why it's so bad for humanity. Spreading propaganda and misinformation is just one of the many reasons social media and smartphones are destroying human civilization.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          TJD: Total "Journalist" Death

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You forgot the final step. Wikipedia writes it up as historical fact and cites all the articles.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It used to be news networks required at least two independent sources to publish anything

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We used to have two newspapers editions per day and news at eleven, Now it's a 24/7 cicle of "go first, go broke", what's left of journalism is right now behind paywalls in substack, sadly.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Social media is the worst thing happened to humanity in the last 50 years by far
          i'm hoping this is just going to be a temporary phase for it before people start getting adjusted to it, like how when the printing press was first made and people immediately used it to make-up schizo shit. Eventually, people realize most of what's said on social media is nonsense, and learn to be more critical readers. hopefully.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If COVID teaches us something, is that there's a lot of people who are not logic thinkers, they are emotional thinkers, they "feel" that subject X should be Y way and work backwards to confirm their bias, discarding everything that doesn't conform his view.

            Shitty propaganda like this works like a charm on these people if you manage to plant the right feeling about what you want.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              There are more elements to this
              Repetition has been repeatedly demonstrated to have a significant impact on the formation of beliefs
              If you take someone like this who already thinks emotionally to begin with and repeatedly subject them to the same propaganda you will quickly begin to see results.
              This is why /misc/ memes are so repetitive, it's always the same few easily recognisable caricatures recycled endlessly over and over again to mock whatever it is the currently dont like

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If COVID teaches us something, is that there's a lot of people who are not logic thinkers, they are emotional thinkers, they "feel" that subject X should be Y way and work backwards to confirm their bias, discarding everything that doesn't conform his view.

            Shitty propaganda like this works like a charm on these people if you manage to plant the right feeling about what you want.

            I'm doing my doctorate on materialism
            there have been proven psychological effects of TV on materialism in the past
            now consider that every phone in every person's hand, child to teen to adult, is essentially a miniature TV
            and yes there are also proven psychological effects of Youtube on materialism
            studies on Instagram and Tiktok are still ongoing, but I'll venture to guess that it'll be the same

            I'm never going to let my kids have smartphones or get on social media until their teens

            There are more elements to this
            Repetition has been repeatedly demonstrated to have a significant impact on the formation of beliefs
            If you take someone like this who already thinks emotionally to begin with and repeatedly subject them to the same propaganda you will quickly begin to see results.
            This is why /misc/ memes are so repetitive, it's always the same few easily recognisable caricatures recycled endlessly over and over again to mock whatever it is the currently dont like

            >Repetition
            studies also show that repeatedly listening to the same song over and over again makes users more amenable to it
            this is why radio stations don't mind "overplaying" pop songs, it's scientifically guaranteed to acquire fans

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Tell us more.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >studies also show that repeatedly listening to the same song over and over again makes users more amenable to it
              every song that gets repeated on the radio or tv makes me hate it more each time, same with ads
              i've boycotted brands and artists because i hate their ads and songs so much

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i've boycotted brands and artists because i hate their ads and songs so much
                yes, and I did a paper on that (publish or perish)
                the result is that you are a minority, many people are indifferent to ad repetition, and a significant number have their interest piqued by the product
                given that range of effect, the choice is relatively simple for advertisers: just flood the world with ads

                other studies have reproduced the same results

                Tell us more.

                that's about it really. this research on Finnish adolescents is the absolute latest:
                https://thejsms.org/index.php/JSMS/article/view/1107
                >Frequent following of Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok influencers was positively related to materialism. Active followers of YouTubers had higher purchase intentions, but they were no more materialistic than their peers
                This study is notable as it tracks buying behaviour as well as materialistic attitudes, so it puts a definite price tag of some sort on the behaviour; also it's one of the rare surveys with data collected from children.

                There are other interesting studies as well. For example, one which linked Black rap and bling couture with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to enjoy 50 Cent and Dr Dre. And the brilliant and famous one which linked breast size with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
                does that mean all the most successful and wealthy people in the world are ass-men?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                haha no; the study only focused on breast size and not the choice between tit and ass
                it would be interesting to conduct a corresponding study on ass size preference, but I don't know if somebody already has

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My gut tells me that poorer people will prefer more exaggerated sexual characteristics of all types.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                heh no idea
                this topic is far out of my field, and I'm not keen to do a deep dive on my own time
                there is some research that wealthy people are more likely to do facial cosmetic surgery, whereas poorer people are more likely to do buttock and breast enhancements. the latter you can definitely call sexual characteristics, but would you consider an idealised nose to be an exaggerated sexual characteristic?

                I personally believe that wealthier people prefer slim athletic bodies. I've only ever seen the "lower classes" go for E cups and forty inch asses. no doubt there is a wide range of tastes, but as with all social sciences we're talking balance of probability here, not absolutes

                >For example, one which linked Black rap and bling couture with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to enjoy 50 Cent and Dr Dre
                Often, actual scientific research to prove that the obvious is still true is very useful and needed.

                > And the brilliant and famous one which linked breast size with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
                What about preference for ass though?

                [...]
                Was there ever any doubt?

                >actual scientific research to prove that the obvious is still true is very useful and needed
                also, AFAIK that's the only study that dared to test the connection
                obviously it's a subject that very few university research committees will green light

                >preference for ass
                see above
                TLDR the rich do facelifts the poor do butt and boob jobs

                >hollow (athletic)
                Hollow is a weird word for something like that.

                I think it's an industry term (not sure, WAAY out of my field) and I have no idea what it means

                maybe the little concaves on the sides of some butts?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I personally believe that wealthier people prefer slim athletic bodies.
                I think this is connected to being successful and being able to have the time to work out and eat well.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Probably. I knew a few wealthy individuals. They are almost obsessive about health. ((Health)), not looking good per se.

                These studies might not control for obesity. Large breasts often = obese or overweight subjects/variables in research because its never controlled. I found a study looking at brrast sizes in Europe measured in mL's and it literally tracked 1:1 with obesity rate. The exceptions were based Dutch and Danes.

                >obesity
                the study asked men to rate images of women. it might be a contributory factor, yes, but I doubt it. Iunno lol

                another interesting finding of the same study on breast preference: men preferred bigger breasts when they were hungry, and smaller when they full.

                >Large breasts often = obese or overweight subjects/variables in research because its never controlled. I found a study looking at brrast sizes in Europe measured in mL's and it literally tracked 1:1 with obesity rate
                makes sense

                >The exceptions were based Dutch and Danes
                true masterrace

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                These studies might not control for obesity. Large breasts often = obese or overweight subjects/variables in research because its never controlled. I found a study looking at brrast sizes in Europe measured in mL's and it literally tracked 1:1 with obesity rate. The exceptions were based Dutch and Danes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                haha no; the study only focused on breast size and not the choice between tit and ass
                it would be interesting to conduct a corresponding study on ass size preference, but I don't know if somebody already has

                >ass size preference
                oh lmao there actually is

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >hollow (athletic)
                Hollow is a weird word for something like that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >For example, one which linked Black rap and bling couture with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to enjoy 50 Cent and Dr Dre
                Often, actual scientific research to prove that the obvious is still true is very useful and needed.

                > And the brilliant and famous one which linked breast size with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
                What about preference for ass though?

                >the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
                does that mean all the most successful and wealthy people in the world are ass-men?

                Was there ever any doubt?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nah, brainrot like Q nonsense, flat earth, moon is fake and so on is like catnip to bored suburbanites (look at this huge conspiracy! my empty life now has fun and excitement!) and they spread it like russians spread aids.
            only way social media will die is when ai makes up 95% of all "interpersonal" communication, except the same boomers are precisely the people too fricking stupid to realize they're not talking to other people

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      genuinely no idea. he's been blatantly wrong or caught shilling bullshit so many times but for some bizzare reason people still care what he shits out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bizzare is I several times caught mainstream media in my country citing him as an expert. I guess it's because he writes for Bild that gives him credibility in their eyes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The sad thing is Bild is just a tabloid, I don't know why everybody outside Germany has it on so high steem, it's the sun for krauts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Being confidently wrong to the right audience who wants to believe you rather than the truth is enough to get you clicks in this moronic post truth internet world.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        You can say the most ridiculous bullshit, and an average joe would believe it as long as you say it confidently.

        this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus christ, what context was this in? He's fricking fuming.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He is always fuming no matter what context
            Look at his fricking head
            Look at the state of his 'military career'
            Look at how the only people who don't incessantly mock him are disgusting subhumans even he can't bear to associate with (except for Choke Redpill, lmfao)

            He has no family, no prospects, he a traitorous worm waiting for the boot to finally fall
            And he knows it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            iirc it's from a youtube discussion in 22/23 along with some other zigger symphatizers. actually he was relatively relaxed but he regularly has those neurotic spasms at certain points, especially when he's about to provide an answer.
            probably his smoothbrain combing through all the lies and fantasies he's concocted throughout the years

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              He is always fuming no matter what context
              Look at his fricking head
              Look at the state of his 'military career'
              Look at how the only people who don't incessantly mock him are disgusting subhumans even he can't bear to associate with (except for Choke Redpill, lmfao)

              He has no family, no prospects, he a traitorous worm waiting for the boot to finally fall
              And he knows it

              It is fascinating that a man with the constant energy of barely concealed anger disguised as smugness has the exact appearance to match.
              There is some greater force at play here, and it is most certainly not one helping him.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        You can say the most ridiculous bullshit, and an average joe would believe it as long as you say it confidently.

        I like to imagine that at least some of these people have accidentally convinced themselves that they are right as a result of this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      genuinely no idea. he's been blatantly wrong or caught shilling bullshit so many times but for some bizzare reason people still care what he shits out.

      Being confidently wrong to the right audience who wants to believe you rather than the truth is enough to get you clicks in this moronic post truth internet world.

      You can say the most ridiculous bullshit, and an average joe would believe it as long as you say it confidently.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Being confidently wrong to the right audience who wants to believe you rather than the truth is enough to get you clicks in this moronic post truth internet world.

        It helps when yo delete information disproving you and ban countless people so there's less true information responding to you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >being proven wrong by reality on a daily basis for years
      This is fine for a religion or a cult.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Money. If you’re wrong every day but the pay check clears every week, you’d develop some cognitive dissonance too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Idk about Ropke, I want to know what keeps Armchair going, dude is immune to new information.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's demand for contarianism.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can safely assume that some of those shits are getting paid to post. Yes, it's not fair to assume that every stupid person on the internet is a bot or a paid shill, but, hey, at least that gives their intelligence some benefit of the doubt while compelling you not to waste your life engaging with them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >paid
          Or extorted with records of CP

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yes
            >Scott Ritter, twice convicted over honeypots

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yes
            >Scott Ritter, twice convicted over honeypots

            You don't extort Scott with CP, you bribe him with it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Do both, get him cumming and going.

              https://i.imgur.com/3U0FjPa.jpeg

              The idea is that Ukraine has no agency and can't make choices because they're a smaller poor country. Only the West (TM) has agency and is capable of making decisions and choices. because they have power and money.

              This is also why say, Russia and China are always off acting like victims. They don't see themselves as capable of much agency or any type of responsability because its the evil imperialist racist fascist essayist Amerikkka that has money and power and hence can actually act.

              If you want to go deep enough you'll see that the Russians and dinks believe this because of the Marxist belief in the "superstructure" of society. It basically goes "has money and economic power >> decides the sub-structure > sub-structure is everything that isn't money and economic power" but commies didn't invent this bullshit neither did they start it. It's basically just a gayer form of determinism.

              Yeah that's a really interesting throughline. While it's true that more powerful states tend to try to influence smaller ones, that's not the same thing as being able to attribute all actions of smaller ones directly to larger ones. Ukraine has repeatedly now both as a people and a state, shown itself very invested in removing itself from that very kind of influence over its affairs. But that rejection can't possibly be organic. Someone can't simply have the will and means to resist the gravity of a greater power. It must be someone else's doing.
              It's completely infantalising of just about everyone, really.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Do both, get him cumming and going.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >bribe

              Do both, get him cumming and going.
              [...]
              Yeah that's a really interesting throughline. While it's true that more powerful states tend to try to influence smaller ones, that's not the same thing as being able to attribute all actions of smaller ones directly to larger ones. Ukraine has repeatedly now both as a people and a state, shown itself very invested in removing itself from that very kind of influence over its affairs. But that rejection can't possibly be organic. Someone can't simply have the will and means to resist the gravity of a greater power. It must be someone else's doing.
              It's completely infantalising of just about everyone, really.

              >cumming
              kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why is this meme that Ukraine is Nato still around?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia needs to reduce the humiliation felt at failing to overrun a country by all means they should have curb stomped, so it must be that they're really fighting a much larger threat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia needs an excuse as to why they couldn't take Kiev in 3 days.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The idea is that Ukraine has no agency and can't make choices because they're a smaller poor country. Only the West (TM) has agency and is capable of making decisions and choices. because they have power and money.

          This is also why say, Russia and China are always off acting like victims. They don't see themselves as capable of much agency or any type of responsability because its the evil imperialist racist fascist essayist Amerikkka that has money and power and hence can actually act.

          If you want to go deep enough you'll see that the Russians and dinks believe this because of the Marxist belief in the "superstructure" of society. It basically goes "has money and economic power >> decides the sub-structure > sub-structure is everything that isn't money and economic power" but commies didn't invent this bullshit neither did they start it. It's basically just a gayer form of determinism.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's basically just a gayer form of determinism.
            God elected this chuckle for me at the dawn of creation, and it was good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's the same logic as to why Tyrone and S'h'a'n'i'q'u'a'h' will never be held accountable for their actions, and the Soviets helped spread that mindset over here.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Armchair copelord

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        seethe. He was a shitty officer and he now has an axe to grind against the US. Add in a healthy dose of kompromat and you get copelord.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He isn't paid to be right, he is paid to reassure people who are wrong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Röpke is either a completely soulless grifter or a traitor (altough the lines seem to blur nowadays)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think he's just moronic. The Syrian civil war drove this dude nuts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Alcohol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who? Jihadi Julian?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      genuinely no idea. he's been blatantly wrong or caught shilling bullshit so many times but for some bizzare reason people still care what he shits out.

      It's a inherent characteristic of being a journalist, please be patient.

      The sad thing is Bild is just a tabloid, I don't know why everybody outside Germany has it on so high steem, it's the sun for krauts.

      A lot of people considered "smart" (but aren't) for some moronic reason hold up anything that is German in high steem. Something similar happens with French things in cultures of other languages, like Spanish and Portuguese.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lack of reprecussions.
      Rather actually being rewarded for saying the things people go on the internet to hear.
      Modern day internet is a series of echo chambers for your desired viewpoint.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      works for Bild, yellow press
      Also, the turtle tank works in the sense that the HEAT charge on an rpg7 loses significant pen at 1m+ distance after detonation and formation of the copper stream

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >One video
    >Drives to front and back to drop off some dudes
    >All the other IFVs without the cope also do the same
    >Later images show it destroyed in a warehouse
    >This means moronation works.
    Why do this OP, we have memories longer than two days.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is funny how these threads could only possibly interest people who already have extensive knowledge about the war in Ukraine.
      We are by far the worst ROI for a disinfo strike possible.
      Go back to grooming kids on Tik-Tok, Pidor

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    drone operator was shaking from laughter too much and couldn't hit it

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Kys

    >One video
    >Drives to front and back to drop off some dudes
    >All the other IFVs without the cope also do the same
    >Later images show it destroyed in a warehouse
    >This means moronation works.
    Why do this OP, we have memories longer than two days.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So they made a jumbo sized tracked APC out of an obsolete tank like a T-55/T-62/early-T-72?
    If it can make it this far then:
    1. They are past the UA minefields.
    2. there is probably a lack of AT weapons available in that sector be it drones or conventional.
    My suspicion with these mad max designs we've been seeing lately(assault urals, golf carts, Armored Personell Tanks) must attribute to a shortage of BMP-1/2 and BTR variants and they have resorted to using old surplus tanks that are in a barely running condition that is probably useless as a conventional tank, but can still move from A to B. This move seems to out of desperation to push the frontline no matter the cost with whatever equipment the Russians have left.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a shortage of BMP-1/2 and BTR variants
      basically they don't have enough to supply both the sacrificial forces and the exploitation force

      since practically WW2 the Russians have operated on a one-two punch model; supported by massive artillery barrages, the meat marches into the grinder and hopes to overwhelm the enemy at a specific point whereupon the better-trained and better-equipped follow-on force enters the gap and hits strategic targets

      what is happening here is probably that they're reserving what actual tanks and IFVs they have left for the follow-on forces, and leaving these to the cannon fodder. we did see them commit their actual tanks and IFVs to take Avdiivka for example.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        An actual, honest-to-god "they haven't even sent in the real army yet" poster in this, the year of our Lord, 2024.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >"they haven't even sent in the real army yet" poster
          what I mean is that half the army HAS been wiped out so they have to reserve the remainder, idiot

          >actual tanks
          Well they did use their actual tanks in the first stages of the Avdiivka offensive, but stopped deploying them en masse after the huge losses at the start.
          The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went? It is a highly costly approach in terms of manpower. For how long can the Russian authorities hide the losses from the public? Ironically they might be better off with dead soldiers than maimed ones since dead soldiers do not talk.

          >use their actual tanks in the first stages of the Avdiivka offensive
          IINM they used their actual tanks in the latter stage, and that is what created the breakthrough
          however they had to commit basically the entire Leningrad Military District in a divisional attack to do so, on top of the meatgrinder units

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >actual tanks
        Well they did use their actual tanks in the first stages of the Avdiivka offensive, but stopped deploying them en masse after the huge losses at the start.
        The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went? It is a highly costly approach in terms of manpower. For how long can the Russian authorities hide the losses from the public? Ironically they might be better off with dead soldiers than maimed ones since dead soldiers do not talk.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went?
          its obvious you have never seen a real vatnik gears in action. The answer for them would be fricking ukrop nazi hohols killed beloved Vanya. They must pay for it!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went
          If they ask that you send them to where Vanya went, simple.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went? I
          Do you think Russian women miss their husbands? They will only miss the money

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you think women miss their husbands?
            Nope

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're just sending their old shit, like the US is.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Akchually, if the shed is kept far enough away from the hull then it would be able to force the typical HEAT warhead to go off far enough away that the jet can’t penetrate to the inside. The newer cope caps of their newer tanks also does that but Ukies are good at flying FPVs at targets at low angles to hit rear and sides avoiding the cages. This turtle tank makes it so that there’s no easy access to any vulnerable aspect from small HEAT warheads.

    Current meta with top-attack munitions exploit the fact that armored vehicles will always be thinly armored on the top. But HEAT has a major downside vs ballistics — the performance of the penetrating jet greatly decreases the further it travels, so triggering them early reduces their ability to penetrate. So little warheads like cluster munitions and those little RPG rounds may not penetrate the vehicle whereas a high-velocity ballistic penetrator would go straight through the thin metal and barely lose any energy. I’m sure larger and longer warheads would work but that’s not the inventory Ukraine has built up. I’m sure the Ukies will hustle something up, but for now these things will be tough for them to handle simply because of how thread-bare their situation is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This isn't really true, for a notable drop off in penetration you need over 2 meters of standoff space at the minimum for even weak old RPG-7 warheads. Most HEAT charges actually INCREASE penetration as standoff distance increases up to a point. To give you an idea, a PG-7VM 93mm projectile has about ~175mm of standoff on a 93mm charge diameter. Most shaped charges have an increase in penetration up to 6-8 charge diameters. This means if an RPG warhead is dropped onto the top of this thing then even with 1 meter of spacing, you're looking at ~12 charge diameters or so. In most cases you're looking at roughly equivalent penetration from 2 CDs compared to 12 CDs as the parabola starts to dip back down again. In other words, a PG-7VM dropped on top (assuming the 1 meter between roof and top of turtle shell) will still go through ~300mm of steel at that distance. Most T-72s/T-80s/T-90s are going to have 40-60mm of turret roof armor, with less over the engine area. That means in this hypothetical scenario you will need 2-3 meters of spacing (~24-32 CDs) to reduce the shaped charge velocity enough for the roof of the turret to protect the crew, much less the engine. Of course this implies a precision made charge and doesn't take into account the very minor effects of the thin steel shell but I think it's a safe bet that at minimum you'll need 2 meters of spacing to be safe inside the tank crew compartment

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Stand off curve for PG-7V warhead

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          now compare that plot with this, PG-7VM from 1969 that is the most common PG-7 for FPVs (the 7V is shorter).
          Some drones even have the larger PG-7VL from the 1980s. Compare 2ft of the 7V vs 720mm of the 7VM

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why not remote trigger them or put on one of those radar modules for Cars? there must be 100k+ on dumps all around europe alone that would still work good enough to trigger at the right distance of 30-40cm if you glued it on the round. they are also tiny so it would not degrade the flight performance

            • 1 month ago
              Hugh Jass

              Cost, complexity, reliability.
              The simplest solution to achieving ideal standoff is a simple nose probe, as used on the Panzerfaust 3 and RPG-29 (introduced 1989), with the advantage of pre-detonating any reactive armour.
              There's just so much old Cold War ammo with the same fuse design flaw, that slat/mesh armour is still, situationally, useful.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            where do you take the data from?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ehhh. thats a simulation...

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              A simulation validated with empirical tests.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/VKPYBU0.png

        Stand off curve for PG-7V warhead

        https://i.imgur.com/LRTO3xG.png

        now compare that plot with this, PG-7VM from 1969 that is the most common PG-7 for FPVs (the 7V is shorter).
        Some drones even have the larger PG-7VL from the 1980s. Compare 2ft of the 7V vs 720mm of the 7VM

        Based effort poster.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >PG-7V* family
        >Precision made charge
        Maybe the 7VR and possibly the 7VL but the 7V /Ms don't hold a candle in terms of CD performance to post-80s + ATGMs.

        The other thing I can think of is that the huge shell obscures the shape which makes drone operators and ATGM gunners think for a little for where they're aiming at (aside from just outright flanking with a drone and ramming it into where the engine is approximately at). Still the roof is toast if the drone plunges straight down or a TOW-2B's EFPs punch straight down.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're forgetting about the roof ERA. While yes standoff is not great at stopping modern warheads, you simply cannot look at standoff RHA curves to judge performance against ERA.

        It's likely that the actual purpose of this is to defeat the tandem warhead and increase ERA performance, not to decrease RHA equiv. penetration.

        All the the standoff armor has to do is to neutralize the small primary charge so that it no longer has enough energy to set off or damage the ERA. You would need to look at the standoff penetration for the small primary charge, not for the entire munition. Given the smaller diameter, it's likely that the penetration will drop off greatly with standoff.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Most shaped charges have an increase in penetration up to 6-8 charge diameters.

        Where the hell do you get that kind of information?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Jihadi Julian

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the chance of a general Russian breakthrough this summer is not high. Zelensky has already said that if it comes down to it, without aid, they’ll be forced to contract the frontline — which means ceding a significant amount of land, but also consolidating the front making an actual breakthrough a lot less likely. There’s a minority chance that the Russians can degrade Ukie power grid enough to make large-scale movements difficult resulting in a weak point that the Russians can identify and punch through without the Ukies being able to address in time. If the US wasn’t involved there would probably be a breakthrough already — but thanks to US satellite and ELINT coverage there’s no way the Russians can hide any significant level of staging and movement in preparation allowing the Ukies to position defenses to respond as needed. If the Russians are able to degrade their power grid and transport (ie electric trains) they might be able to build up a breakthrough force without Ukies being able to respond quickly enough. I just think that’s not very likely due to the fact that the Russians won’t be able to build up enough stand-off strike packages to actually cause widespread loss of power to key parts of the economy and transportation in that timeframe. They took out a couple of major power generation plants BUT Ukies are just buying from neighboring countries. They’ll have to hit a LOT of power infrastructure, not just a few power plants — maybe they’re planning on just that but we’ll have to wait and see.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but Russia has no capability to exploit a breakthrough. Even if there is a gap, they have no mobile forces that are capable of pouring in there and widening it. They have no means to supply them either. Plus Ukraine still has their mobile reserve that was planned to be used in the failed counteroffensive. The only option for Russia is a slow grind.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God I can't wait for tanks to get replaced by killdozers.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The birth of a new specialized anti drone weapon!,

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do real living people actually use Twitter?
    Every one of these threads is full of completely 24/7 online posters saying "ukraine is done." Under every thread. They've been doing this for 2 years now, every one of these types of posts they just sit online and respond with that same shit, all day every day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Do real living people actually use Twitter?
      Only the people who use it for porn.
      I'm only half-joking saying this.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >julian roepcke
    >bild "zeitung" "journalist"
    twitter threads of such cretin should be a bannable offense. Picrel:
    >russophobic
    Gotta admit this guy is a curious one. You can find his name on the ministry of foreign affairs of zigger federation accusing him of being a HATO shill from February 11, 2022 in an article named
    >Examples of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
    bizarro world

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Examples of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
      Fricking kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
      clown world, they never took any of that shit down too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
      amazing that this is still up
      https://mid.ru/en/press_service/articles_and_rebuttals/rebuttals/nedostovernie-publikacii/1798160/

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's moronic though. A key part of using a tank is visibility, you'd know this if you weren't a moron from /chug/.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why are you comparing the second army in the world to the poorest, unstable and corrupt country in Europe?

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no Julian says it's bad for Ukraine? Truly I am now sehr demoralized

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eh, it's not uncommon for tanks and other vehicles to come to the frontline and then retreat "succesfully" if they don't step on a mine or receive a direct hit. It's not like it tanked real hits or anything.
    I'm not even sure what it did before retreating. It seemer super clumsy and aimless.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just wait till it hits a mine and the crew has to escape from underneath all the freshly mangled metal...

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >unable to do it's main job (fire teh gun)
    >zero visibility
    >probably almost impossible to bail out in case of being hit
    I mean, yeah i guess not all nu-hertzers got destroyed instantly, but how does it proves anything?

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s also possible that this is how regular assaults go all the time and we only get footage of the successful kills, this time because of how strange the vehicles are they were posted even if they didn’t manage to kill it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what assault? it doesn't actually do anything

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the only cult i'm in is the cult of the horsewiener, anon.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like how we're used to seeing anything russia makes instantly bursting into flames to the point where this shitheap not immediately being seen in pieces means ukraine is finished

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get why everyone here is seething. It works, so what's the problem?

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine wastes an AT system on it
    >AXAXAXA dumb hohols waste expensive HATO wunderwaffe on smekalka*~~*~~
    >Ukraine happens to not shoot the shitheap
    >PUCCIA STRONK NEW TECHNOLOGY AGE REACHED*~~*~~*~~*~~)

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What anons constantly fail to understand is that there people aren’t doing "propaganda" per se, ie, deliberately trying to program the audience with a desired thought or set a discourse. They are simply following a narrative direction their audience enjoys; all they care about is engagement, clicks and views. To them, being pro-Russia isn’t about getting paid by a Kremlin handler or oligarch, it’s simply about delivering content his audience enjoys. Being the truth or well-researched / considered is secondary — in fact, he probably gaslights himself as necessary as an emotional coping mechanism. He sees himself not as a predator manipulating morons into holding counter-factual beliefs but rather as someone who identifies with and on the same side as his audience.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >anon hasn't figure out that actually evil people exist

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Genuinely malicious and sadistic people , those who perpetuate suffering for the sake of suffering and nothing else, are outliers. Your average evil person is too stupid or blinded by selfish reasons to recognize the damage they are causeing. Anyone is capable of evil if they ever abandon introspection and become unvigilant of themself.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Your average evil person is too stupid or blinded by selfish reasons to recognize the damage they are causeing.
          They recognize it but they also think that "it's not that bad, it's a net win for everyone", "it cost them nothing", "they owe it to me".
          Monkey brain can justify a lot of things if it benefits him.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >like they did with the so called cope cages
    There's a difference between an angle iron gazebo meant to stop ATGMs (they can't) and fence netting meant to catch Lancets or drone drops instead of letting them fall through an open hatch.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Very nice, I like it. I hope we see more of this weapon in the battle for Chasiv yar and Kramatosh.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the lastest russian thing the vatniks will memoryhole when it eventually turns out to be just shit?

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like its time to use napalm specifically made for tanks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno man, I think regular napalm's gonna work just fine

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hide them on cardboard boxes, MGS style.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ropcke

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if the tank cant do anything to drones, choppers, atgm launchers, arty etc anyway, what do they lose with such an enclosure?

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if it works, it works. anyone who is mad about it is a homosexual

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now that there are FPV-proof tanks, we clearly need APFSDSFPVs

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The russian tutels have actively eaten shit, I've seen atleast 2 videos of this shitbox smoldering

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, first such tank was destroyed by artillery fire.
    They are sorta hard to hit only by drones, for now.
    "For now" is an important part
    Because AI-assisted guidance is solving the EW problem

    Then there are mines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Actually, first such tank was destroyed by artillery fire.
      And Ukraine has a critical shortage of artillery shells...
      >They are sorta hard to hit only by drones, for now.
      ... And Ukraine, to make up for its artillery shortage, is using more drones in place of artillery.
      Somehow everything is perfectly fine though and you miss these details and the implications here. Quit being fricking moronic - Ukraine needs help. Trying to undersell the threat they face only ensures that more people will think they are not in as dire of a situation as they really are, thus thinking aid isn't very important(which it very much is.)
      This is why we have morons saying
      >"oh well den i guess ukraine not need the aid!?"
      inb4 banned for posting this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >And Ukraine has a critical shortage of artillery shells...

        Dw, based Czechs collected found like 1+ millions of shells and funding for them too

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Landship meta soon.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can we talk about the effectiveness of these tanks?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not really because technically, we haven't really seen much of them, since they seem to be relatively recent. They're also not publishing research about the effectiveness of the cuckshed versus anti tank munitions, for some reason.
      But realistically
      cons:
      >probably weighs a frickton, with all the drawbacks associated with it

      >turret can't rotate

      >poke your head out of the hatch to look around because you can't see shit from the inside
      >still can't see shit

      >get hit, tank starts to cook
      >the cope pagoda is in the fricking way, slows down your exit and gets you and your crew killed

      pros:
      >it maybe, possibly, potentially prevents some FPV drones from instantly pulverizing your tank (to be tested)

      >the drone operator is going to be laughing too much to be able to properly communicate your position over comms, giving you a tactical advantage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Since it can't see or defend itself except from straight ahead I'd say its not very effective. Also supposedly they're using these aberrations as IFVs or APCs which I don't even know what to think about that.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    of course it works, they wouldnt risk making themselves look like massive morons if it didnt save their lives
    in the end it doesnt matter how pathetic you look if it keeps you alive, soldiers from every era knew that
    back when plate armor first started to gain traction people thought it was goofy and pathetic for the same reasons people laugh at russian cope cages, so early armored soldiers tried to hide the armor under fancy jackets (pic kind of shows what i mean)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they wouldnt risk making themselves look like massive morons if it didnt save their lives
      Because troops have never made wacky field modifications that make little to no sense to their equipment and vehicles. Come on now, anon.
      Someone post the tank with a basket full of rocks hanging from its turret. Or the truck with logs strapped to the grille and the sides. Or the vans with fricking ERA bricks taped to them. Or that one tank with a bucket hanging from a pole welded on the back of the turret (that one wins most original)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If I remember right at least some of those trucks and APCs with logs were to be used if the vehicle got stuck in the mud, they'd use the logs to remove it from it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >back when plate armor first started to gain traction people thought it was goofy and pathetic for the same reasons people laugh at russian cope cages, so early armored soldiers tried to hide the armor under fancy jackets
      You're a fricking moron. That is not why surcoats were worn.
      >Reduced sun heating of armor in the summer
      >Kept you warm in the winter
      >Kept mud and rain off metal to reduce rust
      >Identified you to your allies so they could tell who you were

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like how the ziggers are

    "REEE~!!11 DON'T LAUGH! IT'S A NEW WAR META!111"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *special military meta

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://suno.com/song/54f81b56-f0e3-4b24-baba-1c875b595b68

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even just for the sheer fact that it gives confidence and placebo it's better

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Not a single one destroyed on the field yet

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