It turns out that these turtle tanks actually work. Not a single one destroyed on the field yet, and seem to provide great protection against mobility kills from artillery strikes: https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1780341271992647698?t=bE9LAF2ioNENFH2mleXKSw&s=19
It’s time for /k/ to apologize
Jihadi Julian everyone ! The Mongs Mong is back !
zigger thread
>Russia rediscovers effective APC tech
>Jihadi Julian says its totally joever
Where is Russia in the tech tree?
16th century
Castle Age
You laugh, but big siege offensive will obliterate isis-american castle rush tactics.
Ukraine already producing mangonels to deal with the ram menace.
even all the way back in the castle age top attack was still the best way to kill armoured vehicles
>Castle Age
1916
If you widened the track base, or gave it a spare pair like Object 279, then yeah this would be decently suited.
Same for the Mark IV. Since all combat vehicles spend a lot of time suppressing treelines, sponson / barbette guns aren't the worst idea.
a slow moving support tank armored enough to shrug off artillery and roomy enough that a single heat jet couldn't grease everyone inside and set off the ammo. an uparmored mk iv that takes advantage of all of today's refined technologies.
Germans are ahead of everyone else again.
>Custom super heavy in 1923 in WW1 mod in hoi4
jumped all the way to the beginning of tank development because of a glitch
age of industrial meat
Looks like the bug from Starship Troopers
with all the sheet metal on all sides, these would fit right in a any slum with sheet metal houses
Frick me it could be parked in someone's driveway and you would simply never see it
This makes me think that simple top mounted disguises that mimic local terrain could have actual value for armoured vehicle survivability in some cases
Russia will bring back casemate tank destroyers.
>Tank resists artillery fire like it was designed to do regardless of whether it had the shitty turtle top or not.
>Julian: OMG WHAT IS THIS WUNDERWAFFE?!?
>Tank resists artillery fire
They dont though. 1 shell lands in couple meters from it and its immobile
>ultra spaced armour
This is so moronic that it legit comes all the way around to be a genious idea if it actually works
Isch over.
>Jihadi Julian
>"you know what would be actually funny? if we let it pass and then let them make ten more of those and then kill all of them"
>you know what would be funny?
>risking our lives and potentially getting killed for absolutely no gain
jesus christ, you reddit Black folk are the worst.
>>you know what would be funny?
our lives and potentially getting killed for absolutely no gain
Yes, die for my amusement slav monkey
Oh, come on. No need to be salty, jt would be pretty funny.
>*sad arccordion sounds*
>*suddently stops*
>the moron julian
thread ignored.
What is it that gives people like Ropke this unshakable confidence that they're right despite being proven wrong by reality on a daily basis for years on end?
>What is it that gives people like Ropke this unshakable confidence that they're right despite being proven wrong by reality on a daily basis for years on end?
Today's media culture which doesn't penalise pundits for being wrong
Seriously, I experienced way more repercussions for shooting my mouth off as a kid on the playground than the likes of Roepke or Trevithick let alone Armchair Copelord
like, if you misremembered football match fixings and results you got a bad rep and everybody ignored you
so when these people suffer no such reputational consequences for being wrong, is it any wonder that they behave worse than kids?
>Today's media culture which doesn't penalise pundits for being wrong
This. I mean, David Ax is still employable for frick's sake.
This, today is all about being first, not being right. This is how so many propaganda pieces like this one end on all the news sites front pages so often.
>Julian publishes some shit like this, is wrong but it's also shocking and alarming, and this is prime fodder for modern news.
>Bild publishes it on it's front page.
>Wapo publishes on it's front page citing Bild.
>Wsj, CNN, etc.. publishes on its front page citing Wapo.
>Other media sites publishes too, citing WSJ, CNN, Wapo....
And this is how propaganda finds a way and gets washed out, helped by the "credible" news organizations, it's all a big circlejerk between sites. Social media is the worst thing happened to humanity in the last 50 years by far.
This entire post is honestly the most accurate summation of the monkey-see-monkey-do frick-frick games between social and legacy media in the modern internet era.
Solid shit, anon.
>Social media is the worst thing happened to humanity in the last 50 years by far
I've been saying this for awhile, although there are many reasons why it's so bad for humanity. Spreading propaganda and misinformation is just one of the many reasons social media and smartphones are destroying human civilization.
TJD: Total "Journalist" Death
You forgot the final step. Wikipedia writes it up as historical fact and cites all the articles.
It used to be news networks required at least two independent sources to publish anything
We used to have two newspapers editions per day and news at eleven, Now it's a 24/7 cicle of "go first, go broke", what's left of journalism is right now behind paywalls in substack, sadly.
>Social media is the worst thing happened to humanity in the last 50 years by far
i'm hoping this is just going to be a temporary phase for it before people start getting adjusted to it, like how when the printing press was first made and people immediately used it to make-up schizo shit. Eventually, people realize most of what's said on social media is nonsense, and learn to be more critical readers. hopefully.
If COVID teaches us something, is that there's a lot of people who are not logic thinkers, they are emotional thinkers, they "feel" that subject X should be Y way and work backwards to confirm their bias, discarding everything that doesn't conform his view.
Shitty propaganda like this works like a charm on these people if you manage to plant the right feeling about what you want.
There are more elements to this
Repetition has been repeatedly demonstrated to have a significant impact on the formation of beliefs
If you take someone like this who already thinks emotionally to begin with and repeatedly subject them to the same propaganda you will quickly begin to see results.
This is why /misc/ memes are so repetitive, it's always the same few easily recognisable caricatures recycled endlessly over and over again to mock whatever it is the currently dont like
I'm doing my doctorate on materialism
there have been proven psychological effects of TV on materialism in the past
now consider that every phone in every person's hand, child to teen to adult, is essentially a miniature TV
and yes there are also proven psychological effects of Youtube on materialism
studies on Instagram and Tiktok are still ongoing, but I'll venture to guess that it'll be the same
I'm never going to let my kids have smartphones or get on social media until their teens
>Repetition
studies also show that repeatedly listening to the same song over and over again makes users more amenable to it
this is why radio stations don't mind "overplaying" pop songs, it's scientifically guaranteed to acquire fans
Tell us more.
>studies also show that repeatedly listening to the same song over and over again makes users more amenable to it
every song that gets repeated on the radio or tv makes me hate it more each time, same with ads
i've boycotted brands and artists because i hate their ads and songs so much
>i've boycotted brands and artists because i hate their ads and songs so much
yes, and I did a paper on that (publish or perish)
the result is that you are a minority, many people are indifferent to ad repetition, and a significant number have their interest piqued by the product
given that range of effect, the choice is relatively simple for advertisers: just flood the world with ads
other studies have reproduced the same results
that's about it really. this research on Finnish adolescents is the absolute latest:
https://thejsms.org/index.php/JSMS/article/view/1107
>Frequent following of Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok influencers was positively related to materialism. Active followers of YouTubers had higher purchase intentions, but they were no more materialistic than their peers
This study is notable as it tracks buying behaviour as well as materialistic attitudes, so it puts a definite price tag of some sort on the behaviour; also it's one of the rare surveys with data collected from children.
There are other interesting studies as well. For example, one which linked Black rap and bling couture with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to enjoy 50 Cent and Dr Dre. And the brilliant and famous one which linked breast size with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
>the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
does that mean all the most successful and wealthy people in the world are ass-men?
haha no; the study only focused on breast size and not the choice between tit and ass
it would be interesting to conduct a corresponding study on ass size preference, but I don't know if somebody already has
My gut tells me that poorer people will prefer more exaggerated sexual characteristics of all types.
heh no idea
this topic is far out of my field, and I'm not keen to do a deep dive on my own time
there is some research that wealthy people are more likely to do facial cosmetic surgery, whereas poorer people are more likely to do buttock and breast enhancements. the latter you can definitely call sexual characteristics, but would you consider an idealised nose to be an exaggerated sexual characteristic?
I personally believe that wealthier people prefer slim athletic bodies. I've only ever seen the "lower classes" go for E cups and forty inch asses. no doubt there is a wide range of tastes, but as with all social sciences we're talking balance of probability here, not absolutes
>actual scientific research to prove that the obvious is still true is very useful and needed
also, AFAIK that's the only study that dared to test the connection
obviously it's a subject that very few university research committees will green light
>preference for ass
see above
TLDR the rich do facelifts the poor do butt and boob jobs
I think it's an industry term (not sure, WAAY out of my field) and I have no idea what it means
maybe the little concaves on the sides of some butts?
>I personally believe that wealthier people prefer slim athletic bodies.
I think this is connected to being successful and being able to have the time to work out and eat well.
Probably. I knew a few wealthy individuals. They are almost obsessive about health. ((Health)), not looking good per se.
>obesity
the study asked men to rate images of women. it might be a contributory factor, yes, but I doubt it. Iunno lol
another interesting finding of the same study on breast preference: men preferred bigger breasts when they were hungry, and smaller when they full.
>Large breasts often = obese or overweight subjects/variables in research because its never controlled. I found a study looking at brrast sizes in Europe measured in mL's and it literally tracked 1:1 with obesity rate
makes sense
>The exceptions were based Dutch and Danes
true masterrace
These studies might not control for obesity. Large breasts often = obese or overweight subjects/variables in research because its never controlled. I found a study looking at brrast sizes in Europe measured in mL's and it literally tracked 1:1 with obesity rate. The exceptions were based Dutch and Danes.
>ass size preference
oh lmao there actually is
>hollow (athletic)
Hollow is a weird word for something like that.
>For example, one which linked Black rap and bling couture with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to enjoy 50 Cent and Dr Dre
Often, actual scientific research to prove that the obvious is still true is very useful and needed.
> And the brilliant and famous one which linked breast size with poverty, ie the poorer you are the more likely you are to prefer bigger breasts.
What about preference for ass though?
Was there ever any doubt?
nah, brainrot like Q nonsense, flat earth, moon is fake and so on is like catnip to bored suburbanites (look at this huge conspiracy! my empty life now has fun and excitement!) and they spread it like russians spread aids.
only way social media will die is when ai makes up 95% of all "interpersonal" communication, except the same boomers are precisely the people too fricking stupid to realize they're not talking to other people
genuinely no idea. he's been blatantly wrong or caught shilling bullshit so many times but for some bizzare reason people still care what he shits out.
Bizzare is I several times caught mainstream media in my country citing him as an expert. I guess it's because he writes for Bild that gives him credibility in their eyes.
The sad thing is Bild is just a tabloid, I don't know why everybody outside Germany has it on so high steem, it's the sun for krauts.
Being confidently wrong to the right audience who wants to believe you rather than the truth is enough to get you clicks in this moronic post truth internet world.
this
Jesus christ, what context was this in? He's fricking fuming.
He is always fuming no matter what context
Look at his fricking head
Look at the state of his 'military career'
Look at how the only people who don't incessantly mock him are disgusting subhumans even he can't bear to associate with (except for Choke Redpill, lmfao)
He has no family, no prospects, he a traitorous worm waiting for the boot to finally fall
And he knows it
iirc it's from a youtube discussion in 22/23 along with some other zigger symphatizers. actually he was relatively relaxed but he regularly has those neurotic spasms at certain points, especially when he's about to provide an answer.
probably his smoothbrain combing through all the lies and fantasies he's concocted throughout the years
It is fascinating that a man with the constant energy of barely concealed anger disguised as smugness has the exact appearance to match.
There is some greater force at play here, and it is most certainly not one helping him.
I like to imagine that at least some of these people have accidentally convinced themselves that they are right as a result of this
You can say the most ridiculous bullshit, and an average joe would believe it as long as you say it confidently.
It helps when yo delete information disproving you and ban countless people so there's less true information responding to you.
>being proven wrong by reality on a daily basis for years
This is fine for a religion or a cult.
Money. If you’re wrong every day but the pay check clears every week, you’d develop some cognitive dissonance too
Idk about Ropke, I want to know what keeps Armchair going, dude is immune to new information.
There's demand for contarianism.
You can safely assume that some of those shits are getting paid to post. Yes, it's not fair to assume that every stupid person on the internet is a bot or a paid shill, but, hey, at least that gives their intelligence some benefit of the doubt while compelling you not to waste your life engaging with them.
>paid
Or extorted with records of CP
Ah yes
>Scott Ritter, twice convicted over honeypots
You don't extort Scott with CP, you bribe him with it.
Do both, get him cumming and going.
Yeah that's a really interesting throughline. While it's true that more powerful states tend to try to influence smaller ones, that's not the same thing as being able to attribute all actions of smaller ones directly to larger ones. Ukraine has repeatedly now both as a people and a state, shown itself very invested in removing itself from that very kind of influence over its affairs. But that rejection can't possibly be organic. Someone can't simply have the will and means to resist the gravity of a greater power. It must be someone else's doing.
It's completely infantalising of just about everyone, really.
>Do both, get him cumming and going.
>bribe
>cumming
kek
Why is this meme that Ukraine is Nato still around?
Russia needs to reduce the humiliation felt at failing to overrun a country by all means they should have curb stomped, so it must be that they're really fighting a much larger threat.
Russia needs an excuse as to why they couldn't take Kiev in 3 days.
The idea is that Ukraine has no agency and can't make choices because they're a smaller poor country. Only the West (TM) has agency and is capable of making decisions and choices. because they have power and money.
This is also why say, Russia and China are always off acting like victims. They don't see themselves as capable of much agency or any type of responsability because its the evil imperialist racist fascist essayist Amerikkka that has money and power and hence can actually act.
If you want to go deep enough you'll see that the Russians and dinks believe this because of the Marxist belief in the "superstructure" of society. It basically goes "has money and economic power >> decides the sub-structure > sub-structure is everything that isn't money and economic power" but commies didn't invent this bullshit neither did they start it. It's basically just a gayer form of determinism.
>It's basically just a gayer form of determinism.
God elected this chuckle for me at the dawn of creation, and it was good.
It's the same logic as to why Tyrone and S'h'a'n'i'q'u'a'h' will never be held accountable for their actions, and the Soviets helped spread that mindset over here.
>Armchair copelord
seethe. He was a shitty officer and he now has an axe to grind against the US. Add in a healthy dose of kompromat and you get copelord.
He isn't paid to be right, he is paid to reassure people who are wrong.
Röpke is either a completely soulless grifter or a traitor (altough the lines seem to blur nowadays)
I think he's just moronic. The Syrian civil war drove this dude nuts.
Alcohol
Who? Jihadi Julian?
It's a inherent characteristic of being a journalist, please be patient.
A lot of people considered "smart" (but aren't) for some moronic reason hold up anything that is German in high steem. Something similar happens with French things in cultures of other languages, like Spanish and Portuguese.
Lack of reprecussions.
Rather actually being rewarded for saying the things people go on the internet to hear.
Modern day internet is a series of echo chambers for your desired viewpoint.
works for Bild, yellow press
Also, the turtle tank works in the sense that the HEAT charge on an rpg7 loses significant pen at 1m+ distance after detonation and formation of the copper stream
>One video
>Drives to front and back to drop off some dudes
>All the other IFVs without the cope also do the same
>Later images show it destroyed in a warehouse
>This means moronation works.
Why do this OP, we have memories longer than two days.
It is funny how these threads could only possibly interest people who already have extensive knowledge about the war in Ukraine.
We are by far the worst ROI for a disinfo strike possible.
Go back to grooming kids on Tik-Tok, Pidor
drone operator was shaking from laughter too much and couldn't hit it
Kys
So they made a jumbo sized tracked APC out of an obsolete tank like a T-55/T-62/early-T-72?
If it can make it this far then:
1. They are past the UA minefields.
2. there is probably a lack of AT weapons available in that sector be it drones or conventional.
My suspicion with these mad max designs we've been seeing lately(assault urals, golf carts, Armored Personell Tanks) must attribute to a shortage of BMP-1/2 and BTR variants and they have resorted to using old surplus tanks that are in a barely running condition that is probably useless as a conventional tank, but can still move from A to B. This move seems to out of desperation to push the frontline no matter the cost with whatever equipment the Russians have left.
>a shortage of BMP-1/2 and BTR variants
basically they don't have enough to supply both the sacrificial forces and the exploitation force
since practically WW2 the Russians have operated on a one-two punch model; supported by massive artillery barrages, the meat marches into the grinder and hopes to overwhelm the enemy at a specific point whereupon the better-trained and better-equipped follow-on force enters the gap and hits strategic targets
what is happening here is probably that they're reserving what actual tanks and IFVs they have left for the follow-on forces, and leaving these to the cannon fodder. we did see them commit their actual tanks and IFVs to take Avdiivka for example.
An actual, honest-to-god "they haven't even sent in the real army yet" poster in this, the year of our Lord, 2024.
>"they haven't even sent in the real army yet" poster
what I mean is that half the army HAS been wiped out so they have to reserve the remainder, idiot
>use their actual tanks in the first stages of the Avdiivka offensive
IINM they used their actual tanks in the latter stage, and that is what created the breakthrough
however they had to commit basically the entire Leningrad Military District in a divisional attack to do so, on top of the meatgrinder units
>actual tanks
Well they did use their actual tanks in the first stages of the Avdiivka offensive, but stopped deploying them en masse after the huge losses at the start.
The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went? It is a highly costly approach in terms of manpower. For how long can the Russian authorities hide the losses from the public? Ironically they might be better off with dead soldiers than maimed ones since dead soldiers do not talk.
>The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went?
its obvious you have never seen a real vatnik gears in action. The answer for them would be fricking ukrop nazi hohols killed beloved Vanya. They must pay for it!
>The big question is how many times can they keep on doing this before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went
If they ask that you send them to where Vanya went, simple.
>before people starts asking where their husband Vanya went? I
Do you think Russian women miss their husbands? They will only miss the money
>Do you think women miss their husbands?
Nope
They're just sending their old shit, like the US is.
Akchually, if the shed is kept far enough away from the hull then it would be able to force the typical HEAT warhead to go off far enough away that the jet can’t penetrate to the inside. The newer cope caps of their newer tanks also does that but Ukies are good at flying FPVs at targets at low angles to hit rear and sides avoiding the cages. This turtle tank makes it so that there’s no easy access to any vulnerable aspect from small HEAT warheads.
Current meta with top-attack munitions exploit the fact that armored vehicles will always be thinly armored on the top. But HEAT has a major downside vs ballistics — the performance of the penetrating jet greatly decreases the further it travels, so triggering them early reduces their ability to penetrate. So little warheads like cluster munitions and those little RPG rounds may not penetrate the vehicle whereas a high-velocity ballistic penetrator would go straight through the thin metal and barely lose any energy. I’m sure larger and longer warheads would work but that’s not the inventory Ukraine has built up. I’m sure the Ukies will hustle something up, but for now these things will be tough for them to handle simply because of how thread-bare their situation is.
This isn't really true, for a notable drop off in penetration you need over 2 meters of standoff space at the minimum for even weak old RPG-7 warheads. Most HEAT charges actually INCREASE penetration as standoff distance increases up to a point. To give you an idea, a PG-7VM 93mm projectile has about ~175mm of standoff on a 93mm charge diameter. Most shaped charges have an increase in penetration up to 6-8 charge diameters. This means if an RPG warhead is dropped onto the top of this thing then even with 1 meter of spacing, you're looking at ~12 charge diameters or so. In most cases you're looking at roughly equivalent penetration from 2 CDs compared to 12 CDs as the parabola starts to dip back down again. In other words, a PG-7VM dropped on top (assuming the 1 meter between roof and top of turtle shell) will still go through ~300mm of steel at that distance. Most T-72s/T-80s/T-90s are going to have 40-60mm of turret roof armor, with less over the engine area. That means in this hypothetical scenario you will need 2-3 meters of spacing (~24-32 CDs) to reduce the shaped charge velocity enough for the roof of the turret to protect the crew, much less the engine. Of course this implies a precision made charge and doesn't take into account the very minor effects of the thin steel shell but I think it's a safe bet that at minimum you'll need 2 meters of spacing to be safe inside the tank crew compartment
Stand off curve for PG-7V warhead
now compare that plot with this, PG-7VM from 1969 that is the most common PG-7 for FPVs (the 7V is shorter).
Some drones even have the larger PG-7VL from the 1980s. Compare 2ft of the 7V vs 720mm of the 7VM
why not remote trigger them or put on one of those radar modules for Cars? there must be 100k+ on dumps all around europe alone that would still work good enough to trigger at the right distance of 30-40cm if you glued it on the round. they are also tiny so it would not degrade the flight performance
Cost, complexity, reliability.
The simplest solution to achieving ideal standoff is a simple nose probe, as used on the Panzerfaust 3 and RPG-29 (introduced 1989), with the advantage of pre-detonating any reactive armour.
There's just so much old Cold War ammo with the same fuse design flaw, that slat/mesh armour is still, situationally, useful.
where do you take the data from?
ehhh. thats a simulation...
A simulation validated with empirical tests.
Based effort poster.
>PG-7V* family
>Precision made charge
Maybe the 7VR and possibly the 7VL but the 7V /Ms don't hold a candle in terms of CD performance to post-80s + ATGMs.
The other thing I can think of is that the huge shell obscures the shape which makes drone operators and ATGM gunners think for a little for where they're aiming at (aside from just outright flanking with a drone and ramming it into where the engine is approximately at). Still the roof is toast if the drone plunges straight down or a TOW-2B's EFPs punch straight down.
You're forgetting about the roof ERA. While yes standoff is not great at stopping modern warheads, you simply cannot look at standoff RHA curves to judge performance against ERA.
It's likely that the actual purpose of this is to defeat the tandem warhead and increase ERA performance, not to decrease RHA equiv. penetration.
All the the standoff armor has to do is to neutralize the small primary charge so that it no longer has enough energy to set off or damage the ERA. You would need to look at the standoff penetration for the small primary charge, not for the entire munition. Given the smaller diameter, it's likely that the penetration will drop off greatly with standoff.
>Most shaped charges have an increase in penetration up to 6-8 charge diameters.
Where the hell do you get that kind of information?
>Jihadi Julian
I think the chance of a general Russian breakthrough this summer is not high. Zelensky has already said that if it comes down to it, without aid, they’ll be forced to contract the frontline — which means ceding a significant amount of land, but also consolidating the front making an actual breakthrough a lot less likely. There’s a minority chance that the Russians can degrade Ukie power grid enough to make large-scale movements difficult resulting in a weak point that the Russians can identify and punch through without the Ukies being able to address in time. If the US wasn’t involved there would probably be a breakthrough already — but thanks to US satellite and ELINT coverage there’s no way the Russians can hide any significant level of staging and movement in preparation allowing the Ukies to position defenses to respond as needed. If the Russians are able to degrade their power grid and transport (ie electric trains) they might be able to build up a breakthrough force without Ukies being able to respond quickly enough. I just think that’s not very likely due to the fact that the Russians won’t be able to build up enough stand-off strike packages to actually cause widespread loss of power to key parts of the economy and transportation in that timeframe. They took out a couple of major power generation plants BUT Ukies are just buying from neighboring countries. They’ll have to hit a LOT of power infrastructure, not just a few power plants — maybe they’re planning on just that but we’ll have to wait and see.
Yeah but Russia has no capability to exploit a breakthrough. Even if there is a gap, they have no mobile forces that are capable of pouring in there and widening it. They have no means to supply them either. Plus Ukraine still has their mobile reserve that was planned to be used in the failed counteroffensive. The only option for Russia is a slow grind.
God I can't wait for tanks to get replaced by killdozers.
The birth of a new specialized anti drone weapon!,
Do real living people actually use Twitter?
Every one of these threads is full of completely 24/7 online posters saying "ukraine is done." Under every thread. They've been doing this for 2 years now, every one of these types of posts they just sit online and respond with that same shit, all day every day.
>Do real living people actually use Twitter?
Only the people who use it for porn.
I'm only half-joking saying this.
>julian roepcke
>bild "zeitung" "journalist"
twitter threads of such cretin should be a bannable offense. Picrel:
>russophobic
Gotta admit this guy is a curious one. You can find his name on the ministry of foreign affairs of zigger federation accusing him of being a HATO shill from February 11, 2022 in an article named
>Examples of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
bizarro world
>Examples of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
Fricking kek
of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
clown world, they never took any of that shit down too
of the large-scale disinformation campaign by the Western media, hyping the claim that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine
amazing that this is still up
https://mid.ru/en/press_service/articles_and_rebuttals/rebuttals/nedostovernie-publikacii/1798160/
It's moronic though. A key part of using a tank is visibility, you'd know this if you weren't a moron from /chug/.
Why are you comparing the second army in the world to the poorest, unstable and corrupt country in Europe?
Oh no Julian says it's bad for Ukraine? Truly I am now sehr demoralized
Eh, it's not uncommon for tanks and other vehicles to come to the frontline and then retreat "succesfully" if they don't step on a mine or receive a direct hit. It's not like it tanked real hits or anything.
I'm not even sure what it did before retreating. It seemer super clumsy and aimless.
Just wait till it hits a mine and the crew has to escape from underneath all the freshly mangled metal...
>unable to do it's main job (fire teh gun)
>zero visibility
>probably almost impossible to bail out in case of being hit
I mean, yeah i guess not all nu-hertzers got destroyed instantly, but how does it proves anything?
It’s also possible that this is how regular assaults go all the time and we only get footage of the successful kills, this time because of how strange the vehicles are they were posted even if they didn’t manage to kill it
what assault? it doesn't actually do anything
the only cult i'm in is the cult of the horsewiener, anon.
I like how we're used to seeing anything russia makes instantly bursting into flames to the point where this shitheap not immediately being seen in pieces means ukraine is finished
I don't get why everyone here is seething. It works, so what's the problem?
>Ukraine wastes an AT system on it
>AXAXAXA dumb hohols waste expensive HATO wunderwaffe on smekalka*~~*~~
>Ukraine happens to not shoot the shitheap
>PUCCIA STRONK NEW TECHNOLOGY AGE REACHED*~~*~~*~~*~~)
What anons constantly fail to understand is that there people aren’t doing "propaganda" per se, ie, deliberately trying to program the audience with a desired thought or set a discourse. They are simply following a narrative direction their audience enjoys; all they care about is engagement, clicks and views. To them, being pro-Russia isn’t about getting paid by a Kremlin handler or oligarch, it’s simply about delivering content his audience enjoys. Being the truth or well-researched / considered is secondary — in fact, he probably gaslights himself as necessary as an emotional coping mechanism. He sees himself not as a predator manipulating morons into holding counter-factual beliefs but rather as someone who identifies with and on the same side as his audience.
>anon hasn't figure out that actually evil people exist
Genuinely malicious and sadistic people , those who perpetuate suffering for the sake of suffering and nothing else, are outliers. Your average evil person is too stupid or blinded by selfish reasons to recognize the damage they are causeing. Anyone is capable of evil if they ever abandon introspection and become unvigilant of themself.
>Your average evil person is too stupid or blinded by selfish reasons to recognize the damage they are causeing.
They recognize it but they also think that "it's not that bad, it's a net win for everyone", "it cost them nothing", "they owe it to me".
Monkey brain can justify a lot of things if it benefits him.
>like they did with the so called cope cages
There's a difference between an angle iron gazebo meant to stop ATGMs (they can't) and fence netting meant to catch Lancets or drone drops instead of letting them fall through an open hatch.
Very nice, I like it. I hope we see more of this weapon in the battle for Chasiv yar and Kramatosh.
Is this the lastest russian thing the vatniks will memoryhole when it eventually turns out to be just shit?
Looks like its time to use napalm specifically made for tanks
I dunno man, I think regular napalm's gonna work just fine
Hide them on cardboard boxes, MGS style.
>ropcke
if the tank cant do anything to drones, choppers, atgm launchers, arty etc anyway, what do they lose with such an enclosure?
if it works, it works. anyone who is mad about it is a homosexual
Now that there are FPV-proof tanks, we clearly need APFSDSFPVs
The russian tutels have actively eaten shit, I've seen atleast 2 videos of this shitbox smoldering
Actually, first such tank was destroyed by artillery fire.
They are sorta hard to hit only by drones, for now.
"For now" is an important part
Because AI-assisted guidance is solving the EW problem
Then there are mines
>Actually, first such tank was destroyed by artillery fire.
And Ukraine has a critical shortage of artillery shells...
>They are sorta hard to hit only by drones, for now.
... And Ukraine, to make up for its artillery shortage, is using more drones in place of artillery.
Somehow everything is perfectly fine though and you miss these details and the implications here. Quit being fricking moronic - Ukraine needs help. Trying to undersell the threat they face only ensures that more people will think they are not in as dire of a situation as they really are, thus thinking aid isn't very important(which it very much is.)
This is why we have morons saying
>"oh well den i guess ukraine not need the aid!?"
inb4 banned for posting this
>And Ukraine has a critical shortage of artillery shells...
Dw, based Czechs collected found like 1+ millions of shells and funding for them too
Landship meta soon.
Can we talk about the effectiveness of these tanks?
Not really because technically, we haven't really seen much of them, since they seem to be relatively recent. They're also not publishing research about the effectiveness of the cuckshed versus anti tank munitions, for some reason.
But realistically
cons:
>probably weighs a frickton, with all the drawbacks associated with it
>turret can't rotate
>poke your head out of the hatch to look around because you can't see shit from the inside
>still can't see shit
>get hit, tank starts to cook
>the cope pagoda is in the fricking way, slows down your exit and gets you and your crew killed
pros:
>it maybe, possibly, potentially prevents some FPV drones from instantly pulverizing your tank (to be tested)
>the drone operator is going to be laughing too much to be able to properly communicate your position over comms, giving you a tactical advantage
Since it can't see or defend itself except from straight ahead I'd say its not very effective. Also supposedly they're using these aberrations as IFVs or APCs which I don't even know what to think about that.
of course it works, they wouldnt risk making themselves look like massive morons if it didnt save their lives
in the end it doesnt matter how pathetic you look if it keeps you alive, soldiers from every era knew that
back when plate armor first started to gain traction people thought it was goofy and pathetic for the same reasons people laugh at russian cope cages, so early armored soldiers tried to hide the armor under fancy jackets (pic kind of shows what i mean)
>they wouldnt risk making themselves look like massive morons if it didnt save their lives
Because troops have never made wacky field modifications that make little to no sense to their equipment and vehicles. Come on now, anon.
Someone post the tank with a basket full of rocks hanging from its turret. Or the truck with logs strapped to the grille and the sides. Or the vans with fricking ERA bricks taped to them. Or that one tank with a bucket hanging from a pole welded on the back of the turret (that one wins most original)
If I remember right at least some of those trucks and APCs with logs were to be used if the vehicle got stuck in the mud, they'd use the logs to remove it from it.
>back when plate armor first started to gain traction people thought it was goofy and pathetic for the same reasons people laugh at russian cope cages, so early armored soldiers tried to hide the armor under fancy jackets
You're a fricking moron. That is not why surcoats were worn.
>Reduced sun heating of armor in the summer
>Kept you warm in the winter
>Kept mud and rain off metal to reduce rust
>Identified you to your allies so they could tell who you were
I like how the ziggers are
"REEE~!!11 DON'T LAUGH! IT'S A NEW WAR META!111"
*special military meta
https://suno.com/song/54f81b56-f0e3-4b24-baba-1c875b595b68
Even just for the sheer fact that it gives confidence and placebo it's better
>Not a single one destroyed on the field yet