>it takes 11 years (probably more) to make new aircraft carriers in the US
that is fricking ridiculous
>it takes 11 years (probably more) to make new aircraft carriers in the US
>it takes 11 years (probably more) to make new aircraft carriers in the US
that is fricking ridiculous
How long does it take your country to make one?
Correction: CAN his country make one?
Can his country afford one even if it was given to them?
we're still working on a third one sirs.
That's cute man
Is the average 11 years?
no Australia can't make shit, which is way worse
still doesn't make 11 years ok
What makes noguns come to this board?
Can you explain yourself to me?
Legitimately curious
stay on topic muttoid
when faced with a dog fricker and a nogunz aussie, I hesitantly side with dogfricker
t. chinaman living in Australia of all places
Not for long
Are you going back to China to become a liveleak video?
Will you be a lathe accident or electrocution?
Do you have the Australian accent yet?
The topic of you having no aircraft carriers?
Pretty sure since we have like a fricking dozen of them it makes it just fine. Go ahead and catch up if you guys think you can build em faster.
what hurts me when reading about Australia is knowing how much they could do with such a small population and fairly desolate country but simply choose not to. Like they could have at the very least a V/STOL carrier and a domestic auto industry but they just choose not to
>domestic auto industry but they just choose not to
holdens were cool
Our politicians are moronic and/or selling the country off to the highest bidder.
This goes for the Anglosphere as a whole. So much potential that is being squandered. Breaks my heart as a burger
Does it matter? Bad practice is bad practice.
Not having aircraft carriers is bad practice. China's don't even work properly.
We have the largest aircraft carriers in existence, nobody else has one as big, and we have 11 (eleven) of them
America is just that fricking amazing and based
God I love this fricking country
chinkshills are seething over https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60603103/
right now.
they cried to get that thread removed, waited, made another bait thread related to china, then that post got removed because some janny is active
chinkshills you wanted to talk about peaceful reunification!
we are still waiting for the peaceful reunification with those lonely mothers and daughters of yours.
sharing is the communist way!
I'm not sharing Chang's mother and sister, they belong to my wiener alone.
Maybe you're alright, tripgay
>peacetime production of warships and materiel is slow
in other news, water continues to be wet and OP will never stop sucking wiener
The gerald ford took 11 years because it was the first of its class, and there were a lot of problems. The next ones will be faster
Offbeat Oregon: Vanport residents built nearly half of US WWII aircraft carriers
During the first year of the Second World War, the conflict in the Pacific was all about aircraft carriers. With a carrier, one could take the fight to the enemy. Without one, one could only huddle on an island as a passive target, waiting for an enemy carrier’s aircraft to arrive and attack.
When the war broke out, the U.S. had seven of these precious warships, but only three were in the Pacific. They were the actual targets of the attack on Pearl Harbor — the Japanese knew if they could get them out of the way, they’d have a free hand for at least a year. It had taken more than three years to build a regular full-size aircraft carrier before the war. Mobilization would cut that timeframe to under a year, but that was still a long wait.
The Japanese almost had a free hand for that year anyway. Much of their equipment was just more advanced in 1942, especially airplanes. By the end of that year, the U.S. was down to one carrier. Both sides were hurriedly converting existing ships to bolster their fleets, but it certainly looked, from far away, as if the U.S. was not too far from ending up in that helpless position that the Japanese had hoped to put it in with the Pearl Harbor attack. Carriers were rare, complicated ships, hard and time-consuming to build. Japan had lost four of their best ones at Midway, but they still had at least six left.
And that’s about the point at which Henry Kaiser decided to go into the aircraft-carrier business.
Henry Kaiser, of course, was the man behind the Liberty Ships program. His various shipyards, including the Columbia River operations in Portland and Vancouver, were pumping out one of these slow, ugly, huge freighters at a rate of one every three days. Thousands of them. More than any submarine fleet could ever hope to sink.
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In fact, they’d been so successful that Kaiser had shut down Liberty Ship production at the Vancouver yard to keep from making too many of them. It had switched over to building LSTs — “Landing Ship, Tanks” — the big cargo ships equipped with cavernous bow doors that could basically beach themselves at low tide, open their doors, and disgorge tanks, Jeeps, trucks, and just about any other kind of rolling stock, which could just drive right out onto the beach.
This was the shipyard that Kaiser wanted to use to solve the carrier problem.
The Vancouver shipyard could not build full-size fleet carriers — at least, not without considerable retooling and the loss of all the mass-production advantages that Kaiser had built his reputation on. They might be able to build an 862-foot-long, 100-airplane carrier like the U.S.S. Essex, but it would take them 10 months to do it just like it did everyone else.
What he could do, though, was build something a little bigger than a Liberty Ship in aircraft carrier form. His Vancouver yard, he told the Navy, could belch forth fifty 512-foot-long ships, each with room for 27 airplanes, in less than two years.
The Navy authorities were not very impressed with this plan. Carriers of this size were known as “escort carriers,” and the reason for that designation was that they were mostly used to escort convoys, so that they could have some air cover against Nazi submarines in the Atlantic. They were good to have, but the Navy didn’t see them being useful for actual offensive operations and all in all would much rather have Kaiser keep pumping out LSTs.
Kaiser didn’t argue the point. He just went straight over the Navy’s head to the president of the United States — or at least to some of his close advisers.
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The upshot of that was that, on Nov. 3, 1942, close to the darkest hour of the war in the Pacific, Kaiser’s employees at the Vancouver yard left their homes in Vanport on the Oregon side and reported for work on the first of these mass-produced escort carriers: the USS Alazon Bay (later renamed the Casablanca).
The Casablanca would be the first escort carrier ever built from the keel up as an escort carrier; previously, all other escort carriers had been converted from existing ships. It took a little longer to build than a Liberty Ship would have; it was bigger, more complicated, and the first of a new type. It wasn’t launched until five months later.
But it was quickly followed by the Liscome Bay, the Anzio, the Corregidor, the Mission Bay, and 45 more, in quick succession. By the time the last one had hit the Columbia River, it was only July 8, 1944. They had built 50 aircraft carriers in 16 months.
By the time the run was finished, the Navy brass had completely changed their minds about these little ships. They turned out to be incredibly useful. This makes sense, of course; by simple arithmetic, four pint-size carriers with 27 planes on each is the force-projection equivalent of a full fleet carrier.
So the Navy had gone from one full-size aircraft carrier, to the equivalent of about 15 of them, in a year and a quarter (plus the other full-size carriers that other yards were working on during that time).
Imperial Japan, on the other hand, had gone from 10 carriers at the start of the war, to five or six. Its complete output of aircraft carriers, including the ones it had on hand at the outbreak of the war, totaled just 29 ships.
cont
As for the ships the Vanport crews were cranking out, they were literally game changers. Unescorted convoys had been easy meat for the Nazi submarines; the addition of an escort carrier with a couple dozen planes circling around dropping bombs turned them into hornets’ nests which a U-boat commander might only poke at his great peril. Submarines had to be very close to the surface to launch torpedoes — close enough to be seen and hit by one of the constantly-circling airplanes.
In combat, the escort carriers’ numbers, size, and lack of armor left their crews feeling a little ambivalent about them. They called them “Kaiser Jeeps,” which was a little confusing later on when Kaiser Motors merged with Willys-Overland in 1953 and became Kaiser Jeep Co. Their military designation was CVE, which stood for “Carrier Vessel, Escort”; the crews joked that it really stood for “Combustible, Vulnerable and Expendible.”
In the Pacific, their finest hour came in the Battle Off Samar, in October 1944, which was basically the last battle with the Imperial Japanese Navy. It was a classic hopeless “last stand” type of battle which the Americans had no business winning, but somehow did, albeit at great cost.
The setup was a Japanese gambit in which they hurled a small carrier force against the main American fleet, lost a couple big ships, and raced away. The commanding admiral fell for it and gave chase with everything he had, leaving the American troops landing on Leyte (part of the campaign to retake the Philippines) with no air cover. The main Imperial force would then show up, launch its planes, and hurl the Americans back into the sea — that was the idea.
But luckily for those American troops, three Task Units (“Taffys”), each consisting of six escort carriers and several destroyers and destroyer escorts, remained behind.
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When the Japanese force — a huge armada composed of four battleships, eight cruisers, and 11 destroyers — slipped in to attack the landing troops, they ran right into one of these three Task Units — Taffy 3.
These little unarmored ships, with their handful of light 5-inch deck guns, turned back and defeated the main force of the Imperial Japanese Navy that day.
To be fair to the Japanese, the battle wasn’t as one-sided as it might have seemed. Among the three “Taffys,” the Americans had about 450 airplanes at their disposal — equal to the complement of about five full-size fleet carriers. The Japanese force had no air cover at all beyond a handful of catapult-launched seaplanes.
Nonetheless it was a spectacular success for the little Kaiser-built carriers.
After the war, Kaiser’s “Jeeps” were true surplus; there wasn’t much they could be used for. Their power plants were the main reason for this: due to wartime shortages, they had been equipped with obsolete steam engines that provided enough speed to keep up with convoys of merchant ships, but not enough to be very useful to a peacetime Navy. The surviving ships were fairly quickly mothballed and then scrapped. None of them survive today.
Which is kind of a shame, because the Vancouver-built Casablanca-class escort carriers remain to this day the most numerous carrier class of all time; no other class comes close. In fact, those 50 escort carriers represent almost half of all American aircraft carriers built during the Second World War. (Japan, by contrast, only managed to build 15 during the war.)
Not a bad showing!
fin.
significantly based when one persons sheer personal will and ambition drives thousands of others into working towards the same goal, and then makes a significant change
kinda like the navy guy known as the grandfather of us nuclear capabilities
Thank you for the writeup anon. I'd heard of liberty ships before, but the rest is very interesting!
Thanks for the effortpost anon!
Effort posters get the rank of flag and a full week in port says the Admiral
>it takes over a decade to make a floating nuclear powered and nuclear capable air base/munitions depot/steak restaurant/air port/UFO contact platform
How fast can your do it, dalit?
11 years for the first of a new class with a lot of experimental technology. The later ones can be built much faster. The US built 10 Nimitz carriers from 1968 to 2006, which is 1 every 3.8 years.
>oregonians thinking they matter
It does seem a bit silly, but that number will go down over time.
In any case, you could make a credible case for these shiny new aircraft carriers being the greatest war machines in human history. Making aircraft carriers is hard work, as evidenced by all of those who tried and failed.
>Retired Ship Yard Worker Here "Subs".
OP, A new ship design like the Ford there's a huge retooling and construction learning curve.
Once that is out of the way On Average, 5 Years from Keel Laying to Commissioning.
Making a supercarrier is an intense process. You want to do it right so you don't end up with, for example, a cracked flight deck.
it's a small city
>why does it take Amerika so long to build these nuclear powered floating cities capable of enduring sustained combat operations anywhere on earth at a moment's notice?
we're just brown and lazy, I guess. those chinks sure are showing us how it's done.
>why arent we maintaining WW2 production rates in peace time!?!?
I swear we have this thread once a day, be it about tanks, planes, boats etc etc
>my country could theoretically make one
>have the industry and access to skills
>it'd be so prohibitively expensive as to bankrupt the navy
frick
>it takes 11 years (probably more) to make new aircraft carriers in the US
Have you ever seen one up close? It's a marvel of engineering. You are making a skyscraper that can travel and has to resist the might of the ocean.
US: 2009-2017 to build the largest warship ever constructed the Gerald R Ford. ~100,000 tonnes displacement.
UK: 2011-2019 to build the second of their current QE class. 65,000 tonnes displacement.
FR: 1989-2001 to build their current flagship the Charles de Gaulle. 41,800 tonnes displacement.
Looks like roughly a decade give or take a year or two is normal for most modern aircraft carriers. Considering how large the US carriers are compared to their closest competitors in the UK and France it's astonishing that they get them built so quickly. Even more so when the UK class are a lot less mechanically complex as they decided to slow roll out an upgrade program from cope slope to assisted landing to full CATOBAR over the service life of the ships instead of starting with it (I bet some Humphrey in the MoD is very smug about that scheme).
If you're able to build it faster you're probably cutting corners somewhere, and that results in things like we've seen with the chink carrier's deck cracking which slows down the project and keeps it in dock for constant repairs even if they say it's finished.
Enterprise is going to take less time r-right