It is well known that Malaysia is facing issues with maintaining Russian-made Su-30MKM and is trying to get donation of ex-Kuwaiti F-18s to keep their 8 F-18D operasional because of insufficient budget. Yet Australia, which is Malaysia's ally in FPDA, refuses to provide Legacy Hornet despite the threat to Malaysia from China, and instead prefers to transfer to Canada and Ukraine.
If Australia is serious about strengthening regional defense capabilities - which is their excuse for AUKUS - against China, it should provide these aircraft to Malaysia
Or maybe Australia realizes that giving weapons to shit skins is a lost cause. And the f-18s would be best used by white Europeans to kill vatBlack folk
White European Christians.
if they weren't all muslims australia would probably be more willing to help them
Malaysia already has Hornets and is being offered APG-79v4 upgrades. Fun fact, they were the first Super Hornet export approved in 2001 (despite not buying).
and have you ever wondered why most Singaporean planes and maintenance are hosted in the US and NZ? While Malaysia gets to overhaul their own Hornets and even USMC planes alongside Russian made Flankers? And host even ANG F22s in exercises?
No it's not about having ample airspace. Singapore has the means to do it in free waters off Malaysian and Indonesian radars.
It's simply because the US couldn't risk it. No matter how much Singapore tried to make themselves look like SEA Israel.
It's not just about airspace (or even maintenance), its mainly about the need for the larger land space to conduct live firing/air-to-ground exercises and combined arms manoeuvres; we absolutely have local maintenance facilities lmao
We already have our hands full with Mudhens and Vipers, the latter of which we are aiming to replace with the F-35; not sure if Hornets will do us much good here
Shut the frick up. Singaporky pig
kys i could colonise you and make you forget your roots overnight
The US isn't selling you Lightning IIs, I leave it up to you to come up with an answer as to why. You won't buy Russian again because, well, you've probably b seen what's going on in the world. That means you'll get Rafael or KF-21 if you're lucky, or god help you Chinkshit or Pajeetshit if your corrupt 1MDB meme economy swirls any deeper into the shitter. Swedes aren't going to sell to you either.
Singapore has reciprocal basing agreements with the US and you don't. Cope.
Despite the fact that Malaysia is a larger and more strategically important country when it comes to countering the PRC in the South China Sea, the US ... has chosen to favor Singapore diplomatically and arm it with latest equipment like F-35 and HIMARS and give them basing rights in Guam. While Malaysia's armed forces facing budgetary constraints. Yet US only provides token assistance to Malaysia such as donating maritime surveillance radar and MPAs. Just because Malaysia in the past adopted a principled neutral stance and refuse to support illegal US war in Iraq, Israeli occupation of Palestine and condemn Russian war in Ukraine.
Ironically, Singapore are nothing but a Chinese b***h. Just another Chinese province. Don't agree? Just look at who in charge of Singapore Armed Forces.
I don't know how it wasn't clear to me until now that your obsession comes down to race resentment. Sorry that Singapore is majority ethnic Chinese and you kicked them out in the 60s (because of race resentment). It's not their problem they're economically and diplomatically more successful than you.
Also strategically more important, lmao my guy Singapore owns the Strait.
Singapore was kicked out of malaysia because they are Asiatic israelite. They want to be chinese so badly that they will instantly surrender any F-35 given to them. China allready has the plan, but a functioning frame and the plan would make them the most likely nation to devellop a 5th gen plane. Its giving f-16 to turkey all over again, yes it makes sense, and yes it could see some use, but its almost garanteed to bite the us in the ass down the line. There is allready a massive effort of technological catch up done by china, and giving them physical object is clearly a mistake. Chinese hood is all about ethnicity. It doesn't matter where you were born, what you do or in which country you are. If you are Han Chinese the chinese government considers you chinese clay and sees you as something they rightfully own. You are part of the hive wether you like it or not. These engineers will be hunted and coerced until one snaps and hand over his notes. They are nice, but they aren't fighting for their survival yet, and thus they can't be trusted. Its exactly like north korean exiles who get coerced into ratting other exiles. No matter what you do they are going to get inside.
>lmao my guy Singapore owns the Strait.
Don't tell me you're the moron who keeps comparing Singapore with Israel even though they're nothing alike. Surrounding SEA states are not an enemy of Singapore since they keep it afloat. Singapore was granted independence, and all their food is imported from Malaysia and Indonesia. All their construction material is imported. Unlike Israel which has irrigation and agriculture, Singapore is entirely dependent on neighbors. If Malaysia and Indonesia blocked trade and maritime access, Singapore would collapse.
If the two states wanted to team up to subjugate Singapore, it would give in easily. Eat shit, you autist.
>copypastes literally hundreds of posts across threads and boards
>accuses others of autism
Galaxy brain.
I'm being sarcastic since you won't be able to tell from my facial cues.
>If the two states wanted to team up to subjugate Singapore, it would give in easily.
The RSN would put their combined naval tonnage at the bottom of SCS based on sub strength alone. And that's before the new heavy frigates come online.
okay buddy, why not try the embargo? 12 hours in, you won't have an air force, the SAF will be in Muar
In a war between Malaysia and Singapore, ATM will use a Combined Arms strategy which uses navy, airforce and army to win the war. This is how it would goes: air sirens goes off in all our air bases and the TUDM goes on the offensive. All jets at Butterworth, Kuantan,Gong Kedak and Subang are scrambled, whilst the jets in East Malaysia are placed on alert. Malaysian air defence radars will pick up fast moving aircraft intruding into Malaysian airspace and despatch fighters to shoot down ruthlessly. The combined SU30MKM and F/A 18 overwhelms the RSAF outdated US-made F16 defence fighters while F15SG are destroy on ground by ASTROS rocket and artillery fires. The few survivor that take off are suddenly ambushed by an unexpected threat, hidden low flying MIG29K that are secretly reactivated as a trump card arrive from an unexpected angle from hidden airbases in the jungles. Astros missile artillery launches destroys all of SG airfields in an instant, killing all the planes on the ground. TUDM SU30MKM and F/A 18 fighters launch bombs that level all of Singapore's main infrastructure, MBS and Changi Airport israeliteel is now burning.
Malaysian naval ships and submarines scatter to sink and destroy Singapore’s navy and merchant navy, concentrating near the straits, as there is air superiority from destruction of RSAF. The 8 frigates Maharaja Lala class and Lekiu are overmatching the Formidables are the RSN frigates sunk in a salvo of brutal NSM+MM40 outranging their outdated and inferior harpoons. The Scorpenes easily detect and sink the obsolete Swedish made Archer class and Challenger class using Blackshark torpedoes. Being older and so becoming noisier, even AIP able Archers has no chance as the submarine dogfight has KD Tunku Abdul Rahman and KD Tun Razak the victorious hunters. The RSN stops existing as a fighting force
>scenario assumes Singapore is invading Malaysia
Are you moronic?
Singapore is the Israel is South-east Asia. They'd invade in a preemptive attack.
When is the last time a substantially smaller country unilaterally invaded the core territory of a larger one? Victorian era 1800s?
Six day war was 1967.
You might also count the Congo wars.
>Six day war was 1967.
60 years ago and not that big of a difference in sizes (relative to Singapore vs Malatsia, British vs. Qing)
>Congo wars.
I don't even understand how this would apply. A civil war into an invasion by a roughly equal size country followed by a clusterfrick of nations. None of that is fitting the criteria. What am I missing?
See above
Singapore vs Malaysia is much less one-sided than geographical size suggests. Singapore has a population of 5 million to Malaysia's 30 million, that's closer to Britain (20 million) vs China (400 million) in the 1840s , or Japan (80 million) and China in the 1930s
Also a more favorable ratio than Israel (3 million) against Egypt, Syria and Jordan (40 million) in 1967
>Singapore vs Malaysia is much less one-sided than geographical size suggests
I was never talking about geographical size, population was the clearly only valid comparison.
>Singapore has a population of 5 million to Malaysia's 30 million
Have to be honest, I was recalling that Malaysia had 50-60 million. Don't know where that came from but yeah I just checked and clearly I was wrong, my bad.
>that's closer to Britain (20 million) vs China (400 million) in the 1840s
>Japan (80 million) and China in the 1930s
I think it was more like 500 million for China once you add in all the chinese territories. But yes, this is a good inclusion and is probably the last legitimate example of it though was seen as fairly backwards (last century) at the time.
Syria had independence by then. Where are you getting your population figures from?
Rwanda 1996
>hidden airbases in the jungles
>malaysian air defence radars will pick up intruding fighters
kek, you monkeys got caught napping by MH370, do your radar operators even work or are they sleeping 24/7?
Make some money and spend it you Kuala-cuck
>a principled neutral stance
If Malaysia is neutral then why does it care for US support for Singapore?
Surely this neutrality in all matters means Malaysia has nothing to fear from China. I mean why would China target a neutral country that isn't sympathetic to the US foreign policy.
Australian F/A-18 should be given given to Malaysia while Malaysia passes on their Fulcrums to Ukraine
no months of training or new logistics burden on ukraine
rmaf wins (spares/extra plane)
uaf wins (extra plane)
raaf wins (disposal cost)
usmc wins (they can buy kuwaiti spares too)
china loses
Sounds like a good opportunity to further ease Ukranian pilots and crews into being more familiar with and using Western weapons and systems
Not this shitty bot again.
Also Malaysia is still deep inside China's ass.
>Relying on the US for parts and maintenance and playing their stupid political games
It's dangerous if the weaponry leans more towards the west, especially America, the strangest policy is, the fighter jets have been purchased but their use requires permission from them
For F-18 Malaysia, the Malaysian technician was not given the source code for the settings when there was a mission, they had to report to America first. And again, Turkiye, just because they bought defense equipment from Russia was kicked out of the F-35 program, remember that before Indonesia was embargoed, the Air Force was paralyzed
>FPDA
>There is no specific commitment to intervene militarily, and the agreement is merely consultative.
>Also no record of explicit requests by Malaysia for the RAAF to supply Hornets.
Between 2017 till 2023, RMAF has been eyeing on Kuwaiti AF F/A-18C/D Hornets as part of Interim Strike Fighter programme.
Not an argument.
Australia is a sovereign state and does not require "excuses" to make whatever foreign policy decisions it feels like.
Frick off mate, it's Russian-killing time.
As an Australian, I think we should give them to the Switzerland of the Pacific region, Singapore.
This so much this.
Australia should instead give its F-18F Super Hornets to Malaysia as it is replaced with F-35A
Buy your own shit, c**t. We're not replacing the Fs anyway, they were an interim solution that we decided we liked so it's an augment now.
Kalaulah senario terbaik TUDM dapat F-35 (Mungkin 36 buah dgn 2 skuadron). Dia paling logik sbb upgrade dari Hornet TUDM
every morning in the shower i negotiate with myself how much money i will win in the lottery
>18 SU30s for 38 F35s
What
a malay schizo post, nobody will give them shit for their rustbuckets they dont even have parts for to fly them again
This is why everyone and I mean everyone laughs at Malay Monkeys
I know this is yet another one of these Malay troll threads but I'll give an informative response anyway for anyone interested or who doesn't know otherwise: the Australian Super Hornets weren't being considered for sale because their airframes are approaching the end of their lifespan and are no longer suitable or economical for long-term military use (unless of course you're a moronic leaf who can't afford new planes and would rather buy some used high-mileage bangers)
The only reason it's being considered to give them to Ukraine is because they're throught of as disposable - they're going to either get sold to private companies in the US that do military pilot training for the US govt or they're going to get sold for parts/scrapped. The alternative is give them to Ukraine, where they can see some brief military service for a year or two where it won't matter if they're lost on high-risk missions, during which time they'll fill the gap as the Uke Airforce is rebuilt and replenished with newer and better aircraft.
Anon a) they aren't Super Hornets, they're -A model legacy Hornets that were upgraded with avionics to be roughly -C model equivalent, and b) they actually have some added time life on the airframes because the RAAF replaced the fuselage centre-barrels back in 2010, so unlike most other air forces' Hornets of similar age, these have quite some hours left on them.
Both Legacy Hornets as well as Super Rhinos should be considered for donation to Malaysia. The Legacy Hornets can be used to supplement RMAF F-18D while F-18F replace Su-30MKM
Buy your own shit. Wanna be a first-world country? Act like one.
maybe if you donate the Su-30MKM to Ukraine, being advanced WP planes they're familiar with.
swings and roundabouts, nothing wrong with pass-the-parcel
Su-30MKM are more valuable than standard Flanker because Malaysia has already upgraded to use Western weapons. So Ukranian pilots do not need to be retrained to fly them (unlike F-16) due to similarity with UAF's Su-27, but can still use Western supplied munitions including crucially JDAM and Paveway.
SU-30MKM avionics and its weapons system were mixed between Western Block & Eastern Block. Malaysian SU-30MKM are the only Sukhoi SU-30 series that capable of using Sidewinder, Paveway and JDAM. Currently RMAF is able do do SEAD with Su-30MKM + Kh-31P. SU-30MKM "Growlerski" is also the first ECM/EW Sukhoi platform designed and build outside Russia.A multi-role platform with SAP-518 ECM pod and mix of SAP-14 jamming pod is considered similar to the United States ALQ-99 jamming system installed on the EA-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler. Funny thing is the Russian are following Malaysian example that successfully integrated Russian-Western technology into their SU-30MKM.
Funny thing is the Russian are following Malaysian example that successfully integrated Russian-Western technology into their SU-30MKM.
>lets trade modern Su-30s which we upgraded to carry western weapons for some busted old Aussie Hornets that won't be flight worthy in a year or two
Yeah it's a real mystery why Malaysia isn't giving away their Sukhois.
>it won't matter if they're lost on high-risk missions
the loss of the jet won't matter but the loss of the pilot will
unless you're using jap tactics
unironically, the malay schizo is correct for once. The ukrainian pilots are used to slav jets for now and so are the maintenance crew. Give them the sukhois.
Let the malays deal with maintaining/upgrading old super hornets.
You can bet Malaysia was approached on this subject beforehand by Australia and said no hence why the Hornets will be going to Ukraine directly.
>The ukrainian pilots are used to slav jets for now and so are the maintenance crew.
There aren't many slav jets left in the world owned by countries that'd be willing to hand them over. Maybe the sensible thing to do would be to start getting the maintenance crews oriented towards and transitioning to western kit.
>malaysia fails to properly fund its military and is increasingly concerned about chinese aggression
>this is somehow australia's responsibility to bear the burden of fixing by giving away military hardware for free
Get fricked
t. burder
Australia has no business arming Ukraine before regional countries essential to Australian security
>Australia has no business
No, frick you. Ozzies can do what they want with their shit. You don't have an entitlement to it.
That's their call to make.
Is your actual argument that since they gave you free shit in the past they owe you more free shit in the future? Are you that Black personish?
If so, why did Australia recently paid to upgrade the Malaysian facilities at RMAF Butterworth?
Because we fly out of it, dickhead. Buy your own fricking jets.
They need new fighter jets but can't afford them so in their tender they're offering to pay in palm oil lol
just do like singapore and buy f35s anon
US has identified Malaysia as next sales target for its F-35. According to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Potential Market 2007-2030 report, states that Malaysia's need to have the F-35 is medium/high and increasing with the possibility that Malaysia will expand its capabilities due to increasing threats in the region. Internal study by Lockheed Martin on Malaysia fleet requirements for F-35 is classified by the company as 48 a/c. Malaysia is looking for 2 squadron of MRCA to replace its Su-30MKM and F/A-18D within 2035-2040 timeframe.
Contrary to what people say, Malaysia bought russian and american aircraft out of necessity, not simply because of shit and giggles. For years malaysia had been denied access to more modern aircraft because the US is playing favorites with singapore, philippines and thailand. At one point they just said "frick this" and went to the russian instead. America putting both Indonesia and Pakistan under military sanction really spooked Malaysian decisionmaker hence why they're willing to buy russian made equipment which is generally cheaper and russia is willing to accept almost anything as payment.
>Malaysia wanted more F/A-18
>Malaysia looking for second hand USN/USMC F/A-18
>Uncle Sam said no. Instead offered up F/A-18F
>Malaysia tempted to buy F/A-18F but didn't want to surrender their existing F/A-18D as part of buyback option
>Deal went dead
>Suddenly US came back and "hinted" that they may export F-35 for Malaysia if they could permanently stationed their F-15/F-16 in Malaysia because reasons.
>Malaysia said "take that F-35 of yours and shove it up your ass" subtly
Til now American suffering loses because Malaysian opened the market gate for Russian and European arms sales on SE Asia and destroying the American arms sales monopoly.
“Playing favourites”
It’s more about trust
See I recognize this pasta without even checking the archive
>Russian
>arms sales
They can't even supply their own armies properly and any new jet that's not made for their air force is going to Iran to pay for more shaheds.
Why are the Malay-homosexual threads always so pushy and demanding? As though /k/ specifically can satisfy his particular demands, however moronic.8jhwx
the only security australia has comes from being technologically ahead of our neighbours who have much larger populations than us, and having powerful friends.
australia is never going to seriously invest in Indonesian or Malaysian defence because we don't trust you c**ts not to go full dictator. we can work together, but we're not friends. not yet. because you guys are not western democracies.
and before you whine about muh racism we work with korea and japan just fine.
Australia is Chinese property. They will "lose" Singapore and Malaysia, just like they "lost" Indonesia and The Solomons.
I hate MalayBlack folk so God damn much
Bot or highly schizophrenic Malay? You be the judge!
Frick off malaygay. These jets are going out to do some good.
>re: Singapore
The US military, US State Dept, and US civilian "experts" all seem pretty convinced that for the forseeable future Singapore is a reliable ally (in the region) and can be counted on for at least some backing if shit goes hot. Its possible that they are all wrong and you are right, but that's gonna require more than just "I have been there a few times and you can totally trust me."
>give a big pile of fighter jets to our immediate neighbour with a dominant chinese population to use in defense against china
smart
The state of Australian education
> our immediate neighbour
Malaysia isn't an immediate neighbor of Australia, Indonesia is
> dominant chinese population
Singapore is the only country in Southeast Asia with a dominant Chinese population, they are a marginalized minority in Maaysia
chinks are chinks anon. I also don't learn about the cultural differences between chimp tribes.
Why does anyone respond to these seaBlack person bait threads. If you have been any longer than a fricking day you understand they’re just spam
malaysians hate singaporeans to the bone and singaporeans hate malaysians to the bone as both still leech off each other despite being divorced. expect yet another localised neighbour war happening soon
>it should provide these aircraft to Malaysia
Where they don't serve any purpose except very weak deterrent.
In Ukraine they serve the purpose of killing Ziggers.
Once the Ziggers have bled out, Europe will help stable Asian liberal democracies by arming them.
Unless China makes a move today, in which case i would agree with you.