It is time to get a knife. I want to find where the value and cost lines intersect and buy one of the knives there in the middle. Preliminary research shows $8 China knives that look nicer than $300 Swedish knives. Parameters:
-fixed blade with sheath
-$0-$200 budget but there must be a damned good reason if it's over $50
-still usable in 20 years (durable + no shortcomings that will cause feelings of regret)
Currently I'm eyeing the Glock 81 because value is the priority. Note: I am NOT a collector, I hate spending money, and am hoping to bypass the knife collector rabbithole and get some "if I could only have one mid-level knife" type suggestions. What would you get if you could only get one?
You can make your own knife for less than 200 assuming you already have some tools. Then it can be perfectly customized by you.
That's definitely an option. I did work getting my keyboard just right, from Dremeling the frame to filling it with silicone to finding rubber spacers for mounting to switches and lubing and keycaps and blah blah blah. I wouldn't mind investing time into a perfect knife if there are factors that make it a worthwhile use of time.
Seems to fit, thanks. Looks like it'd be kind of hard to get in the USA. I should have noted that factor in OP.
These come up a lot in my early research. Considering that.
Glock 78. I might do that. Not simple to get in the USA but possible...I think production is discontinued. What's your reason for avoiding the serrations?
Lamnia might have some 78 Feldmesser Glock knives in stock. I bought a desert sand version and flipped it. I should have held onto it.
Also I am a fan of Marttiini knives.
It comes to $75 shipped here in the USA. If I could get one for the $30ish or whatever it used to be I'd never have made the thread. Apparently gun warranty registration gave 50% off codes with which to purchase those knives in the Glock store. Missed that train.
These are good things to consider, thanks. I'd primarily be taking it grocery shopping, jogging, disc golfing, walking dogs, etc. You've got me thinking that I should consider two knives, this one for self-defense and without cumbersome EDC. Probably don't need an 8" blade since I probably won't be sticking around for a knife fight.
In context of a quick defense option, does something like picrel make sense? I could see just getting a cheap Chinesium option for that, since it'd rarely get used.
that knife says i dont have a father
The intention would be to have something concealable but that stays in hand after a stab or slash. I've spent the last hour browsing for something like that and it's incredible how few legit options exist. I'm thinking about brass knuckles with a knife attached, basically. Maybe it's illegal.
While I'm hoping to just fast forward past the research on this, I appreciate the points you bring up.
Those actually have the combination of what I need: grippable handle, sharp, decent price. Shit bulls beware the man who dual-wields Moras.
>While I'm hoping to just fast forward past the research on this, I appreciate the points you bring up.
Okay let me get out the spoon. You have three main choices; stainless steel, carbon steel, and high carbon steel. Stainless literally won't stain, it is shiny, is used on all the cheap knives and on speciality knives like SAKs, but is hard to keep sharp once dulled. Carbon is your basic bitch steel, needs more honing and cleaning, can be sharpened easily, and is more durable than stainless. High carbon is harder, better than any of the other in every category, and also somewhat more expensive. I'm not even getting started on multiple layer steels. Basically if you aren't looking for high carbon blades you aren't really looking for something durable.
Thanks again. I'm getting sucked in, as I'd hoped to avoid. Picrel is a screenshot of me sorting Bladehq by blade material. I'll need time to decipher it.
Thing about hobbies is that, if I value my time at ~$30/hour, it's worth more buying a bunch of cheap shit to learn about all the mistakes to make so I can then figure out how to buy correctly, than it is to spend half a day doing research. Did that for keyboards, fountain pens, and headphones. Wanted to avoid it with knives. Hoping to just fall in love with somebody's expensive buyitforlife suggestion based on a picture and video.
Retarded fucking take
Carbon/high carbon in knife terms are effectively the same thing and quality varies wildly depending on the specific steel and heat treatment. High end stainless steels also just objectively outperform carbon steels in terms of edge retention and toughness.
For a fixed blade just buy something from Condor at a mid price. They have alright 1095 and 1075. Buck has pretty decent 420 series stainless if you want to be able to put it up wet.
T. Knife maker and metal autist
>that knife says i dont have a father
How does it know?
>reverse tanto push dagger
push daggers are fine, but reverse tanto shape on a push dagger is retarded and makes no sense. get dagger shape. Cold Steel sells them for a good price.
also i love that you have made it clear you have no real interest/experience in bushcraft or super hard use but the budgetfag retards in here still have to try and tell you to GET A MORA, KNIVES R TOOLS, they just can't fucking help themselves lol
anyway playing "disc golf" or getting groceries with a glock knife or other military knife shoved into your pants "for self-defense" is patently retarded and you should/will feel retarded. filter your search to 3.5"-4". make sure it's mounted on a thermoplastic/kydex/GRN sheathe that you can mount easily, not some boomer leather sheathe. Filter for 8cr13mov, 420HC, 14C28N, D2, AUS-8. you are not a hard user so you do not need a steel that has amazing edge retention, you just need it to not break in half. for a "self-defense" knife you shouldn't really be using it much at all if you can help it too.
the goal is basically to have something that you can carry completely invisibly either on your belt or loose in your pocket, which can be drawn instantly and with little/no telegraphing, and which can stab (as slashing is relatively ineffective with small knives). the idea is you can instantly go from feigning surrender/compliance, to stabbing a vital. or you can go from rolling around on the ground to drawing a knife and stabbing until they get off you. or if nothing happens to you and you never have a self-defense encounter ever (i.e the most likely outcome) at least you were carrying around a convenient low-profile tool and not lugging around a combat knife like a massive LARPer.
>Looks like it'd be kind of hard to get in the USA
Nice Finnish online shop that deliver to States:
My experience is that when it comes to knifes the sheath is almost as important as the knife.
J.P. Peltonen M95 Sissipuukko with the plastic sheath. You're welcome.
Buck 120/119, only difference between the two is the 120 is longer.
just get the glock, but get the one without a serrated back
>go on ebay
>get a random bayonet
You may not like it but this is the peak PrepHole answer.
Honestly this, akm bayonets are dirt cheap and fit the bill perfectly.
When you're right, your right. But protip, get the matching guns.
the SP6 is a pretty nice option in your budget range. indestructible knife. essentially an 8" KA-BAR with a better tang.
plastic can be a knife
almost anything can be a knife
a pencil can actually kill someone
if you think you need a bad ass damascus steel masculinity compensator in a leather holster
well you're dead before you can even fumble with the release button
practice your draw
when you draw, it should be into a lethal blow
like you should expect blood to spray on you
it's called reality kid
go play csgo and buy a cute little pink karambit
self defense is not a video game
weapons are not for you
>when you draw, it should be into a lethal blow
Just like my Japanese video games
Someone needs to make a holster or sheath that plays the MGR OST whenever you pull out your weapon.
it depends on what you mean by this. do you want a knife that you could realistically carry around in daily life, and possibly employ against an assailant? or is this about getting a big knife to go with your soldier LARP kit?
a genuine, practical self-defense knife is going to be much smaller than a glock knife or similar tactical sharpened prybars. meanwhile realistically most soldiers also don't need a really big knife. picrel is a good balance between tanky tactical fixed blade + reasonable size and good sheathe. assuming you are actually the type to take your knife outdoors, you will regret having a big stupid knife stuck to you because you minmaxed it for le combat
If you are going by 'looks' alone there is no hope for you. Start by understanding that steel quality is the game changer. Will it hold an edge after you hone it? Will a chop damage it? Do you want high maintenance carbon steel or low maintenance stainless steel, and do you know the difference?
buy like 15 moras
Honestly not much of a knife man, but have been using some knives for everything outside now. Also used the Glock knife. The Glock knife is fine, it doesnt do anything very good but isnt bad at anything either. But if you want one "do-it-all" knife, look for this: Steel thats not just hard, but easy to sharpen (The blade WILL become damaged, being able to restore it easy is a must). A full tang (Otherwise it will break with heavy use). A standard blade (saw on the back is fine, but teeth or saw in the blade itself makes it hard to sharpen and awkward to cut, wouldnt recommend). I personally really love the prism blade like pic rel, or a tanto point. But this last point isnt that important, balde steel is most important, then full tang, then every other design point. Also with knives i would avoid the "tactical" knives and go for makers of traditional outdoor knives, or classic combat knives. Eickhorn is fucking great, but where you live probably expensive
>a full tang
Glock knives don't have one and are indestructible. There are plenty of others which are equally strong without having a full tang.
no they are not. take the glock knife, try to open a bunker door or something like that with it. Try to dig out a rock with it. Thats just physics, it will break at the weakest point, with no full tang knives it will break out of the hilt. With full tang it will only break when the blade itself breaks. Dont get me wrong, glock knives are good and resilient, but as long as it doesnt have a full tang it is not suited for the heaviest work
When they break its not at the tang you retard
Go watch joe x
>Try to do some shit that you should not be doing with any knife ever
People like you are why everything is sharpened crowbars now. A knife is a knife, treat it as such.
Glocks and moras don't have a full tang and they are very tough knives.
>Glocks and moras
But that's not how you spell snobbery.
If owning a Mora is snobbery then owning a fork and spoon is sheer decadent luxury.
Get one, there's no reason to get something more expensive for what you're asking of it. A 78 without the serations might probably be a better pick but in the end it doesn't matter all that much
Buy the cheapest knife you can find that's of acceptable thickness to you. When it breaks buy another.
Knives are for actual use and you shouldn't expect a tool to last forever just long enough to justify its price.
Why the fuck aren’t you already looking at morakniv?
I guess if you are in USA and want something less than 200 that is still actual quality and Made In USA, you should head to the Buck homepage and look at their selection of friggin 38 less-than-200-bucks variants of rigid blades.
SOG Seal Pup. 50 bucks.
CRK Green Beret
Now if i was looking for a small fixed blade, preferably cheap what should i get? I want to poison it so it really just has to last one fight. Also knifes with sheaths preferred.
What poison do you have at disposal that has a noticeable effect within a 20 seconds long knife fight? Also, do you have an effective antidote for it as there is a considerable risk your blade will be used on you?
Secret oriental poison of course
20 seconds none. Best i can do is about 30 mins so i want this to be a final fuck you. I got a mix of a few different substances so that even if he gets to a hospital no one will detect them all on time. I half wanna larp and half make sure that the bastard dies be it 30 mins or 3 days. Now im trying to think of how to keep it on a knife so my initial idea is a soaked cloth in the sheath.
You have to be at least 18 to post here.
You're an idiot.
At most, even if you can coat the whole blade, and it has a 100% transfer rate, you're getting maybe .5-2 mg of agent into a wound, this is also tantamount to intramuscular, which is far less effective administration, but since it's be a cut or stab, probably even less efficient, since the bleeding will flush the compound(s) out.
There is nothing I can think of that in these amounts intramusculaly would cause any real problem, outside perhaps radiological.
Name 1 poison that has a median lethal intramuscular dose of 1-2 mg/100kg bodyweight, that also takes effect within 5 seconds.
But in reality whatever they used on Tom Clancy was as top shelf as poison gets
Stab your enemies
>Currently I'm eyeing the Glock 81
They are pieces of shit
Within your specs:
High tier: esee 4 in s35vn
Mid tier: cold steel leather neck sf in D2
Low tier: civivi elementum fixed in D2
>$40 for a fragile, dull, hunk of soft mystery steel designed to be a bayonet for a meme gun of a military that hasn't seen combat in nearly a century
Spend the extra $10 and get something in 1095 or D2.
Dude I goddamn love my cold steel sr1lite tanto. It's a bit of a chunk compared to most edc folders but it's amazing. Sharp, strong, easy to hold and use. Needed to stretch out the clip a few times, that's it.
I have full confidence I could stab the shit out of someone with it. Mine costed 35 dollars. The only "light" thing about it is that the steel is lower hardness than the 125 dollar version. I find that good actually, the stupid hard steels in Hypebeast instagram knives today chip easy, break easy, and are way harder to sharpen up. And expensive.
You're knife is a tool, not a weapon. It's a weapon of circumstance when you need it but 999 times out of 1000 it's being used for bush crafting shit. You don't need to break 300 bucks on a swedish specialty or buy a glock 81 which I can tell you from experience, is glorified trash just because it has glocks name on it. Buy a Mora companion heavy duty, they're cheap as fuck, durable as hell, will last you EASILY 30 years if you look after it and the cheap price at great value means if you do somehow fuck it up or loose it, you're not breaking the bank to replace it. Alternatively, there is a Finnish line of knives that are just as rugged and cheap as moras which are also good value for money, I just can't remember the name.
>Buy a Mora companion heavy duty
Seems like a good way to start. I see that the blade only extends partially into the handle. Would it stand up to stabbing a shitbull?
This anon knows what's up. But the Glock field knife is apparently actually decent and held up really well in Joe X's test. Great combat knife because the steel is soft (probably around 55 HRC) and will bend rather than snap (a broken knife is useless, a bent one isn't). Also really easy to sharpen in the field but that is secondary.
Are shitbulls made of steel where you are from?
>Are shitbulls made of steel where you are from?
Nearly. Thick everything and they don't much care about pain. I'll rely on pepper spray but if it comes down to the knife it needs to be sturdy. That video was perfect, thanks for all the interaction. After all the browsing and research this morning I'm well on the way to becoming a knife fag, despite wanting to avoid it. I knew this was going to happen.
The plan is to modify the holster to carry it sideways on a belt when I run. So far I've only been chased by playful dogs but I came across an off-leash shitbull on the trails last week and realized that my fellow citizens aren't just LARPing online about how cutsie wubblies Mr. Squiggies is...they're actually housing these beasts and letting them roam.
Appreciation for everybody who offered knives and advice. I've catalogued the recommendations and learned some things. Gonna go with a cheap Mora Companion Heavy Duty to get the mistakes out of the way and then jump into $50-$200 territory from there.
This, I have that exact same Companion in a kydex sheath I carry IWB with the sheath anchored to my belt with paracord, they're so cheap that you can wipe your prints and toss it and get a new one and not break the bank.
This diagram has been known to be garbage for ever.
It's only one school of thought, the other school of thought is the Bowie fighting knife school of thought, which is more focused on incapacitating slashes to limbs in a direct confrontation. Neither school of thought is wrong, they are simply different strategies to accomplish similar objectives.
There is objectively false assertions of human anatomy in that infographic
Either way, you bleed to death in 2 minutes with major trauma to the subclavian artery, 1-2 minutes if pierced through the aorta/heart, 2 minutes with major trauma. Like yeah, the timetable of death is way fucking off but you still bleed to death very quickly and as your blood pressure drops in those 1-2 minutes you have a harder and harder time grappling and wrestling with the guy who stabbed you in those areas. If you damage the throat severely in the process of severing the major neck arteries, they will have some trouble yelling out to allies about what's been done to them. Muffle them and wrestle them for about 30 seconds as they get weaker and weaker.
The tactics generally work and were in fact used, it's not fuddlore, the timetable is just way off.
Where are you going to use this for 'self defense'? Most states have laws prohibiting the conceal carry of knives larger than 4 or 5 inches and with a knife like this you'd have trouble concealing it anyway. If you want a knife for defense that would be practical i'd get a folder thats has an emerson opener or an automatic action if you can carry that legally.
If you want a military style knife for larping I would suggest getting something more practical. The glock knife is a bayonet, not really a knife. It has a very wide angled edge and a relatively soft steel making it pretty bad for anything other than stabbing people. Geber and cold steel make good offerings like the strong arm or srk. If you want an actual tool just get a mora.
True fighting knives fit firmly into two categories. Offense and defense, I'd argue a Fairbairn-Sykes style fighting knife is exclusively offensive and its efficacy completely depends on the target being unaware. Once they are aware of you and your plan to stab them, it turns into a regular knife fight, or you brought a knife to a gun fight.
Depending on their skill and speed and your athleticism, you may or may not win that fight. But you are guaranteed in both scenarios to be severely injured and there is a decent chance you will die later from the encounter- meaning that when you use a Fairbairn-Sykes, you should generally think of it exclusively as a highly concealable ambush weapon.
If you can't get the drop on the bad guys, it's likely going to get you killed if you try using it. Complete roll of the dice.
A Bowie fighting knife however is the opposite, it's defensive. A guy who knows how to properly wield a bowie will wipe the fucking floor with any other knife. Bowies have the length and heft to literally lop off hands, fingers, arms, leave massive deep cuts in soft tissue and muscle fibers. Bowies could incapacitate with a few well placed slashes, they have the length and the weight to really provide and advantage.
With a sharp edge and proper edge alignment, very, very effective- especially if you can get close enough to cut off arms or hands. The natural human instinct is to protect the head/neck to take your arms and cover up these areas, that's basic primitive instinct. That means that if someone didn't expect you to come at them with a Bowie and you've already closed the distance and their first move is to protect their head/neck by raising up their arms- you've already won. You're going to be able to cut their hands/arms off or severe so much muscle that they won't be able to use them.
Obviously a high quality Machete, Gladius or Seax is superior to a Bowie in all of the qualities listed, but we're talking about knives, not gardening implements or swords. If you were in a scenario where it makes sense to carry one of those, then you're not in the market for a knife. A Bowie is far more conHispanicuous than other knives, and much larger and high-profile. Border-line impractical to conceal, but it is still a knife and it is still possible to conceal it, although difficult.
So yeah, equally skilled users, one of those would have the advantage over a 9 inch Bowie and keep in mind I am referring to 9 inch Bowies, there are Bowies that are 14 inches long which to me is sword territory and you'd be better off with a Gladius in that situation. However I would make the bold claim that a Bowie is the superior knife fighting tool to all other knives.
And the strategy used with dirks, daggers, fairbairn sykes style knives, is still effective with the Bowie, although the Bowie is far more likely to get caught in bone and get stuck in the body- which those knives are designed not to do. You could still theoretically use a Bowie for that but it is sub-par for that specific task.
If you're looking for something that can actually be a bayonet on a rifle, then there are a ton of good bayonets, it goes without saying a Bowie is better for bushcraft and knife fighting, a Bowie is superior to practically any other knife for actual practical knife work which, if you use it, you will be doing 99% of the time you own it. Unless we go full brazilification, I doubt you would actually need to know how to use a Bowie in a knife fight.
Although if you were going for a bayonet for a rifle, get a fucking Ka-Bar. Minimum length for stabbing and still very usable for bushcraft. Less likely to get caught in bone compared to a Bowie, actually historically proven and tested and fits as a bayonet with tons of fucking after market shit to make it work with different guns.
>The glock knife is a bayonet, not really a knife. It has a very wide angled edge and a relatively soft steel making it pretty bad for anything other than stabbing people. Geber and cold steel make good offerings like the strong arm or srk. If you want an actual tool just get a mora.
This has to be bait.
How am I baiting? I own a glock knife, it isn't a good "knife"
You didn't need to type all of this up. When people are talking about a knife for self defense they aren't talking about a knife duel in the old west, they're having it because they want something to keep a mugger or homeless guy away and for whatever reason they can't carry a gun. No offense but diatribes about knife duels are completely irrelevant to 95% of people asking about a knife as a defensive tool.
You just disagree and don't know how to articulate it, that's okay. Buy your shitty 300-400 dollar knives that aren't actually useful. I am providing helpful advice, and ESPECIALLY the situation your describe "to keep a mugger or homeless guy away" you would want something like a Bowie. I'm simply providing the information, which is verifiable, and allowing anon to make his own choice. I took time out of my day to try to help him and explain the nitty gritty of it to him. If you want to be a colossal gay and just refer to useful and informative discussion as a "diatribe" then you probably just dislike the truth and don't know how to defend your knee jerk reaction against it.
I don't advocate spending a lot of money on any knife. I just don't care for your philosophy behind your advice which seems to be based on knife on knife dueling which isn't practical anyone regardless of how true or interesting it is from a historical perspective. I do agree a bowie or dagger is the the best for specifically stabbing people, but I doubt that is actually what OP wants or that he could practically carry either of those options.
The material world remains the same, knives are everywhere. It goes without saying that there are more knives than guns floating around the civilian world. A lot of the time, people view guns as an escalation to knives in a defensive situation, obviously that's wrong and both are lethal and deadly weapons when used correctly. The chances of you running into some guy on the street with at least a decent folder is extremely high, higher than your chances of running into some guy with an EDC. Literally statistically more likely.
If you are on a budget buy a mora. There are a larger version of the companion called "allaround" or something like that. Very good knife and it's cheap. If you are a poorfag go to aliexpress and buy popular knifes there, chinesium is still miles better than the knives our grandpas had. But beware knives with no reviews.
OP you dork. Ya nerd. You really think its a good idea to carry around a 11 inch knife? Are you autistic? Are you trying to scare away women and not have sex? Do you think you're cyber punk or something?
If your m mind is made up on wanting on carry a fix blade, try to aim the over all length to be 8 inches. You dont want to be carrying around a chonker of a knife all day sagging your pants down. You will feel like an idiot.
Get a TDI Investigator. If you need to use it you can pop it out, grab, and hockey punch with it.
But if you need something bigger because you want to be cool, and your stat, county, township, whatever the fuck your local laws allow, I suggest CRKT M16 Fixed blade. Its not stainless by any means, but its big, very concealable, and very sharp.
>try to aim the over all length to be 8 inches.
THATS FUCKING STUPID AND NOT WORTH CARRYING.
8 inch overall is a sub 4 inch blade and a horrible handle or a 3 inch blade with a passable one.
its not worth the effort.
hell most folders with 3 inch blades come out to 7-7.5 overall.
your basic ass mora 511 is still over 8 overall.
the 511 handle is retardedly large. you could absolutely trim that down an inch and still have a full size knife handle.
cold steel click n cut
it's cheap, good enough blades you can sharpen and keep up until they're done and then replace, or switch out for a different one that's better for whatever you're doing
it looks innocuous if you're ever searched
it's like $25 so nbd if you lose it/abuse it/need to dispose of it
Just a heads up there is a folding click and cut model too. Midways having a CS sale so I figured why not. Thanks for the idea Anon
mk1 trench knife, not an easy carry but worth it
Ek Model 4. You're welcome
Glock is meh knife adapted from AUG bayonet, steel is soft, they are often dull, the sheath is basic piece of plastic with fragile clasp that you cant really mount other way than outside the waistband. For something thats sharp out of the box has decent sheath with good mounting options, Cold Steel SRK/Recon Tanto would be my choice. They are decent utilitarian knives, beside their obvious larping purposes. Cost something like 60$.
"You wanna go around, buy a gun. Go like a white man.”
Defense is just about shape so a solid cheapo works. You dont use it till you attack and edge retention means nothong.
Quality is about alloy, heat treatment, and shape.
I have a kitchen knife worth hundreds that holds a great edge, balances amazingly, and makes trimming and prepping meat a breeze. While looking good.
I'm a big fan of pickrel for the price to performance. It's what I put in my better than you brought kits.
Looks like a shittier copy of thr Gerber Strongarm, and bet it doesn't have as good of a sheath.
This is actually my best knife. Has a tough grippy handle, very thick blade for prying (designed to cut through cockpits and caes, ceramic coating that's hard to wear off from use, has a glass breaker and the greatest minimalist sheath design I've ever handled. I love the shit out of this knife. There's also the Gerber Prodigy which is a different variation.
I don't know anything about the military, guns, or weapons.
What I'm looking forward to on PrepHole are these knife threads
Issues with the Glock knife:
>made of spring steel, a pretty mediocre steel for a knife that rusts easily
>even though they have painted the blade to prevent rusting, there's no paint on the hollow metal inside the handle, when my handle cover broke off, the hollow handle underneath was severely rusted
>also there's no paint protecting the sharpened part of the blade obviously, that's the area you want to keep sharp yet the area most prone to rust, and if you actually use the knife the paint scratches off and creates more rust prone zones
>not full tang, as stated the handle metal is hollow but it's a 2-piece handle with a hollow end
>the saw is pretty unusable, they put the teeth facing the wrong way so you have to stab at something to saw it, when you naturally want to put the teeth on it and pull for better leverage
Very pisspoor knife overall, I wouldn't spend more than the $20 I spent on it. It should be a $10 knife but really I only got it because it looked cool.
I got the Cold Steel SRK 5 for like 50 USD like 5 years ago, its still about that much.
And there's cheese knives in the death star
last saturday i went to a fancy whiskey bar with some friends. they served me one of those huge orbs of ice instead of ice cubes, which i don't like. so i took out my tanto EDC and started smashing the ice ball apart. when i looked around i realized that everyone was looking at me like i'm a psycho. why are people so pussy about knives in public?
Well you did start stabbing your drink with such focus that nothing seemed wrong to you. It's like when I take out my gun and use the front sight to pop a popcorn cornel out of my moler.
Just got this, impulse buy. Popular for a reason. $32
based Minimalist Katana enjoyer
>-fixed blade with sheath
>-$0-$200 budget but there must be a damned good reason if it's over $50
>-still usable in 20 years (durable + no shortcomings that will cause feelings of regret)
Disregard any advice about buck 119, Gerber strongarm, milsurp bayonet. These are great belt knives, but if your only concern is for self defense you will regret anything that isn't small, thin, light, and concealable. You simply won't carry a crocodile Dundee knife every day, but you will carry a small "get the fuck off me" knife. It should be easy to carry, hard to remove from your hand, and not really useful for anything else.
>Benchmade socp dagger
>TOPS street scalpel
Things like this. Mallninja shit that is well made. Get a kydex sheath for it(armatus is good), an ulti-clip, and carry iwb. Last note: get a gun, gay. Knives are the gayest weapons