It is my belief that the trigger safety will fade out and become a niche thing in guns.
Just like grip safety used to be big in early 1900's, but has since been largely faded out in gun design.
Sure, some 1911-level boomers still use it, but most service weapon level guns have switched to firing pin safeties or somesuch.
I believe this to be the fate of trigger safeties too. We are going to go back to more simple trigger styles.
This is my hypothesis, and you are now free to start hurtling the chairs around.
Trigger safeties and firing pin safeties are the same fricking thing
I was referring to this thing here.
This moving part that is separate from the rest of the trigger.
You can have a firing pin safety just as a part of the main trigger mechanism without having that part.
the only strikershit that has been moronic enough to omit the trigger safety is constantly under lawsuits by moronic cops and feds who shoot themselves with it consistently.
They also wear a handgun all the time, hours and days and years, a trigger safety does make sense for handugs. A suppressor and optic is beneficial well, but police don't seem to use that typically.
> a trigger safety does make sense for handguns*
And to simply do shooting drills like up drills that involve turning your safety off then back on.
I do not really understand the purpose of these trigger safeties. It seems like anything that would get around the guard to actuate the trigger would also actuate the safety but maybe I'm just stupid.
dropping the gun or hitting it somewhere
I think the origins are in the way the military specs were worded.
The guns were designed to fit military specs, and the wording was something like "The gun is incapable of firing unless the trigger is fully pulled".
so instead of having an ordinary trigger safety for the striker, they added another moving part so it...kinda has TWO triggers, both of which must be pulled back for gun to fire?
It's a bit redundant system, adding more moving parts. What actual increased safety it has over traditional trigger safety is arguable.
But it sure made possible for Glock to advertise "We have THREE safeties!" ...which might increase sales. It can be marketed as extra safe to have around.
And apparently it was successful enough that other manufacturers who also were quick to make their own glock-clones added that too. After all, you are trying to sell a gun that is fully "Just like glock, but..."
That sounds exactly like the things I experienced during my time at wienersneed shartin.
it's a drop safety. if you drop the gun pointing at the sky the trigger can't pull itself with inertia because the dingus is in the way. that's all it's there for. that's also the reason a lot of 1911 triggers have holes in them. they used to be made out of solid steel so there could be enough inertia for the trigger bar to fire itself if you dropped it, so they put holes in it to make it lighter. modern triggers are made out of aluminum so it's pointless, but they kept the holes because it looks cooler.
Because if you drop the gun, inertia would exert a force on the main trigger, moving it rearward.
But for some reason, inertia would NOT exert a force on the trigger safety, moving it rearward.
q.e.d
No wait, that doesn't make any fricking sense. Look, if a trigger safety does anything at all, what it does it prevent the trigger from being actuated by something that isn't very close to a finger. What that might be, I have no clue. You'd have to study NDs that don't involve fingers pulling triggers (which is like 99% of NDs)
the trigger thingy has less mass and a different axis of rotation
That worked really well for the P320’s safety record.
>Sure, some 1911-level boomers still use it
Why wouldn’t they? The 1911 is the greatest handgun of all time.
Ok, thanks for letting us know your thoughts on trigger safeties.
I hope so. The dingus is only there on Glocks (and maybe other striker-fired pistols) to stop the trigger from moving back and forth when racking the slide, and of course preventing striker-fired pistols from discharging when dropped on the back of the slide. That's fine for striker guns, but it annoys me that the trend has moved on to partially wienered hammer-fired pistols too, mainly Rugers. Those two issues with striker-fired pistols don't exist with hammer-fired pistols, yet it gets included anyways. We'll see where the market goes, though, since trends are moving much faster than ever before.
Having a short, light trigger pull with nothing to impede it is a safety issue in its own right. You don't actually want this. You really think carrying a match 1911 with no safety around would be a good idea? Honestly if you feel like a Glock's trigger is impeding your shooting, you just blow ass at shooting. It's not the market's fault for not designing a wholly unsafe gun for you to carry.
What point are you trying to make? I never said anything about carrying a match 1911 wienered and unlocked.
Two points - that fully wienered single action triggers without safeties or dewienerers are dangerous, and that people who whine about longer trigger pulls are gays that can't shoot.
I think it depends on the fully wienered SA trigger style. The classic hammer back, short trigger pull SA is a bit dangerous for carry, but stuff like H&K's LEM or Ruger's pre-wienered hammer with a bit more takeup doesn't need a safety nor trigger dingus. I don't think it makes the trigger pull on the Rugers any worse, it just looks moronic and doesn't serve any purpose being there.
You type like a worthless homosexual. Glock triggers are functionally identical to any other single action trigger and have no additional safety benefits to them.
Glocks are not fully single action and you haven't shot much if you think two triggers are functionally identical.
They have virtually the same trigger pull as most single actions, pull weight and all. Go frick yourself with your "agshuallly not fully wienered", glock marketing department.
You're not a shooter
You are not an independent thinker
My Glock has a 5.5 lb trigger pull. My Dan Wesson has a 2.75 lb trigger pull. Those two numbers are very, very different, both on paper and in practice.
>y-you're just a Glock shill for knowing that their triggers aren't fully wienered!!!1
have a nice day. If you want to tilt at windmills so much, you should be complaining about Walthers and Caniks and VP9s who all use strikers that are fully wienered. You really are a fricking ignorant dipshit.
>My Dan Wesson has a 2.75 lb trigger pull.
Many 1911s, let alone other single action pistols have a 5.5lb trigger pull. You are not special and for every moron with a tuned 1911 there's a glockgay with an aftermarket trigger.
There's nothing about the partially wienered trigger that makes it safer than fully wienered ones, this is literally just glock's excuse for sloppy tolerances and trigger mush.
It literally is safer. If, somehow, the sear catch safety that prevents the cruciform sear from moving downwards unless the trigger bar has been pulled rearwards failed, AND the firing pin block that prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless it's depressed failed, then the striker would be free to fall and would set off the gun. The fact that the striker isn't fully wienered means the striker won't have enough energy to overcome the spring and won't set off the primer.
You can argue that it's unnecessary, and that the system is safe enough as is, but the fact of the matter is that the only-halfway-wienered striker is undeniably safer.
You clearly don't know how striker-fired guns operate.
>It literally is safer
No it's not.
>If, somehow, the sear catch safety that prevents the cruciform sear from moving downwards unless the trigger bar has been pulled rearwards failed, AND the firing pin block that prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless it's depressed failed
In other words, never.
>and won't set off the primer
It can absolutely detonate the primer anyway. It's not enough to do it reliably but nothing about it is certain that it can't detonate it, unlike the unwienered position.
>You clearly don't know how striker-fired guns operate.
You're clearly a braindead homosexual slopping glock's marketing.
>y-you fell for marketing for knowing how a gun works!!!
lmao, have a nice day
You lied about the safety and are now playing dumb. I hope your glock discharges into what once was your penis.
Again, a gun with a fully wienered striker is, by definition, more dangerous than a gun with a partially wienered striker. You can try to weasel out of the truth, but it's evident to everyone that you're a moron.
You can try to argue that the earth is flat and the sky is green all you want, but at the end of the day, you're just going to continue being a dilettante moron who doesn't know how guns work, because you never actually put any effort into learning anything.
>by definition
You are a braindead moron, by definition.
>inb4 more glocktard whining
Just kys already, sissy.
I own many guns. Some are partially wienered strikers, some are fully wienered strikers, some are SAO hammers, some are DA/SA hammers, and one is a DA/SA striker. You don't know shit about guns, and so you can't distinguish between them and spout things you don't understand. You just screech at people online because you're a fat, braindead monkey.
You've repeatedly lied and made completely unbacked claims straight out of glocktard manual. All your talk about screeching morons is a projection.
You will never be a woman.
You don't own guns, you don't own a penis, and you're not white. Thanks for playing.
Glocks are a Black person gun and you are the dumbest Black person out there.
Good thing I own more than just Glocks. Good thing you don't own any guns. Good thing my ancestors owned your ancestors.
lmao, sorry darkie
You own all the wieners in the hood you squat in, worthless Black person.
you don't even know what a sear is, do you?
you think a trigger is what sets off a gun, lmao
the jig can't comprehend the internals of a gun, he's like a woman
The brown skinned glock prostitute is onto projecting now. All because he got called out and proven wrong when he tried to spread advertising falsehoods that were planted in his head.
Holy frick shut the frick up you fricking autists
You are both sick trying to talk about guns here
No, they're not. Glock triggers are not fully wienered like true single action triggers are. They also have a sear catch on them to prevent drop fires, in addition to the firing pin block.
>functionally identical
You don't know what the frick you're talking about. You're just a braindead dilettante.
It is my belief that you are a homosexual.
Kek in 30 years Glock pictures will probably be captioned
>2 world wars
HS Produkt still has a pretty large market
Grip safeties are moronic and exist mainly because of government moronation.
Trigger blade dinguses are an important part of making modern handguns drop safe. They're complimentary to firing pin safeties.
They're not comparable.
Dumb thread tbh.
Why are "modern guns" so poorly designed that they require dinguses to be drop safe? Non-modern guns didn't have that problem.
Glock marketing
@58759105
all you've done is lie, and in so doing demonstrate you don't know how a sear on a handgun works
maybe watch some youtube videos or something, because it's clear you're too stupid to own guns
you're an embarrassment to your family, and I'm going to stop asking you to have a nice day now, because you're the type of brownoid who will actually do it and I don't want that on my conscience
Lol, the b***h is crying now. Your glock will never be a safer gun than a single action, which it functionally is. Cope, seethe and dilate worthless glocktroony shill.
I accept your concession.
Your mom accepts my dick too.
Heh
The main thing I was happy to see when the P365 came out was that it had a normal trigger made of METAL. The fact that we've all just accepted plastic critical components is sad, and the dogdick triggers are pointless. If you come up too high on them they won't fire.
>just keep your finger off deh trigger!
Says glockgays
>but meh trigger needs this dick on it in case I put my finger in it!
Ok bubba...
the average .mil/police moron cannot be trusted without a proper safety ergo proper safeties will never ever go away in duty pistols