Is towed artillery dead? Looking at the survivability of towed artillery in Ukraine makes me think it's pretty much done. Still useful in conflict with a vastly inferior enemy but otherwise it's missle and drone bait in any conflict where the enemy has ISTR assets.
No, plenty of other shit is static and still very usable. Yes there's greater threats to towed artillery now than in the past, but
>New thing X makes Y obsolete
is never true.
For example gun locating radar has been around for decades and towed artillery continues to exist.
>>New thing X makes Y obsolete
That's not quite what I'm saying though, I'm saying in a near peer conflict it has very little use, still plenty of use shelling peasants.
> I'm saying in a near peer conflict it has very little use
you're objectively wrong, as has been shown time and time again
Care to provide examples homosexual?
It's seeing SHITLOADS of use in the current near-peer conflict that you posted a picture of
They are standing around it because they use it
That rig is situated in Africa, it's from 2013
>They are standing around it because they use it
Did you read the OP?
But new X makes old Y useless a lot historically speaking. Unless of course you bend urself enough to make a moronic argument like
>swords aren't useless because they can still beat unarmed civis
Like, we aren't seeing battleships anymore for a reason.
Battleships are just missile and bomb magnets with hundreds of crew and hundreds of millions of whatever money you choose invested in them. Artillery is cheap, small and uses very little resources. Infantry and old tanks have basically no counter to, unless they happen to be under some kind of AA, drone/air or artillery umbrella, which on large fronts wont happen everywhere.
Numbers are everything, and these are cheaper per unit than self-propelled arty. Ukraine was winning when it had ~2k old soviet barrel and MLRS units, but as they lost a lot of them to attrition and 122/152mm ammo shortage, a hundred or two modern arty pieces fortified by cum rations from US will not save them. You can see it reflected on the map.
152 has been slowly ramped up produced in eastern Europe and they still have most of their 152 artillery pieces, but ok.
>Ukraine was winning initially due to superior Soviet artillery
>Russia never lost from pure incompetence
>You can see it reflected on the map.
Yea it's not looking too shit hot for the ukies
Cope
genuinely can't tell if you're joking or not
Czechia, Poland and Bulgaria and Romania (recent) are currently expanding their 152 production alongside Ukrainian western factories it's only in the 10's of thousands a month for far but they are expanding significantly with US aid money.
Ukraine is also not reliant on only 152, they also have 122 guns of which they still have significant ammo.
Russia has failed to make a huge dent in Ukraine artillery force mostly because the front is focused on one area really and Ukrainian artillery are spread out and I certainly don' rust Russian estimates for destroyed vehicles/howitzers lmao.
The only cope here is your own.
M777 has a longer range that a lot of artillery in Ukraine
The trick is to keep it out of range of Russian artillery.
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In a peer 2 peer conflict they're probably mostly obsolete.
But they're cheap, easy to maintain, reliable and easy on logistics. Sometimes it's all you need.
They're not obsolete at all.
While modern artillery systems CAN counterbattery other artillery, and most moveable artillery is probably better at fire and move than a towed gun, that entirely depends on the capability of enemy systems to also be within range of them. Fire packup and go on light tungsten weapons like the M777 is relatively fast. They can also fire smart rounds that are as effective as any guided missile and are significantly harder to stop/destroy than a conventional point to target missile.
There is always room for cheap effective highly manoeuvrable (Via helicopter or truck) static artillery even in the future drone age, to be combined with your more effective forces, just like infantry, though perhaps less so in deserts with less cover
Redpill me on the viability of a big fricking gun mounted on the back of a truck.
Its just a fancy rock throwing machine.
Humanity has never progressed beyond throwing a rock very fast and precice.
As in military fire capability.
>It doesn't throw
>It isn't a rock
>Humanity never progressed as far as throwing a rock fast and precisely at long range anyway
You are incorrect and also you talk like a gay.
I am still correct.
Truck suspension fails after X rounds fired, immobilizes the gun and it’s crew, killed by counter battery fire.