Is this show realistic? It was created by the same guy who created Zero Dark Thirty and Hurt Locker
Are delta operators THAT good?
I mean i've read "The Unit" and selection process to scoop certain high iq borderline psychopathic, creative individual soldiers to put them to rigorous training to become "grandmaster" at shooting is quite insane. Like formula 1 drivers are best of the best of the racing world with insane reaction times, seems like deltas are F1 drivers of the military world. They seem like that one or two guys at every end of any battlefield match that has like 33-2 k/d ratio.
Has anyone here served with delta guys or met them?
Are they the best in the world?
>Are delta operators THAT good?
After about 4 years, yes
If anything, the GWOT made tier 1 assets misused as frick as it became the instant solution in a box for any and every problem.
There are plenty of deltas telling their story on YouTube. Tl;dw: it’s a total Clown Show, as soon as the element of surprise is gone and the enemy knows what’s up it all goes south. Also most operators get cancer later in life.
Specops are supposed to quickly raid shit (by night if possible), stay unnoticed, deal with locals, laser tagging targets for bombers, stuff like that, not genocide enemy bases like Arnie in the movie Commando. If the commanding officers try to use them like supersoldiers, it's not going to end well.
The thing is what are they actually good for? Raid shit for what? Want to destroy something? Send a missile. Want to kill someone? Send a missile. Want to acquire intelligence? Task the NSA. The only real use of operators these days is hostage rescue. Subsequently they are being sent on stupid missions to do stupid shit without any purpose.
You need coordinates to send said missile, and the NSA is notably limited in its capacity to operate in foreign countries. You’re kinda moronic if you think there’s no application for dudes you can send for months at a time in a hostile area, completely under the radar, collecting info and calling in strikes on enemy camps, emplacements, HVTs, vehicles, armor etc. I recommend you look up the actual mission site for various special forces groups and their past operations
Resolving the typical hostage crisis situation in a foreign country is exactly the kind of mission you should give to them and where they're not replaceable by the average soldier.
>Want to acquire intelligence? Task the NSA.
How is a civilian organization supposed to acquire intelligence in a combat zone?
>some random homosexual on /k/ knows more about operating than the most experienced military commanders the world has to offer
Par for the course i guess
A more European, teenaged thread could not exist
>most operators get cancer later in life
what's that about
They're shit
Hurt Locker was completely unrealistic
>Esnoz
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>rebel fighter lesbian leaders
>CIA black dude is gay and has a husband
they dont even try to be subtle about this shit do they
The rebel lesbos were both portrayed as being incredibly incompetent.
The gay cia dude is gay for less than five minutes. You'll be ok.
I mean, yeah they're best of the best. My overly reductive minimal understanding of US special forces is something like the following. Anons should feel free to correct me but before 5 angsty aspie's reply, "Hur you're a moron", at least try to make it useful.
SEALS
>Jocks that parachute in and quietly kill people at 4am
Green Berets
>Were never there but suddenly the locals got a lot more competent, strange.
SAD
>Basic muscle for the CIA
Delta Force
>Using high level CIA intel to seek out and kill high value targets behind enemy lines while occasionally doing hostage rescue and spy shit.
Combat Controller
>Points at something; it blows up. Arguably the most badass of the bunch.
Delta has its own intelligence and their relationship with CIA is not the greatest. That said, some operator cross over to CIA after their knees to go to shit
Nobody parachutes in anywhere but its a cool skill to have. In GWOT heydey all SOCOM guys - of any variety - did was direct action/raids. Fly up in a helo at night, jump out with a rifle and three mags, kill everybody in a house, take the bodies, leave before daybreak. The agency guys had more subtle intel gathering ops but still ran afghan death squads lmao.
Now I think at least army sf is back to its FID focus.
>Nobody parachutes in anywhere
>What are halo jumps?
>Why are all these SEALS b***hing about parachuting into water with a boat?
Green Berets are the most interesting to me.
theyre the most badass.
pure infantry skills plus leadership
turns a bunch of scrubs in the jungle into a disciplined fighting force
You lost
>bank system changed
>"You losttttttt"?
Uh huh
Banks won. You lost.
Delta Squad is exceptionally good at calling in air strikes
Unironically the most elite are the guys you've never heard of. America recognizes the psych value of propping up their special forces, it's intimidation backed with muscle. But there are guys 10x the OPERATOR who probably work for private entities like the Rothschilds that would destroy a DELTA operator in no time.
>the OPERATOR who probably work for private entities like the Rothschilds that would destroy a DELTA operator in no time.
...who would only get hired if he had SF on his resume, moron.
Yes, but the best guys don't collect $70k a year from Uncle Sam to get their shit blown up because of some bad intel.
They collect $500k a year to do counter intel/espionage/assassinations/etc. for people who have all the intel of the armed forces + their own collections.
Yeah, but what they’re saying is that the guys you’re talking about must necessarily flow through SF. Try not being a frick wit.
>Is a tv show realistic?
Nope, never is and never will be
Kinda, not really. A lot of it just makes you think "What were they thinking?"
If you're looking for something as polished as Zero Dark Thirty or Hurt Locker, you're going to be very disappointed.
Special forces have a lot of training and support, which allowed them to be employed during the GWOT with a very light footprint.
However, the advantage is obviously in their favor when they are raiding people who don't expect to be raided, at night when the other side doesn't have NVGs, with indirect fire support/air assets, which the other side has neither of.
This has led to the mistaken situation that special forces are somehow super humans who will outperform in all aspects. They won't. A normal heavy division will absolutely crush them because they have the firepower advantage.
It's not like Battlefield or COD lol. For example, US special forces are very good at what they do, and a lot of that is planning. But they have had incidents where they have taken heavy losses while inflicting light/no losses on the enemy. This issue has been muddied because Hollywood likes the unconfirmed private version of the story where 3 SEALs kill 30 Taliban on their own, even if there is no evidence for it. If you blunder into guys with an LMG in an area already ranged for mortars you're already fricked regardless of training.
Same if your command moronicly throws special forces into major conventional ops against an armored division (e.g. the poor VDV). No amount of spec ops bravado is going to let light infantry do certain things.
>Special forces have a lot of training and support, which allowed them to be employed during the GWOT with a very light footprint
I think this is the crux of the issue though. Because officials wanted to do ops but didn't want to commit large amounts of resources, SOF have been taking on more and more responsibilities, leading to culture and perception changes (thanks Hollywood). Hell we got SEALs openly killing Green Berets, or SF groups openly trafficking drugs and people. GWOT has completely changed the composition and usage of SOF to the point where it's an entirely different beast than the pre-2000's. Instead of being specialists, they're now expected to be supped up generalists who can do anything, anytime. Personally, I think this will bite us in the ass if we ever get back into a conventional war.
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This whole show is an extended ad to sell video games. They didn't even try to hide it.