>The zigger can't stop being disingenuous.
I know you can't stop projecting since that is all your "Unstoppable" Terminators did before getting abandooned, but there are actual videos from this week of Bradley's killing puccian vehicles with TOW.
Here's the video, /k/oping Black person homosexual. >https://twitter.com/venik44/status/1667422320233705474
11 months ago
Anonymous
>/k/oping
Whats the advantage in outing yourself as a crossborder? Or worse, from /leftypol/?
11 months ago
Anonymous
They lack self awareness and want to win by any means necessary, even if that means they lose...no that doesn’t make sense
11 months ago
Anonymous
>spent less than 5% of Afghanistan's war spending on Ukraine >liberated 50% of the country, got 4 goodwill gestures, destroyed 2000 tanks, 10,000 vehicles, and caused 100,000+ russian casualties >recently liberated 100+ sq km, and approaching Tomak to cut off railhub so we can get another Kherson style goodwill gesture >n-no you're the ones coping
KEK.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This is the one and only video of Bradleys in the war, all others are fake! >Please do not view any other footage, especially the TOW killing zigger vehicles, that was not approved by the Ru MoD!
You are so fricking brown that it hurts.
They're right about 25mm deleting BMP-1/2s. BMP-3 frontally would/should resist it. If they have the top attack TOW then the tank shit is true. If it's an older model it's a toss up on a frontal turret hit, probably more certain for the lower hull. ERA is a factor and IFV's should avoid engaging tanks as much as possible either way. Ukraine is probably happy, it's a significant step up from the BMP-1, they've already said that it has much better crew survivability on average.
There was one recorded instance of a Bradley killing a T-72 in Iraq with its 25mm gun using M919. All tanks, especially 72s, are vulnerable from the side. Especially to autocannon darts.
Remember when we just talked about vehicle performance? And not inject political bullshit into everything.
I think I remember that, wasn't the dude atsuper close range railing them from behind by less than 50 meters and the Russians couldn't figure out where it was coming from?
There was one video where a BTR got behind two Russian tanks and lit them up. There's also another where the BTR shoots between the road wheels of parked T-72 and lights it up (seems no one was in the tank). Pretty easy to find both on Youtube. BTR videos are much better with sound 😀
You might be right, I can't find a good source, and according to MilitaryLand they were equipped with BTR-80s and BMP-1s. Then again, they also list T-80BVMs, so it doesn't fricking make sense and what they posted is probably bullshit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are correct though. Azov fought alongside marines, national guardsmen and policemen-turned-soldiers. The latter 2 almost never get mentioned but a lot of them stayed to the bitter end
You might be right, I can't find a good source, and according to MilitaryLand they were equipped with BTR-80s and BMP-1s. Then again, they also list T-80BVMs, so it doesn't fricking make sense and what they posted is probably bullshit.
There was one video where a BTR got behind two Russian tanks and lit them up. There's also another where the BTR shoots between the road wheels of parked T-72 and lights it up (seems no one was in the tank). Pretty easy to find both on Youtube. BTR videos are much better with sound 😀
I've got them both in my do/k/uments, enjoy
<- deliberately shot the 20mm thick lower hull side, this gunner knew his stuff
<- rear ambush
>M1919
Are the Ukrainians being supplied with depleted uranium rounds? Did they get the special lined barrels for them as well? 25mm is a fairly weak round, taking on a bmp 1/2 still isn’t going to be an easy kill. Better to use their TOWs on armor and save the 242 for infantry and lighter vehicles. >t. 0313
Once again, scouts prove they know nothing about the vehicle.
It would still effective, but you still need to hit critical systems. It’s not going to one shot it like the tow.
Now drain my hull plugs.
Idk the physical thickness but it's apparently able to resist 30mm fired from relatively close range. Idk the voracity of that, but it's about in line with other IFV's like the M2, Marder and CV90 variants all of which should also be able to stop 30mm. BMP-3 is significantly lighter so it's possible it might resist 25mm instead of 30mm if they were lying. Hard to say.
Obvious bad faith thread but the problem we see is that in the Ukraine conflict at least, tank on tank combat is incredibly rare. Bradleys would completely devastate everything in the current Russian arsenal which is where its strength lies, however the Bradley is no more susceptible to a combination of mines, drones, artillery and attack helicopters than anything other IFV really, which is why they were lost (however not anywhere near Russia claims them to be)
About as expected; not a game changer, but it applies more pressure on Russian armor. When they get struck the crew also survives, which is a large benefit. The United States has plenty of Bradley’s, but Ukraine only has a finite amount of trained units that can use them
This is right, but the same is also true in reverse. Training matters more than paper statistics. We don't know how they're actually performing since there's a media blackout. As far as I know, what we've seen so far consists of
- a friendly fire incident from a suspended twitter account https://twitter.com/Sytheruk/status/1667431875793543168?t=Te4kYMChAO8tCAdxuhVtcQ
- A Bradley shooting into some trees https://files.catbox.moe/m2pbs8.mp4
Neither of which are impressive or give much confidence. It should be noted the 47th Battalion is the one using the Bradleys, and they use T-55s for their tank complement. So while they are using a high quality IFV, they're supported by terrible tanks. The battalion's vehicles all can kill anything, but also dies to everything. So training and operational use is the deciding factor.
We've seen them with Leopards though, and Polish OSINT (which was honestly more reliable than most western sources due to proximity and on-the-ground connections) suggested that they were building task-oriented company teams based on more than one brigade. Not sure if this is supposed to be a thing that happens frequently, or just incidentally.
they have to come to the dug in russians right now, who laid mines in between, which russia is pretty effective at doing along with firing off vast amounts of pre-zeroed in artillery. If ukraine had any support at all from the start russia probably wouldnt have any land to defend.
Ukraine has proven that the IFV experiment has been a resounding failure. Weak to RPGs, weak to tank rounds, weak to mines, weak to helicopters. There is nothing on the modern battlefield that the IFV can stand up to, and its reduced troop carrying capabilities has just made it a costly burden. It's time to end the experiment and return to rationality by approving the construction of modernized Gavin II's.
Ukraine has been using Gavins for the past year and half and can't say enough good things about them. Bradleys are inadequate and have targets painted on their backs.
Gavin's beat out Bradleys in terms of armor when the Bradley was first introduced. All the Gavin needs is a modern upgrade, and it will easily surpass the overgunned IFV. The entire role of the APC is to act as a heavily armored transport, IFV's are lightly armored to serve as scouting and recon vehicles - roles that it should never have tried to undertake, but that's politicians for you.
>Gavin's beat out Bradleys in terms of armor when the Bradley was first introduced.
M113s only reach bradley protection with add-on steel armor
>All the Gavin needs is a modern upgrade, and it will easily surpass the overgunned IFV
Or you can just use the IFV thats already there
M113s are only used in roles that are not expected to get shot at like command vehicle
>The entire role of the APC is to act as a heavily armored transport, IFV's are lightly armored to serve as scouting and recon vehicles - roles that it should never have tried to undert
The M113 is not very well armored
The M2 brad is better protected
The M2 is not a scout either, the M3 is
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know what’s a good scout/recon vehicle that still has a M242 Bushmaster on it?
The LAV-25. Literally build to look for Russian armor. Get them over there. I think the US is phasing them out anyways.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The Gavin has plenty of protection when sufficiently upgraded, as the war in Ukraine has shown. Ukrainians used Gavins for thunder runs without issue last year, but this year the new Bradleys were isolated and destroyed. Nothing but expensive targets. Too slow, two conspicuous, and too costly.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's clear you're arguing with someone role playing as Mike Sparks. Just don't engage.
Gavin's beat out Bradleys in terms of armor when the Bradley was first introduced. All the Gavin needs is a modern upgrade, and it will easily surpass the overgunned IFV. The entire role of the APC is to act as a heavily armored transport, IFV's are lightly armored to serve as scouting and recon vehicles - roles that it should never have tried to undertake, but that's politicians for you.
Bradleys are doing fine, they've been fighting on the front lines for weeks now and we've only seen a dozen casualties
When you compare that to the ongoing performance of soviet IFVs like the bmp family it becomes pretty obvious that the Bradley really is second to none
Hey current 0313s, are there FMs in your unit? How’s that going? Can they candle taking the gun in and out of the cradle? Or even just the feeder off and on?
They're making a lot of changes. Things are becoming increasingly different at the zero line. Russians aren't leaving the battlefield the same as they entered.
There were videos of the Bradley killing armored vehicles. So its doing fine in that regards.
They all got REKT before even being able to see the enemy.
Did you miss last week's video of the Bradleys lighting up Russians in the treeline with their M242s, or are you just being disingenuous?
You mean the video of shooting blindly into a tree at nothing in particular?
Or the one of them splatting another Brad in panic?
>The zigger can't stop being disingenuous.
I know you can't stop projecting since that is all your "Unstoppable" Terminators did before getting abandooned, but there are actual videos from this week of Bradley's killing puccian vehicles with TOW.
Here's the video, /k/oping Black person homosexual.
>https://twitter.com/venik44/status/1667422320233705474
>/k/oping
Whats the advantage in outing yourself as a crossborder? Or worse, from /leftypol/?
They lack self awareness and want to win by any means necessary, even if that means they lose...no that doesn’t make sense
>spent less than 5% of Afghanistan's war spending on Ukraine
>liberated 50% of the country, got 4 goodwill gestures, destroyed 2000 tanks, 10,000 vehicles, and caused 100,000+ russian casualties
>recently liberated 100+ sq km, and approaching Tomak to cut off railhub so we can get another Kherson style goodwill gesture
>n-no you're the ones coping
KEK.
>This is the one and only video of Bradleys in the war, all others are fake!
>Please do not view any other footage, especially the TOW killing zigger vehicles, that was not approved by the Ru MoD!
You are so fricking brown that it hurts.
Not even memeing here - how do you know the news telling you about the fake news isn’t fake news?
because they havent been caught 10000000 times doing it
So if I say you’re lying 10000000 times that makes me right? Who caught them?
There was a video of Bradleys shooting at targets at night.
Just like in the hecking harry potter movies amirite?
I don't know I'm worried 10.24 anon. Nato should just give up Finland. I'm just skipping steps here.
Probably THE most moronic ''''''sport'''''' out there. No wonder it attracts Black folk like J*ke P*ul.
Is that Arnold?
why conflate one lie with two truths?
Anon, the shill made four statements
I counted the first two lines as a single statement about the war
They're right about 25mm deleting BMP-1/2s. BMP-3 frontally would/should resist it. If they have the top attack TOW then the tank shit is true. If it's an older model it's a toss up on a frontal turret hit, probably more certain for the lower hull. ERA is a factor and IFV's should avoid engaging tanks as much as possible either way. Ukraine is probably happy, it's a significant step up from the BMP-1, they've already said that it has much better crew survivability on average.
There was one recorded instance of a Bradley killing a T-72 in Iraq with its 25mm gun using M919. All tanks, especially 72s, are vulnerable from the side. Especially to autocannon darts.
Remember when we just talked about vehicle performance? And not inject political bullshit into everything.
Pretty sure he was shooting down at it though from the top of a berm
we also got footage of an Azov BTR killing T-72s in Mariupol last year
I think I remember that, wasn't the dude atsuper close range railing them from behind by less than 50 meters and the Russians couldn't figure out where it was coming from?
There was one video where a BTR got behind two Russian tanks and lit them up. There's also another where the BTR shoots between the road wheels of parked T-72 and lights it up (seems no one was in the tank). Pretty easy to find both on Youtube. BTR videos are much better with sound 😀
I think it was naval infantry, it wasn't just Azov defending that city.
Azov was a mechanized regiment with BTR-4s, Anon.
You might be right, I can't find a good source, and according to MilitaryLand they were equipped with BTR-80s and BMP-1s. Then again, they also list T-80BVMs, so it doesn't fricking make sense and what they posted is probably bullshit.
You are correct though. Azov fought alongside marines, national guardsmen and policemen-turned-soldiers. The latter 2 almost never get mentioned but a lot of them stayed to the bitter end
I've got them both in my do/k/uments, enjoy
<- deliberately shot the 20mm thick lower hull side, this gunner knew his stuff
<- rear ambush
first video is exactly what I was talking about, thanks anon
>M1919
Are the Ukrainians being supplied with depleted uranium rounds? Did they get the special lined barrels for them as well? 25mm is a fairly weak round, taking on a bmp 1/2 still isn’t going to be an easy kill. Better to use their TOWs on armor and save the 242 for infantry and lighter vehicles.
>t. 0313
You’re a terrible 0313 if you don’t know that regular APFSDS would wreck BMPs.
>t. Scout
Once again, scouts prove they know nothing about the vehicle.
It would still effective, but you still need to hit critical systems. It’s not going to one shot it like the tow.
Now drain my hull plugs.
No one said one shot boot. A burst of APFSDS would delete any BMP from any angle. This has to be a product of 1st LAR
Hey don't blame this on us, that's not what I trained my gunners
>The BMP-1 and -2 somehow aren't 'lighter vehicles'
Doubt.
Go inventory the sl3 driver boot
>boot
How many combat deployments do you have, peacetime war fighter?
>any bmp from any angle
They always did put the morons in the desert.
The pack has less strength with a wolf like you in it.
Damn it I was hoping you wouldn’t say 2nd LAR. Meet me in the wolves den in 3 minutes and bring your NCO
Haha grunt gay tries to pull rank on the internet. Don’t you have a statistic to contribute to?
I deployed to afghanistan in 2011 with 2nd LAR. Curious if I know you
Probably not. Iraq 07 and 09 with 3rd.
Then why did you reference the Wolfpack
Because that’s what 3rd LAR calls themselves, the Wolfpack.
Ah, right. And then there’s quickstrike and iron horse marines.
All of your gunnery training and threat ID classes say otherwise. You’re required to shoot at BMP targets for a reason.
I’m not saying 25mm won’t defeat BMPs, I’m saying that it’s going to take a few bursts. It would be Better if the Ukrainians could get M1919 unicorn.
I AM my NCO. I would get my section commander but he got out even before I did, and I got out 10 years ago.
I got to 2nd in 2010. What company where you in
No, 3rd LAR. The Wolfpack. 1st is highlanders I think? What was second?
Destroyers
>M1919
How thick is the BMP-3's front?
Idk the physical thickness but it's apparently able to resist 30mm fired from relatively close range. Idk the voracity of that, but it's about in line with other IFV's like the M2, Marder and CV90 variants all of which should also be able to stop 30mm. BMP-3 is significantly lighter so it's possible it might resist 25mm instead of 30mm if they were lying. Hard to say.
What troony discord server is raiding us this time?
Sirs! Do NOT redeem
sure, if russian artillery hasn't been blowing them apart before they ever arriving to the frontline to use that fancy chain gun.
Obvious bad faith thread but the problem we see is that in the Ukraine conflict at least, tank on tank combat is incredibly rare. Bradleys would completely devastate everything in the current Russian arsenal which is where its strength lies, however the Bradley is no more susceptible to a combination of mines, drones, artillery and attack helicopters than anything other IFV really, which is why they were lost (however not anywhere near Russia claims them to be)
>Bradleys
shiny foil package over meety badresos
About as expected; not a game changer, but it applies more pressure on Russian armor. When they get struck the crew also survives, which is a large benefit. The United States has plenty of Bradley’s, but Ukraine only has a finite amount of trained units that can use them
This is right, but the same is also true in reverse. Training matters more than paper statistics. We don't know how they're actually performing since there's a media blackout. As far as I know, what we've seen so far consists of
- a friendly fire incident from a suspended twitter account https://twitter.com/Sytheruk/status/1667431875793543168?t=Te4kYMChAO8tCAdxuhVtcQ
- A Bradley shooting into some trees https://files.catbox.moe/m2pbs8.mp4
Neither of which are impressive or give much confidence. It should be noted the 47th Battalion is the one using the Bradleys, and they use T-55s for their tank complement. So while they are using a high quality IFV, they're supported by terrible tanks. The battalion's vehicles all can kill anything, but also dies to everything. So training and operational use is the deciding factor.
We've seen them with Leopards though, and Polish OSINT (which was honestly more reliable than most western sources due to proximity and on-the-ground connections) suggested that they were building task-oriented company teams based on more than one brigade. Not sure if this is supposed to be a thing that happens frequently, or just incidentally.
>and they use T-55s for their tank complement.
M55s
they have to come to the dug in russians right now, who laid mines in between, which russia is pretty effective at doing along with firing off vast amounts of pre-zeroed in artillery. If ukraine had any support at all from the start russia probably wouldnt have any land to defend.
Would, but have not.
Many such cases. Nato is all talk, no real world evidence.
Ukraine has proven that the IFV experiment has been a resounding failure. Weak to RPGs, weak to tank rounds, weak to mines, weak to helicopters. There is nothing on the modern battlefield that the IFV can stand up to, and its reduced troop carrying capabilities has just made it a costly burden. It's time to end the experiment and return to rationality by approving the construction of modernized Gavin II's.
If you haven't noticed, but the expectation of infantry in Ukraine is to be on foot. We've regressed completely thanks to IFVs.
The only thing more reprehensible than Sprey posting is Sparks posting.
APC are infinitely worse than IFV you moron.
Ukraine has been using Gavins for the past year and half and can't say enough good things about them. Bradleys are inadequate and have targets painted on their backs.
Bradley is more armored than the M113 and can keep a further standoff against infantry due to more range on its gun
How is it less safe than an M113?
Gavin's beat out Bradleys in terms of armor when the Bradley was first introduced. All the Gavin needs is a modern upgrade, and it will easily surpass the overgunned IFV. The entire role of the APC is to act as a heavily armored transport, IFV's are lightly armored to serve as scouting and recon vehicles - roles that it should never have tried to undertake, but that's politicians for you.
>Gavin's beat out Bradleys in terms of armor when the Bradley was first introduced.
M113s only reach bradley protection with add-on steel armor
>All the Gavin needs is a modern upgrade, and it will easily surpass the overgunned IFV
Or you can just use the IFV thats already there
M113s are only used in roles that are not expected to get shot at like command vehicle
>The entire role of the APC is to act as a heavily armored transport, IFV's are lightly armored to serve as scouting and recon vehicles - roles that it should never have tried to undert
The M113 is not very well armored
The M2 brad is better protected
The M2 is not a scout either, the M3 is
You know what’s a good scout/recon vehicle that still has a M242 Bushmaster on it?
The LAV-25. Literally build to look for Russian armor. Get them over there. I think the US is phasing them out anyways.
The Gavin has plenty of protection when sufficiently upgraded, as the war in Ukraine has shown. Ukrainians used Gavins for thunder runs without issue last year, but this year the new Bradleys were isolated and destroyed. Nothing but expensive targets. Too slow, two conspicuous, and too costly.
It's clear you're arguing with someone role playing as Mike Sparks. Just don't engage.
Sparky is that you?
>ARMORED PERSONAL CARRIES ARE OBSOLETE BRO
i shiggy
This is your threadly reminder that pretending to be moronic is functionally identical to being moronic.
Mods need to do something about twitter screencap threads
Unironically wish they could make a universal rule on it. Shit's annoying.
It's been bunkerchan or /misc/
Didn't you hear? Russia defeated the counteroffensive in the first 72 hours. It's been over for weeks.
guess the war is over tomorrow, no need to post on k anymore
LMAO, this has to be a new record for how fast ZOGbots move the goalposts their latest wunderwaffe.
Bradleys are doing fine, they've been fighting on the front lines for weeks now and we've only seen a dozen casualties
When you compare that to the ongoing performance of soviet IFVs like the bmp family it becomes pretty obvious that the Bradley really is second to none
they're big and heavy. the optics are from the 90s and early 2000s
but at the end of the day. it's still 25mm APFSDS + mid-variant TOWs. it will kill many things.
Hey current 0313s, are there FMs in your unit? How’s that going? Can they candle taking the gun in and out of the cradle? Or even just the feeder off and on?
>the glass cannon with treads can easily annihilate other glass cannons with treads
huh
I wouldn't call the Bradley a glass cannon. The M2A2 ODS (the one sent to Ukraine) has all-around protection against 30mm rounds.
Is it all around? I'm under the impression the newer Brads with the armor upgrades were 30mm frontal 14.5mm everywhere else
They're making a lot of changes. Things are becoming increasingly different at the zero line. Russians aren't leaving the battlefield the same as they entered.
Your all Bullshit Thr Ruskies are killing all wesertn peices of shit!!!!!!!