Your extractor is fricked because it didn't pull the last round fired. Your ammo is impressively shitty to have the next round's bullet jammed into the the casing so far just from the force of the bolt riding home.
Ammo worked fine, even that round fired fine. But, yeah, I've seen double feeds of course but that was pretty extreme. It also wasn't that one round. I had over a dozen of those in a row while I was trying to work out exactly what as going on (at first I thought it might be the magazine). But all the rounds that double fed looked about like that. So that is an IMI thing.
Ammo is still shit. Its push weight is off. They measure push and pull after bullet is crimped and seated. Your not supposed to be able to push the bullet into the case like that. Unless your a moron that was palming his foreword assist.
So your question is really how often does the extractor wear to the point of failure.
And that depends on who made it and what material and process they used.
A forged extractor from a reputable company could last 10k rounds or more.
>So your question is really how often does the extractor wear to the point of failure.
Usually not the extractor. The ejector can get crudded up and fail to push the shell out.
I don't know if that will cause this exact failure. But gummed up ejectors are a thing and can be fixed by cleaning and lubrication.
I've been shooting a lot. But not on weekends. Why? Did someone have this happen at your range?
So your question is really how often does the extractor wear to the point of failure.
And that depends on who made it and what material and process they used.
A forged extractor from a reputable company could last 10k rounds or more.
This was on the ninth or tenth shot. So yeah. Probably something got past QA.
Ammo is still shit. Its push weight is off. They measure push and pull after bullet is crimped and seated. Your not supposed to be able to push the bullet into the case like that. Unless your a moron that was palming his foreword assist.
Oh I'm not saying there isn't something off on it. I've never seen one like that either. And there were probably a dozen occurrences with the following double feed round looking like that. So it was not a one off thing.
What do you think about accuracy though? I've been using that case of ammo for other guns, and that when now that I replaced the extractor. Seems fine so far. But I'm not an ammo expert by any means.
Totally missed it. I need to spend more time on pol I can see.
This is why you always need a forward assist. In a situation like this if you smash the forward assist you can push the first cartridge fully into the chamber and then chamber the second cartridge behind it in a "normal" position with the bolt closed. When you pull the trigger the primer on the "back" cartridge will ignite, sending the bullet into the primer of the "front" cartridge that is lodged in the barrel. Both the front bullet and case will be sent out of the barrel along with the back bullet. Then the back case will extract normally.
This happened quite often in Vietnam and the soldiers called it a "Stoner scattershot". Sometimes soldiers would try to induce the malfuction so they could launch two bullets plus a casing at high velocity at charlie.
> Your ammo is impressively shitty to have the next round's bullet jammed into the the casing so far just from the force of the bolt riding home.
He might have used moron strength approach
Your extractor slipped over the case because it's weak or the case/chamber was dirty. Drop of lube in the chamber next time and it'll do fine. If it persists then your extractor is bad, your ammo/chamber is out of spec, there's some shit in there you need to clean out.
I've never seen it, but it will happen to any repeating firearm with a fricked extractor.
Occasionally the extractor is fine and this will happen from fluke brass, or shitty steel/aluminum case ammo ripping
>I've never seen it
here's an almost for you. it's that cheap Malaysian stuff that was coming it a couple years ago. somehow the little sliver of brass in pic related managed to hold on and it still extracted.
I did. even had the rollers checked too since whatever the pressure that round put out it was enough to send that little L2A2 bullet through an ar500 plate
Between the poped primer and the case marks I’m going to guess that was a super hot load. The case had too much friction on the sidewalls of the chamber which held it in place and allowed your extractor to rip off the rim.
This is why you always need a forward assist. In a situation like this if you smash the forward assist you can push the first cartridge fully into the chamber and then chamber the second cartridge behind it in a "normal" position with the bolt closed. When you pull the trigger the primer on the "back" cartridge will ignite, sending the bullet into the primer of the "front" cartridge that is lodged in the barrel. Both the front bullet and case will be sent out of the barrel along with the back bullet. Then the back case will extract normally.
This happened quite often in Vietnam and the soldiers called it a "Stoner scattershot". Sometimes soldiers would try to induce the malfuction so they could launch two bullets plus a casing at high velocity at charlie.
My gun used to do that with steel case because the frickers stuck in the chambers like nobody's business and the case rims broke from the extractor trying to do its job. Haven't had the issue since switching to brass.
Something like this can be caused by super short gas systems yanking on the case before the chamber is fully depressurized as well but its rare. You would have to have a pistol sized gas system on a long barrel or some shit for it to be an issue most of the time.
Happened 1 time out of 1500 rounds in my keltec su16. It was with red army ammo. Surprisingly the extractor ripped the rim off the case ans I had to tap it out from the front.
very common on ar15s not so much on aks
Your extractor is fricked because it didn't pull the last round fired. Your ammo is impressively shitty to have the next round's bullet jammed into the the casing so far just from the force of the bolt riding home.
>Your extractor is fricked because it didn't pull the last round fired.
I replaced the extractor and that fixed the issue.
>Your ammo is impressively shitty to have the next round's bullet jammed into the the casing so far just from the force of the bolt riding home.
Ammo is IMI if anyone cares.
>Ammo is IMI if anyone cares.
Makes perfect sense. You have to pay the same amount for half of the ammo working.
Ammo worked fine, even that round fired fine. But, yeah, I've seen double feeds of course but that was pretty extreme. It also wasn't that one round. I had over a dozen of those in a row while I was trying to work out exactly what as going on (at first I thought it might be the magazine). But all the rounds that double fed looked about like that. So that is an IMI thing.
>even that round fired fine
>he fired the round with the bullet shoved all the way in
absolute madman
Ammo is still shit. Its push weight is off. They measure push and pull after bullet is crimped and seated. Your not supposed to be able to push the bullet into the case like that. Unless your a moron that was palming his foreword assist.
So your question is really how often does the extractor wear to the point of failure.
And that depends on who made it and what material and process they used.
A forged extractor from a reputable company could last 10k rounds or more.
>So your question is really how often does the extractor wear to the point of failure.
Usually not the extractor. The ejector can get crudded up and fail to push the shell out.
I don't know if that will cause this exact failure. But gummed up ejectors are a thing and can be fixed by cleaning and lubrication.
>Ammo is IMI if anyone cares.
Did you happen to fire this ammo on a Saturday?
I've been shooting a lot. But not on weekends. Why? Did someone have this happen at your range?
This was on the ninth or tenth shot. So yeah. Probably something got past QA.
Oh I'm not saying there isn't something off on it. I've never seen one like that either. And there were probably a dozen occurrences with the following double feed round looking like that. So it was not a one off thing.
What do you think about accuracy though? I've been using that case of ammo for other guns, and that when now that I replaced the extractor. Seems fine so far. But I'm not an ammo expert by any means.
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Totally missed it. I need to spend more time on pol I can see.
Thanks for the advice, I will try that next time.
>IMI
With israelites you lose
> Your ammo is impressively shitty to have the next round's bullet jammed into the the casing so far just from the force of the bolt riding home.
He might have used moron strength approach
>He might have used moron strength approach
But that is what the foward asist is designed to do.
It is called a double feed jam. Welcome to guns
>how common it is.
Dunno. You have a problem with either your extractor, chamber, ammo, or all three. You bolt looks like it's dog shit.
>It is called a double feed jam.
It's a failure to extract, moron.
>your car's front end is fricked
>NO IT IS CALLED A REAR END COLLISION!!!!
I've never had it happen. But I keep my guns clean and use proper lube...so...you get what you give, anon.
I think I saw that exact image before. It's a failure to extract caused by a bad extractor.
>is this normal?
How is it that you've got a failure to eject yet the round in the chamber has been fired?
Your extractor slipped over the case because it's weak or the case/chamber was dirty. Drop of lube in the chamber next time and it'll do fine. If it persists then your extractor is bad, your ammo/chamber is out of spec, there's some shit in there you need to clean out.
very common on aks not so much on ar15s
I've never seen it, but it will happen to any repeating firearm with a fricked extractor.
Occasionally the extractor is fine and this will happen from fluke brass, or shitty steel/aluminum case ammo ripping
>I've never seen it
here's an almost for you. it's that cheap Malaysian stuff that was coming it a couple years ago. somehow the little sliver of brass in pic related managed to hold on and it still extracted.
Whoa wtf
my guess is that the load got hotter over time or maybe it was just spicy to begin with as we can see with the primer about ready to pop out too
You might want to get the chamber checked by an armorer to see if everything's alright. Kabooms aren't fun.
I did. even had the rollers checked too since whatever the pressure that round put out it was enough to send that little L2A2 bullet through an ar500 plate
Wow, that L2A2 stuff always seemed kinda weak to me.
Between the poped primer and the case marks I’m going to guess that was a super hot load. The case had too much friction on the sidewalls of the chamber which held it in place and allowed your extractor to rip off the rim.
This is why you always need a forward assist. In a situation like this if you smash the forward assist you can push the first cartridge fully into the chamber and then chamber the second cartridge behind it in a "normal" position with the bolt closed. When you pull the trigger the primer on the "back" cartridge will ignite, sending the bullet into the primer of the "front" cartridge that is lodged in the barrel. Both the front bullet and case will be sent out of the barrel along with the back bullet. Then the back case will extract normally.
This happened quite often in Vietnam and the soldiers called it a "Stoner scattershot". Sometimes soldiers would try to induce the malfuction so they could launch two bullets plus a casing at high velocity at charlie.
golden
reminds me of that school project with the picture of the M4
how many pounds of force approximately do you need to apply to the forward assist to chamber a second cartridge?
My bcm does this at least twice per mag. Nothing you can do about it, this is just what AR's do.
I cannot imagine that happening so consistently unless the extractor is actually broken.
Check your extractor
This is literally what happens when you spend less than $3k on a rifle. Eat shit gay.
very common
My gun used to do that with steel case because the frickers stuck in the chambers like nobody's business and the case rims broke from the extractor trying to do its job. Haven't had the issue since switching to brass.
Something like this can be caused by super short gas systems yanking on the case before the chamber is fully depressurized as well but its rare. You would have to have a pistol sized gas system on a long barrel or some shit for it to be an issue most of the time.
Happened 1 time out of 1500 rounds in my keltec su16. It was with red army ammo. Surprisingly the extractor ripped the rim off the case ans I had to tap it out from the front.
THATS WHAT THE FORWARD ASSIST IS FOR