>Ukraine will receive:
>- 600+ tanks;
>- 500 artillery systems;
>- 600,000+ shells;
>- 140,000+ anti-tank weapons;
>- M142 HIMARS with M31 GMLRS missiles;
>- NASAMS-3 medium- and long-range air defense systems (AIM-120 and AIM-9X) and more.
>https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/06/30/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-madrid-spain/
Theyve already won
>Theyve already won
>nani
preferisco gli elfi
gnomi>
Don't mind the uketards, they are so high on copium they can't even interpret objectively bad news as bad news anymore. They may recover if Ukraine is obliterated though idk we will see
Well they've mad a 3 day (at most) conflict in to a 127 day one. They've bogged Russia down beyond belief lmao.
cope: the post
>cope: the post
Welcome to your 120 day of our 3 day invasion!
>ZEE'd
Z Tards can't meme for shit.
That poster doesn't remember that the pictured badguys head messily explodes 1 second after saying "Nani?"
....because he fought the good guy
....and lost.
So, if we follow the logic of the Z Tard poster Ukraine just Haukto no Ken'd Ruzzia's overconfident ass.
pic related.
>Takes reaction image seriously
Surely you can't be this autistic
practically yes, or rather russia has not won and will not win. but ukraine needs to get the ball into the goal and that remains to be seen until they get more equipment
Fair call at this stage of the game, can't see Russia recovering sufficiently and the longer they remain playing the smaller and weaker Russia becomes.
This but unironically. Rushits are fighting a losing battle at this point, the losses are piling up too fast.
It will never be enough because slavs are con artists at heart and American politicians are too braindead to realize they're being scammed
>t. Slav
You could have just said "Russia", man. Dont need to feel shame for that...yet
Russia and the ukes actually secretly cooperating to scam the world for weapon systems?
>just a prank bro
Add an extra zero to everything.
Or in the case of Russian equipment capabilities, remove a zero...
They plan is to build up thru the winter so they can counter next spring. Who knows if that will work.
Ah yes because Spring pushes worked out so well for Russia last time.
They have the whole of Autumn of muddy shitty ground till the frozen ground Winter months to build up stock after Russia gets bogged down again in a few months.
Though arguably both sides being stuck to roads could actually be beneficial for Ukraine's more accurate artillery especially if Russia continues to be moronic and is still overly aggressive.
I'm assuming they wanted to keep severodonetsk through then so Russia had less of a solid defensive area to hold, but ah well not everything works out.
Any major offensive that doesn't involve line collapses is likely gonna be in Winter or summer if it's conventional.
Though arguably with good MLRS support they could cut off entire swathes of Russian held areas from being resupplied, and the massed infantry/drone warfare are more likely effective during those boggy months, so who knows.
>I'm assuming they wanted to keep severodonetsk through then so Russia had less of a solid defensive area to hold, but ah well not everything works out.
"-Win some, lose some... meh" is the right attitude at this point.
Tragic but right, still.
Russia is bleeding and the americans haven't even started to empty the old storage.
As long as the ukrainians are willing to fight, their hands won't be empty to do it.
Western backers of the Kiev regime are now complicit in Ukrainian women being drafted and sent to face phosphorous burning alive at the front. Meanwhile poor she no fines in London with his 21 year old son.
Poroshenko dines in london*
What an organic thing to be concerned about
Why? Ukrainians had a revolution so they could put that guy into power
So? What's that got to do with anything now? You think firing missiles into shopping malls becomes less of a war crime if your ex-president's 20-year-old son isn't personally fighting?
What an organic thing to be concerned about
>no normal person would be concerned about missiles fired into shopping malls, must be paid
This is the most Russian thing ever
israelite kleptocrat oligarch. Countless billions from the west and imf he has stolen and keeps stealing.
This. He was put into power by a color revolution, now he hides in the UK and gets filmed eating with his 21 year old son dodging mobilization. What an embarrassment for Ukraine. Like the Titanic or Arctic where the ship builders got in a lifeboat and were ridiculed
who's dropping the phosphorous tho?
This can be over tommorow, Ivan, just frick off back to Russia. Live your life.
The west so far has only delivered only 1% of pledged material. Ukr has no choice but to wait and defend.
Getting a sufficient buildup of men and arms to go on the offensive, without suiciding them like Russia does, is going to take 6months minimum and that's only if the west delivers the equipment, which is likely to be attempted to wriggle out of.
But then since Russia is killing itself so fast, it may defeat itself and the Ukrainians can push just with their minimally supported infantry.
It'll help, but russkies are doomed whether or not ukies keep their clay. This just makes things more painful for them.
Well, they've been stalemating Russia with what they have. This package will more than double their MBTs and grant them artillery superiority on all fronts. Not sure how fast things will progress, but Russia probably cannot match this escalation
“The walls are closing in”
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you idiots
>>- NASAMS-3 medium- and long-range air defense systems (AIM-120 and AIM-9X) and more
>AIM-120 and AIM-9X
Aren't they like obsolete? Or am I doing a moron again by mixing up the AIMs?
Everything Vatniks have is obsolete also so fits right in.
This isn't a war, its a spring cleaning. This is a yard sale and everything must go.
9X was 2003, 120 is 1992. Pretty old but the russians are down to soviet stock so it should hold up alright.
Do you realize that both AIM-120 and AIM-9X has gone thru multiple block upgrades since entering service? In case of AIM-9X seems like they have reserved new letters for further bigger upgrades, but AIM-9X block 2 entered service in 2015 and block 3 should enter service this year.
I am pretty sure, like with a lot of the shit they're getting sent, it's not the fully upgraded version
but like other anon said, russia is using old soviet slavshit anyway, so it's still superior. "an m16 from 2003 vs. a fricking SKS" is a good analogy in terms of small arms
>I am pretty sure, like with a lot of the shit they're getting sent, it's not the fully upgraded version
Of course they are mostly going to send in missile inventory from older end of stock piles, but implication that those are obsolete missiles borderline absurd as system still under constant development. Notable exception might be brand spanking new ARMRAAM-ER's as that gives the system substantial range increase.
NASAMS-3 means they might get AMRAAM-ER, which is basically an ESSM with an AMRAAM seeker head.
nasams-3 system came out in 2019
It’s cheaper to dump obsolete equipment into irksome considering Russia is still issuing soviet gear, equipment, weapons, munitions, and vehicles en masse.
Old system with modern munitions should give Ukrainians a pretty decent firepower advantage anyway
>Aren't they like obsolete?
No, neither the 100 mile mach 4 AMRAAM-ER used, nor the AIM-9X Block II used are obsolete.
ROSSIA has 12400 tanks, this is the meaningless whimper of a dying dog
How many actually work lmao
800+ (Estimated 1200-1400+) tanks are KIA of the 3500 you have that actually can be made to work. 30%+ gone already, and you need some to defend yourself from NATO you can't use them all in Ukraine lmao.
Let not even get started on the loss of BMP's and other logistical vehicles lmao
Now I know you think very highly of your T-34s Ivan, but they're not really competitive nowadays.
You jest but Russia actually scrapped/sold/gave away most of their T-34s after WWII.
They had to source some T-34s from abroad in places like Vietnam for their parades.
>i have 12000 tanks but she goes to another school so you wouldn’t know her
Dude considering they’ve lost “only” 800 tanks so far yet they’re already wheeling out the 60s dogshit, even if we assume all these tanks are functional, I’m seriously starting to wonder if they aren’t all some WW1-era bullshit.
ROSSIA is feigning weakness, once HATO invades they will counterattack with 12000 T-14 Armatas
RRRRRRUSHHHIYA
>once HATO invades they will counterattack with 12000 T-14 Armatas
Bet the reason we haven't seen actual large Russian tank factories working is that their modern armor is born from big mud pit womb things like Uruk-hai.
Sorry if this is a rant for another board but Russians are the ultimate reason why the aliens refused any contact with our species so far.
>be Russian
>the year is 2045
>military parade showing our best and greatest tech is coming up!
>will be awesome!
>go to red square
>celebratory slice of bread and a 1l bottle of synthesized Putin cum is given to every visitor
>the time has come, crowd is cheering
>a scarecrow with Putins head printed on a paper slapped on it rolls on to the podium (he's been dead for 20 years but no one believes it)
>TikTok text to speech software starts reading
>"My fellow russians, israelites, tatars, eskimos, trannies..."
>half of the crowd cums and shits themselves because they obviously hate nazis which are israelites, tatars, eskimos and trannies
>"Today, we have gained another kilometer of nazi troony israelite Ukrainian ISIS land"
>an attendant puts a israeli hat on the scarecrow
>most of remaining crowd has a hearth attack from unfathomable joy
>"And now! For our parade!"
>a horse cart rolls up on the red square
>slowly rides through and stops at a spot with thousands of bad dragon dildos on the floor
>"Let us celebrate!"
>crowd goes into a frenzy, jumping fences and trying to get to that sweet, sweet pool of dildos
>people uncontrollably riding and sucking them
>you say out loud "Guys, isn't this actually kind of weird?"
>"What?" you hear back
>"I mean, sucking and riding those dildos is kind of weird?"
>"Who do you mean is riding and sucking those dildos?"
>"You are?"
>"No we're not"
>"But I see you doing it."
>a big ass projector with Russia1 channel tuned in says that we're not riding and sucking bad dragon dildos and it's the west who is riding and sucking bad dragon dildos
>"No you are doing it you queer nazi american troony propagandist."
>this goes on for several weeks
>the only point of end is where the density of prolapsed buttholes and broken throats breaks the spacetime continuum and causes a black hole destroying planet Earth
…as long as Russia dies first.
Good, aliens should keep their sanitized little green lady hands off earth
how do you tell a russian is eating shit? he'll tell you you are in fact eating shit and he is not.
Great job with the Tiktok TTS. I will never get that voice out of my head and it came through clear as day when you brought it up.
You don’t understand ivan. They will bleed ukraine dry and then replenish it with african blood to bleed dry again. Globohomosexual will sacrifice every white in europe before letting ukraine fall.
will receive:
>>- 600+ tanks;
Please be the old M1 Abrams - I want to witness the Dollar-Three version of Desert Storm live.
Expect Poland dumping all their t-72 in return for more Abrams mix with Leopards 1.
Ehh would you really want to trade T-72s for Leopard 1s?
yes.
>>t. been inside a Soviet tank once. Had to cut off some flesh with a box cutter to get out because stuck
Sounds like a lot, and frankly enough to, if not win the war, then to actually go on the counteroffensive properly.
The cynic in me however thinks that NATO dicked around way too long, by this time there'd be a decent amount of ukr tankers trained up. Not to mention that "tanks" in media speak can mean anything, from Leman Russ's to Gavins.
Are there even enough Russians on the front for all that?
Krautgay here, I'm willing to bet they'll badger Scholz into giving the ok to send IRIS-T. Afaik they're entirely compatible for NASAMS launchers - anything that can mount and launch a Sidewinder can fit them, basically - and we actually have a sizeable store of them.
They are already sending IRIS-T SLM to Ukraine afaik.
Awesome. Thanks for making me aware of this.
They are, the problem here isn't with the politics, it's with the fact that the systems need to be actually produced beforehand.
And good luck doing that quickly with a peacetime industry.
Bundeswehr has more than 1200 of them in stores. The ground launchers may take a while because they're brand new, but that's where NASAMS deliveries help out.
1 in december...
To be fair, 1 is enough to defend an entire city. It's absolute bleeding edge stuff.
>I'm willing to bet they'll badger Scholz into giving the ok to send IRIS-T.
They already have.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have reportedly requested 10 IRIS systems, and that request has been approved.
In fact, they will receive them even before the Bundeswehr.
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/krieg-in-der-ukraine/lieferungen-ukraine-2054514
for the love of Valhalla, Wilhelm, write an English article on it.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T_SLM
>600+
If these are delivered not in a trickle, then most likely
Reminder that Ukrainian men are dying for their country and for a future that does not exist as all their women have fled and will never return
>Ukraines future
Stable borders and a decked out military, Marshall plan tier economic repairs and a huge vested European interest to integrate them economically and culturally
>Russias future
Buck broken military and borders up for grabs, untold societal and economical damages that will reverberate throughout several generations until the Russian gangster state breaks apart
No Marshal Plan will be enough if Ukraine loses access to the Black Sea. Ukraine success as a state depends on access to the Black Sea. Without it, it will be strangulated and never recover.
good thing that ukraine won't lose that access then.
Yes yes, Ukraine will surrender once Moskva captures the ruins of severaldonetsk and lysychansk
Damn, it’ll be really really hard to wipe out Russia’s dogshit navy!
>loses access to the Black Sea
It's like vatniks are still operating on info from 3 months ago. Odessa is no longer even in tentative plans for Russia lmao
Try not losing Kherson first Ivan
>Reminder that Ukrainian men are dying for their country and for a future that does not exist as all their women have fled and will never return
You gotta admit, this shit's insane.
>willingly going into a country at war with a much stronger, more numerous enemy, knowing that you won't be able to leave until the war is over
Nothing but respect for the madlads who do it. I once talked to a woman whose son and husband went back to Ukraine at the start of the war. Hope they're doing well.
To be honest I feel like most of them just didn't want to be Russian, and now the war has stabilised somewhat they can go back to their country and help.
Russia is gonna start facing a significantly more united country united in defiance and making explosives as time goes on.
Have Ukrainian expats begun operation and training towards material support for the Front?
There are several factories that were using Ukrainian staff for manufacturing 152 ammunition so we'll see.
>5.5 mil left
>2.5 mil returned
>3 mil will probably never return
That's a big oof even if only 30% of those women are breeding age, Ukraine already had a demographic collapse worse than Russia.
>men come in
>women leave
Yes, ukraine will stop being a nation in one generation LMAO.
>men come in
>women leave
As it should be, no wonder russians are seething and jealous about the Country Next Door
You mean Russia and not Ukraine right?
This, Ukraine may have borders but its population is basically gone.
It's fine, we'll invade Russia when they collapse to steal some children. And in general "Бaбы нapoжaют".
Ukraine? No.
Rathyeon lobbyists? Yes.
Nothing of it will matter until a year in and if this war last beyond Winter, Ukraine's future will be dark.
What the frick is an "anti-tank system" and how do we have 140,000 of them
An anti-tank rocket
Could be mines too.
Basically anything that might get in the way of a tank's progress.
Most of those "anti-tank systems" are simply chunks of concrete
there are probably thousands of spare LAW and AT-4s sitting in US stocks alone. We also have our own RPG-7 made for export and familiarity produced by AirTronic (PSRL-7)
It meanz rokkit launchaz ya git
Send them FASCAMs Systems, you fricking pussies.
I remember reading a few weeks ago that expert opinion was that Ukraine needed 500,000 shells to match what Russia was doing in the eastern front.
I guess this is America telling Putin that we can outspend him for as long as he wants to keep this war going. If we outspent the Soviet Union we can probably outspend the Russian Federation probably.
>can outspend him for as long as he wants to keep this war going
America may be bad at a ton of things but spending money on military they have no peer
A simple solution is to destroy ALL Russian ammo supplies. Without ammo, all the Russian arty are just glorified paperweights.
Well Biden can outspend Putin all the way until Midterms and then depending how that goes we’ll see.
lmao Russia already lost WWIII., they should just tap out before le monky ends shooting himself in his fuhrerbunker.
anyone have a list of the 50 countries?
A lot probably don't want to get mentioned. Possibly due to internal politics, possibly due to fears of Russian retaliation, as we've seen Russia do to Germany by cutting off its gas by 60% after it endorsed Ukraine's EU candidacy and the Pzh2000ks arrived.
That means US could just be making it up
That's technically true, but the US generally attempts to avoid basing foreign policy on blatant fabrications which could be discovered in under a year. So long as the blatant fabrications get discovered well into the second presidential term it's all good.
>People ITT are unironicly suporting the ruscists.
You guys don't know the Russian like I do. You have not faced the Russians I did. You didn't have to let toxic russianism enter into you body through your pores, ears, and nostrils like I had to.
I was an exchange student studying in Moscow for a year. I have met thousands of Russians and all of them disgusted me. They smell of booze, they don't wash themselves (it's too cold – they bring up the excuse), they are too loud, uneducated, and incredibly racist. I had to live in that hellhole for a year, so I'm intimately familiar with Russian racism.
You might ask, "but how can a Russian be racist towards a white American as yourself?" but you wouldn't believe the things I've endured. These toxic pigs continually reminded me of my nationality ("hey, yankee boy! come here, yankee boy!"), treated me as a second class exchange student ("you have to learn Cyrillic if you want to pass this class!"), mocked my traditional cuisine and eating habits ("why are you eating a hamburger with your hands, what are you, an albino monkey?"), continually called me "too effeminate", and violated my private space on a regular basis. Apparently for these Russians touching (hands, shoulders, etc.) and slapping (back, butt, forehead, etc.) of others is considered "normal", and me reporting them a dozen times for sexual harassment to the dean amounting to nothing.
I FELT CONTINUALLY RAPED AND OTHERED BY THESE SAVAGES.
So don't get me fricking started about Russians and their ways. Staying there for a hellish year made me realize that all the horrors that came from Russia, the gulags, the Holodomor, Stalin, Putin, etc. are merely natural expressions of their genetic code.
I started calling them "homosexual stalinicus", because whatever race I'm in (homosexual sapiens) they have no part of, not an ounce of DNA do I share with these savages.
Arent russians literally sucking the wieners of every churka and turkic they see ?
Subtle, but we’ll done. Have a (you).
I lived in Rīga, Latvija for a decade. Ran my own business, traveled extensively through Estonia & Lithuania. I worked & lived with Russians every day for ten years, I had contracts with them ... every single one of which they breached in one way or another. They are all psychopathic criminals, bred into their genetics.
My family migrated from Ukraine to Germany before the Napoleonic Wars, most of them murdered by Russians as they fled. They were native Ukrainians, mixed with Lithuanian and Swedish blood. Later, they returned to their homeland around Lviv & Lutsk about the time the U.S. finished its Civil War. They brought back German family members and children, tried to find their historic homes and reestablish.
In 1920 almost all of them were murdered and driven from their homes, again, by Russians. Some were abducted and sent to Moscow (my grandmother), others fled to Poland and Germany. Again. The rest vanished from the Earth as if they had never existed. In the mid 1920s, my grandmother escaped to Poland, and then to Germany where some distant relatives helped her find a life.
And then the Russians came to Berlin, where she was almost killed by th erapings she received from Russians. She was lucky enough to be found by Americans, who helped her find her children and granted them refugee status to resettle in the U.S.
Today, our family is thin, but two of our sons have returned and fight today in the Ukraine Foreign Legion. Others have returned to provide other support, two of them doctors.
You cannot imagine how well I know Russians. It is outside your comprehension. And what's left of our family will not rest until as many Russians as possible fertilize the land of Ukraine.
Slava Ukrayini. Heroyam Slava.
This just shows how important this war is. Russia better win no matter the cost.
meanwhile here's a list of homeless cities in the USA :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tent_cities_in_the_United_States
>Give all that money to the tent cities
>Within 2 months the tent cities are 3x the size with 10x as many drug labs in it
>No go zone around city has gotten 2 miles larger
>Property values have gone 50% lower
>Urban decay skyrockets
Spending it on weapons is more productive
>spend the money on killing machines, not on helping the poor
Jesus Christ (pbuh) would be proud
>House prices drop
That would be a good thing in the long run if nigs didn't buy them all up lmao.
damm, they will have to kill tons of russians to compensate for this
You mean we could send these "people" with the guns? Great idea, Anon.
Bruh the homeless aren't homeless because they're just poor. They go to cities that won't prosecute them stealing and doing drugs so they can be complete degenerates. They should be in forced rehab or prison but thats not cool right now.
compelled rehab, mental institutions, and work houses
this, homelessness is a choice and a lifestyle for 90% of them. All the homeless shelters in LA are half empty
New idea. Round up all of our homeless and transport then to Russian cities in the middle of the night like Biden does with the illegals.
WHAT ABOUT AMERICAAA
don't give a frick nerd
>throw money at tent cities
>they grow larger
>throw money at weapons to kill Russians
>measurable drop in number of Russians on the planet
spend wisely
>no planes
Ffs find them some jets already
>Ffs find them some jets already
Have to wait another ~6 months for the first batch of Ukie pilots to finish training at Eglin USAF.
It's enough to inflict a lot of damage on the Russians which will expedite them fricking off. It's not going to immediately lead to a catastrophic defeat of the Russians if thats what you mean.
>140 000 AT weapons
They gonna start to destroy T34s by the beginning of september
>Tfw every single squad has a fricking javelin or equivalent lmao
Russia has like 2500 tanks left
140 000 AT is more than enough to destroy all of them
This kind of AT isn't just against tanks. In addition to working just fine against IFVs and the militarized trucks you see the potemkin republics lug around, it's also stuff like the German MATADOR that doubles as anti-fortification and urban wall-breaching launchers.
The average grunt is a much simpler creature than you imply. For a grunt literally any object you can't kill with rifle = fire big broomstick at it. Most of those rockets probably end up doing a job that could've been done by a 40mm
bro this isnt counter strike where you press B and buy fitting kit between rounds
what are you captain price running around with a 1911 and 40mm, MG and rocket launcher as sidearms?
the trouble with man portable AT is that it's just too damn useful to keep for the tanks so like 90% of those munitions will be expended against other vehicles and fortifications instead
If they really get all this they will win the war in 3-6 months.
>600,000+ shells;
Sooooo, enough for about three weeks then.
>600 tanks
did biden have a senior moment again?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'M SO FRICKING SICK OF THIS PUSSYFOOTING BIDEN YOU SENILE FRICKER
SET
HER
FREE
UKRAINIAN
BRIDGES
45 ton maximum weight tolerance on Ukrainian bridges. Weight of T-64/72/80/90 = 45 tons. Conclusion: T-64s and T72s can pass Ukrainian bridges just fine.
Weight of M1Abrams/Leopard2/etc = 55+ tons. Conclusion: They can't pass most Ukrainian bridges without said bridges collapsing.
This fact multiplies every logistics issue that's already present: No domestic production of spare parts, no trained repair specialists that know how these tanks work, no operator crews. So, in addition to the tanks themselves, Ukraine would need to receive plenty of bridgelayers, recovery variants and other logistical vehicles. If Ukraine only receives a dozen or so western tanks, it leaves Ukraine in an awkward space where it can't really afford to lose them due to the political impact that a photo of a destroyed western tank could have, can't afford to repair them because it can't afford to relegate the few repair crews it has working on its existing tanks already, and can't afford to train more technicians just for these vehicles because there are just too few. Too few tanks, and Ukraine can't afford to use them, lose them, or invest the few resources it has into establishing a logistics chain for them.
As such, in order for Ukraine's investment into any western tank force to be worth it, Ukraine would need to receive at least a hundred western MBTs. In addition to those, it would need to receive dozens of bridgelayers, recovery units and logistic trucks, which would likely bring the shipment up to well over 200 vehicles. That can also easily require a thousand or more crews and specialists to be trained to man and maintain them. Then it would need to prepare supply, ammo and spare part depots all over the country.
That is a massive endeavor. Transporting so many tanks and vehicles into Ukraine would be a challenge all on its own, doing it covertly is almost impossible. So, Russia would know that there's a major tank force and may just do even stupider shit than usual.
conclusion: you don't know how bridges are rated
Please correct me if I am wrong then. If you know more than me about Ukraine's infrastructure that's relevant to tank logistics, I'd love to hear it so that I can adjust my expectations in regards to western shipments.
Conclusion: you are a dumb c**t and upset that an anon added value to a thread. What is with glowies getting upset over factual data about reality?
As much as I want to see these big b***hes in the open fields of Ukraine trading blows with Russian T80s and T72BVMs the logistical nightmare these would be would offset any of the strengths they provide. Frick just getting enough aviation fuel for the turbines would be a task with an already stretched supply chain being used for Artillery. A better solution would be to whip out the M60 stocks and trade upgraded Turkish M60 AMBTs for Abrams and send those to Ukraine. The power plant on the M60s would be much easier to fuel and or service and the upgraded optics and fcs would be enough in combination with the 105. That or give Ukraine the M1128 Stryker fleet to use.
Ukraine doesn't even have the manpower left to crew those weapons.
They're pulling in random untrained civilians off the streets.
All this will do is put more weapons on the black market, while Zelensky grabs his suitcases full of cash and flies back to Israel.
Everything you said is a lie. Ukraine is great on manpower, not great on heavy weapons.
Yeah, all the videos of them rounding up random civilians are fake.
Oh, and the Ukraine's own reports of losing thousands of troops a day are also false.
There is no source stating that they are losing thousands of troops a day.
Those videos are of them collecting reservists and other people important to the war effort. Shitloads of normal, not-having-served civilians are still waiting in line to be recruited and trained. They are not rounding up randos.
>There is no source stating that they are losing thousands of troops a day.
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia
>Those videos are of them collecting reservists and other people important to the war effort.
Ah yes, that's how the reserves work in the Ukraine. You just go about your day and wait for their van to pick you up off the street.
Read the first two paragraphs, read all of it. That doesn't equate to "losing thousands of troops a day".
Secondly, yeah, that is how it works when they aren't reporting for duty like they are obligated to. It's a system, they prioritize the former-military, aka reservists, over brand new recruits. Of which they ARE processing, the correct way. Again, they are not grabbing randos of the street.
lol
lmao
>losing thousands of troops a day".
That's exactly what it says moron, 200-500 killed would mean 4-5x that in wounded.
No U, moron. Frick your word games. He said "losing thousands of troops a day", verbatim. What does that mean? Deaths? 100% false, no source says this. Casualties? Also false by his own source. There is no scientific basis for x4 or x5 wounded per kill count, it's a vague, general, rule of thumb. 500-600 would be on the worst days, 60-200 would be on the better days. On the worst days, you would have a small point by 'estimating' ~2000 casualties in a day based on his 'method'. But we know that cannot be a constant. Many wounded are also back on the front in days or weeks due to modern medicine and medevac procedures, but there is also no real method to estimate this. For any that are counted as casualties one day and back another, did they 'lose' them?
Chill dawg. It's the truth. They lack the tank/IFVs for pushes, and they lack the artillery to compete in the slogs. It's why the Russians are doing the D+ job they are doing right now, as opposed to an F- job. The aid has already been trickling in, they simply need more.
>You just go about your day and wait for their van to pick you up off the street.
that’s in donbabwe where the meme republics have lost some 80%+ of their forces
>Ukraine is great on manpower,
Love how you homosexuals will make giant blog posts about how the Russians don't have the manpower to win yet somehow the fricking Ukranians with a fraction of the Russian population doesn't have a manpower issue
One side mobilized the other didn't.
>spot the terrified vatnik in the thread
>trying to concern troll massive weapons shipment away
What (You) lack in subtlety, (You) make up for in stupid. We haven't even started sending in the $40 billion portion of aid. Yet. This is still just the shit that was already being prepared when that was signed into law.
Your favorite steel buttplug is not going to save (You) from getting your shit pushed in. Russia is over.
really embarassing that russia is STILL hasnt conquered a country with a demoralized population that doesnt even want to fight for nazi israelite zelensky anymore
Oh cool so Kyiv is taken now?
>2nd best army in the world cant break random untrained civilians
>All this will do is put more weapons on the black market,
good! Even yuropoors have the right to bear arms, even if they don't deserve it.
You should rethink your script man, if this was true it would just make Russia look even worse that they are still struggling to conquer such a supposedly weak country.
Ukraine already won, it's over, war is about logistics and this seals the deal.
Russia's not going to leave, and Ukraine can't fight forever. They just need to do the old Russian strategy of throwing as much shit as possible at them until they give up or can't fight anymore
Except that lend-lease is on Ukraine's side this time around, Russia lost already, it is just sunk cost fallacy from now one.
Not just the Lend-Lease, but pretty much all the Insurgents are Pro-Ukrainian. Russia doesn't even have the advantage of partisan allies.
The problem will only get worse as Russia seizes territory without having the manpower to SECURE it from insurgent attacks.
How long is that lend lease going to last, though? US and Western Europe are going to have to expand their defense industries to both supply Ukraine and prepare for the likely war against China and/or Russia that's probably gonna happen in a few years or decades
>prepare for the likely war against China and/or Russia that's probably gonna happen in a few years or decades
If that's their main problem, then actively hurting Russia right NOW is a priority.
It can last for decades. I'd say, it can last for a minimum of 5 years, but it'll be more because Russia won't stop delivering footage of its various war crimes, meaning that Ukraine can keep itself in the headlines pretty much indefinitely. Which means that the populace will continue to be reminded of Ukraine, meaning that the political will to help Ukraine will remain. Russia is the kind of nation that makes it very easy to hate it the longer it stays in public view.
They just announced they are ramping it up, it's pretty much over for Russia.
>How long is that lend lease going to last, though?
Until all vatniks are removed. It's an open-ended commitment.
Stretch goal: balkanization of the Russian Federation. Really, the only way to secure the future of the rest of the world.
What future? I'd rather nuclear war break out than live under any of these WEF slaves. It's obvious you're either paid to shill or are just extremely autistic and hyper focused
nobody cares yet it's still happening, go have a nice day
>WEF slaves
I always found it really telling that the WEF conspiracies only started appearing AFTER Russia got itself kicked out of the forum
You glow
>WEF conspiracies
>people reposting shit straight out of WEF conferences and articles
I bet that a decade ago you were crying about Occupy.
What we do to Russia today is a history lesson for China to study tomorrow.
Why should I give a shit if China takes over Taiwan? Gay little taiwanese need to man up and fight for themselves. Japanese, too
China wouldn’t dare declare any war right now
>Ukraine can't fight forever
Of course they can. Russia doesn't have enough manpower to annex ALL of Ukraine, let alone get deep enough in to wipe out its armed forces.
Simultaneously, Ukrainian insurgent forces are becoming more and more aggressive.
Russia's not going to leave....alive.
How many Ukrainian insurgencies were there in Crimea which we are made to believe is a deeply Ukrainian core territory
Frick off moron. Next you'll be saying the Russian tards they've shipped in from Siberia to live in (and shit on the floor of) evacuated peoples homes would agree the Donbas is Russian, so should be Russian too.
So we can measure ethnic replacement levels by insurgency activity, interesting.
>So we can measure ethnic replacement levels by insurgency activity, interesting.
always could lol
>How many Ukrainian insurgencies were there in Crimea which we are made to believe is a deeply Ukrainian core territory
Several, back in 2014.
None of them were successful AFAIK because the population of Crimea is ethnically mostly Russian (it wasn't always this way, but Stalin forcibly displaced the original Crimean ethnicities into Central Asia and replaced them with Russians from the Russian Soviet Republic in the 1940s). Same with the Donbass, only there were no Crimean Tatars replaced, but rather Ukrainians who died of starvation and had to be replaced by Russians.
And the reason Crimea is still Ukrainian territory is because we cannot allow people like Putin to use the consequences of the policy of mass deportation and genocide by starvation to manipulate the borders of countries in the 21st century. Because if we do, things will become very brazen very quickly.
And the Russians in Crimea should go frick themselves and use that long bridge of theirs to relocate to Russia - while they both still exist.
They were still a fair number of ethnic ukrainian in Donbass. Most of them spoke both russian and ukrainian.
But most of them left or were intimidated to leave. Almost all the shaktar donetsk club supporter were pro ukraine for example.
Ukraine can fight for approximately 10 more years with the population it has. Vietnam had less numbers than that, and they lasted for 35 years in almost constant warfare against the Japanese, then the French, then the USA before finally coming out on top. After which they beat the Chinese that tried to conquer them while they were exhausted.
Afganistan has been at war for the last 40 years also what other anon mentioned vietnam...
In 1915 british forces already lost their whole prewar army if we go by numbers.
Russia struggles to take some towns that nobody ever heard of. Ukraine has strategic depth they can keep this up for a while same shit happend in ww2.
>I TRIED SO HARD
AND GOT SO FAR
>BUT IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
when does it sink in
I've seen that webm a whole bunch of times but had never noticed Gerasimov's face in the background, fricking top kek
(IT STARTS IN KYIV)
ONE DROP
I DON'T KNOW WHY
NO AIR SUPPORT AND PUTIN STILL MAKES US FLY
KEEP THAT IN MIND WE LACK SUPPLY LINES
SO ALL OUR TROOPS DIE
(ALL I KNOW)
PLANES ARE A VALUABLE THING
WATCH THEM CRASH DOWN AS THE JAVELIN STINGS
SQUAD IS WIPED OUT BY THE END OF THE DAY
TRANSPORTS BLOWN AWAY
(IT'S SO UNREAL)
DIDN'T LOOK OUT BELOW
NO Z'S ON THE LAND, THE SEA'S WHERE WE GO
TRYIN' TO HOLD KYIV, D-DI DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
THOUSANDS OF PARATROOPERS YET WE
(STILL MOVE SLOW)
KYIV'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE INSIDE AND EVEN THOUGH WE TRIED
IT ALL FELL APART
ALL THAT'S LEFT OF ME IS SUNFLOWER SEEDS
JUST A MEMORY OF THE TIME I TRIED SO HARD
WE TRIED SO HARD
DIDN'T GET FAR
BUT IN THE END
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
KHARKIV WON'T FALL, WE LOST IT ALL
BUT IN THE END
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
So where is thr vocaroo?
>Zelensky says he needs $5bn a month to fight Russia
>isn't getting anything close to that
>being pushed back constantly
>losing thousands of men a day
>lend lease is a meme, US has only delivered like 45% of what they promised, Germany has do 35% of what it promised
>UkRaInE iS wInNiNg GuYs!
Give me an L, give me an M, give me an A, give me an O - what does that spell? LMAO.
I'm gonna piss on this Russian soldier's corpse I got here just to express my thoughts regarding your post.
post snake island
How about you actually counter the meat of my argument, not irrelevant stuff. It is objective fact that Russia is advancing. It is objective fact that Ukrainians are dying/wounded in droves. It is objective fact that Zelensky said he needs $5bn a month to fight - he isn't getting that. It is objective fact that very few states have given what they promised.
It's objective fact that vatniks tongue my anus
>tens of billions in financial aid committed
>being pushed back literally a few hundred meters a day at the schwerpunkt of the invasion force, rest of the front either frozen or ukies are advancing
>losing maybe 100-200 per day, Russias numbers much worse
>with only half of the aid delivered, Russian army has already reached culmination
lmao kys vatnik
>russia (second biggest superpower) cant take over a broke helpless nation
Lmao
Ukraine lost the minute Russia started bombing them.
>600 tanks
>140,000 ATGMs
What meme timeline are we in were Russians will get zerg rushed by numerically western trained slavs with ww2 tier expedited training and advanced lend lease NATO equipment?
what the frick is going on?
History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes, and in this case it's like it got flip-turned upside down.
From now on we'll get endless games where nazis good and commies bad.
No
This will be just new toys for DNR and LNR militia)
>DNR and LNR militia
is there any meat left at this point?
Are there any Ukrainians left at this point?
This is ironic considering Russia still hasn't won yet
I'm sorry but 18k (British Army) is not that much, and they're including wounded, AND they're using the "1000" number as gospel despite it only being used as a reference to particularly heavy few weeks of fighting of which Russia likely also suffered heavily.
all of the donbabwe militias are fricking dead lmao
how come none of the gorillion captured nlaws and javelins are used by the donbabwean volkssturm?
does it become useless when in russBlack person hands?
Didn't one blow the ass end of some vatnigs SUV off when he stole it an ran to Russia, recently? Think it was an AT4
Nice pride flags on those Russians.
>russians projecting
Why do third world non-white shitholes always do this?
guys I live in Moscow, the Ghost of Kiev just flew over my house. Check reddit and CNN!
Bullshit, because russian have yet to discover technology to build houses.
>600 tanks
What kind and from where?
T-72 and Poland, most likely.
I don't care if Joe Biden gives us shittier gun laws than Britain, at least the Russians are dying
>tfw I didn't buy stocks in things like Locksneed back in February
Feels bad man. Think there's still time to make money on the MIC?
Yesss finally a substantial aid. I bet thar half of those tanks will be pt91 tho. We have 291 of those if i'm correct, and we are going to have 0 at the end of the war.
>t. Pole
Poland still has around 600 bog standard made in 70s T-72s, number checks out
they are constantly running away from Donbas now, don't' think that dumping more scrap on them will help
>bog standard
The correct term is "BONG standard" - a reference to the notorious British quality.
How long is it going to take for it to arrive tho? How effective this'll be really depends on timing
If it doesn't arrive within a month then it can't be used for any kind of counteroffensive action until next late spring/summer. You can't do shit in Fall/Winter/early Spring.
>Receive
W H, however.
why dosent NATO just send pilots into ukraine
just say that the concerned citizens of ukraine bought f15 and f16 from local hunting store, we have nothing to do with it
How would the ruskies even know if we sent a few F-35s? Not like their soviet era radar can even pick them up lmao
just get a B2 and start bombing moscow with cowshit lmao
Cold war shit. The intent of things like this is to force Russia into greater and greater sacrifice and belt-tightening and to make clear it will become more and more unbearable as time goes on and the ratchet will only tighten.
It less about decisive battlefield supremacy than the economics of Russian pyrrhic victory.
No, it's a drop in an ocean. Ukraine needs this but 100 times. More.
60k tanks?
so they need oprah?
Sure. First drive vatniks out then turn around and start invading western europe as revenge - starting with poland 🙂
why would anyone want to invade poland?
Why not? Poland should always be invaded and occupied. Frick polacks. Frick Vatniks. Frick Krauts.
did poland piss in your plumbing?
Trying too hard
Do the Ukies even need 140k more anti-tank weapons now that the Russians are down to T-62s? Why not send them a dozen f-16s instead?
Presumably, the Russian army doesn't strictly operate on the first in last out principle
>600 tanks
they're 100% doing that moron thing where they claim apcs are tanks
600 tanks between 50+ nations isn’t really a lot if they intend on sending western stuff. There are thousands of Abrams and Leo 2A4 in storages. Frankly from all the heavy equipment shipped to Ukraine tanks have been the easiest to come by.
In English, doc
Cry more, subhuman.
Ukraine is winning! This latest batch of women being drafted in October will seal the deal. Putin’s toxic masculinity, narcissism, and gaslighting cannot stand up to the women of Ukraine
You cannot win, vatnik. Just accept it and stop embarrassing yourself.
so russia is losing to ukrainians with clubs and stones? it's even worse of an embarrassment lmao.
>140,000+ anti-tank weapons
>when russia already lost 30-40% of their total tanks
Kek
Ukraine is a future NATO
Russia is a future China.
based
Anon...China becoming the next Russia is not a good thing for Xi.
>WWI
>English victory
>WWII
>English victory
>WWIII
>UK: we will fight until ukraine gets everything uncluding Crimea back
Rushits already lost before the war even begun lmoa
>English victory
How is the empire faring these days
The english lost their empire, but at least London wasn't partitioned. Id take that as a win vis a vis Germany
The yanks have been working for us ever since
Shills: it’s taking Russia longer than 1 day to defeat ONLY UKRAINE!! Russia BTFO!!
also shills:
At least the Moskva went down in service and didn’t run away from the area like the HMS defender. British shills are seething extra hard after Putin’s epic response to Boris Johnson’s moronic toxic masculinity comment.
It was not epic at all it was almost as ridiculous as Boris comment in the begining.
Putin exposed himself as an insecure manlet, he should have just ignored the woke comments. He's a president god damn it.
>Flooding Ukraine with NATO weapons, replacing Soviet shit
the goal here is to rapidly accession them into NATO after the war, right? Now the biggest hurdle (other than turks) is going to disappear
Ukraine can be easily restored with help from the west, meanwhile snowBlack folk have turd worlders as allies.
>removing both soviet junk and rushits out of existence
Pretty based
They might concede not joining NATO at some future peace talks. If that happens, it'll probably end up becoming like binland a few months ago.
Technically not a NATO member, but an EU member with NATO equipment, NATO training, and NATO allies. Probably some other agreements with individual countries, like UK and US, in case shit hits the fan again, in the future.
My tax dollars are paying for what now?
Ukraine is winning according to numbers, but being the schizo that I am, I feel like there's another reason this war happened. Maybe the elites from Ukraine, Russia and the US are in cahoots. I'm still wondering why we would leave millions in weapons, gear and vehicles in Afghanistan. There has to be a reason for that, right? Is it to combat any other countries that may invade Afghanistan?
I know the world is chaotic and scary and nobody is in control and that's terrifying.
But if you don't come to realize the true insane complexity and thousands of random actors pushing apart and together in ebbs and flows as the reality of our condition as humanity, you will be forever prone to being weaponized and dismayed at the endless cycle of messiahs that prove bitter disappointments and anxious waiting for the next hero to solve the world and singlehandedly save us from ourselves.
They can't even export grain, how is he trafficking MBTs, SPGs and rocket systems out of the country?
They stuff it in their basement as a store of great value. How they will use/sell it is a matter for later. They don't sell it all immediately.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10944987/British-ex-Nato-commander-says-never-peace-Europe-Putin-remains-power.html
Russia is stomping a country with a military larger than any European NATO member, AND while it is being armed by the rest of NATO. Europeans will tire of high gas prices before accepting living in your “I hate Putin” Cold War compound.
Iron Curtain 2, vatBlack person.
Russia already shifted its focus in trade to China and India. Europeans can flagellate themselves and deliberately live in poverty to spite Putin, and see how it works out in elections long term.
Russia can team up with turd worlders all they want. In the end the west will always be more prosperous and advanced while russia will stay a shithole forevermore.
>live in poverty to spite Putin
It won't be europeans who will be living in poverty lmao
Have fun getting ripped off by your "no limits partner" and the loos.
what does
shifted
"actually" mean? Do you have numbers, such as export and gdp% ?
I'll wait, take your time.
You DO have something to back this claim up with, right?
>stomping
100 days for a 3 day special operation, and the russkies managed to lose moskva to a country without a navy
200 to 1000 hohols a day
>3 day special operation
If you are going to make up a timeline, at least keep it consistent. You shills alternate between 1 day, 2 day, and now 3 day. Maybe you can say the special operation was supposed to take 2.5 hours, which is the average American attention span for a movie.
Yeah who ever needed natural gas. COPE VATBlack folk
2 more weeks, trust the plan.
Can someone make updated version please?
Cut the gas then. Come on. My country is sending weapons to Ukraine specifically to kill your soldiers, why can I still turn on my stove? If you don't need us pesky, wealthy euros, then cut the gas already. What are you waiting for?
Do it.
>Qatar’s Al-Thani also said the country was “stepping up” and holding talks with European countries about boosting gas supplies.
Turns out Russia will run out of gas before Europe ever will.
In the first day official russian jouiranlist shill told "Ukraine have returned to russia"
http://www.aalep.eu/advent-russia-and-new-world
But it was deleted soon after lol. Everything show that putin expected ukraine to collapse fast and ukraine government to flee or surrender.
Cope.
Ukraine returned to Russia. The only question is how much resisting and suffering they want to do now.
Uh yeah then why the article was deleted if russian elites were so sure about that ?
And the current events is not uniting the "russian world", putin is dividing the east slavic world more than ever.
Probably deleted because it said Ukrainian statehood would be preserved, which I guess is no longer the plan 🙂
>Ukraine returned to Russia
"turned its back" != "returned", Anon.
Russia was supposed to steam all of europe in a few days...
When the invasion started litteraly everyone was saying war would end in weeks if not days
Russia is a supposed second biggest military power and they struggle with a ex colony litterally third world country on a brink of bankrupcy that has been in war for the last 8 years with millions of russians living in it? Also its mostly flat...
Thats beyond pathetic
Vatnig channel 1 level Hopium,
Neither Russia nor the West will economically collapse before the war is over. Even if high energy driven inflation will spark a recession, a state has 3 priorities that are unquestionable and the rest is optional. Security is one of those 3. Russia not winning in a war of aggression to redo borders is non-negotiable.
Wars don't end until you take the capital and raise a flag above the Reichstag. Russians will bleed Ukraine dry of money and men, and keep it on Western life support Yooks make Russia turn to T52s and soldiers who joined for the pay because they can't feed their families at 30% unemployment.
No one will give up because they don't have money. They give up when they don't have a choice.
>a country with a military larger than any European NATO member
But vastly inferior to NATO forces in general. NATO would crush you in the event of a conventional or nuclear war. hence why putin will never attack a HATO country.
The more Putin resists the harder he'll lose.
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-pushed-out-crimea-liz-truss-amid-kremlin-warnings-131139951.html
Really in the end it's all about NATO white nations and non-NATO third worlders.
What's Russia's GDP again?
What is more important at this point for Ukraine, more heavy weapons or trained personnel? Haven't checked in on the war for a while so I dunno how they are doing on the latter.
Heavy weapons. Like the anon above said Ukraine has plenty of enthusiastic men waiting to be trained, but they dont have the arty or vehicles to push. That might change with western aid.
>I Don't Need A Ride, I Need More Ammunition
Ukraine has several divisions worth of troops on the belaruse and moldovan border also in odessa since they expected the russian invasion there
They are undergunned since the best stuff is in donbass and down south
They need heavy weapons to finnaly break russia.
Nato didnt expect russia to be so bad so they didnt send and trained ukrainan forces on heavy weapons since day 1.
LMOA
> Desert Storm on steroids
Well, I didn't know there were steroids in krokodil.
>Rybar copemap
>"ukropig nazi canonfodder"
have a nice day vatBlack person.
Pretty sure "tanks" is a misnomer. France pledged to deliver APCs and the press and politicians reported it as tanks.