> Even arab rebels can crew tanks with zero training.
And they blow up constantly lol. All you’re doing putting untrained morons in armor is increasing the armor and personnel attrition rate even worse lmao.
No.
A good tank crew might take months to train, but a basic tank crew can be assembled in a couple of weeks. And there's millions more that can be conscripted, especially now that they can send summonses through the digital services and you're assumed to have accepted them the moment they are sent.
they might be able to use them as training vehicles if they somehow don't have enough + maybe put them somewhere like the troonyistria border to free up actual tanks.
The difference between a maxim and a modern machine gun is a lot smaller then the difference between a bob semple and an abrams
Plus one side is a poor corrupt shithole and the other is meant to be a superpower and a leader of the multipolar world
>I wish /k/ shared in my passion for subhuman wave attacks.
I’d sure say it does. Either because it’s comical, inept, or shills bragging about it being badass. Something for everyone
Clickbait article that doesn't understand that reactivation of the T62s means they have to train new loaders which is not a difficult job to train someone on. Yes they didn't have any trained loaders before. It will take them a few minutes to train a new one
>Train loader in an hour >Loader doesn't know where most of ammo is located, can't identify rounds, gets crushed by the gun's recoil
It will be glorious.
HATO loaders are the second most experienced on the tank and assist the commander's tasks.
>HATO loaders are the second most experienced on the tank and assist the commander's tasks.
that cant be right, a loader is either a private or a specialist, equal to the driver
gunner is the number 2, usually a SGT
He says that. >The upside is that a four-person crew could learn to operate its old tank fast—as in, after just a few weeks of training. The downside, of course, is that the crew still is riding in an obsolete tank. A T-55 or T-62 is easier to use because it’s old, crude tech.
As usually it's not a question of absolutes: the Russian tanks will not simply stand around unmanned now. But when they had 3/3 well trained soldiers in almost every tank in the beginning, it's now on average maybe 1.5/3. You'll see a lot more tanks driving over their own injured, into trees or just stopping in the middle of an open field.
It's probably not that different for the Ukies, unless they actually genuinely trained most of their army for the last several months.
Ukraine tank crews can get trained in NATO nations, while Russia pushed their trainers to the front and got them killed fairly early in the war when they were scraping the barrel the first time. Ukraine has enough of a surplus of manpower that losing the 10 thousand people to various tank schools for a couple of months isn't dangerously depleting their forces, especially if they keep rotating new trainees through to replace any losses. They also are going to have the advantage of Western tanks and their improved crew survivability so that every dead tank isn't a dead or maimed crew to further reduce attrition.
why keep recycling the same 'russia ran out of (insert whatever)" since last march? it makes them look dumb. >i'm sure they'll run out this time
2 more weeks till total depletion? lol
“Russia is running out” and “russia ran out” are 2 different things dipshit. And it only “looks dumb” to reactionary illiterate dipshits that create strawmen to react to.
Countries that aren't shitholes would describe having to field tanks that are 3 times the age of the conscript driving them as having run out of actual tanks, but glorious Russian steel will surely carry the day and not be a rolling death trap this time.
You know how a mobik can have a grenade go off next to his sleeping bag and he gets up and runs away? He is already dead no matter how many medics are near by. It's just adrenaline plus whatever blood pressure can hold out.
That is "running out" as an army. The next and only step is "ran out" which equals totally fricked.
How much time do you need to train a tanker/crew anyway? Gunner to gun, driver to drive, commander to command. Two months, tops. It's not like they need to be any good, they just need to be there.
A lot of time if you're going to drill into them how to operate as a unit within each tank, as well as a being a part of their platoon, how to cooperate with infantry, how to cooperate with artillery, etc. etc. Even with the Warsaw-pact style top down command structure they have a tank crew must still be trained to operate as part of a greater whole. A tank crew that is just there cannot be used effectively in offensive operations and when you use them that way anyway it results in the moronic frickfest that gets posted all over Telegram and this website.
>How much time do you need to train a tanker/crew anyway?
A few weeks, but you need a competent trainer to do that. If you keep sending them to die, it's going to be a disaster sooner rather than later.
> running out of tank crews
As mentioned earlier in the thread, if they've set the bar for "tank crew" low enough then probably not, Anon -- they can teach recruits or mobiks the basic operations in a few weeks. > running out of EXPERIENCED tank crews
This is a much more interesting topic.
The single most valuable part of any MBT is a good crew. They are, collectively, worth more than the rest of the tank and everything in it. Those blow-out panels in the Abrams aren't just for show; the U.S. MIC can always ramp up production and pay the money to assemble a new tank on short notice, but a skilled crew isn't available off the rack. It takes time and hard-won experience to get good at anything, and the lessons that a good crew learn and can pass on to other crews are valuable beyond any price in dollars or rubles. > hurr durr but muh Reformers, muh quantity has a quality all its own
As a concrete example, watch some webms of the recent clusterfricking near Vuhledar. A single crew of experienced tankers might have recognized mines and known how to advance with mine-clearing plows to clear the way for others. The RuAF seems to have abridged that portion of the curriculum for the newly-minted crews of the re-re-re-constituted 155th Marine Infantry to disastrous effect.
>if they've set the bar for "tank crew" low enough then probably not
Putin discovered how to instantly turn an untrained mobik into a paratrooper with one simple trick!
[Spoiler: It's giving him a blue beret]
>Those blow-out panels in the Abrams aren't just for show
You see tovarish, no need for blow out panels when all ammo is in hull
That way, smaller target, better avoid getting hit
Fat western tank increases profile when turret is turned, slim russian tank stays small
Capitalist pigs make cure for explosion, russians offer prevention
Yes. They've been throwing literally everything and the kitchen sink at Bakhmut, tank crews included. Tank crews and artillerymen were being sent to the front with nothing but small arms where they were instantly vaporized.
>Running out of tanks >Latest satellite observed estimates still put restorable Russian tank reserves at approx 4000
I hate vatBlack folk but be realistic.
>Russia isn’t running out of tanks, they’ve got 4,000 t-34’s that they can restore!
They wouldn’t have to restore ww2 surplus if they weren’t running out of tanks though
So what if Russia is running out of whatever? If the war stopped tomorrow, it would still take Ukraine decades to rebuild what was destroyed in months.
Yes. This is the primary bottleneck for most modern systems. We arent in 1944 anymore where every tank was intentionalky designed for operation by inbred farmers that can only drive a tractor. These are specialists that take months upon month to train. Its why Russias "quantity over quality" approach falls apart so hard
maybe
No.Unless he means they're running out of men, but from the context I doubt it. Even arab rebels can crew tanks with zero training.
> Even arab rebels can crew tanks with zero training.
And they blow up constantly lol. All you’re doing putting untrained morons in armor is increasing the armor and personnel attrition rate even worse lmao.
No.
A good tank crew might take months to train, but a basic tank crew can be assembled in a couple of weeks. And there's millions more that can be conscripted, especially now that they can send summonses through the digital services and you're assumed to have accepted them the moment they are sent.
>mobility kill a tank
>scared mobiks abandoon tank
>you now have new tonk after fixing it up some
god, this is going to be hilarious if it happens
but would the ukies really want t54s, besides as museum pieces?
More donations to the Warsaw war museum, maybe trade it for more Leopards
Not all their modern tonks got blown up yet, but this is probably the last chance for getting some to replenish the Ukie tonk divisions
they might be able to use them as training vehicles if they somehow don't have enough + maybe put them somewhere like the troonyistria border to free up actual tanks.
Tanks,even crappy soviet ones,are great sources of scrap metal.
Aren't they using Maxim guns?
The difference between a maxim and a modern machine gun is a lot smaller then the difference between a bob semple and an abrams
Plus one side is a poor corrupt shithole and the other is meant to be a superpower and a leader of the multipolar world
Could send them to the US.
They're always interested in Russia's latest tech.
The soviets could muster thousands of tanks with tens of thousands of crew. Im sure putin can manage. Man I love human waves.
I wish /k/ shared in my passion for subhuman wave attacks.
>This video contains content from Huashi TV, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds
Thats unfortunate. Its a chink movie or some shit that shows a human wave attack on a fortified American hill.
Whoops sorry anon, last post meant for the guy below you.
This Black person
>I wish /k/ shared in my passion for subhuman wave attacks.
I’d sure say it does. Either because it’s comical, inept, or shills bragging about it being badass. Something for everyone
two more weeks amirite?
Clickbait article that doesn't understand that reactivation of the T62s means they have to train new loaders which is not a difficult job to train someone on. Yes they didn't have any trained loaders before. It will take them a few minutes to train a new one
>Train loader in an hour
>Loader doesn't know where most of ammo is located, can't identify rounds, gets crushed by the gun's recoil
It will be glorious.
HATO loaders are the second most experienced on the tank and assist the commander's tasks.
>HATO loaders are the second most experienced on the tank and assist the commander's tasks.
that cant be right, a loader is either a private or a specialist, equal to the driver
gunner is the number 2, usually a SGT
Commonwealth countries go TC, Loader, Gunner, Driver
I can't wait to see morons lose their arms kek.
He says that.
>The upside is that a four-person crew could learn to operate its old tank fast—as in, after just a few weeks of training. The downside, of course, is that the crew still is riding in an obsolete tank. A T-55 or T-62 is easier to use because it’s old, crude tech.
Wow, i am surprised that /k/ somehow still pretty objective despite all the shills that running around.
It is lunchtime in Ukraine right now. Give it ten minutes.
I suggest killing yourself. Why do you post this shit on every thread lmao, your existence is pure seethe.
D:
😀
As usually it's not a question of absolutes: the Russian tanks will not simply stand around unmanned now. But when they had 3/3 well trained soldiers in almost every tank in the beginning, it's now on average maybe 1.5/3. You'll see a lot more tanks driving over their own injured, into trees or just stopping in the middle of an open field.
It's probably not that different for the Ukies, unless they actually genuinely trained most of their army for the last several months.
Ukraine tank crews can get trained in NATO nations, while Russia pushed their trainers to the front and got them killed fairly early in the war when they were scraping the barrel the first time. Ukraine has enough of a surplus of manpower that losing the 10 thousand people to various tank schools for a couple of months isn't dangerously depleting their forces, especially if they keep rotating new trainees through to replace any losses. They also are going to have the advantage of Western tanks and their improved crew survivability so that every dead tank isn't a dead or maimed crew to further reduce attrition.
You can learn how to decently operate a T72 in 4 weeks.
Just keep your good maintenance crews out of the frontline (they wont)
a poorly trained tank crew is as good as dead in any combat zone.
Problem is when all your trainers already died on the front lines.
>And it's going to get worse.
Russia's unofficial motto.
why keep recycling the same 'russia ran out of (insert whatever)" since last march? it makes them look dumb.
>i'm sure they'll run out this time
2 more weeks till total depletion? lol
It's been a fricking year and vatniks still don't understand the difference between "ran out" and "running out".
Literally moronic.
'x is running out' means 'x doesn't have enough to perform y task'
'x ran out' means 'x doesn't have any z'
there's a subtle difference which journos use to drum up drama and shills use to reiterate tired, pointless semantic drivel
“Russia is running out” and “russia ran out” are 2 different things dipshit. And it only “looks dumb” to reactionary illiterate dipshits that create strawmen to react to.
Countries that aren't shitholes would describe having to field tanks that are 3 times the age of the conscript driving them as having run out of actual tanks, but glorious Russian steel will surely carry the day and not be a rolling death trap this time.
You know how a mobik can have a grenade go off next to his sleeping bag and he gets up and runs away? He is already dead no matter how many medics are near by. It's just adrenaline plus whatever blood pressure can hold out.
That is "running out" as an army. The next and only step is "ran out" which equals totally fricked.
How much time do you need to train a tanker/crew anyway? Gunner to gun, driver to drive, commander to command. Two months, tops. It's not like they need to be any good, they just need to be there.
A lot of time if you're going to drill into them how to operate as a unit within each tank, as well as a being a part of their platoon, how to cooperate with infantry, how to cooperate with artillery, etc. etc. Even with the Warsaw-pact style top down command structure they have a tank crew must still be trained to operate as part of a greater whole. A tank crew that is just there cannot be used effectively in offensive operations and when you use them that way anyway it results in the moronic frickfest that gets posted all over Telegram and this website.
>How much time do you need to train a tanker/crew anyway?
A few weeks, but you need a competent trainer to do that. If you keep sending them to die, it's going to be a disaster sooner rather than later.
They barely train their tank crews in the first place, so this is probably a nothing burger.
They were running out of tank crews well before they were moving onto their older stock.
why is there a picture of Polish tanks tho?
Some journo/editor is moronic and/or lazy.
> running out of tank crews
As mentioned earlier in the thread, if they've set the bar for "tank crew" low enough then probably not, Anon -- they can teach recruits or mobiks the basic operations in a few weeks.
> running out of EXPERIENCED tank crews
This is a much more interesting topic.
The single most valuable part of any MBT is a good crew. They are, collectively, worth more than the rest of the tank and everything in it. Those blow-out panels in the Abrams aren't just for show; the U.S. MIC can always ramp up production and pay the money to assemble a new tank on short notice, but a skilled crew isn't available off the rack. It takes time and hard-won experience to get good at anything, and the lessons that a good crew learn and can pass on to other crews are valuable beyond any price in dollars or rubles.
> hurr durr but muh Reformers, muh quantity has a quality all its own
As a concrete example, watch some webms of the recent clusterfricking near Vuhledar. A single crew of experienced tankers might have recognized mines and known how to advance with mine-clearing plows to clear the way for others. The RuAF seems to have abridged that portion of the curriculum for the newly-minted crews of the re-re-re-constituted 155th Marine Infantry to disastrous effect.
>if they've set the bar for "tank crew" low enough then probably not
Putin discovered how to instantly turn an untrained mobik into a paratrooper with one simple trick!
[Spoiler: It's giving him a blue beret]
>Those blow-out panels in the Abrams aren't just for show
You see tovarish, no need for blow out panels when all ammo is in hull
That way, smaller target, better avoid getting hit
Fat western tank increases profile when turret is turned, slim russian tank stays small
Capitalist pigs make cure for explosion, russians offer prevention
Yes. They've been throwing literally everything and the kitchen sink at Bakhmut, tank crews included. Tank crews and artillerymen were being sent to the front with nothing but small arms where they were instantly vaporized.
>Running out of tanks
>Latest satellite observed estimates still put restorable Russian tank reserves at approx 4000
I hate vatBlack folk but be realistic.
>Russia isn’t running out of tanks, they’ve got 4,000 t-34’s that they can restore!
They wouldn’t have to restore ww2 surplus if they weren’t running out of tanks though
So what if Russia is running out of whatever? If the war stopped tomorrow, it would still take Ukraine decades to rebuild what was destroyed in months.
And it will take Russia centuries to fix up the shit they lost(millennia if you count their pride) so what was your point again?
>David Axe
get out
No, it is inaccurate. Russia is saving their best men and equipment for later. When it will make a bigger strategic impact.
So they can bring them back from the dead?
Why didn’t he just open his eyes? Situational awareness is important
Yes. This is the primary bottleneck for most modern systems. We arent in 1944 anymore where every tank was intentionalky designed for operation by inbred farmers that can only drive a tractor. These are specialists that take months upon month to train. Its why Russias "quantity over quality" approach falls apart so hard
>posting ((David Axe)) Forbes blog unironically
given how often monuments get fricked over in war i wouldn't really doubt that happening