After the whole fiasco in Ukraine, is there anyone who would still buy Russian equipment?
Sukhoi jets = fail
Mig jets = fail
T-90m = fail
helicopters = fail
Is there any country still buying russian equipment?
After the whole fiasco in Ukraine, is there anyone who would still buy Russian equipment?
Sukhoi jets = fail
Mig jets = fail
T-90m = fail
helicopters = fail
They will bribe some African leaders into buying their crap for sure. They always do
India, Tunisia
If you're in charge of a dusty shithole and nobody in the West will deal with you, you'll be taking your shopping list to Beijing after the shitshow in Ukraine
I don't get why people think the PRC is the go to for arms when the USA and Russia aren't viable. Their stuff is even worse than the Russians for that sort of market, and chances are you can get better arms elsewhere for less. France, Isreal, Turkey, the DPRK, and South Africa will all sell arms to just about anyone, and they all have better quality and pricing than the PRC. The PRC isn't a very big player on the international arms market, and barely any of that is to heavily embargoed countries. The PRC mostly just exports to their neighbors. "from 2016 to 2020, 38 per cent of China’s total arms exports went to Pakistan, 17 per cent to Bangladesh" that's more than half of their export market just going to those two neighbors.
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it's going to be France, Turkey, Ukraine. Turkey is, I think, going to shift to a French model of selling all over the world with few scruples. I think Ukraine will use foreign sales to bolster their domestic industry. France needs no explanation
I think Turkey is underrated. They will literally sell anything to anyone as long as they're not Armenians or whatever nationality they hate. Their stuff is basically licensed NATO stuff with some changes. They are probably cheaper too.
Personally I am just sad that Romania killed their arms export market
. They used to be a real up and comer in the market, they had good products for good prices.
Turkey and Ukraine (after the war ofc) are going to be the new arms kingpins of the third world. France, ehhhh
all this, and their export models are some wish dot com shit
Does Russia have any capacity to produce any equipment that isn't directly being used?
Didn't Russia take a bunch of T-90s meant for export and sent them to Ukraine?
Yes, they were meant for India, and I think they were being modified or something since it was initially reported that they had stolen tanks India sent to them for refurbishment, but it turned out those tanks had never left Russia and were only earmarked for India. Still a bad look.
I don't think the poos got a refund, so it's still the equivalent of stealing tanks.
India still makes a big show about buying/using Russian gear but there's been a lot of subtle signs since the start of the war that they're desperately trying to pivot away from Russia as a supplier. Probably not going to happen anytime soon though
>government has a pants-on-head moronic policy of trying to promote autarky through the Made in India program
>despite decades of effort that has shown them to be completely incapable of doing so
>Indian MIC projects typically look like a combination of all the most negative aspects of the Bradley, SA-80 and F-35 development programs, except stretched over decades to produce something that is inherently broken and never gets fixed
>domestically designed rifle (INSAS) is so shit they decided to replace it with the AK-203, rather than go through the pain of doing that all over again
>Made in India policy means large projects are preferred to be licence-built in India instead of overseas
>as a result, NATO and Western-aligned nations quite sensibly refuse to sell them anything more advanced than a paperclip (no F-35 for you Sanjay)
>Russian gear has shown itself to be shit
>China hates them and sells J-20s to Pakistan
Lol
India
Pakistan
North Korea (yes I know Russia is buying shelf from them)
Tunisia
Egypt
All the sub Saharan shitholes
North Korea buys almost nothing from Russia, anything Russia sells is with the explicit understanding that it will be copied. With the minor exception of a few bits of technology Russia doesn't actually have anything the Norks want even before you take Juche into consideration.
>With the minor exception of a few bits of technology Russia doesn't actually have anything the Norks want even before you take Juche into consideration.
Unless things have changed much in the last half decade, the DPRK's domestic aircraft production is seriously lacking. If the Russians would sell, I bet the DPRK would be very eager to buy the latest Russian jets in whatever quantities the Russians would sell them in. I'm sure they'd prefer to buy tooling and technology, but I'm sure that they'd be willing to just buy the jets if that was off the table.
Advanced aircraft are the only big item but it is really just a prestige item, they play no serious part in their military doctrine.
>they play no serious part in their military doctrine.
The KPA's limited inventory of MIG-29s is already a notable problem for planning an air campaign against the DPRK, since they have such a huge volume of AAA to back them up. They aren't going to win an air war any time soon, but I suspect that even a few dozen moderately decent aircraft could shift the balance of power to the point that it is not an absolute inevitability that an air campaign against them would be successful before it was abandoned.
They actually make a tiny number of those each year to maintain their stocks. You are correct however, we will find out since aircraft are what will be what they talk about during Putin's visit.
>They actually make a tiny number of those each year to maintain their stocks.
I was trying to dispel the notion that the DPRK has "nothing to envy" from Russia. Russia has something to sell here, and the DPRK has things the Russians want. I think there is space for a deal here, that is all I am arguing.
Boy, you just helped a big old derp
*Herped
Man I am drunk
I understand, there is plenty they want. I was thinking of military hardware other than advanced aircraft and submarine tech. They don't need things like tanks or MLRS for example.
They want advanced aircraft, technology and probably specialized production equipment. In fact i suspect that last bit will be the big negotiating issue, not only because Russia is currently in great need of it but also because they know how it will be used.
If you were the RoK what would piss you off more, Russia giving them an improvedatomic warhead design or a 10,000 ton titanium extrusion press?
Easy: iran, africa. At the very least.
ka-52 still works
They aren't manufacturing anything new right? It's all refurbs at this point. Besides artillery and missiles and ammo, what do they even have to sell? They have no real surplus to speak of anymore.
India will continue buying Russian because their MiC is a fricking joke and is putting out dogshit tanks and APC/IFV.
They can't simply buy thousands of western tanks, no one trusts the street shitters and the Chinese market is closed to them
>the Chinese market is closed to them
I bet the Chinese would sell to them surprisingly quickly. I suspect the largest source of reservations on their part would be inevitability of the awful quality of their tanks being revealed to the world. I can't wait for that one Chinese hydroplane IFV to be used in an operation somewhere, because holy shit, I bet they'll have at least a whole company drown.
>Turkey and Ukraine (after the war ofc) are going to be the new arms kingpins of the third world.
I think either will wait for the war to end, I think Ukraine is going to start making arms faster than they can use them before the war is over, and they might start trying to leverage their successes into an arms market that would make the American founding fathers proud.
>France, ehhhh
who knows what direction France will go, I hope that they'll lean even further into their historical tradition of arming anyone with a wallet, "arms control" is a fundamental violation of civil rights.
The Ukies actually had a decent arms industry before the war broke out. And now their big ticket items like the stugna and BTR-4 have proven to be highly effective. If they're making more than they need, that's honestly not a problem imo - they will have buyers.
A lot of the USSR's stuff was made in Ukraine back in the day. Obviously it's been so long that everyone involved is dead and all the soviet factories are long gone, but still, they've at least got some of the old infrastructure lying around and every reason to spin up as much as they can.
>I think either will wait for the war to end
typo, meant to say "I don't think either will wait"
I love the BTR-4. I hope they come out with a whole product line of "Soviet stuff with the derp fixed" and while I'm dreaming I want the right to bear arms back and I want to be able to buy a BTR-4 with Stugna launchers. I'd pick up my kids from school with it.
>who knows what direction France will go
I do, Frances long term strategic goal is to have French replace English as the global language of trade and science
I don't know how they plan to achieve this, but I know its what they're aiming for.
by forcing the Olympics to keep french as the official language of the Olympics
>t. family works for the committee, it's the only thing the french care about and they care about it a lot
>Frances long term strategic goal is to have French replace English as the global language of trade and science
I think that's more of an operational goal on the road to finally beating out those perfidious anglos (Americans included) and asserting what they perceive as rightful french dominance over the whole world.
Again, the french want to have the world, but then again most countries do. How they go about it is mostly boring bickering, here on /k/, I think we should focus on the real meat of the matter. War.
we're on the same page, I'm just drunk. Although on the hypothetical question you posed, I'd probably be more butthurt about the warhead design, because I don't think the DPRK has significant Titanium deposits to use that with. If we were talking about some sort of technology they could practically use that wasn't directly related to nuclear weapons design, I'd probably say the RoK should be more pissed about that. The DPRK already has as much development in nuclear weapons as they practically need.
The extrusion press was a random example but you get the idea .
It must be intensely irritating doing these sorts of deals with them, trying to maintain a client state relationship with someone whose national philosophy is extreme self reliance is ultimately impossible.
Not to mention 'Juche' is basically short hand for 'we are going to rob you, steal your clients, flood your nation with meth and laugh in your face but you need us so tough shitt'
'
They're centuries too late with that goal.
If you knew the French you would know how little that actually matters to them
>I do, Frances long term strategic goal is to have French replace English as the global language of trade and science
Lol, Frog here, how the hell do you think we expect to achieve that? None of us are THAT FRICKING delusional.
We just want people to stop calling us surrender monkeys.
Like I said m8, I have no idea how you plan to do it
But you can't hide your plans from me
They're still good for running over and gunning down protestors, which is the primary use of military equipment for third worlders.
Bold of you to assume Russia even has anything left to sell.