lmao what are you fricking moronic? HRT barely trains for direct action outside of the very specific situations that warrant their deployment, almost any other CTU in the United States cross trains for harder action and probably gets more time doing it live. Guys in the HRT have more important jobs to do than just pull triggers and be high speed low drag.
>HRT barely trains for direct action outside of the very specific situations that warrant their deployment, almost any other CTU in the United States cross trains for harder action and probably gets more time doing it live.
Basically. If dod could operate in the states you wouldn't even want these dickheads showing up.
The orange barrels make me think it's a simunition type setup, with propriety magazines to feed only the marker rounds and clear to ensure no live rounds are in them.
Theyre 9mm Simunition magazines >only one section of the mag is the ammo stack > orange muzzle and stock to stop dumb Feds using live guns in training or viceversa
Well yeah, most of the time they train as a SWAT team would, for domestic threats I’m usually an urban area. They do deploy overseas however, and when they do their gear is on par with the SOF/SF guys they are embedded with.
Actually considering this as a profession because of my previous experience as as a Mail Carrier. I've always wanted to do something to stop drugs from ruining communities.
lmao what are you fricking moronic? HRT barely trains for direct action outside of the very specific situations that warrant their deployment, almost any other CTU in the United States cross trains for harder action and probably gets more time doing it live. Guys in the HRT have more important jobs to do than just pull triggers and be high speed low drag.
The guys who guard the nuclear power plants go pretty hard.
This 100%. I had a family friend in the realm of these places (can't say what) and I can confirm they post absolute goon squads at these types of locations. I'm talking Delta-tier former operators.
Its more likely that "delta-tier" former operators get out and get first dibs on these security gigs by virtue of being high-speed and already cleared for the security. So its like a retirement package.
KSC Security were one of the first adopters of the MP5. They only guard the NASA facilities though. Most of the range is guarded by Air Force Security Forces due to Cape Canaveral mostly being DoD land. Vandenberg is strictly DoD, but NASA has a few facilities there too.
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This 100%. I had a family friend in the realm of these places (can't say what) and I can confirm they post absolute goon squads at these types of locations. I'm talking Delta-tier former operators.
department of energy's srt, right? i knew a guy who did that in nevada. he was a former army engineer, though, and he says they were issued sr-25s, which i guess makes sense since they were in the middle of the desert.
To clarify, they do train a LOT, there's a private range at basically all plants in the country with guard towers, barriers, simulated vehicles on tracks, etc.. they regularly conduct plant wide MOUT training with MILES gear, they bring in USMC once or twice a year for force on force (marines have capture and control objectives in the plant and assault it)
I know one plant has a CROWS tower, and a full fleet of armored vehicles.
And the entire plant is designed with defense in depth 50cal rated barriers.
Guns are predominantly SIG MCX SBRs with either a SIG red fot or aimpoint, sometimes a thermal scope, or Armalite brand M4s with a PRO.
But the security teams are literally securitas usa guards that make like $25-$32 an hour TOPS and have an IQ somewhere around rural police. They're not hard operators, and they're not very good at their jobs. They look high speed on paper but that's about it. The plant is just designed in a way that even fat black women could successfully repel SEALs, so it doesn't matter.
Oh and one plant in an arid area has M1a national match rifles for the shift sniper positions, and 10CFR20 has provisions for explosives use by security, but I don't know if anyone actually has HE on site.
You are making the mistake of associating DOE with commercial nuclear power.
I don't work with DOE, I'm describing privately owned civilian commercial power plants.
Better money than I made as an actual cop and its easy? And you get cool toys and training? AND I can not be very good at it?? Sounds awesome.
You made more a year as a cop, I guarantee it. Security are the lowest paid people at a power plant.
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Try ~18-22/hour and humping calls all day. 25-32 to frick around is nice for a poor working class dipshit like me
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What state? LEO experience is an easy in to plant security.
170 people (presumably counting terrorists) out of 850 hostages
So, if the guy I replied to is correct, they have a better rescue to kill ration than FBI HRT
Doubt it, especially now that we aren’t in Afghanistan anymore. DEA FAST has seen some shit in South America and Afghanistan but a lot of it was what they would do back here in the US, just in a war zone.
If you're talking generally, almost every other single agency/detachment in virtually every government, including the US because the DOE had 9mm Colt SMGs that were just cool as frick. When it comes to CTUs / spec-ops, JTF2 has a much better track record and reputation just in the west let alone in deployment alongside standard military detachments.
SEALs aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Why did they barely use their fricking NODs in a pitch-dark tunnel complex? Why didn't they cut the tripwire? Why didn't they cut the cables leading to the semtex? Why didn't they realize that there was English-labeled explosive lining the walls hinting at a setup?
They still get trained in scuba diving and underwater demolition, but in practice they keep trying to compete with Rangers and MARSOC for missions better suited for ground-pounders and have had a bunch of high-profile frickups as a result.
Literally any top military unit, concluding that HRT and CIA SAD are above Delta force because they hire people who worked in Delta is like concluding that the Sports Center broadcasting announcers are the best basketball team in the world
same with any tier 1 unit, all activities top secret or need to know, doesn’t mean we don’t know what they do
They aren’t clearing buildings or rescuing hostages, if anything elite spies are spending their time getting caught on camera giving rocuronium to arms dealers in dubai hotels or whatever
camouflage should be banned from police service, they aren't the military and it creates a mental image of them being integrated with the military, which is not comforting to anyone
You sound like a homosexual, but you aren’t totally wrong. They need to just wear OD green. I will say this though, if any shit ever hits the fan (invasion, civil kerfuffle), police tactical teams are 100% getting integrated into the military, like we saw happen with KORD in Ukraine in the early stages of the war, or Russia deploying some of their equivalent of fed tactical teams.
well yeah, police are basically an auxiliary to enforce state tyranny, they don't give a single frick about citizens but it doesn't mean they should be running around larping as socom to round up drunk beaners and every two bit criminal that waves a glock around
I agree. I also think visible tattoos should be disqualifying — I don’t want cops looking like fricking pirates or convicts or goons.
i agree, but it's not as bothersome as some larper showing up to your neighbors house in full kit to seize 4oz of weed
well yeah, police are basically an auxiliary to enforce state tyranny, they don't give a single frick about citizens but it doesn't mean they should be running around larping as socom to round up drunk beaners and every two bit criminal that waves a glock around
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i agree, but it's not as bothersome as some larper showing up to your neighbors house in full kit to seize 4oz of weed
Most communication is non verbal. When police wear camo it gives the impression that they're at war with their own people. Discerning the validity of that impression is a different topic but it can't be argued that is the message delivered, because wearing military camo is ostensibly directly associated with being in the military, and the military's job is to go to war. If anything, by wearing camo, police are mimicking military appearance to soak some of the military's favorable public image and that's not fair to either party, nor is it fair to the citizens who actually pay both other parties.
I'm a former cop and agree 100%. Our local part time swat team wore all OD green and camo was explicitly banned. Also didnt like black because it made you look like a death squad or whatever. I think blue or green is appropriate.
You sound like a homosexual, but you aren’t totally wrong. They need to just wear OD green. I will say this though, if any shit ever hits the fan (invasion, civil kerfuffle), police tactical teams are 100% getting integrated into the military, like we saw happen with KORD in Ukraine in the early stages of the war, or Russia deploying some of their equivalent of fed tactical teams.
Issue is that feds would be spread thin. Theres sporadic federal agents around every population center in the US doing various things. From FBI safestreet task forces to DEA to Food and Drug or US Postage doing whatever the frick they do (not much in my experience). Even then more than half of them would be too stupid to manage a local force of state/local LE to accomplish govt directives. Maybe the Natty Guard but a lot of them are basically worthless and moronic as well. Local beat cops are just dudes answering calls for service and managing traffic for the most part. Hardly good for riots as we saw summer 2019 much less complete shit the fan.
>Maybe the Natty Guard but a lot of them are basically worthless and moronic as well. Local beat cops are just dudes answering calls for service and managing traffic for the most part. Hardly good for riots as we saw summer 2019 much less complete shit the fan.
That's generally the point. Ukraine loses around 200 men per day, in all out war you just want poorly trained men to throw at the enemy and pay the blood toll.
Anyone who's vaguely competent seems to be shoved into "UA SOF." I bet a similar thing would happen to America, anyone who's competent gets shoved into "elite" units.
Literally any armed man can handle an American riot. One assault rifle and a full chamber and a solid resolve is all that is needed. As soon as you shoot one guy everyone else disperses and its over, no one's getting hurt anymore and all the buildings that might otherwise go up in flames stay intact.
But no no no, that would be immoral and polarising
Got to remember that a decent chunk of those cops who would do well integrated into a military unit are probably going to get called up as a part of the guard anyway. A third of my unit are cops for Christ sake
The Guard and Reserves guys I worked with when I was a cop were all fricking morons and twonwere complete pussies but I'm sure it varies broadly by area/unit, etc
SAD/Orange/Army of Northern Virginia is an actual Army Reserve unit with glowBlack folk because they are often Title 10 when they are operating operationally in the operational area.
Brazilian Units probably got the most experience and highest body count in the world.
Motherfrickers wearing cowboy hats, and firing obscure WWII machine guns off the sides of Littlebirds n shit
When you need to burn an entire churchload of women and children to death, the HRT are the troons to call in the U.S. The only better outfit internationally are the Russian Spaznats, who can gas an entire theater or blow up an entire school just to kill the half dozen terrorists inside.
I've interacted with these gaybags before and I can say without a doubt they are the most arrogant pricks within the DOD bar none. Secret service, Delta, CIA (I don't really know if I met a CIA guy, just a guess based off where he was and what was going on) are all far more professional and laid back. HRT have their heads so far up their own asses it's unreal. Biggest bag of chodes I've ever been around and their superiority complex is utterly unwarranted considering they're just a SWAT team that gets to play with GPNVG's.
Being stationed in the National Capitol Region will have you brushing shoulders with lots of 3 letter agencies. I've never actively worked with any of them except secret service and CAG (and that was extremely briefly/not very exciting) but I've spoken to and been around quite a few dudes who are part of spooky government units and agencies. HRT is by far the least pleasant group of buttholes around.
I can promise you we hate ourselves more than you ever could. So glad to have left that duty station even if I did get to interact with spooks from time to time
I havent talked to any HRT guys but can confirm that the FBI are douchebags. Frick those dorks. DEA are way cooler, laid back, fun to be around. DEA also shoot a lot more frickers on takedowns. And the people DEA shoot tend to be actual shitheads. Cartel or gang members. >local yokel piggy
Mike Glover did it to get away from the feel good politics starting to infest socom (investigate every killing in a military op). Then CIA got infested next and he quit.
said pipe hitters are gtg for sure.
Problem is pipe hitters are under the command of others, and some commanders are actually moronic. I recall MGs interview with Jocko >hey Mike you're good to go back out on missions
The frick you talking about, I just got back from a mission >Oh, well, you were under investigation for that guy you killed
What? We kill people all the time! We're soldiers! >Oh, well, nvm, you got cleared this time so no worries
No, they're retiring to babysit embassies, analysts, and humint types. There's no elite secret mission spy movie nonsense. It's a bodyguard/security guard slot.
Nobody wants a bunch of terrorist-exterminating dickheads running domestic hrt. That's for considered, older people who set up an environment of minimum collateral damage. Somebody with serious ragrets and a will to not repeat them.
Let the meatheads grind meat, that's what they're for.
Sure if your opfor is crazy SSRI kid shooters, a religious cult with women and children, or a backwoods family doing some gunsmithing on the side. Then sure. Yeah. They're the toughest of the tough. Real badasses. They put the OP in operator.
It's an easy or easier 'in' for Federal LE work. Also it's a great way to work with and connect/network with other Fed LE Agencies(ICE, USMS, DEA ect) that might end up helping me move to another branch when the time comes. Also since it's a govt LE job they auto approve you for an age waiver if the time comes and you need it.
People called me schizo for stating this before but i believe there are high speed units for clandestine glowBlack person bullshit that you probably don't know the name of, and these units don't exist permanently, but are more like ad-hoc unit formed for a specific mission or group of interconnected tasks, and when they have finished their job they're disband again, so even in the remote chance that it is found out what they did, no one can pin it on anyone.
Basically give everyone in the unit a false identity, don't even give the "unit" a real name, and when it's done everyone goes their seperate ways again.
Every ukro or vatnik soldier with a few weeks of combat experience is better than any FBI team. Actual combat experience trumps whatever training they have. So no, they aren't even close to being the most "elite" unit.
To be more verbose; I would be surprised if there is a single FBI or CIA special force in existence defeating the average front line unit even remotely. No chance.
To be more verbose; I would be surprised if there is a single FBI or CIA special force in existence defeating the average front line unit even remotely. No chance.
I've seen FBI on the OBJ in AFG. They rolled out in all of the Gucci kit and basically hid in a mud hut when the shooting started. The ODA on the OBJ was not impressed.
State Troopers used to be badasses almost across the board. NC ones used to be pretty tough. Carried convoy saps into the 90s and 2000s and werent afriad to use them. But now they're homosexuals with an inflated ego.
At least in Florida (and I suspect most other states as well) the Highway Patrol was a depression era jobs program for out of work WWI veterans. The idea was to keep them on a state payroll so they would be less likely to get hungry and go red/black. Drivers Licenses got started as a way to fund it. Once the economy recovered they were kept because more power is better than less power.
>Collect evidence
Saw no evidence of that. Nah bro, they were scared. In other words, like most GS/GG they are just collecting a check and are cool to show up fully kitted out to arrest grandma. They fold like a sheet of paper in the face of even modest resistance.
Elite (my interpretation of your use) means highest retention and lowest selection rate through a long process. I (career army) would go with PJ. They are JSOC tier shooters, but have capabilities to rescue and bear hostile natural and human environments
When I went to CQD school (where Phase 3 BUDS is done) the Navy instructor said that when swat guys are like “we did 100 entries last year”, they are going in super stacked, slow and methodical where as in a non-permissive AOR, you may be blasting house to house, blazing through without clearing every inch of a place, etc. The FIB was direct hiring SpecOps guys a while ago so I’m sure they are pretty salty. I was down there long ago when they were doing touch and go’s with their unmarked Bell and it was cool to watch.
>FBI Hostage Rescue Team the most elite unit in the world?
Not many units can boast about headshotting a mother holding her child, then burning kids alive in a building.
I remember watching a video of a former HRT member who said their job consist of 95% training and very rarely when they get sent to an area that they actually get to utilize their skill set because local PD or swat can neutralize the situation. Then after 9/11 they started deploying with Seal teams and Rangers to Iraq and Afghanistan because the FBI wanted them to get actual experience. Sounded like a very blue balled occupation
>their job consist of 95% training and very rarely when they get sent to an area that they actually get to utilize their skill set because local PD or swat cant neutralize the situation.
to be fair, I believe that's why the HRT exists. they can assist small towns or cities that don't have the adequate resources to deal with a terrorist/hostage event.
>Then after 9/11 they started deploying with Seal teams and Rangers to Iraq and Afghanistan because the FBI wanted them to get actual experience.
I remember seeing photos online of FBI being deployed in afghanistan/iraq and I was pretty shocked.
>They have Delta level selection and training
No, no they don't. I have known HRT and CAG guys. HRT are good shooters but they are not going to infiltrate into a non permissive AO.
I've spent my entire life since graduating high school with the goal of attending selection for HRT. I'm pretty far in the pipeline of checking boxes to apply under the tactical recruiting program. I'm also prior combat arms.
I know as much about them as you can get without actually being a fed.
I'm going to skip all the BS and get to the point.
FBI HRT has been in the stack with Delta and other tier 1 units. This is confirmed by Delta veteran Chris VanSant who has been a guest on many podcast. They work with just about any SOCOM unit and are undoubtedly on-par. They were present for a grab operation in Libya where they were with CAG going after those responsible for Benghazi.
The entire point of their existence is to be a Tier 1 unit responsible for CT/HR on US soil to prevent military from doing it and to achieve FBI objectives abroad in conjunction with Mil.
Is CAG/Devgru better? Yes, because they still have to learn military shit like calling in arty for example. But purely in the HR sense, using evidence they are at least equivalent. (Rescuing the boy in the bunker)
Any answer that comes to a different conclusion is wrong. There is a lot of LARP and anti-fed redneckism in this thread. WACO and Ruby ridge will always be brought up but in the grand scheme of the Unit, doesnt mean anything.
oh great it's the fanboy, I can tell by your IP. Buddy it's time to give up, just face it, not everyone can get on HRT. The HRT program turns the manliest of men into sissies, you gotta have hair on your chest just to be considered a starting point. Me and the Girls over at Langley always make fun of this chump for simping over us so hard. He keeps calling my partner and asking to talk to me, idk how he keeps getting the number. You will never be an HRT
VDV
Quite literally
They're
>HRT barely trains for direct action outside of the very specific situations that warrant their deployment, almost any other CTU in the United States cross trains for harder action and probably gets more time doing it live.
Basically. If dod could operate in the states you wouldn't even want these dickheads showing up.
They shot down our jet!
VEH DEH VEH
Physically above sure, temporarily.
Well, they were.
Are there even any vdv left?
rate their equipment
>b guy in the middle
>get FRT patch
>oh fug
>orange
Neat.
ive never seen any government agency utilize straight angle magazines in an AR before.
The orange barrels make me think it's a simunition type setup, with propriety magazines to feed only the marker rounds and clear to ensure no live rounds are in them.
Yeah those are sim round mags
Theyre 9mm Simunition magazines
>only one section of the mag is the ammo stack
> orange muzzle and stock to stop dumb Feds using live guns in training or viceversa
marking your training guns is normal and intelligent
This honestly looks worse than any regular army leg unit. Probably like big city SWAT team tier.
Well yeah, most of the time they train as a SWAT team would, for domestic threats I’m usually an urban area. They do deploy overseas however, and when they do their gear is on par with the SOF/SF guys they are embedded with.
>that peq-2
is this an old picture?
>is this an old picture?
this one is from august 2019
>thermal and night vision in broad daylight in front of cameras
fake and gay
What top is that? I would like to purchase some. Or ones that look like it.
This is not FBI HRT.
>This is not FBI HRT.
it's possible they are FBI swat. they dress the same way.
but this image
is directly from the fbi.gov website
Multicam base and RG is peak aesthetic
this picture is ancient. HRT, has la rue rails and spuhr mounts.
USMS SOG is pretty slick too.
the gun.
FRICK THE FEDS
>building tagged to shit
>pretty slick
lmao, they were blinded by fricking Black folk.
>eat spinach
Who have they ever rescued?
postal police
>the mailbox cover
lmao
I mean, what good are they as postal police if they can't defend a mailbox?
Damn he do be packing a thicc trunk
New york city sanitation police
its a constant fight against an unstoppable enemy
>*BRAAAAP*
>that shit eating grin
>The streets are dirty and I'm gonna clean em up *law and order noises*
O.0
11/10 ass on the right
Game changing stability starts with a firm rear
he got the dumpy
>postal service guy using the mailbox for cover instead of protecting the mailbox
fricking pigs.
Actually considering this as a profession because of my previous experience as as a Mail Carrier. I've always wanted to do something to stop drugs from ruining communities.
tight pants = tight groupings
mirin
lmao what are you fricking moronic? HRT barely trains for direct action outside of the very specific situations that warrant their deployment, almost any other CTU in the United States cross trains for harder action and probably gets more time doing it live. Guys in the HRT have more important jobs to do than just pull triggers and be high speed low drag.
They are retired, middle-age SOCOM personal.
im pretty sure every single hostage situation is over before these shitheads arrive
Fricked by Chrisp Rat/10
nasa security
This 100%. I had a family friend in the realm of these places (can't say what) and I can confirm they post absolute goon squads at these types of locations. I'm talking Delta-tier former operators.
Its more likely that "delta-tier" former operators get out and get first dibs on these security gigs by virtue of being high-speed and already cleared for the security. So its like a retirement package.
KSC Security were one of the first adopters of the MP5. They only guard the NASA facilities though. Most of the range is guarded by Air Force Security Forces due to Cape Canaveral mostly being DoD land. Vandenberg is strictly DoD, but NASA has a few facilities there too.
Standing guard all day in the open Florida sun with no shade must suck, give the poor guy a boonie cap at least
you just stay over there, and we'll be a happy little human race.
The guys who guard the nuclear power plants go pretty hard.
department of energy's srt, right? i knew a guy who did that in nevada. he was a former army engineer, though, and he says they were issued sr-25s, which i guess makes sense since they were in the middle of the desert.
>tfw had it in to get a armed nuke job but fell for uni meme and do nothing but give narcan to junkies in a big city now
It isn't fair bros.
Nuclear employee here
No they don't.
To clarify, they do train a LOT, there's a private range at basically all plants in the country with guard towers, barriers, simulated vehicles on tracks, etc.. they regularly conduct plant wide MOUT training with MILES gear, they bring in USMC once or twice a year for force on force (marines have capture and control objectives in the plant and assault it)
I know one plant has a CROWS tower, and a full fleet of armored vehicles.
And the entire plant is designed with defense in depth 50cal rated barriers.
Guns are predominantly SIG MCX SBRs with either a SIG red fot or aimpoint, sometimes a thermal scope, or Armalite brand M4s with a PRO.
But the security teams are literally securitas usa guards that make like $25-$32 an hour TOPS and have an IQ somewhere around rural police. They're not hard operators, and they're not very good at their jobs. They look high speed on paper but that's about it. The plant is just designed in a way that even fat black women could successfully repel SEALs, so it doesn't matter.
Oh and one plant in an arid area has M1a national match rifles for the shift sniper positions, and 10CFR20 has provisions for explosives use by security, but I don't know if anyone actually has HE on site.
Hanford? I've heard weird things about f150 technicals with .50s.
You are making the mistake of associating DOE with commercial nuclear power.
I don't work with DOE, I'm describing privately owned civilian commercial power plants.
You made more a year as a cop, I guarantee it. Security are the lowest paid people at a power plant.
Try ~18-22/hour and humping calls all day. 25-32 to frick around is nice for a poor working class dipshit like me
What state? LEO experience is an easy in to plant security.
Better money than I made as an actual cop and its easy? And you get cool toys and training? AND I can not be very good at it?? Sounds awesome.
DOE nuke guys != fat private security Black folk
I dont know about going hard but the dude at mine is ex-swat and got a portable rocket launcher in the back
>Who is above them if anybody?
your mom
their only peers when it comes to HR is Bragg and Dam Neck
In 1993 at Waco, the FBI hostage rescue team killed more civilians than they had ever rescued.
A worse track record than spetsnaz after the Moscow movie theater crisis and the Belsan siege
Holy shit
How many people died in the spetznaz gassing?
170 people (presumably counting terrorists) out of 850 hostages
So, if the guy I replied to is correct, they have a better rescue to kill ration than FBI HRT
there were no hostages at Waco to rescue
the fbi take hostages they dont rescue them
CAG
DEVGRU, everyone else is basically pure shit
Honestly the DEA FAST team probably gets in more fights
Doubt it, especially now that we aren’t in Afghanistan anymore. DEA FAST has seen some shit in South America and Afghanistan but a lot of it was what they would do back here in the US, just in a war zone.
How many of these units are essentially jobs programs to keep ex-SF from acting like 19th century filibusters?
The Vermont Highway Patrolman. Wait that was super troopers. Nvm
If you're talking generally, almost every other single agency/detachment in virtually every government, including the US because the DOE had 9mm Colt SMGs that were just cool as frick. When it comes to CTUs / spec-ops, JTF2 has a much better track record and reputation just in the west let alone in deployment alongside standard military detachments.
they couldn't catch one rogue seal with a gunshot wound in the California desert even with drones
another hollyweird film where the plate carrier is a full foot beneath the collarbone
SEALs aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Why did they barely use their fricking NODs in a pitch-dark tunnel complex? Why didn't they cut the tripwire? Why didn't they cut the cables leading to the semtex? Why didn't they realize that there was English-labeled explosive lining the walls hinting at a setup?
How often to do SEALs actually do scuba missions?
They still get trained in scuba diving and underwater demolition, but in practice they keep trying to compete with Rangers and MARSOC for missions better suited for ground-pounders and have had a bunch of high-profile frickups as a result.
>seals competing with Rangers
You realize it was a TV show not based on anything right lol
They come in handy when the state or city has inadequate resources to defeat crime.
Does anyone know if they flew to uvalde?
Literally any top military unit, concluding that HRT and CIA SAD are above Delta force because they hire people who worked in Delta is like concluding that the Sports Center broadcasting announcers are the best basketball team in the world
>concluding that HRT and CIA SAD are above Delta force
well one big problem is we will never know what CIA SAD really does in combat because it's secret.
same with any tier 1 unit, all activities top secret or need to know, doesn’t mean we don’t know what they do
They aren’t clearing buildings or rescuing hostages, if anything elite spies are spending their time getting caught on camera giving rocuronium to arms dealers in dubai hotels or whatever
Me
>bpa
No, the Space Force’s Orbital Drop Shock Troop units are
camouflage should be banned from police service, they aren't the military and it creates a mental image of them being integrated with the military, which is not comforting to anyone
You sound like a homosexual, but you aren’t totally wrong. They need to just wear OD green. I will say this though, if any shit ever hits the fan (invasion, civil kerfuffle), police tactical teams are 100% getting integrated into the military, like we saw happen with KORD in Ukraine in the early stages of the war, or Russia deploying some of their equivalent of fed tactical teams.
well yeah, police are basically an auxiliary to enforce state tyranny, they don't give a single frick about citizens but it doesn't mean they should be running around larping as socom to round up drunk beaners and every two bit criminal that waves a glock around
i agree, but it's not as bothersome as some larper showing up to your neighbors house in full kit to seize 4oz of weed
kek morons
I agree. I also think visible tattoos should be disqualifying — I don’t want cops looking like fricking pirates or convicts or goons.
You're right
Most communication is non verbal. When police wear camo it gives the impression that they're at war with their own people. Discerning the validity of that impression is a different topic but it can't be argued that is the message delivered, because wearing military camo is ostensibly directly associated with being in the military, and the military's job is to go to war. If anything, by wearing camo, police are mimicking military appearance to soak some of the military's favorable public image and that's not fair to either party, nor is it fair to the citizens who actually pay both other parties.
I'm a former cop and agree 100%. Our local part time swat team wore all OD green and camo was explicitly banned. Also didnt like black because it made you look like a death squad or whatever. I think blue or green is appropriate.
Issue is that feds would be spread thin. Theres sporadic federal agents around every population center in the US doing various things. From FBI safestreet task forces to DEA to Food and Drug or US Postage doing whatever the frick they do (not much in my experience). Even then more than half of them would be too stupid to manage a local force of state/local LE to accomplish govt directives. Maybe the Natty Guard but a lot of them are basically worthless and moronic as well. Local beat cops are just dudes answering calls for service and managing traffic for the most part. Hardly good for riots as we saw summer 2019 much less complete shit the fan.
>Maybe the Natty Guard but a lot of them are basically worthless and moronic as well. Local beat cops are just dudes answering calls for service and managing traffic for the most part. Hardly good for riots as we saw summer 2019 much less complete shit the fan.
That's generally the point. Ukraine loses around 200 men per day, in all out war you just want poorly trained men to throw at the enemy and pay the blood toll.
Anyone who's vaguely competent seems to be shoved into "UA SOF." I bet a similar thing would happen to America, anyone who's competent gets shoved into "elite" units.
Literally any armed man can handle an American riot. One assault rifle and a full chamber and a solid resolve is all that is needed. As soon as you shoot one guy everyone else disperses and its over, no one's getting hurt anymore and all the buildings that might otherwise go up in flames stay intact.
But no no no, that would be immoral and polarising
Got to remember that a decent chunk of those cops who would do well integrated into a military unit are probably going to get called up as a part of the guard anyway. A third of my unit are cops for Christ sake
The Guard and Reserves guys I worked with when I was a cop were all fricking morons and twonwere complete pussies but I'm sure it varies broadly by area/unit, etc
>Is the FBI Hostage Rescue Team the most elite unit in the world?
Right after the CIA's SAD, yes.
>skull mask
Defenetely a airshitter
We've got a Wikipedia-reading expert here everyone
>Musket + Suppressor
>NODs
>Scope
>No laser or any way to aim with night vision
What did he mean by this?
SAD/Orange/Army of Northern Virginia is an actual Army Reserve unit with glowBlack folk because they are often Title 10 when they are operating operationally in the operational area.
they do not look like that
>Who is above them if anybody?
Brazilian Units probably got the most experience and highest body count in the world.
Motherfrickers wearing cowboy hats, and firing obscure WWII machine guns off the sides of Littlebirds n shit
*Brazilian Units like BOPE*
Me and the homies at Pinellas Co shootin range.
When you need to burn an entire churchload of women and children to death, the HRT are the troons to call in the U.S. The only better outfit internationally are the Russian Spaznats, who can gas an entire theater or blow up an entire school just to kill the half dozen terrorists inside.
I've interacted with these gaybags before and I can say without a doubt they are the most arrogant pricks within the DOD bar none. Secret service, Delta, CIA (I don't really know if I met a CIA guy, just a guess based off where he was and what was going on) are all far more professional and laid back. HRT have their heads so far up their own asses it's unreal. Biggest bag of chodes I've ever been around and their superiority complex is utterly unwarranted considering they're just a SWAT team that gets to play with GPNVG's.
Great fiction story any non-fiction?
Being stationed in the National Capitol Region will have you brushing shoulders with lots of 3 letter agencies. I've never actively worked with any of them except secret service and CAG (and that was extremely briefly/not very exciting) but I've spoken to and been around quite a few dudes who are part of spooky government units and agencies. HRT is by far the least pleasant group of buttholes around.
8th and I or camp david?
JBM-HH, not a Marine
I hate army marchers so much it's unreal.
I can promise you we hate ourselves more than you ever could. So glad to have left that duty station even if I did get to interact with spooks from time to time
I havent talked to any HRT guys but can confirm that the FBI are douchebags. Frick those dorks. DEA are way cooler, laid back, fun to be around. DEA also shoot a lot more frickers on takedowns. And the people DEA shoot tend to be actual shitheads. Cartel or gang members.
>local yokel piggy
>FBI
>DOD
Their acronym is HRT so they're retroactively ruined forever
HRT is the retirement home of high speed sof dudes / some tier 1.
that's where they inherit their training programs / ttps as well.
so from their own organizational structure, they're not first and never will be.
first will always be tier 1 SMUs and CIA SAD/SOG/SAC spooks e.g. Mike Glover, Shawn Ryan, Evan Hafer.
>CIA
>first
CIA's a retirement slot too.
>CIA's a retirement slot too.
you think they're joining to be analysts?
Mike Glover did it to get away from the feel good politics starting to infest socom (investigate every killing in a military op). Then CIA got infested next and he quit.
politics don't discredit the capabilities of the actual pipe hitters doing clandestine shit
Glover said CIA has the hardest shooting qualy out there.
said pipe hitters are gtg for sure.
Problem is pipe hitters are under the command of others, and some commanders are actually moronic. I recall MGs interview with Jocko
>hey Mike you're good to go back out on missions
The frick you talking about, I just got back from a mission
>Oh, well, you were under investigation for that guy you killed
What? We kill people all the time! We're soldiers!
>Oh, well, nvm, you got cleared this time so no worries
I know a few guys who have shot that CIA qual. But let's be real on the clan shit. Just another GS on TDY.
No, they're retiring to babysit embassies, analysts, and humint types. There's no elite secret mission spy movie nonsense. It's a bodyguard/security guard slot.
Shawn Ryan straight up said assassinations were part of mission profile
you're confusing SAC SOG with GRS, two completely different missions
>you think they're joining to be analysts?
why is that chick named Jeff?
>misgendering Jeff
That's pretty insensitive, anon.
The analyst is named Jeff too. Both the analyst and the chick are called "Jeff Anderson"
Nobody wants a bunch of terrorist-exterminating dickheads running domestic hrt. That's for considered, older people who set up an environment of minimum collateral damage. Somebody with serious ragrets and a will to not repeat them.
Let the meatheads grind meat, that's what they're for.
>Reddit spacing
>FBI
Sure if your opfor is crazy SSRI kid shooters, a religious cult with women and children, or a backwoods family doing some gunsmithing on the side. Then sure. Yeah. They're the toughest of the tough. Real badasses. They put the OP in operator.
*retch*
HRT bows to Uvalde PD
Yeah if you need a dog or a nursing mother murdered there definitely the guys to call.
if they are so elite how come i never heard of them rescuing anybody?
Obligatory
>no USMS SOG
needs update
jgsdf has to be changed now
How do you guys learn about all of these foreign agencies?
Autism
any LEOanons? I'm applying to be a Federal U.S. Parole Officer. Wish me luck.
Why the frick would you want that job??
It's an easy or easier 'in' for Federal LE work. Also it's a great way to work with and connect/network with other Fed LE Agencies(ICE, USMS, DEA ect) that might end up helping me move to another branch when the time comes. Also since it's a govt LE job they auto approve you for an age waiver if the time comes and you need it.
Oh so youre just using it to get into the federal system. Carry on, that makes sense. I thought you were like "hooray I'm gonna be a PO!" lol
If you can ignore that they just injected a speedball and instead just tell them to clean up their room, you'll do fine.
>Who is above them if anybody?
Take their equipment and training, give to someone from Vietnam.
People called me schizo for stating this before but i believe there are high speed units for clandestine glowBlack person bullshit that you probably don't know the name of, and these units don't exist permanently, but are more like ad-hoc unit formed for a specific mission or group of interconnected tasks, and when they have finished their job they're disband again, so even in the remote chance that it is found out what they did, no one can pin it on anyone.
Basically give everyone in the unit a false identity, don't even give the "unit" a real name, and when it's done everyone goes their seperate ways again.
That's basically the plot of Reservoir Dogs
and Sicario
Are you cleared Delta Green? They're called Task Forces.
They do that shit all the time. That's not exactly a secret.
The Rhode Island troopers.
Vagiclean huh?
idk man i saw something called alfa team or something like that on cod i think it is better
oh it was delta now i remember i think they are the best
Every ukro or vatnik soldier with a few weeks of combat experience is better than any FBI team. Actual combat experience trumps whatever training they have. So no, they aren't even close to being the most "elite" unit.
To be more verbose; I would be surprised if there is a single FBI or CIA special force in existence defeating the average front line unit even remotely. No chance.
A semicolon is used to separate two independent clauses, but you're right
Nice b8 m8, but nobody is actually that moronic
what do you mean b8? it's an obvious observation that front line units would wipe the floor with any "special force" without actual combat experience.
I've seen FBI on the OBJ in AFG. They rolled out in all of the Gucci kit and basically hid in a mud hut when the shooting started. The ODA on the OBJ was not impressed.
>I've seen FBI on the OBJ in AFG. They rolled out in all of the Gucci kit and basically hid in a mud hut when the shooting started.
That's because the FBI doesn't go overseas to engage in combat. They go there to observe, train, and collect evidence for the united states.
Fifty years ago these were the types of officers to smack the shit out of you if you talked back to them.
State Troopers used to be badasses almost across the board. NC ones used to be pretty tough. Carried convoy saps into the 90s and 2000s and werent afriad to use them. But now they're homosexuals with an inflated ego.
At least in Florida (and I suspect most other states as well) the Highway Patrol was a depression era jobs program for out of work WWI veterans. The idea was to keep them on a state payroll so they would be less likely to get hungry and go red/black. Drivers Licenses got started as a way to fund it. Once the economy recovered they were kept because more power is better than less power.
>Collect evidence
Saw no evidence of that. Nah bro, they were scared. In other words, like most GS/GG they are just collecting a check and are cool to show up fully kitted out to arrest grandma. They fold like a sheet of paper in the face of even modest resistance.
You called vatniks soldiers, and better than something. Prepare to be hohol spammed
Elite (my interpretation of your use) means highest retention and lowest selection rate through a long process. I (career army) would go with PJ. They are JSOC tier shooters, but have capabilities to rescue and bear hostile natural and human environments
>They are JSOC tier shooters,
Lol. Lmao. Have you seen the image of that fricker with the upside down mags? Fricking wgws tier moronation.
Tbf that guy was an LT on his first deployment
FBI Hormone Replacement Team
Heretic Removal Team
>PUT YOUR HANDS UP YOU'RE UNDER ARREST FOR POSESSION AND DISTRIBUTION OF CHILD PIZZA
I wasn't expecting that.
When I went to CQD school (where Phase 3 BUDS is done) the Navy instructor said that when swat guys are like “we did 100 entries last year”, they are going in super stacked, slow and methodical where as in a non-permissive AOR, you may be blasting house to house, blazing through without clearing every inch of a place, etc. The FIB was direct hiring SpecOps guys a while ago so I’m sure they are pretty salty. I was down there long ago when they were doing touch and go’s with their unmarked Bell and it was cool to watch.
>FBI Hostage Rescue Team the most elite unit in the world?
Not many units can boast about headshotting a mother holding her child, then burning kids alive in a building.
ISIS
I remember watching a video of a former HRT member who said their job consist of 95% training and very rarely when they get sent to an area that they actually get to utilize their skill set because local PD or swat can neutralize the situation. Then after 9/11 they started deploying with Seal teams and Rangers to Iraq and Afghanistan because the FBI wanted them to get actual experience. Sounded like a very blue balled occupation
>their job consist of 95% training and very rarely when they get sent to an area that they actually get to utilize their skill set because local PD or swat cant neutralize the situation.
to be fair, I believe that's why the HRT exists. they can assist small towns or cities that don't have the adequate resources to deal with a terrorist/hostage event.
>Then after 9/11 they started deploying with Seal teams and Rangers to Iraq and Afghanistan because the FBI wanted them to get actual experience.
I remember seeing photos online of FBI being deployed in afghanistan/iraq and I was pretty shocked.
>extend half your body out of cover
>elite
They should just stick to setting up morons for false flags. At least they are good at that.
my buddies and I, zero frens injured or killed, zero of my homosexuals killed or injured. 18 unfrens ded, none injured.
south america in the 80's doesn't count.
>I bet they were injured, and you killshot them anyways.
yup
yeah, ghost posting is frowned upon on this board Rangergay
Japan SAT
SAS has always been unparalleled.
they are sabotage experts.
>FBI Hostage Rescue Team the most elite unit in the world?
Hahahahahahahahah
post operator units of obscure countries
> Georgian state security service SOF
Unit 777
>Who is above them
Spetsnaz. Kill them all. Let God sort them out.
>Who is above them if anybody?
GIGN
>when the terrorists are white
>when the terrorists are brown
>Who is above them if anybody
Me
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-181-chris-whitcomb/id1187664795?i=1000479173008
Here's a podcast with one of the founders of HRT. They have Delta level selection and training. And apparently do global direct action.
>They have Delta level selection and training
No, no they don't. I have known HRT and CAG guys. HRT are good shooters but they are not going to infiltrate into a non permissive AO.
>delta level
Only the SAS can make that claim, otherwise, nah
>FBI
Fricking NAH
I've spent my entire life since graduating high school with the goal of attending selection for HRT. I'm pretty far in the pipeline of checking boxes to apply under the tactical recruiting program. I'm also prior combat arms.
I know as much about them as you can get without actually being a fed.
I'm going to skip all the BS and get to the point.
FBI HRT has been in the stack with Delta and other tier 1 units. This is confirmed by Delta veteran Chris VanSant who has been a guest on many podcast. They work with just about any SOCOM unit and are undoubtedly on-par. They were present for a grab operation in Libya where they were with CAG going after those responsible for Benghazi.
The entire point of their existence is to be a Tier 1 unit responsible for CT/HR on US soil to prevent military from doing it and to achieve FBI objectives abroad in conjunction with Mil.
Is CAG/Devgru better? Yes, because they still have to learn military shit like calling in arty for example. But purely in the HR sense, using evidence they are at least equivalent. (Rescuing the boy in the bunker)
Any answer that comes to a different conclusion is wrong. There is a lot of LARP and anti-fed redneckism in this thread. WACO and Ruby ridge will always be brought up but in the grand scheme of the Unit, doesnt mean anything.
All that effort to get in to be disqualified because you post here, sad!
Training does not equal experience. How many actions do they see that are actually meaningful?
I'm not going to lie and say a lot, but the few high profile ones within the last decade have been successful.
You're thinking of " The Unit " I was just using the word in the regular sense.
Theres been 2 I can think of from the top of my head. The most famous one was the Alabama bunker thing that I mentioned earlier.
I'd like to present the argument that they dont happen anymore because all these police/military teams serve as a deterrent.
oh great it's the fanboy, I can tell by your IP. Buddy it's time to give up, just face it, not everyone can get on HRT. The HRT program turns the manliest of men into sissies, you gotta have hair on your chest just to be considered a starting point. Me and the Girls over at Langley always make fun of this chump for simping over us so hard. He keeps calling my partner and asking to talk to me, idk how he keeps getting the number. You will never be an HRT
There is only one Unit and it's not HRT bro
>I've never worked with HRT or JSOC, but bro trust me, they are totally on the same level.
HRT is very good for domestic HR, probably. Does anyone know a situation where HRT actually did HR?
This
HRT was formed to prepare for back when terrorists took hostages for days at a time. That doesn't happen anymore.
>Does anyone know a situation where HRT actually did HR?
6 months ago
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2022/01/16/what-is-the-fbis-hostage-rescue-team-that-helped-the-colleyville-synagogue-hostages/
That Pakistani Bong probably expected British police who would dance around with him. Instead he got fedboi Matrix
agents
Hey I've been to that combat town before