I know kalashnaslav did some great improvements to the stg44 but isnt the bulk of the credit for the ak47s design due to the german stg44?
Is the ak47 technically a german weapon?
I know kalashnaslav did some great improvements to the stg44 but isnt the bulk of the credit for the ak47s design due to the german stg44?
>look at this other posts where I always have no argument
The atomic bomb was in the nazi's hand but just like the nips, they couldn't let the last slide
Not really, they went down a totally wrong rabbit hole about heavy water after a botched test. They were never remotely close. They would have needed hundreds of years to refine enough material.
And the M1 Garand.
Broadly speaking, no.
Looking at the general profile of both rifles they certainly look very similar, and they do share some mechanical similarities, but looking closer they are very different. For instance the bolt and trigger setup on the AK more closely resemble the Garand, and where the core of the STG is mostly a stamped upper tube, the AK is built around a milled or stamped receiver that sits mostly in the middle of the action rather than the top. Both rifles assemble and strip very differently. The AK's fire selector/dust cover design closely resembles the Remington model 8, although it's unclear if there was any direct inspiration or just coincidence.
The closest modern rifle to the STG44 would be the H&K G3 series, which makes sense because the G3 came from the CETME, which was developed from the STG45, which in turn was a prototype delayed blowback development of the STG44.
The AK by contrast was an amalgamation of many available designs, permitted by the fact that the USSR did not recognize intellectual property in general. Kalashnikov had a free hand to coopt anything he saw fit. The concept and doctrine for it was definitely taken from the STG44, but execution came from all over the place. Enough so that I think the AK can be considered an original design in it's own right.
this is the correct answer, the soviets saw the effectiveness of the assault rifle but they made their own version of it to solve the same task
Also the us with the m2 carbine no?
The M2 predates the STG and was fielded in somewhat large numbers. It typically gets forgotten tho because these were not that large a number.
At least not during the war proper. They went all-in on converting existing M1s to M2 standards, and quite a lot of those would see use in Korea.
>he AK's fire selector/dust cover design closely resembles the Remington model 8, although it's unclear if there was any direct inspiration or just coincidence.
Could be both. As long as Rem 8 was sold on private market before WWI and was probably somewhere in the reference collection.
>or just coincidence
>AK can be considered an original design
>Germany invented the AR15!!
vatBlack person cope
>you’re a Vatnik for actually knowing about guns
>does not hinge behind the magazine well
Try again
AK fanatics have the numbers (complemented by a sea of NoGunz) to flood online discourse and drown the truth
I thought it was well understood that Kalashnikov used the STG as a blue print for the AK? The similarities are pretty damning
>the gun has a spring therefore it is the same
The AK-47 uses a rotating bolt, the STG uses a tilting bolt.
daily reminder that Kalashnikov was an uneducated peasant the Soviets used as a face for the anonymous engineering team so they could have suitable propaganda lore about the creation of the weapon
When you don't have a John Moses Browning so you manufacture one and he still doesn't do as much as JMB did.
Yes and no. Kalashnikov was a village tinkerer who got into the military before the war to work on and with tanks. He had already designed and set up production of some sort of tools and gauges for tanks prior to the war, so he already had some baseline experience in the drafting/design/prototyping/testing/revision/production of a new mechanical thing before working on any gun designs. He also (illegally) obtained and made a few of his own firearms from scratch as a teenager, almost getting into serious shit for doing so.
In that sense Kalashnikov was more self-educated. It's fair to say he was a peasant, but the Soviet system did well to encourage and utilize his talent rather than dismiss it.
They played him up as a personality quite a bit, but to be fair JMB didn't work alone either. He would usually sell really rough patents and prototypes to be finished and finalized by others at Colt, Winchester or FN.
Kalashnikov was pretty modest about his role in interviews admitting that he headed his own small department, but it was one of many. His department submitted designs for various weapons trials unsuccessfully for years before succeeding with the assault rifle, but of course that is just part of the process.
If you actually take an AKM apart, it more closely resembles the internals of an M1 Garand, so I guess that technically makes it American, which is even funnier.
Come to think of it, a lot of Soviet shit straight-up comes from Americans
>Soviet car industry - a literally subsidiary of Ford
>BT-series tank - literally designed by J. Walter Christie who sold it to the Soviets because he was assblasted at the Department of Defense for rejecting it
>T-34 - based on the BT series and still uses the Christie suspension
>Tupolev Tu-4 - literally copied from a B-29 that crashed in Soviet territory
>Buran - Soviets allegedly got ahold of the specs of the Space Shuttle from American academic papers, albeit in this instance Buran was arguably an improvement on the Space Shuttle
>why yes, the American government has always been the servant of satan and golem of the israelite, how did you figure that out?
You also forgot nukes. The only reason soviets got nukes is because 2 israeli spies delivered the secrets to them.
yes, russians will steal everything and then call it their own
Is my penis technically Chinese just because it's small?
Obviously, they stole it from you and put a placeholder there.
the ak47 has way more in common with the m1 garand than any other weapon. kalashnikov was a big fan of garand and his rifle and working examples on hand to reference when he was developing the ak47. Now kalishnikov did do a lot to innovate the design and did some magic of his own to create the ak, but to break it down to fundamentals: it's basically a select fire magazine fed m1 garand upside down (or rightside up depending on how you look at it). The stg44 is similar in appearance, but they are not so similar in design.
Is this just trolling? Are you 12 and just saw the Stg44 in a vidya and though 'hmmmm this is just like the AK47'? Have you suffered severe head injury recently?
The Soviets took ideas from german and american rifles and fused them to create a rifle superior to all of them the the AK47.
It was a copy of neither but an innovation of both.
Russians make the best weapons. Best tanks, best airplanes, best rifles of WW2.
horrible bait
As I understand it, conceptually it was inspired with by the STG, but functionally it is a lot closer to the Garand
It's about as German as the Barret Model 95 is Prussian seeing as bolt actions were pioneered by the Nadelgewehr. You might as well call the longsword a derivative of the spatha.
No, it's more of a Canadian invention than a German one because the action of an AK is basically the same as that of the Garand, just upside down. This is probably bait though.