I feel like if thousands of men my age learned to shoot with a full size AR-15, there’s no reason I can’t do the same. Am a bit concerned about CQB though I should be fine
Is picrel a good beginners weapon?
I feel like if thousands of men my age learned to shoot with a full size AR-15, there’s no reason I can’t do the same. Am a bit concerned about CQB though I should be fine
it's a gun it goes bang what else do you want
>beginners weapon
>cqb
lol
I'm trans btw
Good for you anon
To not be shooting the air by round 3
>To not be shooting the air by round 3
wdhmbt?
Maybe he intends to operate operationally in a vacuum.
Do you have spaghetti arms? How are you going to be shooting the air after 3 rounds?
>cqb
lol what the frick? Also if you mean home defense, the fact it has peep irons will be a bigger problem than the barrel length. people use 18.5 and 20 inch shotguns all the time. you know the layout of your house and you aren't wearing body armor. those were the 2 bad parts about using A2s in buildings. any kind of illuminated optic is going to blow the frick out of iron sights in most situations. The only time I can think of that peep irons are better is if you are target shooting on a KD range because A2 sights are better at dialing than most optics people have, unless you specifically have an optic for that
>AR
>recoil
lol what?
you can put a flashlight on it, why would you need a laser? Those are only for night vision. And iron sights are usable, just shittier than optics
Black person im 5’7” and take estrogen and a 10.3 inch AR is easy to control, are you a disabled midget?
>5'7"
I'd say turn the barrel on yourself but you're probably too short even for that
>Audie Murphy was 5'4" and stacked bodies like a mother bear. Simo Hayaya was even shorter and killed more Russians than vodka. Most machine gunners are the shortest guy in the squad.
Face it, war is a manlet game. Lankets are just there to flank and lift heavy shit.
Who are you quoting?
stick the gun in your mouth troon.
Anything with a carry handle (A1, A2, Slickside, etc) is a range toy by today's standards. Just get an M&P Sport II if you want the classic FSB look while still having lots of parts selection (Most good manufacturers don't make rails in rifle lengths).
HOWEVER, if you are looking for an M16A2 as a range toy, then you can buy one straight off of PSA/HR and Fulton Armory. If you want to build one with low quality parts, then JSE Surplus has the hook-up on those.
Oh you moron
Your mom is a range toy
>Anything with a carry handle (A1, A2, Slickside, etc) is a range toy by today's standards
All civillian-owned firearms are range toys
I learned that way and am fine with it but I'm not autspergic. I just copied what I was used to and have no reason to do differently. Rifles don't win or lose wars and I like the handle as a handle. Fits me (6'2") so no issue. I only need one rifle, one shotgun (to protect muh chicken coop) and a few pistols hidden accessibly about my home and shops and have other more useful hobbies to spend on. If I bought more they'd sit idle.
If the alpacalips happens it will make no difference as I would then build esplody and incendiary things. Frick clearing buildings, burn them down then zap what runs out. I don't live in an urban area because those are far too confining, expensive, crowded and shitty.
Hunting arms used just for that excepted.
>Fulton Armory
>buy an A2 lower from Fulton with the factory installed Hi-Speed National Match Trigger
>Specs say the trigger is 4.5-6.5 lbs and the install instructions say you are supposed to set it so the first stage is 4lbs and second is 1 lb
>use trigger pull scale and find out Fulton installed my trigger at 6.5 lbs, as in 5lb first stage and 1.5lb second stage
>5lb first stage
not saying its heavy, just saying they are morons to made the trigger for a competition rifle heavier than it should have been.
Fair dinkum
It’s a great rifle for beginners, light recoil and iron sights will help you learn the basics of shooting. And also rifle length ARs are based.
>Am a bit concerned about CQB
It’s not like you’re going to actually use the thing in combat so why even worry about that?
There are thousands of people who learned how to shoot a rifle with an M16. It’s fine.
I was told that these are shitty because you can't put flashlights and laser designators on them. I was further told that iron sights are obsolete.
propaganda
I learned off one.
Shorter people might benefit from an adjustable stock. A2 stock is fine if your average height. Unless you're freakishly tall then it kinda wraps back around to being more useful.
Has extremely low recoil.
The carry handle sight tends to give a much better sight picture than some of the flip up m4 rear sights so even the smaller ring setting tends to be a lot easier and not necessary to flip it over to the larger set meant for night, it's not like you can see in the dark anyway or going to be learning to shoot in pitch black.
Carry handles tend to have a hole around the middle of the top for attachment of a small rail for an optic or whatever you want to fit on there. Changing out hand guards is basically just pulling the slip ring at the rear and jimmying it off. Full length AR's tend to get a little too heavy with a full length rail though which is fine if you're just shooting on a bench or whatever. The old school plastic guards have an aluminum insert and they tend to rattle a bit but they're a lot more comfortable if you're not using gloves or it's super fricking cold out rails aren't comfy when you've been out in below freezing temps for hours or days at a time but a beginner likely doesn't have to worry about that so much.
An A2 style (or even better an A4 style with the A2 carry handle irons on the rail) AR is possibly the best first rifle to learn basic rifle marksmanship on.
>Lightweight enough for almost anyone to easily handle
>Reliable but not overly forgiving of poor maintenance
>Irons are meant to be regularly adjusted for both elevation and windage after initial zeroing
>Cheap to feed so you can afford more practice
>Cheap and easy to replace parts on and modify to something tailored to you once you start figuring out what works for you and what doesn't
>Accurate and powerful enough to comfortably reach out to 500 yards so you can learn how to adjust for actually significant wind and bullet drop
>Has significant enough recoil for managing it correctly to matter when shooting but not enough to injure the shooter or instantly develop a serious flinching issue or an unsafe situation if managed improperly
>Cqb
Get an m7 for it and then the extra length can play to your favor
>I feel like if thousands of men my age learned to shoot with a full size AR-15, there’s no reason I can’t do the same.
Its one of the easiest rifles to shoot, lightweight and low recoil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttMuvmspa8o
>Am a bit concerned about CQB
Don't be, we are not navy seals fighting pirates in the tight spaces of cargo ships. civilians like us don't get in CQB situations.
>Is picrel a good beginner’s weapon?
Really depends on what you plan to use it for. It's relatively light weight for what it is. Still super strong and tough and can take a beating. Easy to put different parts on if some of it breaks down. It can be a bit cumbersome in a fight. The damage it can do really depends on you though. If you know how to get a good swing in though that shit will lay someone out. If you're some weakling I don't think the helmet will do that much damage to a target.
>TL;DR
bout a 3/10 beginner weapon.
Are you being gifted one or something? I see 0 reason to buy a fullsize AR unless you're either doing vietnam larp or doing relatively long distance shooting, otherwise a 16" or shorter barrel with a collapsible stock would serve you better unless you're just large
This. just buy a 16 inch fixed front sight AR with a detachable carry handle. Then later on you can get a new optic, upgrade the furniture, trigger or entire upper. Though I have a 16 inch and a 20 inch and the A2 stock is way more comfy than an m4 stock
the M4 cut meme needs to die.
>A2 stock is way more comfy than an m4 stock
Jesus Christ, I haven't shouldered anything other than an A2 and I almost can't believe that.
different shooters may find the same furniture more or less ergonomic for them based on their personal characteristics
a2 stock is smooth. m4 stock has plastic jutting up in your face
A2 has cheese grater serrations going straight into my silky alabaster shoulder.
do you not own a shirt?
It rubs me through my shirt. I get big raspberries. I would try to get a picture but I'm sick and don't want to puke all over it
I thought that was one of it's selling points since it doesn't snag as much on a plate carrier as the m4 stock and have that akward little flat rounded ledge at the bottom that you can't decide if you want to tuck it in or try to keep it out of your carrier and always slides off if you try to balance it ontop.
Butt plates to replace it use to be common years ago, I like the little storage area it has for where you're suppose to put cleaning supplies but that comes out with the butt plate and can be replaced with something that isn't as aggressively checkered like a thick rubber piece. I would think there are still quite a few floating around these days especially online. I wouldn't expect to ever see one at a gun show or shop though.
this moron praised how well it handles and killed 35 people with it. if he can do it, so can you.
the m16a2 is good and you will never even aim at another human you larping Black person.
>picrel
>M16A2 (auto sear clearly visible)
>good beginner’s weapon?
The first weapon I ever shot was an M4 at Ft. Benning's School For Troubled Teens. Literally just read the Army manual and you can shoot. It's not even a hard skill. I ended up getting my B4 eventually, and shooting is still the easiest part of it.
>there’s no reason I can’t do the same
Your skinnyfat arms might stop you.
>beginner
>CQB
Look at how common fratricide is in the military, then consider the fact that it's certainly heavily underreported. A well trained infantryman is still a liability to the people around him in a CQB situation, let alone some "beginner"
An AR is honestly a fantastic rifle for beginners.
Bonus points if you buy an A1 or A2 clone and git gud with iron sights.
CQB is you posting up in your room aiming at the doorway, you don’t need to clear shit and if you do just hipfire that b***h.
20” is great choice, and start with irons.
Anon 5ft beaners in fallujah did CQB with a full size M16, you’ll be fine. Also you will likely NEVER use your guns in an actual conflict.