you captured a murderous pedophile rapist cannibal of an opposing force who willingly surrendered himself after you got the upper hand. Is it wrong to restrain him by binding his hands while you decide what to do? is it then wrong if you decide he deserves to meet his maker? congratulations. you committed a war crime and shot a prisoner of war and are "evil"
He's been found guilty of those crimes in front of a jury of his peers? If so, then I would allow the proper authorities to deal with him. If not, then I would wait until he has faced trial. Innocent until proven guilty, commie.
Ideals are not morality. When Jesus talked about love and tolerance, he spoke of it in the context of the occupation of Judea and that particular political climate - when many were calling for an uprising against Rome (which they later did, and got their asses kicked). Jesus would not advocate just letting anyone and everyone rob you at any given time just because they have an army and zero morality and you are a dumb pacifist.
>Religious people are the people with the lowest morals on earth
I know what you mean but technically Religious people are amoral, not immoral.
They replace morality with dogma and just call doing obedience to their religion right instead of what is moral or immoral according to any philosophy.
The exception are the ones who just sin all the time and then pray for forgiveness or whatever and then do it all again. Those are immoral but they're usually not genuinely religious either, even though they go overboard on all the rituals.
>Religious people are the people with the lowest morals on earth
I know what you mean but technically Religious people are amoral, not immoral.
They replace morality with dogma and just call doing obedience to their religion right instead of what is moral or immoral according to any philosophy.
The exception are the ones who just sin all the time and then pray for forgiveness or whatever and then do it all again. Those are immoral but they're usually not genuinely religious either, even though they go overboard on all the rituals.
Atheism is a meme. Humans are naturally spiritual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The only natural things are those things that actually exist.
Show me this spirit you talk of.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Show me gravity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Certainly, step up to this window.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The fact of falling does mean that the Theory of Gravity is correct. Show me, using only visual information, proof that gravity works the way scientists say it does.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>those aren't proofs show me proofs
What are you hoping to achieve?
If you doubt gravity then you're mind is broken.
And if you don't then you're just dishonest.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't doubt gravity, because I am capable of believing in things that I cannot see : )
1 year ago
Anonymous
The fact of falling does mean that the Theory of Gravity is correct. Show me, using only visual information, proof that gravity works the way scientists say it does.
you only care about war crimes when it makes the country being attacked look bad, you fat neo-con homosexual. i wonder what shade of brown your parents are.
>neo-con
Frick israelites, frick the Bush family, and frick all war profiteers. Including Putin, who I'm sure is making plenty of money off of sending Russians to die for literally nothing but his own ego. It's a pointless war, but on the upside it's just slavs killing slavs so nothing of value was lost.
1 year ago
Anonymous
don't know what the slavs ever did to you but right now eastern europe is pretty much the last bastion of white normalcy against globohomo. how you can say that nothing of value was lost when blonde haired blue eyed children are dying, scythian artifacts are being plundered and russians are actively making a case FOR globohomosexual societies by their barbarism is beyond me. if you're white you need seriously reevaluate your morality.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>White >White >White
Shut the frick up you stupid cultureless mutt moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
>scythia >the region now known as the stans.
"white"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the veil drops 2 posts in
What a surprise.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What veil? Was I ever pretending not to be a neo-Nazi?
Yes, the US government cares a lot about PR and spin and making it seem like we're moral crusaders for democracy and justice. Stuff like this and GLADIO is bad optics.
>https://twitter.com/i/status/1607477025962430465
Do you have link to full interview? This is just too much edited, you can't tell about what subject he is talking about.
But to the points he is talking: >they are corrupted
Wow second most corupted county in Europe is actually corrupted >they are violating laws of war be filming pows
Frick off, it's funny >they are executing pows
It's never alright, but by the definition both sides didn't declare war so all Russian forces in Ukraine are separatists and terrorists so you could argue that rules of war don't apply for them
Col Andrew Milburn has been trying to shill for more money for fricking months. He is essentially pro-Russian in his opinion. Also, yes? Ukraine is corrupt. But here's the thing. Since 2014, Ukraine had improved its corruption ranking by like 30 ranks. Russia? Nope. None. Stayed the same.
and this
also; Max Blumenthal runs the Grayzone (main western source of 'Ukrainians are nazis' angle) and appears on RT and Sputnik arguing that its not state propaganda.
>Russian Narrative >from a ukie
hmm maybe that "narrative" isn't actually a narrative, but reality. If both sides are saying the same thing then it seems like the only one with a "narrative" are NAFO homosexuals
NAFO is literally a false flag operation run by vatBlack folk to make the Ukrainians look like annoying homosexuals. everyone associated with NAFO is actually a Russian asset; hopefully Azov takes care of them.
if you're not there on legal orders of your government, it doesn't matter you're in uniform, you're there on your own accord, you can be shot as a criminal
Incorrect. Read the fricking rules. If you are a uniformed combatant you are protected. Otherwise the Indians and Chinese having a border scrap can just do whatever they want because 'they aren't at war'. Don't be moronic.
Incorrect, once a fricking gain. >Members of the armed forces of a Party to a conflict (other than medical personnel and chaplains covered by Article 33 of the Third Convention) are combatants, that is to say, they have the right to participate directly in hostilities
It does not state 'war'. It states 'conflict'. They are uniformed, therefore protected.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>of a Party to a conflict
see, it doesn't include you, Russian, you're not here on legal orders of your government, there is no conflict, you're a bandit acting on your own accord
Firing squad
1 year ago
Anonymous
Again, I literally gave you an example. India and China shoot each other over border. So does India and Pakistan. They are not at war. Using your logic, they can do whatever they want because they AREN'T at war! Again, moron. Read the Geneva Convention. It does not state 'you have to be officially at war'. It states you have to be in armed conflict and be in uniforms. Therefore if a Pakistani is captured by an Indian, the Indian cannot execute him if he is in uniform.
What about this don't you get? >Y-y-y-y-y-y-you're *sniff* R-r-r-r-russian!
I'm Irish and I am not a moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
doesn't apply to Russians, who are not there on legal orders of their government, thus, you can legally shoot them all as pirates
1 year ago
Anonymous
technically, no orders of the Russian government are legal, but slavs aren't people and animals cannot form a legitimate government. Heil Hitler.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
1 year ago
Anonymous
technically, no orders of the Russian government are legal, but slavs aren't people and animals cannot form a legitimate government. Heil Hitler.
since* slavs aren't people. pic related is me in 5 minutes grabbing an afternoon cup of coffee so I'm not at 100% moronation
1 year ago
Anonymous
technically, no orders of the Russian government are legal, but slavs aren't people and animals cannot form a legitimate government. Heil Hitler.
1949 Geneva Conventions, governing the application of international humanitarian law, an international armed conflict exists when one state party to the Conventions uses armed force against another state, "even if the state of war is not recognised by one of them".
THEREFORE THEY ARE PROTECTED IF THEY ARE IN UNIFORMS. WHY ARE YOU FRICKING moronic?
1 year ago
Anonymous
now show us the part where it says pirates acting on their own accord without legal orders from their own are considered soldiers
1 year ago
Anonymous
The point is that Russia doesn't have to label it a war for them to be protected. The convention specifically uses the word 'CONFLICT' not 'WAR'. Again I use the examples of India-China and India-Pakistan. They are not at war. Yet they are protected because it is not WAR being the defining part of the law but CONFLICT.
Buddy, I don't know why you replied to me. I was just making a joke about the fact that slavs aren't people and should be completely eliminated to make room for the German people. Sieg Heil.
Accidental.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>CONFLICT
dude, performing internal police action your fricking fly by night pirate operation does not constitute as a conflict with another party under the conventions
1 year ago
Anonymous
>internal police action
So you're saying Ukraine is actually a part of Russia?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Russia is not a party, its all happening inside Ukraine between Ukrainians and a group of criminals acting on their own accord
1 year ago
Anonymous
Source?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Except it does and I have cited the legal basis of it. You have failed to do so. You labelling them 'pirates' does not work because they are in the uniforms of the Russian Federation military and are in CONFLICT. You do realise most nations never actually openly declare war, this isn't video game shit, right?
I have literally given you examples to other conflicts where using your moronic view of the situation would lead to masses of executions 'because they are not at war'. But that isn't what the fricking Geneva Convention says. You can go read them. Hell, several sites EXPLAIN why they are protected regardless of 'not declaration of war'.
1 year ago
Anonymous
there is no conflict if theres only one side, Ukrainians. Criminals acting on their own accord do not count as a side and do not have PoW protections.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Buddy, I don't know why you replied to me. I was just making a joke about the fact that slavs aren't people and should be completely eliminated to make room for the German people. Sieg Heil.
Except the laws state uniformed combatants, not wars, moron.
if you're not there on legal orders of your government, it doesn't matter you're in uniform, you're there on your own accord, you can be shot as a criminal
Incorrect. Read the fricking rules. If you are a uniformed combatant you are protected. Otherwise the Indians and Chinese having a border scrap can just do whatever they want because 'they aren't at war'. Don't be moronic.
Incorrect. Read the fricking rules. If you are a uniformed combatant you are protected. Otherwise the Indians and Chinese having a border scrap can just do whatever they want because 'they aren't at war'. Don't be moronic.
doesn't matter if you're not there on legal orders of your government, bandits are not soldiers
You're both wrong, all lawful and unlawful (insurgents, terrorists, etc.) combatants are protected under the hors de combat provisions of the Geneva Conventions.
That "moron" knows he's wrong. He's a falseflagging Russian trying to make the Ukies look bad. Any time you see someone defending atrocities, it's almost guaranteed to be a falseflagging VatBlack person
Correct, but unlawful combatants are not offered POW protections. This is immaterial to the conflict in Ukraine since both sides only field uniformed forces. But, for example, a saboteur out of uniform does not have POW protections and has no legal rights under international law, being only protected by the national law of the nation that captured him.
For example, you cannot try and execute captured enemy soldiers for murder done in the battlefield, but a saboteur can be tried for sabotage, murder, espionage etc.
And as you said, and what probably bears repeating, geneva conventions never allow you to attack noncombatants directly, no matter if they are civilians, surrendered enemy forces or surrendered illegal combatants
>The name of the group was chosen as a witty reference and counterpoint o the opposing Russian mercenary Wagner Group >A rescued dog named Richie serves as the group's mascot
The first vegan friendly mercenary group with their own subreddit!
Mozart aren't really "trained killers". They do casevac, civilian evacuations and provide help sheltering evacuated civilians, with a side role of military training and advice. They don't do any actual fighting roles.
>They don't do any actual fighting roles
He says they go into direct fire to rescue civilians so I assume they'd return fire if required, possibly engage unilaterally if required and practical but yes, their official rules are to expel anyone that chooses to fight.
https://i.imgur.com/Ux657ka.jpg
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Here's the "fricked up society" quote.
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Here's him talking about Ukrainians violating Hague laws with the filming of the POWs. He's quite offended by that act it seems. When as far as Hague goes, it one of the extremely minor violations.
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Here's the actual "killing prisoner" talking points. And yeah it is cherry picked and spliced to make it appears that he's saying that the Ukrainian is actually actively doing that.
Even if they just do "peaceful" work the dude they're interviewing is still a retired marine corps deputy commander. Dude definitely has some blood on his hands.
Col Andrew Milburn has been trying to shill for more money for fricking months. He is essentially pro-Russian in his opinion. Also, yes? Ukraine is corrupt. But here's the thing. Since 2014, Ukraine had improved its corruption ranking by like 30 ranks. Russia? Nope. None. Stayed the same.
>my slavic shithole is better than their slavic shithole!
All of that land should rightfully belong to Germany. I hope the war in Ukraine doesn't end until every single slav is dead.
You are so right, only a incredible misinformed russian would still believe the avg american is a white guy named john, everyone else already know its most likely a brown manlet chicano named carlos
The US government is not corrupt. They do not support corrupt countries. If the US government likes a country, it cannot, by definition, have any corruption. God bless America, and frick all the neverserved fatass incels in this thread who think they get to badmouth her and her allies. USA USA USA
>https://twitter.com/i/status/1607477025962430465
Do you have link to full interview? This is just too much edited, you can't tell about what subject he is talking about.
But to the points he is talking: >they are corrupted
Wow second most corupted county in Europe is actually corrupted >they are violating laws of war be filming pows
Frick off, it's funny >they are executing pows
It's never alright, but by the definition both sides didn't declare war so all Russian forces in Ukraine are separatists and terrorists so you could argue that rules of war don't apply for them
Here's the full, unedited video if you want to watch it.
don't know what the slavs ever did to you but right now eastern europe is pretty much the last bastion of white normalcy against globohomo. how you can say that nothing of value was lost when blonde haired blue eyed children are dying, scythian artifacts are being plundered and russians are actively making a case FOR globohomosexual societies by their barbarism is beyond me. if you're white you need seriously reevaluate your morality.
>eastern europeans >white
kek
Watching american mistery meat from israelites to hispanics ending on blacks calling slavs subhumans as if america was still a full white european country like in the 1940's gotta to be peak comedy
whiter than you, Ivan.
russians dont qualify as humans so Geneva conventions dont extend to "them"
I agree, but I would extend that to all slavs.
"NO YOU CANT KILL INVADERS THAT SURRENDER AND DESTROY YOUR PEOPLE THATS A WAR CRIME!!!!"
Literally yes. It's a part of "international norms" and "rules based international order" that our government keeps going on about.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sure you are private shaniqua from LA hood
1 year ago
Anonymous
explain why slavs aren't white
1 year ago
Anonymous
They are not Germanic.
Sure you are private shaniqua from LA hood
Have some fricking respect, homosexual. My taxes are paying for your little war.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Germanic
So by that logic, the Romans and ancient Greeks weren't white either huh?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, correct. They were Mediterranean dirt people.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Alright cool, that's all I needed to know to quell any doubts I was talking to a moron. Enjoy your full prussian ancestry mutt lmfao. Pic rel are all black hahaha.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I come from 100% Bavarian and Hessian stock.
1 year ago
Anonymous
By that logic, nobody qualifies as "germanic" people were bred into extinction.
1 year ago
Anonymous
did you mean to respond to the other guy saying only germanics are whites?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Literally yes. It's a part of "interna-ACK!!!
dont invade if you dont want your head cut off
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"rules based international order"
Russia decided to reject this rules based order. That makes them outlaws whom the rules do not protect.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wow just like Israel. Let's give HAMAS $100B.
1 year ago
Anonymous
But you see HAMAS rejects it too and claims they're going to conquer all of Israel one day with their magic Islam powers. And the US doesn't have to give them billions anyway the Euros do out of pity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wow just like Ukraine. Let's give them $200B.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure the Chechens are the ones with magic Islam powers.
I am literally OP, and that's literally not what happened lmao. Like I said, watch the video for yourself and see that no context was removed and that clip was just edited for time
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Here's him talking about Ukrainians violating Hague laws with the filming of the POWs. He's quite offended by that act it seems. When as far as Hague goes, it one of the extremely minor violations.
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Here's the actual "killing prisoner" talking points. And yeah it is cherry picked and spliced to make it appears that he's saying that the Ukrainian is actually actively doing that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>And yeah it is cherry picked and spliced to make it appears that he's saying that the Ukrainian is actually actively doing that
Yeah, that's kind of milquetoast though I think he was clear that it is happening here and there but he's not talking about it being common or anything, just having seen videos of it. What he's talking about is addressing normalising war crimes vs calling it out.
1 year ago
Anonymous
so basically he's saying the ukrainian unit they were attached to were cool. but it's a dirty war and there were also other ukie units who have had killed surrendering russians.
take that as you will i guess.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but it's a dirty war and there were also other ukie units who have had killed surrendering russians. >take that as you will i guess.
There haven't been any clean ones.
It's an area the AFU needs to improve and they have since the start of the invasion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
From what I can tell the government is *trying* to follow the geneva convention regarding prisoners, it's typically a "lower level" problem with the various nationalist brigades.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's typically a "lower level" problem with the various nationalist brigades
Yeah, I'd assume that Azov represent a significant number of those videos.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Killing "Surrendering Russian" and killing "Russian Prisoner" are two very different things.
One can be attributed to accident from the chaos of fighting, emotion of the moment, or done on purpose. While the other has basically no wiggle room beside being unquestionably bad to any reasonable observer.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is the guy who has that blog that's been spammed on /k/ the last few days.
Shilling his book or just a fanboy for an e-celeb, I don't know but that blog is by this guy.
This doesn't seem like it's really a shill thread though, that would be too many layers of irony.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Murphy is a scumbag homosexual through and through.
Shit list a mile long
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Murphy is a scumbag homosexual through and through.
Please expand on that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Shit and killed one of his own guys. Got away with it because of how hurting the ranger reg was for bodies
Bring that up to him he'll threaten to dox you/family
"Jurno"
Just to name a few
1 year ago
Anonymous
I did a search but really didn't find anything like what you suggest.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's just a mad NAFO shill making shit up about an MIC goon who got drunk and got a little bit too truthful for the propagandists' liking
1 year ago
Anonymous
Jack Murphy was the interviewer (sober, eating pizza) not the Mozart Group guy
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh, yeah, I got confused.
1 year ago
Anonymous
[...]
Here's the full, unedited video if you want to watch it.
>vatniks get caught lying once more
Every fricking time. Frick them and frick OP.
1 year ago
Anonymous
One of the post you're replying to is literally OP lmao
so wait a minute here, you're telling me, that young men that watched their homes, families and lives get destroyed WILLINGLY HARM (!!) the "people" that did it after they say "ok guys, we were jk'ing about all that, please clothe us and feed us now"? are you literally saying this? that's fricking nuts man, i can't believe something like that happens, what a world we live in.
>yet another pro-Russian thread where the original link is not posted but a twitter screen cap of something "supposedly" said instead is overlayed on a picture
didn't you homosexuals realize after Mariupol that this shit doesn't work, it doesn't demoralize people? Everyone knew it was fake then.
What's the business advantage of getting paid for an interview with an opfor propaganda team where you slander the people who donate money to you?
Can't be a good look in front of any future employers.
You can't commit "war crimes" against invaders, and anything you do to them is justified, especially when they behave like Russians do. Ukrainians are remarkably restrained. I'd make a habit of blinding, castrating, and amputating the fingers and tongues of all captured Russians in their place. Then let them go, lol.
Watching american mistery meat from israelites to hispanics ending on blacks calling slavs subhumans as if america was still a full white european country like in the 1940's gotta to be peak comedy
Millburn is a butthurt moronic homosexual who failed to pin a star in the military and ran to Ukraine when the war started to try to start his own PMC only to find that not one wanted to give him money to do what the NATO militaries are already doing for free, so now he's asshurt that no one cut him in in the corruption pie.
>Ok bud, what is this, 2005? Sadly, Mr Millburn, while having been handed command of a special operations unit, never actually went to any selection, he was never a special operator. He was a hand shaker and ass kisser. The first sergeant major of MARSOC was a motor transport Marine. That's not to rag on Marines in motor T, but there's something to be said about a unit that is headed by men who have never earned their seat in the room, unlike Rangers, Green berets and Seals who require their officers prove themselves by passing through the bloody canals of their selection programs. Mr Millburn landed in special operations due to a lucky window of time where they literally didn't have anyone else. If Mr Millburn had any experience actually operating, instead of existing in the bureaucratic self-licking ice cream cone of the Marine officer Corps, he might've learned a few things, like the power of a peer evaluation or the importance of selection and vetting. And if he ever did any work in the private military world he'd understand the importance of having people sign NDAs. Not once was I asked for any documentation or proof I was who I claimed to be, nor did he ever even get my real name or email address.
no one invited him and no one hired him. look at his twitter and you'll see nothing but him begging for donations and trying to sell you how important he is... by giving babushkas rides away from the front. guys a clown looking for his own circus
Do you israelitekraine shills depend on hoping no one reads anything? Clearly everything he said about israelitekraine is true, they are a corrupt fricked up group of people who commit war crimes lmao. Why are you homosexuals so moronic?
no shit sherlock
ukraine and russia have been corrupt third world shit holes for a very long time, only slightly above african warlord corruption.
we only see what we're allowed to see.
If Ukies didn't have all this massive Western support and needed good PR they'd be stringing up Russians from trees. Just straight up brutalizing the frickers in quid pro quo. The "Geneva convention" is a fricking joke when the enemy army murders your civvies daily.
Ukrainians have way more in common with russians than anyone really wants to admit. The soviet culture of corruption did damage to all countries involved not just russia, although russia does seem to be the worst.
now how much in common they have that everyone admit?
ukrainians and russians have a lot relatives, but those are mostly came from the european part of Russia.
ukrainians and belarussians have little in common with behind the Ural russians, who mostly consists of minorities.
and the russian warcrimes that were documented have mostly asian looking faces than european.
>disappeared and tortured
He'll be fine. He didn't say what that edit makes him look like he said.
Watch the youtube full interview.
Even if he had, he still wouldn't be disappeared, just cancelled. There's more sophisticated ways to deal with inconvenient truths or propagandising lies.
We're not Russia anon.
Your circle of friends seems pretty based, but you can't honestly believe that our national news talking about "ukrainians mercilessly killing prisoners of war" wouldn't impact western support, right?
Even the video where a few ukes blast some russians because one of them started spraying from an ak got news coverage here. If they start straight up stringing them up on trees it's not gonna look good.
>it's not gonna look good
That's why some shill produced the edit in OP. It would be somewhat effective and the truth was that it was happening in the early days of the war but Valeriyy put a stop to it because he wants to be European and NATO now and because he knows that AFU needs the sympathy of the west.
War crimes are gay shit, I see absolutely no reason why countries shouldn't go all in to win, if anything it helps keeping cowards from surrendering and instead fight to death like real men.
I don't give a frick if they do, the only reason I'd prefer if they didn't is that loss of western support would hurt them
If you don't wanna catch a knife with your eyeball then you either act humanely to the inhabitants of the country you're invading, or you just don't get caught
You don't get to murder civilians AND be guaranteed that you won't be caught by the guy who lost a family member you your subhuman behaviour
Your circle of friends seems pretty based, but you can't honestly believe that our national news talking about "ukrainians mercilessly killing prisoners of war" wouldn't impact western support, right?
Even the video where a few ukes blast some russians because one of them started spraying from an ak got news coverage here. If they start straight up stringing them up on trees it's not gonna look good.
At this point the Russian hatred has been prepped that I'm seeing Liberals and progressives supporting Russian genocide.
So no, only people who will cry over dead Russians will be the people who already support Russia, Far Right "Russia is redpilled" loonies and Far Left "This war is NATO's fault Russian need to win so we can have heckin Communism!!"
Strange how no one actually wants to read the fricking rules
Firstly, frick those rules. They exist to punish us for talking about gun-control in the States.
Secondly, war and things that happen with war are relevant to the board. Wars are fought with weapons, after all.
Eh, give them a break.
Yes military happenings are relevant to the board but they have a constant habit of sliding into /misc/-tier edginess and moronation and so mods nuke them semi-regularly to keep the board from going to shit.
I got a 3-day ban by friendly fire by some Jannie on a nuking spree a while back because my thread about bomb damage assessment on the Wagner hotel strike was derailed by shills going on about trannies. It happens, just take it on the chin and know that it helps keep the board from being "u/k/raine pol debates".
>muh heckin corruption
consistent improvement that even manages transfer of power between rivaling power clans. Impossible with steppe Black folk that are bottom barrel africa complete with monke tribal chieftan >shoot le heckin innocent russians that dindu nuffin
surrendering in war time is always a gamble. Should think that twice over when you invade for no fricking reason other then to enslave and loot while blowing pieces out of random civvies on live camera. Vatnik bots are open season game at this point and they should be thankful they are not flayed alive. Also very funny seeing how vengeful ukranians are when just less then a decade ago the favorability of russia was well into the vast majority. Now even ethnic russians in ukraine refuse to speak it in fear that the steppe hordes will try to "liberate" them.
after seeing the shit russians were doing to ukrainian civilians I would summarily execute damn near every russian soldier I got a hold of were those my citizens
This guy got told to pound sand by the Ukrainian government when he wanted them to pay him ridiculous amounts of money for sub standard training (lol they're getting better for free from NATO countries) and he's been super salty since then.
Bro, you're making a mistake trying to appeal to westerners' conscious. It doesn't matter if its true or not, it's not going to have the effect you think it will.
Not only is it morally wrong to kill captives, it also make it that much harder the rest of the way. News will get back and everyone will fight every battle to the last man knowing the loser won’t be spared.
2/10 try harder, esl. maybe you'll sound more natural next time
Not only is it morally wrong to kill captives, it also make it that much harder the rest of the way. News will get back and everyone will fight every battle to the last man knowing the loser won’t be spared.
In Russia's case, it's not like they have to provisions to supply any prisoners. It's either kill them where they stand or stick them into a glorified gulag where they starve.
Ukraine is fighting an existential war and has every right to hoist the black flag untill every single invader is either dead or gone from their country.
Sure. whatever, good luck, not my problem not gonna pay for it. I wish you all the best in making sure your homeland is free of Orc invaders, but it's just not my show.
>Russia rape, plunder and butcher their way through hundreds of kilometers of Ukrainian land, with hundred if not thousands of examples being discovered >Ukrainians conduct a handful in comparison in defence of their land
"Not vatnik" moralgays think these are exactly the same
just finished watching this whole video and it's not what OP described at all. in fact its along the lines of every other interview of volunteers in ukraine.
in short:
-the UAF is a patchwork of trained and very amateur troops
-corruption is real and still happening
-the "West" is not supplying the UAF with what it really needs to quickly defeat the Russians. things like ATACMS and other advanced weaponry would 100% push the Russians out of Ukraine
-the Russians are not incompetent but are just wholly ill equipped for this type of modern warfare
>-the "West" is not supplying the UAF with what it really needs to quickly defeat the Russians. things like ATACMS and other advanced weaponry would 100% push the Russians out of Ukraine
This is on purpose. We want to drag the war out for as long as possible to frick with Russia. Doesn't matter how many slavs die, because they're not even human anyway lol. I hope this war never ends tbh. I stand with Joe Biden and his administration's determination to make sure no peace talks happen.
This whole thread is fricking gay. Russians are so clearly in the wrong and nobody cares about Ukrainians executing them. They earned it the minute they crossed the border. If you're upset about it, become a part of the UN and prosecute. You won't though. Russia is going to pay dearly for this whole deal.
NAFO is literally a false flag operation run by vatBlack folk to make the Ukrainians look like annoying homosexuals. everyone associated with NAFO is actually a Russian asset; hopefully Azov takes care of them.
Found the false-flagging vatBlack person. Slava Ukraini, orc scum.
I'd kill surrendered soldiers too if I was the one that had to decide. >Killed my friends and allies >Cowards that gave up when it got tough >Might be black or brown >Might be an older adult >Might be injured >Detention center might be days or weeks walk away
How old they are, their race, how far we are, and their fitness would be a huge determining factor if I had to decide whether to execute or not.
And that's why humanity needs robust systems in place to prevent people like you from ever having power. If you're not Christlike, you do not deserve to lead.
>Christlike
Nice try homosexual. But even god killed none believers. The bible version you grew up with isn't the same one I grew up with. Where homosexuals were beaten and prayed straight and heathens strung on crosses. Take you nu-age lgbtfgtbbq bullshit else where.
And that's why humanity needs robust systems in place to prevent people like you from ever having power. If you're not Christlike, you do not deserve to lead.
OP is a heavily edited cut shill post, stop bumping this gay shit
AYOOO >run tank over civilian car
SO YOU'S BE SAYING >castrate deserter
HOL' UP >hide MRLS inside malls
SO YOU'S BE SAYIN' >burn alive dissidents
WE >kill cat and use it as ashtray
WUZ >shell civilian towns and households
WAR CRIMINALS >shell nuclear power plant risking a Chernobyl 2.0
'N' >kidnap soldier's family
SHIEEEET?!?
That "moron" knows he's wrong. He's a falseflagging Russian trying to make the Ukies look bad. Any time you see someone defending atrocities, it's almost guaranteed to be a falseflagging VatBlack person
Get better material glowie.
I know Russian is hard to learn but there's like a quazillion terms to describe Russian people, vatnik got stale and feels unorganic.
I don't defend Russia, I just point out that war is fricked and you shouldn't let your enemy live. We've done just as bad things, intentionally and unintentionally. There is no such thing as a civilian in war time. Only enemies and unarmed enemies. If they don't like it, they can flee the country and try being cowards else where.
>Everyone that doesn't support CURRENT THING is a russian shill!
Everyone who claims to support Ukraine while justifying atrocities is a Russian shill trying to make the innocent victims look bad.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>while justifying atrocities
We dropped 2 nukes on civilian cities and are still the only country ever to use nukes.
Ukraine cuts balls off and sets fire to captured soldiers
Russia bombs civilians
This is WAR, there is no right and wrong. Better to execute than torture.
angry? lmao
you shills get upset over actual documented war crimes committed by your pawns being exposed and you even have the audacity to call other people "angry"
I'm not angry, I'm literally laughing my ass off
I don't defend Russia, I just point out that war is fricked and you shouldn't let your enemy live. We've done just as bad things, intentionally and unintentionally. There is no such thing as a civilian in war time. Only enemies and unarmed enemies. If they don't like it, they can flee the country and try being cowards else where.
Yes. It is murder. People with no morals or ethics struggle with the concept of Just War, just defense and rules of war because they are actually moronic autists missing parts of the mental capacity non brain damaged humans have. Its generally so counterproductive to victory its penalised as a matter of course anyway. Again morons won't understand why.
Imagine thinking Americans of all people care about "Ukrainian war crimes." Americans, who think Muslims are a fifth column and should've been deported. Americans, who literally fantasize about mutilating invading soldiers and sending them home as frick-nuggets.
My point is this is pointless as propaganda. Americans revel in being cruel to their enemies, they're comfortable with hatred, and while they'll usually extend a helping hand afterwords, they'll stomp on your face mercilessly before then. Saying "Ukrainians are torturing Russian soldiers and killing the wounded" isn't going to make Americans upset, it's going to make them think "good," because it's what they would do, and happily.
Let's see what happens when someone invades your country with the intention of toppling your government and subverting your culture. Again. Are you going to be kind to the people murdering and raping your friends and family? >vatnig breaks into your house and starts looting >finds your wife >rapes her >you walk in >s-sorry Mr. Russian, sir. I didn't realize you were raping my wife. C-can I get you anything else?
Russians are killing the best and brightest of Ukraine's men on a daily basis. I wouldn't blame anyone for hunting every last orc down and slitting their throat at they slept.
Ukraine has always been a corrupt shithole. If Ivan invaded my country, raped, killed and tortured innocent people, I would gladly kill surrendered russians without a blink. Frick those guys, seriously.
Russians do that too and worse. It wouldn't be just if you treated Russians good while they do unspeakable things to you. For the sake of justice there must be equal weight on both sides.
unironically only if you get caught, your side loses, or you are religious and it conflicts with your morals.
Wrong is wrong and right is wrong. Moral relativism is something corrupt people use to launder their reputations and make excuses for their barbarism.
so literally every nation ever
got it
nice position you took in that mental ivory tower lol
you captured a murderous pedophile rapist cannibal of an opposing force who willingly surrendered himself after you got the upper hand. Is it wrong to restrain him by binding his hands while you decide what to do? is it then wrong if you decide he deserves to meet his maker? congratulations. you committed a war crime and shot a prisoner of war and are "evil"
He's been found guilty of those crimes in front of a jury of his peers? If so, then I would allow the proper authorities to deal with him. If not, then I would wait until he has faced trial. Innocent until proven guilty, commie.
russians dont qualify as humans so Geneva conventions dont extend to "them"
that is a war crime yes. they are the LAWS of war not justice of war, whether its "right" or not to kill in that scenario is irrelevant to the law
So which objective morals should we accept?
this + the sermon on the mount are good places to start
There’s nothing moral about a book or writings. Anyone can write a book, making it completely arbitrary.
Those are quotes from the Son of God, israelite : )
Well that’s what’s claimed. Yet we are still only presented a piece of paper.
Even if we suppose it’s true, is it good because He says so? Or does he say so because it is good?
What God says is good : )
Then he could say anything is good, right? He decides. He could decide that murder is good. It’s still arbitrary.
Ideals are not morality. When Jesus talked about love and tolerance, he spoke of it in the context of the occupation of Judea and that particular political climate - when many were calling for an uprising against Rome (which they later did, and got their asses kicked). Jesus would not advocate just letting anyone and everyone rob you at any given time just because they have an army and zero morality and you are a dumb pacifist.
You’re moronic
no u
Religious people are the people with the lowest morals on earth.
>Religious people are the people with the lowest morals on earth
I know what you mean but technically Religious people are amoral, not immoral.
They replace morality with dogma and just call doing obedience to their religion right instead of what is moral or immoral according to any philosophy.
The exception are the ones who just sin all the time and then pray for forgiveness or whatever and then do it all again. Those are immoral but they're usually not genuinely religious either, even though they go overboard on all the rituals.
*tips fedora*
If that's your best answer then I think you know how wrong you are.
If memes is all you have...
Atheism is a meme. Humans are naturally spiritual.
The only natural things are those things that actually exist.
Show me this spirit you talk of.
Show me gravity.
Certainly, step up to this window.
The fact of falling does mean that the Theory of Gravity is correct. Show me, using only visual information, proof that gravity works the way scientists say it does.
>those aren't proofs show me proofs
What are you hoping to achieve?
If you doubt gravity then you're mind is broken.
And if you don't then you're just dishonest.
I don't doubt gravity, because I am capable of believing in things that I cannot see : )
does not*
>still using this line in the age of "pregnant men"
Slavs are technically a type of Black person, so really what's happening in Ukraine is just black-on-black violence.
slavs are white enough that it's a tradgedy
but also black enough that it's kindof funny
>Twitter thread (Again)
>No link (Again)
>Russian narrative (Again)
have a nice day OP, you're an utter homosexual
Here's a link to the video. I can download it and upload to streamable if you would prefer.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1607477025962430465
kek
>Gigantic as frick cut in the middle of the conversation
Anon, ANON, FOR FRICK SAKE
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE PART WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THE WHISKEY OTHERWISE THE PART WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT THE WAR CRIMES ISN'T HECKIN VALID
kek
you only care about war crimes when it makes the country being attacked look bad, you fat neo-con homosexual. i wonder what shade of brown your parents are.
>neo-con
Frick israelites, frick the Bush family, and frick all war profiteers. Including Putin, who I'm sure is making plenty of money off of sending Russians to die for literally nothing but his own ego. It's a pointless war, but on the upside it's just slavs killing slavs so nothing of value was lost.
don't know what the slavs ever did to you but right now eastern europe is pretty much the last bastion of white normalcy against globohomo. how you can say that nothing of value was lost when blonde haired blue eyed children are dying, scythian artifacts are being plundered and russians are actively making a case FOR globohomosexual societies by their barbarism is beyond me. if you're white you need seriously reevaluate your morality.
>White
>White
>White
Shut the frick up you stupid cultureless mutt moron
>scythia
>the region now known as the stans.
"white"
>the veil drops 2 posts in
What a surprise.
What veil? Was I ever pretending not to be a neo-Nazi?
>Literally three giant cuts in the video removing context
>THREE
ANON PLEASE HOW ARE YOU THIS moronic
Wait is he whining about them taking and releasing videos of dying ruskies? lmao
lmao OP turns out to be a flaming homosexual yet again
Yes, the US government cares a lot about PR and spin and making it seem like we're moral crusaders for democracy and justice. Stuff like this and GLADIO is bad optics.
>https://twitter.com/i/status/1607477025962430465
Do you have link to full interview? This is just too much edited, you can't tell about what subject he is talking about.
But to the points he is talking:
>they are corrupted
Wow second most corupted county in Europe is actually corrupted
>they are violating laws of war be filming pows
Frick off, it's funny
>they are executing pows
It's never alright, but by the definition both sides didn't declare war so all Russian forces in Ukraine are separatists and terrorists so you could argue that rules of war don't apply for them
The last clip is in reference to the clip of Russians committing perfidy and the PoW's being shot up, but he's edited that out.
this,
and this
also; Max Blumenthal runs the Grayzone (main western source of 'Ukrainians are nazis' angle) and appears on RT and Sputnik arguing that its not state propaganda.
It's kind of crazy that Max Blumenthal's dad is a serious person.
Greyzone is based and actually reports the truth unlike the israelite media.
His dad worked for known Jeffrey Epstein associate / pedophile rapist Bill Clinton.
>Russian Narrative
>from a ukie
hmm maybe that "narrative" isn't actually a narrative, but reality. If both sides are saying the same thing then it seems like the only one with a "narrative" are NAFO homosexuals
NAFO is literally a false flag operation run by vatBlack folk to make the Ukrainians look like annoying homosexuals. everyone associated with NAFO is actually a Russian asset; hopefully Azov takes care of them.
No, it's a Russian narrative since it's propaganda cut to frick by Russians, shut the frick up moron
Found the false-flagging vatBlack person. Slava Ukraini, orc scum.
nafo spammer sucks donkey dicks
Not when you're defending
>war crimes
theres that W-word again, I don't recall anyone declaring a war
Except the laws state uniformed combatants, not wars, moron.
if you're not there on legal orders of your government, it doesn't matter you're in uniform, you're there on your own accord, you can be shot as a criminal
Incorrect. Read the fricking rules. If you are a uniformed combatant you are protected. Otherwise the Indians and Chinese having a border scrap can just do whatever they want because 'they aren't at war'. Don't be moronic.
doesn't matter if you're not there on legal orders of your government, bandits are not soldiers
Incorrect, once a fricking gain.
>Members of the armed forces of a Party to a conflict (other than medical personnel and chaplains covered by Article 33 of the Third Convention) are combatants, that is to say, they have the right to participate directly in hostilities
It does not state 'war'. It states 'conflict'. They are uniformed, therefore protected.
>of a Party to a conflict
see, it doesn't include you, Russian, you're not here on legal orders of your government, there is no conflict, you're a bandit acting on your own accord
Firing squad
Again, I literally gave you an example. India and China shoot each other over border. So does India and Pakistan. They are not at war. Using your logic, they can do whatever they want because they AREN'T at war! Again, moron. Read the Geneva Convention. It does not state 'you have to be officially at war'. It states you have to be in armed conflict and be in uniforms. Therefore if a Pakistani is captured by an Indian, the Indian cannot execute him if he is in uniform.
What about this don't you get?
>Y-y-y-y-y-y-you're *sniff* R-r-r-r-russian!
I'm Irish and I am not a moron.
doesn't apply to Russians, who are not there on legal orders of their government, thus, you can legally shoot them all as pirates
technically, no orders of the Russian government are legal, but slavs aren't people and animals cannot form a legitimate government. Heil Hitler.
>"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
since* slavs aren't people. pic related is me in 5 minutes grabbing an afternoon cup of coffee so I'm not at 100% moronation
1949 Geneva Conventions, governing the application of international humanitarian law, an international armed conflict exists when one state party to the Conventions uses armed force against another state, "even if the state of war is not recognised by one of them".
THEREFORE THEY ARE PROTECTED IF THEY ARE IN UNIFORMS. WHY ARE YOU FRICKING moronic?
now show us the part where it says pirates acting on their own accord without legal orders from their own are considered soldiers
The point is that Russia doesn't have to label it a war for them to be protected. The convention specifically uses the word 'CONFLICT' not 'WAR'. Again I use the examples of India-China and India-Pakistan. They are not at war. Yet they are protected because it is not WAR being the defining part of the law but CONFLICT.
Accidental.
>CONFLICT
dude, performing internal police action your fricking fly by night pirate operation does not constitute as a conflict with another party under the conventions
>internal police action
So you're saying Ukraine is actually a part of Russia?
Russia is not a party, its all happening inside Ukraine between Ukrainians and a group of criminals acting on their own accord
Source?
Except it does and I have cited the legal basis of it. You have failed to do so. You labelling them 'pirates' does not work because they are in the uniforms of the Russian Federation military and are in CONFLICT. You do realise most nations never actually openly declare war, this isn't video game shit, right?
I have literally given you examples to other conflicts where using your moronic view of the situation would lead to masses of executions 'because they are not at war'. But that isn't what the fricking Geneva Convention says. You can go read them. Hell, several sites EXPLAIN why they are protected regardless of 'not declaration of war'.
there is no conflict if theres only one side, Ukrainians. Criminals acting on their own accord do not count as a side and do not have PoW protections.
Buddy, I don't know why you replied to me. I was just making a joke about the fact that slavs aren't people and should be completely eliminated to make room for the German people. Sieg Heil.
You're both wrong, all lawful and unlawful (insurgents, terrorists, etc.) combatants are protected under the hors de combat provisions of the Geneva Conventions.
Why are you saying the guy is incorrect when one of them is telling the moron that it doesn't have to be a formal 'war' for them to be protected.
That "moron" knows he's wrong. He's a falseflagging Russian trying to make the Ukies look bad. Any time you see someone defending atrocities, it's almost guaranteed to be a falseflagging VatBlack person
Because the basis of his argument was only uniformed soldiers, i.e. lawful combatants, are protected.
Correct, but unlawful combatants are not offered POW protections. This is immaterial to the conflict in Ukraine since both sides only field uniformed forces. But, for example, a saboteur out of uniform does not have POW protections and has no legal rights under international law, being only protected by the national law of the nation that captured him.
For example, you cannot try and execute captured enemy soldiers for murder done in the battlefield, but a saboteur can be tried for sabotage, murder, espionage etc.
And as you said, and what probably bears repeating, geneva conventions never allow you to attack noncombatants directly, no matter if they are civilians, surrendered enemy forces or surrendered illegal combatants
Prisoners of war should only be a thing in a conflict between two western nations.
Wagner
Mozart
Is this shit a joke?
Otto Skorzeny started a private mercenary company called the Paladin Group after the war, everyone else is a discounted knock-off imitation of it
OP here, I'm not saying I 100% believe it, but I would not be surprised if literally every single major event in the cable news cycle is scripted.
TURN THAT POOP INTO WINE
TURN THAT POOP INTO WINE
L RON HOYABEMBE
>The name of the group was chosen as a witty reference and counterpoint o the opposing Russian mercenary Wagner Group
>A rescued dog named Richie serves as the group's mascot
The first vegan friendly mercenary group with their own subreddit!
I really love the idea of blue-haired """non-binary""" shitlib women coming up with fun PR campaigns for a group of trained killers lmao
Mozart aren't really "trained killers". They do casevac, civilian evacuations and provide help sheltering evacuated civilians, with a side role of military training and advice. They don't do any actual fighting roles.
>They don't do any actual fighting roles
He says they go into direct fire to rescue civilians so I assume they'd return fire if required, possibly engage unilaterally if required and practical but yes, their official rules are to expel anyone that chooses to fight.
Thanks anon.
Even if they just do "peaceful" work the dude they're interviewing is still a retired marine corps deputy commander. Dude definitely has some blood on his hands.
Col Andrew Milburn has been trying to shill for more money for fricking months. He is essentially pro-Russian in his opinion. Also, yes? Ukraine is corrupt. But here's the thing. Since 2014, Ukraine had improved its corruption ranking by like 30 ranks. Russia? Nope. None. Stayed the same.
>my slavic shithole is better than their slavic shithole!
All of that land should rightfully belong to Germany. I hope the war in Ukraine doesn't end until every single slav is dead.
have a nice day kraut nazi Black person
Calm down, Pyotir. Only 5-10 more years of trench warfare.
meanwhile germany imports bbc en masse and is repeatedly israeliteD cope gay
t. John from Ohio Oblast
You are so right, only a incredible misinformed russian would still believe the avg american is a white guy named john, everyone else already know its most likely a brown manlet chicano named carlos
>thinking corruption ranking reflects anything other than how aligned with US interests the corruption is
wew lad
The US government is not corrupt. They do not support corrupt countries. If the US government likes a country, it cannot, by definition, have any corruption. God bless America, and frick all the neverserved fatass incels in this thread who think they get to badmouth her and her allies. USA USA USA
>Guy training and still supporting Ukraine is pro Russian
Man this board is unbelievably stupid
First of all russians dont qualify as humans and secondly this is not a war ergo there are no warcrimes commited by Ukrainian Armed Forces whatsoever
Technically, the MIC guy doesn't say "war crimes" just "atrocities"
Idk if it’s truly possible to commit a “war crime” in a defensive war for the existence of your country.
This. Vietnamese were justified in torturing American POWs.
>Max ~~*Blumenthal*~~
What a colorful personality.
see
you can just watch the clip and ignore the israelite's tweet. the video speaks for itself
>the video speaks for itself
No, not really. It's cut together like a chinese wunderwaffen video.
Here's the full, unedited video if you want to watch it.
Thank you for doing what OP should have doen from the start.
I am OP.
>eastern europeans
>white
kek
whiter than you, Ivan.
I agree, but I would extend that to all slavs.
Literally yes. It's a part of "international norms" and "rules based international order" that our government keeps going on about.
Sure you are private shaniqua from LA hood
explain why slavs aren't white
They are not Germanic.
Have some fricking respect, homosexual. My taxes are paying for your little war.
>Germanic
So by that logic, the Romans and ancient Greeks weren't white either huh?
Yes, correct. They were Mediterranean dirt people.
Alright cool, that's all I needed to know to quell any doubts I was talking to a moron. Enjoy your full prussian ancestry mutt lmfao. Pic rel are all black hahaha.
I come from 100% Bavarian and Hessian stock.
By that logic, nobody qualifies as "germanic" people were bred into extinction.
did you mean to respond to the other guy saying only germanics are whites?
Literally yes. It's a part of "interna-ACK!!!
dont invade if you dont want your head cut off
>"rules based international order"
Russia decided to reject this rules based order. That makes them outlaws whom the rules do not protect.
Wow just like Israel. Let's give HAMAS $100B.
But you see HAMAS rejects it too and claims they're going to conquer all of Israel one day with their magic Islam powers. And the US doesn't have to give them billions anyway the Euros do out of pity.
Wow just like Ukraine. Let's give them $200B.
I'm pretty sure the Chechens are the ones with magic Islam powers.
it's fourchins, op is always a homosexual
Anon posted the unedited video^
Max Blumenthal, being the pro-Russian propagandist for the Grayzone, edited out the context that they were talking about the Russian perfidy video
I am literally OP, and that's literally not what happened lmao. Like I said, watch the video for yourself and see that no context was removed and that clip was just edited for time
Frick off Max
Max Blumenthal is a israelite homosexual : )
Just watched the entire interview, the twitter clip was extremely edited, cherry picked and spliced for OP's purpose.
Can you give timestamps?
Does anyone have time stamps for the supposed war crimes confessions?
This is a 2.5h interview and I have tendies to reheat.
So far I just heard him say that he's disappointed that AFU haven't unlearnt Mission Command from Soviet times.
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Here's the "fricked up society" quote.
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Here's him talking about Ukrainians violating Hague laws with the filming of the POWs. He's quite offended by that act it seems. When as far as Hague goes, it one of the extremely minor violations.
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Here's the actual "killing prisoner" talking points. And yeah it is cherry picked and spliced to make it appears that he's saying that the Ukrainian is actually actively doing that.
>And yeah it is cherry picked and spliced to make it appears that he's saying that the Ukrainian is actually actively doing that
Yeah, that's kind of milquetoast though I think he was clear that it is happening here and there but he's not talking about it being common or anything, just having seen videos of it. What he's talking about is addressing normalising war crimes vs calling it out.
so basically he's saying the ukrainian unit they were attached to were cool. but it's a dirty war and there were also other ukie units who have had killed surrendering russians.
take that as you will i guess.
>but it's a dirty war and there were also other ukie units who have had killed surrendering russians.
>take that as you will i guess.
There haven't been any clean ones.
It's an area the AFU needs to improve and they have since the start of the invasion.
From what I can tell the government is *trying* to follow the geneva convention regarding prisoners, it's typically a "lower level" problem with the various nationalist brigades.
>it's typically a "lower level" problem with the various nationalist brigades
Yeah, I'd assume that Azov represent a significant number of those videos.
Killing "Surrendering Russian" and killing "Russian Prisoner" are two very different things.
One can be attributed to accident from the chaos of fighting, emotion of the moment, or done on purpose. While the other has basically no wiggle room beside being unquestionably bad to any reasonable observer.
This is the guy who has that blog that's been spammed on /k/ the last few days.
Shilling his book or just a fanboy for an e-celeb, I don't know but that blog is by this guy.
This doesn't seem like it's really a shill thread though, that would be too many layers of irony.
Murphy is a scumbag homosexual through and through.
Shit list a mile long
>Murphy is a scumbag homosexual through and through.
Please expand on that.
Shit and killed one of his own guys. Got away with it because of how hurting the ranger reg was for bodies
Bring that up to him he'll threaten to dox you/family
"Jurno"
Just to name a few
I did a search but really didn't find anything like what you suggest.
It's just a mad NAFO shill making shit up about an MIC goon who got drunk and got a little bit too truthful for the propagandists' liking
Jack Murphy was the interviewer (sober, eating pizza) not the Mozart Group guy
Oh, yeah, I got confused.
>vatniks get caught lying once more
Every fricking time. Frick them and frick OP.
One of the post you're replying to is literally OP lmao
And?
so wait a minute here, you're telling me, that young men that watched their homes, families and lives get destroyed WILLINGLY HARM (!!) the "people" that did it after they say "ok guys, we were jk'ing about all that, please clothe us and feed us now"? are you literally saying this? that's fricking nuts man, i can't believe something like that happens, what a world we live in.
This tbh. If I were Ukrainian, I would also kill surrendered vatnigs if I thought I could get away with it.
Only if they're human. (Russians are not human)
I heard these uncivilized Ukie fricks don't even have McDonald's in their army bases
>yet another pro-Russian thread where the original link is not posted but a twitter screen cap of something "supposedly" said instead is overlayed on a picture
didn't you homosexuals realize after Mariupol that this shit doesn't work, it doesn't demoralize people? Everyone knew it was fake then.
see
read the thread before replying next time, moron.
I hope Putin is raped to death on live TV with knives, by the drunken slavic subhumans who make up the ethnic Russian people.
What's the business advantage of getting paid for an interview with an opfor propaganda team where you slander the people who donate money to you?
Can't be a good look in front of any future employers.
Killing civilian > killing POW
Sorry vatniger, but ukies war crimes still justified.
You can't commit "war crimes" against invaders, and anything you do to them is justified, especially when they behave like Russians do. Ukrainians are remarkably restrained. I'd make a habit of blinding, castrating, and amputating the fingers and tongues of all captured Russians in their place. Then let them go, lol.
Watching american mistery meat from israelites to hispanics ending on blacks calling slavs subhumans as if america was still a full white european country like in the 1940's gotta to be peak comedy
"NO YOU CANT KILL INVADERS THAT SURRENDER AND DESTROY YOUR PEOPLE THATS A WAR CRIME!!!!"
you have to break some eggs to make the enemy dread you more than their own leaders
>no 'enslave' option
Those mine fields won't clear themselves.
What do you think the method of execution is?
Millburn is a butthurt moronic homosexual who failed to pin a star in the military and ran to Ukraine when the war started to try to start his own PMC only to find that not one wanted to give him money to do what the NATO militaries are already doing for free, so now he's asshurt that no one cut him in in the corruption pie.
Read this, Buena Vista and the ghosts of kyiv
https://lethalmindsjournal.substack.com/p/lethal-minds-volume-1
I do not think I have read anything this savage in my entire life. Fricking hell
Wow
>Ok bud, what is this, 2005? Sadly, Mr Millburn, while having been handed command of a special operations unit, never actually went to any selection, he was never a special operator. He was a hand shaker and ass kisser. The first sergeant major of MARSOC was a motor transport Marine. That's not to rag on Marines in motor T, but there's something to be said about a unit that is headed by men who have never earned their seat in the room, unlike Rangers, Green berets and Seals who require their officers prove themselves by passing through the bloody canals of their selection programs. Mr Millburn landed in special operations due to a lucky window of time where they literally didn't have anyone else. If Mr Millburn had any experience actually operating, instead of existing in the bureaucratic self-licking ice cream cone of the Marine officer Corps, he might've learned a few things, like the power of a peer evaluation or the importance of selection and vetting. And if he ever did any work in the private military world he'd understand the importance of having people sign NDAs. Not once was I asked for any documentation or proof I was who I claimed to be, nor did he ever even get my real name or email address.
Fricking hell.
>does a job and wants to be paid for it
>isn't and is upset about it
I'd be pretty annoyed as well
no one invited him and no one hired him. look at his twitter and you'll see nothing but him begging for donations and trying to sell you how important he is... by giving babushkas rides away from the front. guys a clown looking for his own circus
So a con artist who rushed to profit from a good war to enrich himself. I would have kicked him out of the country.
Do you israelitekraine shills depend on hoping no one reads anything? Clearly everything he said about israelitekraine is true, they are a corrupt fricked up group of people who commit war crimes lmao. Why are you homosexuals so moronic?
>Mozart Group
Sounds irrelevant to me, I've literally never heard of these guys, how do I know they can be trusted?
Here's old Andy's phone number, feel free to tell him how you feel
(910) 750-2475
no shit sherlock
ukraine and russia have been corrupt third world shit holes for a very long time, only slightly above african warlord corruption.
we only see what we're allowed to see.
>both sides are le bad
Whatever you say, John from Ohio Oblast.
Das rite,show em, shaniqua from LA hood
If someone start killing people who have surrendered you aren't going to have many people surrender anymore
if the enemy cannot be reasoned with then its reasonable to aim for complete extermination of the entire species
Enjoy your hypothetical hanging then, larper
If Ukies didn't have all this massive Western support and needed good PR they'd be stringing up Russians from trees. Just straight up brutalizing the frickers in quid pro quo. The "Geneva convention" is a fricking joke when the enemy army murders your civvies daily.
Ukrainians have way more in common with russians than anyone really wants to admit. The soviet culture of corruption did damage to all countries involved not just russia, although russia does seem to be the worst.
now how much in common they have that everyone admit?
ukrainians and russians have a lot relatives, but those are mostly came from the european part of Russia.
ukrainians and belarussians have little in common with behind the Ural russians, who mostly consists of minorities.
and the russian warcrimes that were documented have mostly asian looking faces than european.
Nah when you're a good guy, even the most despicable acts are heroic.
It's okay to kill Americans.
>Is it wrong to kill surrendered enemy combatants and commit war crimes?
This guy knows he's going to get disappeared and tortured until he dies, right?
>disappeared and tortured
He'll be fine. He didn't say what that edit makes him look like he said.
Watch the youtube full interview.
Even if he had, he still wouldn't be disappeared, just cancelled. There's more sophisticated ways to deal with inconvenient truths or propagandising lies.
We're not Russia anon.
>it's not gonna look good
That's why some shill produced the edit in OP. It would be somewhat effective and the truth was that it was happening in the early days of the war but Valeriyy put a stop to it because he wants to be European and NATO now and because he knows that AFU needs the sympathy of the west.
War crimes are gay shit, I see absolutely no reason why countries shouldn't go all in to win, if anything it helps keeping cowards from surrendering and instead fight to death like real men.
I don't give a frick if they do, the only reason I'd prefer if they didn't is that loss of western support would hurt them
If you don't wanna catch a knife with your eyeball then you either act humanely to the inhabitants of the country you're invading, or you just don't get caught
You don't get to murder civilians AND be guaranteed that you won't be caught by the guy who lost a family member you your subhuman behaviour
Most people I know would prefer Ukrainians start killing Russian civilians, so I'm not really worried about support ebbing.
Your circle of friends seems pretty based, but you can't honestly believe that our national news talking about "ukrainians mercilessly killing prisoners of war" wouldn't impact western support, right?
Even the video where a few ukes blast some russians because one of them started spraying from an ak got news coverage here. If they start straight up stringing them up on trees it's not gonna look good.
Our national media would simply ignore it if it was happening - which it isn't, as much as Russians deserve it and as funny as I'd find it.
At this point the Russian hatred has been prepped that I'm seeing Liberals and progressives supporting Russian genocide.
So no, only people who will cry over dead Russians will be the people who already support Russia, Far Right "Russia is redpilled" loonies and Far Left "This war is NATO's fault Russian need to win so we can have heckin Communism!!"
Both of which groups belong in camps, funnily enough.
No such thing as special operation crimes :^)
Kill or be Killed
>/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment.
>Discussions about politics or current events belong on /misc/.
Strange how no one actually wants to read the fricking rules
Firstly, frick those rules. They exist to punish us for talking about gun-control in the States.
Secondly, war and things that happen with war are relevant to the board. Wars are fought with weapons, after all.
Eh, give them a break.
Yes military happenings are relevant to the board but they have a constant habit of sliding into /misc/-tier edginess and moronation and so mods nuke them semi-regularly to keep the board from going to shit.
I got a 3-day ban by friendly fire by some Jannie on a nuking spree a while back because my thread about bomb damage assessment on the Wagner hotel strike was derailed by shills going on about trannies. It happens, just take it on the chin and know that it helps keep the board from being "u/k/raine pol debates".
>Mozart Group
>mercenary firm
LMAO
>mercenary firm
They're an NGO that performs training and civilian evacuation, not mercenaries at all.
That's very lazy reporting anon.
I know, that's why I'm laughing at it.
>muh heckin corruption
consistent improvement that even manages transfer of power between rivaling power clans. Impossible with steppe Black folk that are bottom barrel africa complete with monke tribal chieftan
>shoot le heckin innocent russians that dindu nuffin
surrendering in war time is always a gamble. Should think that twice over when you invade for no fricking reason other then to enslave and loot while blowing pieces out of random civvies on live camera. Vatnik bots are open season game at this point and they should be thankful they are not flayed alive. Also very funny seeing how vengeful ukranians are when just less then a decade ago the favorability of russia was well into the vast majority. Now even ethnic russians in ukraine refuse to speak it in fear that the steppe hordes will try to "liberate" them.
Is this merc some RTard?
after seeing the shit russians were doing to ukrainian civilians I would summarily execute damn near every russian soldier I got a hold of were those my citizens
This guy got told to pound sand by the Ukrainian government when he wanted them to pay him ridiculous amounts of money for sub standard training (lol they're getting better for free from NATO countries) and he's been super salty since then.
>some idiot on twitter spreading russian propaganda
why would you bring this to /k/?
>why would you bring this to /k/?
You know the reason, 50% chance it's for (You)s and 50% chance it's a vatnik shill (Indian).
merry Xmas, but it was a rhetorical
>Max Blumenthal
Russian propagandist/useful idiot/fifth columnist. Into the trash it goes.
Bro, you're making a mistake trying to appeal to westerners' conscious. It doesn't matter if its true or not, it's not going to have the effect you think it will.
conscience*
2/10 try harder, esl. maybe you'll sound more natural next time
>doesn't it make you the same as them
because we live here! -t. famous boomer flick
Not only is it morally wrong to kill captives, it also make it that much harder the rest of the way. News will get back and everyone will fight every battle to the last man knowing the loser won’t be spared.
Yeah, probably.
But it's worse to let them live.
There are no rules in war. Only winners and losers.
I really wish /misc/ would leave.
Sure you do, reddit. You're a pussy in need of a safe space.
In Russia's case, it's not like they have to provisions to supply any prisoners. It's either kill them where they stand or stick them into a glorified gulag where they starve.
Ukraine is fighting an existential war and has every right to hoist the black flag untill every single invader is either dead or gone from their country.
Sure. whatever, good luck, not my problem not gonna pay for it. I wish you all the best in making sure your homeland is free of Orc invaders, but it's just not my show.
Impossible to commit a “war crime” against an invading force
>Kill dudes who surrendered
yeah I'm sure he said it just like that, like dude like bro dudebro lmao
> Max Blumenthal
Literally a paid Russian asset on RT.
he just descrived usa in middle east
>posting the @rwapodcast cut
10/10 trolling OP
>Russia rape, plunder and butcher their way through hundreds of kilometers of Ukrainian land, with hundred if not thousands of examples being discovered
>Ukrainians conduct a handful in comparison in defence of their land
"Not vatnik" moralgays think these are exactly the same
>Is it wrong to kill surrendered enemy combatants
No
/thread
Why are you accepting their surrender if you're not going to honour it?
>Never heard of this group, sounds like a wagner ripoff
They're supposed to, they're the "anti-Wagner". An ethical PMC that doesn't do direct combat.
Millburn said he doesn't like the name but accepts that the Zoomers tell him the branding works.
Did blackwater change their name again? Never heard of this group, sounds like a wagner ripoff
>blumenthal
war crimes aren't real, just like hate crimes.
it's a war of invasion with heavy casualties. this moron/fraud just has no frame of reference to understand that type of conflict.
just finished watching this whole video and it's not what OP described at all. in fact its along the lines of every other interview of volunteers in ukraine.
in short:
-the UAF is a patchwork of trained and very amateur troops
-corruption is real and still happening
-the "West" is not supplying the UAF with what it really needs to quickly defeat the Russians. things like ATACMS and other advanced weaponry would 100% push the Russians out of Ukraine
-the Russians are not incompetent but are just wholly ill equipped for this type of modern warfare
>-the "West" is not supplying the UAF with what it really needs to quickly defeat the Russians. things like ATACMS and other advanced weaponry would 100% push the Russians out of Ukraine
This is on purpose. We want to drag the war out for as long as possible to frick with Russia. Doesn't matter how many slavs die, because they're not even human anyway lol. I hope this war never ends tbh. I stand with Joe Biden and his administration's determination to make sure no peace talks happen.
This whole thread is fricking gay. Russians are so clearly in the wrong and nobody cares about Ukrainians executing them. They earned it the minute they crossed the border. If you're upset about it, become a part of the UN and prosecute. You won't though. Russia is going to pay dearly for this whole deal.
see
You are a Russian shill.
>says Russia fricked around and found out and deserved what they got
>somehow a vatnik shill?
What did he mean by this?
No true Ukrainian would justify atrocities. That's orc behavior.
I'm American and the death of commies makes me hard.
>Russian shill pretends to be an American who doesn't know the USSR fell
yawn
>Russian shill doesn't understand that once you're soviet you're always soviet.
No, you're Russian. Everyone except for me is a Russian shill.
Yeah, maybe on opposite day.
You're a russian shill. He's a russian shill
Everyone that doesn't support current thing is russian shill!
I'd kill surrendered soldiers too if I was the one that had to decide.
>Killed my friends and allies
>Cowards that gave up when it got tough
>Might be black or brown
>Might be an older adult
>Might be injured
>Detention center might be days or weeks walk away
How old they are, their race, how far we are, and their fitness would be a huge determining factor if I had to decide whether to execute or not.
And that's why humanity needs robust systems in place to prevent people like you from ever having power. If you're not Christlike, you do not deserve to lead.
>Christlike
Nice try homosexual. But even god killed none believers. The bible version you grew up with isn't the same one I grew up with. Where homosexuals were beaten and prayed straight and heathens strung on crosses. Take you nu-age lgbtfgtbbq bullshit else where.
>none believers
Stopped reading there.
It's my thread : )
OP is a heavily edited cut shill post, stop bumping this gay shit
AYOOO
>run tank over civilian car
SO YOU'S BE SAYING
>castrate deserter
HOL' UP
>hide MRLS inside malls
SO YOU'S BE SAYIN'
>burn alive dissidents
WE
>kill cat and use it as ashtray
WUZ
>shell civilian towns and households
WAR CRIMINALS
>shell nuclear power plant risking a Chernobyl 2.0
'N'
>kidnap soldier's family
SHIEEEET?!?
see
Frick off VatBlack person.
Get better material glowie.
I know Russian is hard to learn but there's like a quazillion terms to describe Russian people, vatnik got stale and feels unorganic.
>14 rubles have been deposited into your account
How many hours of online imageboard shilling do you SBU glowies have to do in order to get the equivalent of 14 rubles?
I don't know what SBU is
Everyone who claims to support Ukraine while justifying atrocities is a Russian shill trying to make the innocent victims look bad.
>while justifying atrocities
We dropped 2 nukes on civilian cities and are still the only country ever to use nukes.
Ukraine cuts balls off and sets fire to captured soldiers
Russia bombs civilians
This is WAR, there is no right and wrong. Better to execute than torture.
>Everyone that doesn't support CURRENT THING is a russian shill!
>CURRENT THING
dude! toddler rape is objectively bad.
Frick Ukraine
Frick Russia
And Frick you too
>both sides are le bad
Whatever you say, John from Ohio Oblast.
>vatnik got stale and feels unorganic.
KYS vatBlack person
Hello SBU?
I'd like to point out bot #56536911 is broken and needs to be fixed.
Thanks.
found yet another falseflagging russian
>vatnik got stale and feels unorganic
If the shoe fits...
Vatnik got funny and feels accurate.
The only thing unorganic here is your anger against the word.
angry? lmao
you shills get upset over actual documented war crimes committed by your pawns being exposed and you even have the audacity to call other people "angry"
I'm not angry, I'm literally laughing my ass off
I don't defend Russia, I just point out that war is fricked and you shouldn't let your enemy live. We've done just as bad things, intentionally and unintentionally. There is no such thing as a civilian in war time. Only enemies and unarmed enemies. If they don't like it, they can flee the country and try being cowards else where.
Yes. It is murder. People with no morals or ethics struggle with the concept of Just War, just defense and rules of war because they are actually moronic autists missing parts of the mental capacity non brain damaged humans have. Its generally so counterproductive to victory its penalised as a matter of course anyway. Again morons won't understand why.
It's never wrong to kill Russians (men, women, children, armed or not) and there's no way to commit "war crimes" against such.
Imagine thinking Americans of all people care about "Ukrainian war crimes." Americans, who think Muslims are a fifth column and should've been deported. Americans, who literally fantasize about mutilating invading soldiers and sending them home as frick-nuggets.
frick off Ivan
I don’t need your fricking permission homosexual.
It’s an American world. You just live in it.
My point is this is pointless as propaganda. Americans revel in being cruel to their enemies, they're comfortable with hatred, and while they'll usually extend a helping hand afterwords, they'll stomp on your face mercilessly before then. Saying "Ukrainians are torturing Russian soldiers and killing the wounded" isn't going to make Americans upset, it's going to make them think "good," because it's what they would do, and happily.
Let's see what happens when someone invades your country with the intention of toppling your government and subverting your culture. Again. Are you going to be kind to the people murdering and raping your friends and family?
>vatnig breaks into your house and starts looting
>finds your wife
>rapes her
>you walk in
>s-sorry Mr. Russian, sir. I didn't realize you were raping my wife. C-can I get you anything else?
You're hilariously missing his point, ESL.
Horrifically wrong. Have some honor and treat your POWs well.
Russians are killing the best and brightest of Ukraine's men on a daily basis. I wouldn't blame anyone for hunting every last orc down and slitting their throat at they slept.
Why do israelitekrainians torture civilians then? Are these Russian "orc" soldiers?
>implying you dont know these are looters and collaborators
Who tf gives a frick?
Ukraine has always been a corrupt shithole. If Ivan invaded my country, raped, killed and tortured innocent people, I would gladly kill surrendered russians without a blink. Frick those guys, seriously.
Russians do that too and worse. It wouldn't be just if you treated Russians good while they do unspeakable things to you. For the sake of justice there must be equal weight on both sides.
"Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy"
yeah
>TheMozartGroup
>firm
Weren't they normal unit but named to frick about with WagBlack folk?
I've seen that spammed webm of the ball cutter mongol too many times to care about executed mobiks
why did he edit out the RT logo?
All three of those dudes are lifelong members of the Western MIC lmao