The marines are switching to an AR15 variant and the SF/Special operations branches have always used whatever the frick they wanted. For the mainstream british army however we're still stuck with the SA80. We have no fricking money and although I'm sure every british bod wants a new rifle given the state of procurement I'd be surprised if we'd see it introduced by the 2030s if it were announced now.
There have been no official announcements as of yet though and no 'hints', so no I don't think so >t. tired of having to carry a rifle that's 1-2 kilograms heavier than what literally everyone else uses despite only being 5.56
Yeah it's quite something. I'm pretty sure the exact same rifles they give us for field training exercises have seen both Iraq wars.
>Yeah it's quite something. I'm pretty sure the exact same rifles they give us for field training exercises have seen both Iraq wars.
Of course they have, wtf do you think every soldier gets their own gun to take home afterward? Do you think you're in Switzerland?
The big reason the British Army converted to the SA80 in the first place was the SLRs were absolutely thrashed out and it was impossible to teach marksmanship with them and would have had to be replaced anyway.
It's literally a dude seething about bongs, he doesn't care to be correct on an autistic image board the point isn't to fit in, but to create narratives.
Yes. Its called project Grayburn, and its meant to pick a successor next year. Its supposed to take a lot of the testing data from Project hunter (the ranger rifle) and build off of it, so there is a very strong possibility that it will share that programs requirement that any applicant be AR15-based. Other than that, there's not much info about it.
hadn't heard about this but if this is the case we're talking a decade at least >testing data
2-3 years >selecting a sucessor >2-3 years >trials
1-2 years >production
3-5 years >implementation
1-5 years (overlapping with production)
It's just gonna be the usual cycle of >5.56 is better! Switch to shorter carbines! >7.62 is better! switch to battle rifes! >5.56 is better >7.62 is better
every 5-20 years until we get lasguns and forcefields >the M1911 will remain your best friend all throughout this
Bongs already have their solution to the problem the XM7 was sought to solve, they issue marksman rifles (L129A1) out on the squad level since a few years ago. The army is more than likely going to follow the Royal marines commandos and adopt KS-1s.
2025 is the date for selection, and I think the whole point of reusing the ranger trial data is to streamline the acquisition. Plus its an off the shelf product, so issuing can start immediately. A decade until mass issue? Sure, but your standby units should be equipped by 2026.
Considering how the ministry has been on an expenditure cutting spree I doubt they're going to opt for domestic production as that would cost quite a bit to set up for what, 100k or 130k rifles?
All nations are mimicking GWOT americans now.
10-20 years ago so many nations had thier own unique gear.
Even china and russia started using Ar-15 variants in some capacity.
Brits, Aussies, French, all gave up thier own rifles and adopted an ar-15. Many others as well. H&K's main rifle is now a slightly modified Eugene Stoner rifle, I mean doesn't that hurt german engineering pride?
What happened to variety?
Sure the AR-15 was better, especialy with US civilian market upgrades and improvements that are what brought the m16 from vietnam era to what ars are now. Which other nations lacked since thier civies can't widely own and improve thier nations military arm, but still. You are supposed to try and make something.
Now half the world's infantry will look the same.
Firearm development has always been a path of least resistance and adopting what has been proven to work. This isn’t 1916, we know how guns are supposed to behave within the current technological framework. All paths lead to Stoner for rifles, all paths lead to Browning for pistols; it will remain this way until another paradigm shift in small arms occurs.
The AK and any similar stamped rifle relies on massive production runs to become affordable.
Long Stroke is unfashionable these days. Same with Delayed Blowback. They're good systems, but people tend to pass them over.
So now you're either going DI, or Short Stroke piston. Both of which were modernized by Stoner.
The AR15/AR18's format of a separate split receiver, stock, handguard, turns out to well facilitate modern modularity demands.
I spoke to a guy that actually had a fairly big part in the trials, apparently it really was an excellent rifle, we just lost out on it because the yanks were too desperate to get everybody using 7.62 so they could have their M14. Real shame, it was really ahead of its time.
>it’s okay that it’s worse if you can do big standard rifle activities with it!
If I need 20” barrel performance I’m taking something with free float rails any day of the week
>t.SLR rambo who thinks a heavier rifle alone makes better soldiers
I'm absolutely sick of this attitude. People like you are half of the problem with the army right now (the other half being the unironic OP teamwork enjoyers )
It's undeniably good for soldiers to endure hardship. It's also not necessarily a bad thing for a rifle to be heavy - but IF, and only IF, you're actually getting something in return for that weight that benefits combat effectiveness. The SA80 does absolutely nothing that other NATO gats don't do, except it does it worse, with the same caliber and with more weight. Yeah duh if you're a soldier who can't carry his rifle you don't belong in reg, but two extra kilograms adds up. I don't want to die because those two kilograms of weight were the tiny difference that led to my hands lowering slightly inside a building and getting me killed. It's unnecessary - a lighter rifle means better soldiers that are quicker, more effective and less likely to die. If you care about soldiers being tough you can beast bods into shape in other ways that won't affect their effectiveness in combat
I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range. 20" barrel in such a short package is still a trait worth something over other NATO rifles.
There are plenty of things about the rifle that could be better, and the weight is a pain when doing a CFT, but your argument about being able to hold it pointed at a target for duration is a bit weak.
All that weight is in the rear of the rifle and I can assure you it is far easier to keep pointed than an AR-15 with PEQs and suppresors latched on to the front end.
The squaddie will eternally find something to whinge about regarding the lump of metal they have to carry around for weeks on end. None of this is about forcing hardship on soldiers for the sake of it. I'm sure the Rangers will be moaning about their new toy soon enough.
>The squaddie will eternally find something to whinge about regarding the lump of metal they have to carry around for weeks on end. None of this is about forcing hardship on soldiers for the sake of it. I'm sure the Rangers will be moaning about their new toy soon enough.
Yeah I'm with you there. Somewhere in the far future a mobile infantry bod on mars will complain that his indestructible power armour doesn't have air conditioning. >I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range. 20" barrel in such a short package is still a trait worth something over other NATO rifles.
In a vacuum, yes, 20 inch in a short package is better, but in the case of the SA80 the extra weight and general tomfrickery of it are not worth it. As previously stated, engagements where you desperately need 20" barrel performance are a taliban matter we will no longer be dealing with. And we have marksmen / section gunners if you REALLY want to kill someone far away.
>All that weight is in the rear of the rifle
Even if the weight is mostly in the rear it's still more of a b***h to move with it and damaging to combat effectiveness in CQB than a lighter rifle for zero benefit.
>I can assure you it is far easier to keep pointed than an AR-15 with PEQs and suppresors
bollocks, more weight even if it balances out the rifle will make it harder to carry and thus harder to keep it pointed.
To be fair I say all this but I do love it. First rifle I ever fired and there is something about it that would make me sad if it went away, like the girl I lost my virginity to. And it has soul.
I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range. 20" barrel in such a short package is still a trait worth something over other NATO rifles.
There are plenty of things about the rifle that could be better, and the weight is a pain when doing a CFT, but your argument about being able to hold it pointed at a target for duration is a bit weak.
All that weight is in the rear of the rifle and I can assure you it is far easier to keep pointed than an AR-15 with PEQs and suppresors latched on to the front end.
The squaddie will eternally find something to whinge about regarding the lump of metal they have to carry around for weeks on end. None of this is about forcing hardship on soldiers for the sake of it. I'm sure the Rangers will be moaning about their new toy soon enough.
>Oi mate yer got a loicense for them opinions? >Gaw bless the queens socks bin that free thought before it 'urts someone
Fricking bongs. Bongs on a weapons board, how is this even allowed? Nobody gives a frick about your opinions. You're not even a noguns, you're not even a noblades, you're a fricking nospoons. Get the frick out of here.
> I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range
No you dont because you haven’t evaluated the 2 in the mountains at range.
>t.SLR rambo who thinks a heavier rifle alone makes better soldiers
I'm absolutely sick of this attitude. People like you are half of the problem with the army right now (the other half being the unironic OP teamwork enjoyers )
It's undeniably good for soldiers to endure hardship. It's also not necessarily a bad thing for a rifle to be heavy - but IF, and only IF, you're actually getting something in return for that weight that benefits combat effectiveness. The SA80 does absolutely nothing that other NATO gats don't do, except it does it worse, with the same caliber and with more weight. Yeah duh if you're a soldier who can't carry his rifle you don't belong in reg, but two extra kilograms adds up. I don't want to die because those two kilograms of weight were the tiny difference that led to my hands lowering slightly inside a building and getting me killed. It's unnecessary - a lighter rifle means better soldiers that are quicker, more effective and less likely to die. If you care about soldiers being tough you can beast bods into shape in other ways that won't affect their effectiveness in combat
Oh yeah, not to mention the fact that we won't be engaging taliban and their charming consortium of insurgents anymore, at least not on the ground outside of speshul forces activity. Doctrine is being re-focused to peer-on-peer conflict, for good reason. Look at ukraine - fighting is either so far away that you're shooting to suppress, so "muh 600m engagement viability" doesn't matter, or so close you can fricking smell them (trenches, buildings etc) in which case I want a lighter rifle that I can move with easily.
>yes the sas and sbs use the c7
Never used C7s. M16A2s then C8SFWs and then C8IURs. They don't use them any more.
>royal marines use the m27
RM have never used the M27 or any kind of HK416 variant
They went from the SA80 to the new KAC KS-1.
Some specialist units used C8SFWs but the MoD refused to fund them as an SA80 replacement because Colt are c**ts
>Never used C7s
Yes they did. We never had the M16A2, just 604s and 603s that the C7/8 replaced. >RM
RMs issue weapon is the SA80, the KS1 is to compliment that not to replace it.
43cmd use the C8 with a 10inch barrel because it uses fraginable ammunition, there main weapon is the C8 however if they deployed off a ship they would use the SA80.
>M16A2s
Don’t forget they started with M16A1s
Also I swear the C8 was actually issued to regular troops?
The C7 was exclusively a pathfinder platoon weapon, it was an entirely distinct purchase for the regular army. UKSF used A2s (as evidenced by several of pics from Sierra Leone where you can see the rear sight, barrel profile and deflector) and this meme floating around these last few years that UKSF bought C7s alongside the L119s is certainly possible, but there's no actual evidence to support it. Whereas you can see a few years prior to that purchase theyre using A2s (which have to be post-gulf war, since it was all A1 rear sights in those pics), so as far Im concerned SAS/SBS use of C7 is pure conjecture and not all that likely they would buy a functionally identical gun to a relatively new gun they already had; when the focus was on getting modern carbines.
>The C7 was exclusively a pathfinder platoon weapon
PF had A2s as well AFAIK
Colt Model 715/Diemaco C7s were used by recce troops of 3 Commando Brigade. I forget what they were called at the time, but they're now part of 30 Commando IX Gp.
what does the C7 have that is different than a regular m4/m16 to help with cold weather function? I love the AR pattern but the extreme cold seems to be one area where it can have issues.
1 month ago
Anonymous
What makes you think the AR is bad at cold weather?
1 month ago
Anonymous
None at all. That's why Canadian Rangers got Tikka bolt action rifles (C19) because ARs including the C7, couldn't cut it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The Canadian Rangers aren't a military unit at all though, they're more like National Park Rangers. Those rifles will only be used for wildlife.
>being replaced with an AR15 derivative?
Every other rifle used by every other force is so yeah, probably. The AR-ification of western militaries has been a disaster for small arms aesthetics.
There's something about the SA80 that just hits something in me though. >a cludge built by spite designed by people who know absolutely nothing about guns
Compared to the StG77 which was built from the ground up and the FAMAS the SA80 is some great ideas (good optic, STANAG) combined with really DUMB ones. The best "service rifle" would be a fixed barrel AUG with SUSAT and STANAG mags for the Brits. >muh M16
Was a absolute failure on every level.
>heavy for 5.56 >inaccurate at distance due to not being able to have a free float barrel >awkward handling >bad trigger >bad ergos
Im surprised it took this long
If you're talking about the L85 it does now have a free float barrel since the A3 and is actually renowned for having pretty amazing accuracy at distance even beforehand.
We know its getting replaced. We know there's an active competition. We don't know who has won yet but given how the arms market is going there is a near 100% chance the rifle will be some kind of Stoner design. KAC won the recent SOF contract. But they are a small company and probably not capable of producing enough rifles for even the small British army. I'd expect someone larger like FN, Beretta, SIG or HK to get it. They all have modern military stoner rifles in their lineup and are accustomed to large military orders.
>i'm totally a good boy, mods >you can't delete my threads
What happened to your impunity posting and how you can shit up the place as much as you want without being able to get banned?
I'm talking about how you, warriortard, boasted about how you can't be banned and can post with impunity, but then got your shit kicked in for it on multiple occasions. So much for your impunity, schizo.
What's your opinion on warriotard? Inb4 >his enemies are so much worse >*conviniently ignoring how warriortard falseflags as his enemies*
1 month ago
Anonymous
My opinion is that anyone who starts talking about warriortard unprompted in unrelated threads after 50+ posts of people talking on topic is a moron.your obsession with the dude and others opinion of him is pretty gay
1 month ago
Anonymous
>literally does the pathetic thing he was told he would do
Like a broken record.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You were wrong on your call out should I just pretend your right so your feelings remain in tact
1 month ago
Anonymous
You just couldn't let the post stand on its own, could you? No, you had to get mad, you had to make a big show out of it. So either you are some idiot who hasnt got a clue or you are warriortard. Again, you are the problem.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>you aren’t allowed to reply to my mental illness posts >what I say goes!
Nah
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yes, because that is your mental illness, this is why everyone can always tell or guess it is you. That and how you completely ignore how probably over half of all times you get mad at these kind of posts it is just another one of warriortards false flags. Take a step back, actually try to look at the situation, maybe acknoweledge you aren't right in this one and just let it go. You are just making it worse for you.
1 month ago
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>My opinion is that anyone who starts defending warriortard or helping him in a thread he would definitely make or visit, while ignoring or not even acknowleding how much shit he does and how often he falseflags, are one of the bigger reasons why the situation got so bad.
You are the problem, you dingus.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Geez, how do I put this so you’ll understand, I don’t care that some guy posts things you don’t like. You are annoying even though you are defending what you think is right. Are you starting to understand? I don’t care if my posts calling you a moron furthers the cause of the warriortard poster
I've seen video of French foreign legion struggling to reload their famas while under fire, it doesn't matter how used you get to reloading your bullup it's still less natural than a normal rifle reload and in a stress situation it matters
Bullups are superior in paper only
>board feels great for a few days >look at catalogue today >way more bong threads than usual >all filled with inorganic samegayging, falseflagging and shit flinging
It's amazing how noticeable it is when that homosexual starts shitting up the board. Like night and day.
Dude it's literally JUST YOU. Everyone else ITT is having a lovely discussion about the benefits of different types of rifles. Kindly contribute or frick right off you wank
Yes, they're slowly phasing them out to replace them with the KS-1, they've already issued them to the Ranger batallions and the plan is to phase out the A3s and slowly replace them with the KS-1, it's cheaper to just buy a KS-1 than upgrade an A2 to A3 spec.
They are ramping down production with the intent to replace
https://www.army-technology.com/news/british-army-to-begin-ramping-down-sa80-rifle
There has never been new production of L85A2s or L85A3s. All were rebuilt from the original production piece-of-shit L85A1s.
The marines are switching to an AR15 variant and the SF/Special operations branches have always used whatever the frick they wanted. For the mainstream british army however we're still stuck with the SA80. We have no fricking money and although I'm sure every british bod wants a new rifle given the state of procurement I'd be surprised if we'd see it introduced by the 2030s if it were announced now.
There have been no official announcements as of yet though and no 'hints', so no I don't think so
>t. tired of having to carry a rifle that's 1-2 kilograms heavier than what literally everyone else uses despite only being 5.56
Yeah it's quite something. I'm pretty sure the exact same rifles they give us for field training exercises have seen both Iraq wars.
>Yeah it's quite something. I'm pretty sure the exact same rifles they give us for field training exercises have seen both Iraq wars.
Of course they have, wtf do you think every soldier gets their own gun to take home afterward? Do you think you're in Switzerland?
The big reason the British Army converted to the SA80 in the first place was the SLRs were absolutely thrashed out and it was impossible to teach marksmanship with them and would have had to be replaced anyway.
2025 is when we will likely get a new service rifle, or at least when we'll start to see bids for one
No A1 parts remain on the A3 though
The A1/A2 receivers and barrels were replaced on the A3. The A2 replaced basically everything else from the A1
It's literally a dude seething about bongs, he doesn't care to be correct on an autistic image board the point isn't to fit in, but to create narratives.
Are you talking about me? I wasn't seething. L85A2 and A3 are functional and accurate rifles. They're just awfully heavy for what they are.
Probably, the L85 is shit
Yes. Its called project Grayburn, and its meant to pick a successor next year. Its supposed to take a lot of the testing data from Project hunter (the ranger rifle) and build off of it, so there is a very strong possibility that it will share that programs requirement that any applicant be AR15-based. Other than that, there's not much info about it.
hadn't heard about this but if this is the case we're talking a decade at least
>testing data
2-3 years
>selecting a sucessor
>2-3 years
>trials
1-2 years
>production
3-5 years
>implementation
1-5 years (overlapping with production)
I'm sure the Brits are going to be watching how the NGSW goes and in what manner that program falls apart. That will influence future decisions.
It's just gonna be the usual cycle of
>5.56 is better! Switch to shorter carbines!
>7.62 is better! switch to battle rifes!
>5.56 is better
>7.62 is better
every 5-20 years until we get lasguns and forcefields
>the M1911 will remain your best friend all throughout this
*battle rifles
>the M1911 will remain your best friend all throughout this
If we get dune forcefields, then bigger & slower calibers win.
Get mogged 9mm .
Let the butt-lerian jihad begin
Bongs already have their solution to the problem the XM7 was sought to solve, they issue marksman rifles (L129A1) out on the squad level since a few years ago. The army is more than likely going to follow the Royal marines commandos and adopt KS-1s.
2025 is the date for selection, and I think the whole point of reusing the ranger trial data is to streamline the acquisition. Plus its an off the shelf product, so issuing can start immediately. A decade until mass issue? Sure, but your standby units should be equipped by 2026.
Any chance of it being domestically produced? or are they just gonna buy from the US/Canada/Germany/whatever?
>Any chance of it being domestically produced?
Probably only if FN win it
Considering how the ministry has been on an expenditure cutting spree I doubt they're going to opt for domestic production as that would cost quite a bit to set up for what, 100k or 130k rifles?
Our government is allergic to anything that would provoke a hint of British pride, so no.
>This thread
Yeah, the spam threads recently are 100% this homosexual.
have a nice day armatard
Yes, the Americans have saved the day again
The frick is that SA80
Transgender BRN180 that got bottom surgery and now identifies as a bullpup
All nations are mimicking GWOT americans now.
10-20 years ago so many nations had thier own unique gear.
Even china and russia started using Ar-15 variants in some capacity.
Brits, Aussies, French, all gave up thier own rifles and adopted an ar-15. Many others as well. H&K's main rifle is now a slightly modified Eugene Stoner rifle, I mean doesn't that hurt german engineering pride?
What happened to variety?
Sure the AR-15 was better, especialy with US civilian market upgrades and improvements that are what brought the m16 from vietnam era to what ars are now. Which other nations lacked since thier civies can't widely own and improve thier nations military arm, but still. You are supposed to try and make something.
Now half the world's infantry will look the same.
Firearm development has always been a path of least resistance and adopting what has been proven to work. This isn’t 1916, we know how guns are supposed to behave within the current technological framework. All paths lead to Stoner for rifles, all paths lead to Browning for pistols; it will remain this way until another paradigm shift in small arms occurs.
Why?
The AK and any similar stamped rifle relies on massive production runs to become affordable.
Long Stroke is unfashionable these days. Same with Delayed Blowback. They're good systems, but people tend to pass them over.
So now you're either going DI, or Short Stroke piston. Both of which were modernized by Stoner.
The AR15/AR18's format of a separate split receiver, stock, handguard, turns out to well facilitate modern modularity demands.
why dont they just revive the EM-2? Give it some modern furniture and optics and wham bam good to go.
RDB M43 in .277 Fury when?
Captcha: SNAAP
I spoke to a guy that actually had a fairly big part in the trials, apparently it really was an excellent rifle, we just lost out on it because the yanks were too desperate to get everybody using 7.62 so they could have their M14. Real shame, it was really ahead of its time.
Are you sure he didn’t just watch the forgotten weapons video or read Wikipedia 15 minutes before talking to you because this is common knowledge.
Probably. Bullpups except for the AUG are dogshit
Even the frogs capitulated and adopted an AR15 derivative. The ARification of every western military is inevitable.
It seems to me like just a natural extension of NATO's existing standardization of equipment
except its not? Just because they are AR's doesn't mean the parts are interchangeable or they have the exact same operating system.
if two rifles are ARs then plenty of parts are going to be interchangeable
Aren’t the Bongs already mainly using C8 clones on deployment?
You're thinking of the Dutch
godmiljaar stroopwafel
>t. tired of having to carry a rifle that's 1-2 kilograms heavier than what literally everyone else uses despite only being 5.56
This reeks of limp wristed crow who hasn't had to engage Taliban at 600m
>it’s okay that it’s worse if you can do big standard rifle activities with it!
If I need 20” barrel performance I’m taking something with free float rails any day of the week
>t.SLR rambo who thinks a heavier rifle alone makes better soldiers
I'm absolutely sick of this attitude. People like you are half of the problem with the army right now (the other half being the unironic OP teamwork enjoyers )
It's undeniably good for soldiers to endure hardship. It's also not necessarily a bad thing for a rifle to be heavy - but IF, and only IF, you're actually getting something in return for that weight that benefits combat effectiveness. The SA80 does absolutely nothing that other NATO gats don't do, except it does it worse, with the same caliber and with more weight. Yeah duh if you're a soldier who can't carry his rifle you don't belong in reg, but two extra kilograms adds up. I don't want to die because those two kilograms of weight were the tiny difference that led to my hands lowering slightly inside a building and getting me killed. It's unnecessary - a lighter rifle means better soldiers that are quicker, more effective and less likely to die. If you care about soldiers being tough you can beast bods into shape in other ways that won't affect their effectiveness in combat
I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range. 20" barrel in such a short package is still a trait worth something over other NATO rifles.
There are plenty of things about the rifle that could be better, and the weight is a pain when doing a CFT, but your argument about being able to hold it pointed at a target for duration is a bit weak.
All that weight is in the rear of the rifle and I can assure you it is far easier to keep pointed than an AR-15 with PEQs and suppresors latched on to the front end.
The squaddie will eternally find something to whinge about regarding the lump of metal they have to carry around for weeks on end. None of this is about forcing hardship on soldiers for the sake of it. I'm sure the Rangers will be moaning about their new toy soon enough.
>The squaddie will eternally find something to whinge about regarding the lump of metal they have to carry around for weeks on end. None of this is about forcing hardship on soldiers for the sake of it. I'm sure the Rangers will be moaning about their new toy soon enough.
Yeah I'm with you there. Somewhere in the far future a mobile infantry bod on mars will complain that his indestructible power armour doesn't have air conditioning.
>I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range. 20" barrel in such a short package is still a trait worth something over other NATO rifles.
In a vacuum, yes, 20 inch in a short package is better, but in the case of the SA80 the extra weight and general tomfrickery of it are not worth it. As previously stated, engagements where you desperately need 20" barrel performance are a taliban matter we will no longer be dealing with. And we have marksmen / section gunners if you REALLY want to kill someone far away.
>All that weight is in the rear of the rifle
Even if the weight is mostly in the rear it's still more of a b***h to move with it and damaging to combat effectiveness in CQB than a lighter rifle for zero benefit.
>I can assure you it is far easier to keep pointed than an AR-15 with PEQs and suppresors
bollocks, more weight even if it balances out the rifle will make it harder to carry and thus harder to keep it pointed.
To be fair I say all this but I do love it. First rifle I ever fired and there is something about it that would make me sad if it went away, like the girl I lost my virginity to. And it has soul.
>Oi mate yer got a loicense for them opinions? >Gaw bless the queens socks bin that free thought before it 'urts someone
Fricking bongs. Bongs on a weapons board, how is this even allowed? Nobody gives a frick about your opinions. You're not even a noguns, you're not even a noblades, you're a fricking nospoons. Get the frick out of here.
I love watching people seethe at our presence knowing they have absolutely no control whatsoever
> I know for a fact the M4 can't do what the L85 can do up in the mountains at range
No you dont because you haven’t evaluated the 2 in the mountains at range.
If I’m in the mountains where space isn’t a concern I’d much rather have a 20 barrel conventional rifle with a free float barrel than some chode rifle
Oh yeah, not to mention the fact that we won't be engaging taliban and their charming consortium of insurgents anymore, at least not on the ground outside of speshul forces activity. Doctrine is being re-focused to peer-on-peer conflict, for good reason. Look at ukraine - fighting is either so far away that you're shooting to suppress, so "muh 600m engagement viability" doesn't matter, or so close you can fricking smell them (trenches, buildings etc) in which case I want a lighter rifle that I can move with easily.
Not to mention an m4 with a free float rail is more useful out to distance than an SA-80
yes the sas and sbs use the c7 from canada the royal marines use the m27 and some american rifle style gun
>yes the sas and sbs use the c7
Never used C7s. M16A2s then C8SFWs and then C8IURs. They don't use them any more.
>royal marines use the m27
RM have never used the M27 or any kind of HK416 variant
They went from the SA80 to the new KAC KS-1.
Some specialist units used C8SFWs but the MoD refused to fund them as an SA80 replacement because Colt are c**ts
>M16A2s
Don’t forget they started with M16A1s
Also I swear the C8 was actually issued to regular troops?
>Never used C7s
Yes they did. We never had the M16A2, just 604s and 603s that the C7/8 replaced.
>RM
RMs issue weapon is the SA80, the KS1 is to compliment that not to replace it.
43cmd use the C8 with a 10inch barrel because it uses fraginable ammunition, there main weapon is the C8 however if they deployed off a ship they would use the SA80.
603/604s we never had the M16 of the M16A1.
The C7 was exclusively a pathfinder platoon weapon, it was an entirely distinct purchase for the regular army. UKSF used A2s (as evidenced by several of pics from Sierra Leone where you can see the rear sight, barrel profile and deflector) and this meme floating around these last few years that UKSF bought C7s alongside the L119s is certainly possible, but there's no actual evidence to support it. Whereas you can see a few years prior to that purchase theyre using A2s (which have to be post-gulf war, since it was all A1 rear sights in those pics), so as far Im concerned SAS/SBS use of C7 is pure conjecture and not all that likely they would buy a functionally identical gun to a relatively new gun they already had; when the focus was on getting modern carbines.
>The C7 was exclusively a pathfinder platoon weapon
PF had A2s as well AFAIK
Colt Model 715/Diemaco C7s were used by recce troops of 3 Commando Brigade. I forget what they were called at the time, but they're now part of 30 Commando IX Gp.
C7 is much better suited for northern europe, for the winter you need a gun that can deal with ice
what does the C7 have that is different than a regular m4/m16 to help with cold weather function? I love the AR pattern but the extreme cold seems to be one area where it can have issues.
What makes you think the AR is bad at cold weather?
None at all. That's why Canadian Rangers got Tikka bolt action rifles (C19) because ARs including the C7, couldn't cut it.
The Canadian Rangers aren't a military unit at all though, they're more like National Park Rangers. Those rifles will only be used for wildlife.
are we gonna get parts kits for it?
No, why would we? Why do you keep asking this moronic question?
Just simulate having an SA-80 by throwing spent brass into the feeding mechanism
Not unless they get exported to a third party nation
>being replaced with an AR15 derivative?
Every other rifle used by every other force is so yeah, probably. The AR-ification of western militaries has been a disaster for small arms aesthetics.
There's something about the SA80 that just hits something in me though.
>a cludge built by spite designed by people who know absolutely nothing about guns
Compared to the StG77 which was built from the ground up and the FAMAS the SA80 is some great ideas (good optic, STANAG) combined with really DUMB ones. The best "service rifle" would be a fixed barrel AUG with SUSAT and STANAG mags for the Brits.
>muh M16
Was a absolute failure on every level.
>>muh M16
>Was a absolute failure on every level.
stopped reading there
>stopped reading after the last sentence of his entire post
The sa80 was never a good rifle. This is welcome news
>heavy for 5.56
>inaccurate at distance due to not being able to have a free float barrel
>awkward handling
>bad trigger
>bad ergos
Im surprised it took this long
If you're talking about the L85 it does now have a free float barrel since the A3 and is actually renowned for having pretty amazing accuracy at distance even beforehand.
We know its getting replaced. We know there's an active competition. We don't know who has won yet but given how the arms market is going there is a near 100% chance the rifle will be some kind of Stoner design. KAC won the recent SOF contract. But they are a small company and probably not capable of producing enough rifles for even the small British army. I'd expect someone larger like FN, Beretta, SIG or HK to get it. They all have modern military stoner rifles in their lineup and are accustomed to large military orders.
>Is it true that warriortard is an brit-obsessed schizo which seethes all day over them?
Yes.
This threads seems pretty benign and on topic. Are you feeling okay?
>i'm totally a good boy, mods
>you can't delete my threads
What happened to your impunity posting and how you can shit up the place as much as you want without being able to get banned?
What the frick are you talking about
I'm talking about how you, warriortard, boasted about how you can't be banned and can post with impunity, but then got your shit kicked in for it on multiple occasions. So much for your impunity, schizo.
You are confusing me with someone else
What's your opinion on warriotard? Inb4
>his enemies are so much worse
>*conviniently ignoring how warriortard falseflags as his enemies*
My opinion is that anyone who starts talking about warriortard unprompted in unrelated threads after 50+ posts of people talking on topic is a moron.your obsession with the dude and others opinion of him is pretty gay
>literally does the pathetic thing he was told he would do
Like a broken record.
You were wrong on your call out should I just pretend your right so your feelings remain in tact
You just couldn't let the post stand on its own, could you? No, you had to get mad, you had to make a big show out of it. So either you are some idiot who hasnt got a clue or you are warriortard. Again, you are the problem.
>you aren’t allowed to reply to my mental illness posts
>what I say goes!
Nah
Yes, because that is your mental illness, this is why everyone can always tell or guess it is you. That and how you completely ignore how probably over half of all times you get mad at these kind of posts it is just another one of warriortards false flags. Take a step back, actually try to look at the situation, maybe acknoweledge you aren't right in this one and just let it go. You are just making it worse for you.
>My opinion is that anyone who starts defending warriortard or helping him in a thread he would definitely make or visit, while ignoring or not even acknowleding how much shit he does and how often he falseflags, are one of the bigger reasons why the situation got so bad.
You are the problem, you dingus.
Geez, how do I put this so you’ll understand, I don’t care that some guy posts things you don’t like. You are annoying even though you are defending what you think is right. Are you starting to understand? I don’t care if my posts calling you a moron furthers the cause of the warriortard poster
Just have a nice day already.
Got to love warriortards projections, always spot on.
Now kiss!
I think you need to slip wtard a tenner for that on his OF otherwise this ehooker wont do it.
I've seen video of French foreign legion struggling to reload their famas while under fire, it doesn't matter how used you get to reloading your bullup it's still less natural than a normal rifle reload and in a stress situation it matters
Bullups are superior in paper only
God I hope so. Having an ally nation use such a piece of shit was infuriating.
>board feels great for a few days
>look at catalogue today
>way more bong threads than usual
>all filled with inorganic samegayging, falseflagging and shit flinging
It's amazing how noticeable it is when that homosexual starts shitting up the board. Like night and day.
Dude it's literally JUST YOU. Everyone else ITT is having a lovely discussion about the benefits of different types of rifles. Kindly contribute or frick right off you wank
Nta, but if you had said nothing it would have been better.
Yes, they're slowly phasing them out to replace them with the KS-1, they've already issued them to the Ranger batallions and the plan is to phase out the A3s and slowly replace them with the KS-1, it's cheaper to just buy a KS-1 than upgrade an A2 to A3 spec.
>AR15 derivative
By that, do you mean functioning like an AR-15 or AR-18 while looking like an AR-15?
Yes