If you use shipping containers you can just lock a new storey onto your existing bunker. You can also weld them on laterally if you balance the structure and done right you can even have an inverted stepped pyramid. This method was innovated by the Egyptian architech Im-potent in the 7th century BP (Before Pepe) to make use of the containers then clogging the Nile.
It's quite solid even under pressure. Had the designer of Titan simply used a shipping container instead of carbon fibre xir would still be alive.
Another option is to shuffle storeys like playing cards where one may add or subtract as needed.
only way it could possibly be cheaper is if price of materials is going to down in the future
even if the price stays the same, you have to build a roof, then rip it off later and build another roof; and then some more demo in the first floor to build stairs to the second floor because you probably just did a drop staircase for the attic initially
>and then some more demo in the first floor to build stairs to the second floor because you probably just did a drop staircase for the attic initially
I'm thinking more along the lines of *designing* a massive 2 story house and only doing the first 2 bedrooms or thereabouts until I need the space
Stairs maim old people so the only reason for more than one storey is tiny lot size. If you're building for retirement your mobility WILL decrease and of course stairs guarantee at least one fall.
Most home buyers don't want to plan with cold pragmatism but it pays off. Build your retirement home long before you retire so nothing needs to change including easy access.
Use it or lose it, a sedentary lifestyle will atrophy you worse than ageing on it's own will if you stay active.
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While this is true, my very active grandparents were forced to move out of their house when they were about 80, because the stairs were getting to be too much.
Your mobility decreases rapidly after about 75 years old, and that's if you manage to avoid any kind of disabiling injury your entire life.
Honestly, if I was designing a multi-story place for myself, I'd add in an elevator of some kind. Imagine never having to carry furniture up the stairs again.
Why not
1. Build the house when you need it and live somewhere else
2. Build the whole house and rent parts or all of it out
3. Build the small version of the house and when you need a bigger one sell it and build the big one
>and then some more demo in the first floor to build stairs to the second floor because you probably just did a drop staircase for the attic initially
I'm thinking more along the lines of *designing* a massive 2 story house and only doing the first 2 bedrooms or thereabouts until I need the space
Adding a second level is a complete bastard from start to finish. The permitting agency will require an engineer's sign-off on every component, and the engineer will want to do direct inspections of a lot of the components unless you have the original prints. And once you get past that, you get to empty everything out of the house since you're going to be tearing off the roof and ceiling of the lower level. If for some reason you really like the idea of '1st floor now, 2nd floor later', do yourself a favor and build it with all levels to start and just leave the second level unfinished.
>permitting agency
Doesn't exist here. >just leave the second level unfinished.
This is kind of what I'm thinking by now. If I can insulate it separately from the rest of the house and thereby not have to heat it until necessary, that'd be optimal.
Stairs maim old people so the only reason for more than one storey is tiny lot size. If you're building for retirement your mobility WILL decrease and of course stairs guarantee at least one fall.
Most home buyers don't want to plan with cold pragmatism but it pays off. Build your retirement home long before you retire so nothing needs to change including easy access.
I'm building for a multi-generational household (or at least, that's what the second story will be for). If I can't raise my kids/grandkids such that they'll help me some when I'm old, then I deserve to fall down the stairs and die. If I never have the kids to begin with, the upstairs will remain nonexistent or unfinished anyway and the stairs will simply never be used.
>I'm building for a multi-generational household (or at least, that's what the second story will be for).
You don't live in the US by the wording elsewhere so lack of land is understandable.
If you did then not getting more land (much more) is a mistake since land is both buffer (neighbors suck) and freedom of choice. For example I have just over five acres (small by US standards) zoned agricultural which gives me many more and less restrictive land use options than pure residential zoning which is prison.
If you presume your descendants will be your serfs you'll need leverage like inheritance to push that, and it's common for parent and child to both be too old to care for themselves like my bro whose parents are in their eighties who is 64 and crippled. ALWAYS plan for what you don't want to happen. Being smug about your expectations is a great way to install problems.
Are you just autistic about the design and see height as mandatory? If you cannot help it you can design the place for easy all-storey handicap access which also makes moving furniture easy. Long ramps to outside decks offer fun social options without stairs which they do not exclude but supplement.
Built three stories and then chop one off.
i would say to be aware loot-hungry raid leads that want to take healer loot for their sippy sets
If you use shipping containers you can just lock a new storey onto your existing bunker. You can also weld them on laterally if you balance the structure and done right you can even have an inverted stepped pyramid. This method was innovated by the Egyptian architech Im-potent in the 7th century BP (Before Pepe) to make use of the containers then clogging the Nile.
It's quite solid even under pressure. Had the designer of Titan simply used a shipping container instead of carbon fibre xir would still be alive.
Another option is to shuffle storeys like playing cards where one may add or subtract as needed.
only way it could possibly be cheaper is if price of materials is going to down in the future
even if the price stays the same, you have to build a roof, then rip it off later and build another roof; and then some more demo in the first floor to build stairs to the second floor because you probably just did a drop staircase for the attic initially
>and then some more demo in the first floor to build stairs to the second floor because you probably just did a drop staircase for the attic initially
I'm thinking more along the lines of *designing* a massive 2 story house and only doing the first 2 bedrooms or thereabouts until I need the space
>is it cheaper to finish 2 floors of a 2 story house or 1 floor of a 2 story house
i dont know you tell me
Stairs maim old people so the only reason for more than one storey is tiny lot size. If you're building for retirement your mobility WILL decrease and of course stairs guarantee at least one fall.
Most home buyers don't want to plan with cold pragmatism but it pays off. Build your retirement home long before you retire so nothing needs to change including easy access.
Cost per square foot is almost always cheaper to build up rather than out. Same goes for finishing a basement.
>Stairs maim old people
Poor old people, but who needs them anyway
You will be one in what will feel like five minutes from now.
Your body will deteriorate well before then. That is inevitable. Also stairs make moving furniture amazingly annoying. A big price to pay for style.
Use it or lose it, a sedentary lifestyle will atrophy you worse than ageing on it's own will if you stay active.
While this is true, my very active grandparents were forced to move out of their house when they were about 80, because the stairs were getting to be too much.
Your mobility decreases rapidly after about 75 years old, and that's if you manage to avoid any kind of disabiling injury your entire life.
Honestly, if I was designing a multi-story place for myself, I'd add in an elevator of some kind. Imagine never having to carry furniture up the stairs again.
Why not
1. Build the house when you need it and live somewhere else
2. Build the whole house and rent parts or all of it out
3. Build the small version of the house and when you need a bigger one sell it and build the big one
It's not cheaper if your foundation and framing doesn't expect a second floor.
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i guess if you just frame the 2nd floor without insulating your utility bills will be higher because no insulation
Adding a second level is a complete bastard from start to finish. The permitting agency will require an engineer's sign-off on every component, and the engineer will want to do direct inspections of a lot of the components unless you have the original prints. And once you get past that, you get to empty everything out of the house since you're going to be tearing off the roof and ceiling of the lower level. If for some reason you really like the idea of '1st floor now, 2nd floor later', do yourself a favor and build it with all levels to start and just leave the second level unfinished.
>permitting agency
Doesn't exist here.
>just leave the second level unfinished.
This is kind of what I'm thinking by now. If I can insulate it separately from the rest of the house and thereby not have to heat it until necessary, that'd be optimal.
I'm building for a multi-generational household (or at least, that's what the second story will be for). If I can't raise my kids/grandkids such that they'll help me some when I'm old, then I deserve to fall down the stairs and die. If I never have the kids to begin with, the upstairs will remain nonexistent or unfinished anyway and the stairs will simply never be used.
>I'm building for a multi-generational household (or at least, that's what the second story will be for).
You don't live in the US by the wording elsewhere so lack of land is understandable.
If you did then not getting more land (much more) is a mistake since land is both buffer (neighbors suck) and freedom of choice. For example I have just over five acres (small by US standards) zoned agricultural which gives me many more and less restrictive land use options than pure residential zoning which is prison.
If you presume your descendants will be your serfs you'll need leverage like inheritance to push that, and it's common for parent and child to both be too old to care for themselves like my bro whose parents are in their eighties who is 64 and crippled. ALWAYS plan for what you don't want to happen. Being smug about your expectations is a great way to install problems.
Are you just autistic about the design and see height as mandatory? If you cannot help it you can design the place for easy all-storey handicap access which also makes moving furniture easy. Long ramps to outside decks offer fun social options without stairs which they do not exclude but supplement.
So old parents go downstairs and the young generation goes up. Problem solved.