> Go on 5 day hiking trip
> Walking trail, starts raining
> Salomons get wet
> Won't dry
> Suffer foot rot for remaining 3 days, every step feels like a million needles on my soles
Should've just gotten leather, huh?
Is Gore-Tex a scam?
> Go on 5 day hiking trip
> Walking trail, starts raining
> Salomons get wet
> Won't dry
> Suffer foot rot for remaining 3 days, every step feels like a million needles on my soles
Should've just gotten leather, huh?
>Should've just gotten leather, huh?
Yes, especially for multiday hikes. You WILL get wet, for a day hike that doesnt matter, for a multiday that means youll have dry your boots out, likely during sleep. Goretex or other membrane is notorious for not drying fast. Its just how goretex works. Non-membrane will dry quicker. The only time id consider goretex is during snowy/winter season, and for dry/summer season id use light trail runners, anything inbetween will be non-gtx leather boots.
What if you day hike 5 times a week in swampy terrain in the winter/shoulder seasons, and have access to warm air vents to dry your boots each night?
What do you think it is about membrane that makes it not dry quickly?
>its the relative lack of airflow compared to non-waterproof materials
Leather has this same problem
Because the membrane works both ways, that means it harder to walk them dry, and it'll be harder to passively dry the boot while you sleep. Youll usually need a towel or paper towel to have the moisture inside soak up in, and then switch out.
>Leather has this same problem
Which is why it would be stupid to add membrane on top of this. Membrane simply wont air out if the pressure from the outside is greater than that of the inside. This is why you often get sweaty using a membrane jacket during the rain. The membrane cant air out the sweat because the outside air pressure is greater. The difference is of course that jackets often have pit vents, which helps. Unfortunately this isnt a thing with boots, so your only equivalent is taking your boots off, which you can typically only do during rests/sleep.
Then it'll probably be fine if you know theyll dry. Just make sure you have boots that can handle constant wetting/cold and drying/warmth. I know leather boots can take a toll if you do this too much. And of course as with anything, if water goes above the brim of you boot, the goretex wont do much to protect you.
gortex is scam because it's original fabric is banned and now they use the same shit everyone else uses but put gortex on it.
Wear wool socks with plastic bags over em works for me in a pinch
Because you didn't wear gaiters. Water will go inside the boot and it will take 1 million years to dry out.
shut your mouth you're not allowed to say true things here
>gayters
Would you rather be called gay on the internet or have wet feet in sub-zero conditions?
Do you think leather shoes will dry faster, or do you think your feet won’t get wet?
It is not a scam but it seems your mind is made so maybee shill cotton and hate poles while you're at it, a touch of batonny chop chop?
Forgot to throw in Osprey and that one moron who keeps on trying to force the Maladaptive Daydreaming thing while also being a pre op troony
Goretex is a chemical manufacturing and textile company you moron. They make all kinds of products
You aren’t being smart, everyone knows what OP is talking about, you’re just being a pedantic butthole
Wrong. Op is moronic and cant figure out how to use language any more than he can figure out what a membrane does. The statement that goretex is a scam is carcinogenically moronic
Wrong. Gore-Tex is the trademarked name of a fabric/membrane.
Bring extra socks, dumbass
Wear trail runners. Place gaitors over them. Put on Gortex socks underneath if it's soaking wet. Change out your DarnTough primary and Injinji liner socks every day while drying out the other pair.
It isn't the technology that has been failing here.
>every step feels like a million needles on my soles
I feel that you're probably making this seem worse than it is. You walked around in wet footwear for a while, it's not like you spent a winter in the trenches.
I saw a youtube video about this a while back, and apparently it's just a gimmick, and there are other products out there that do a far better job
?
It's just a brand name at this point, plenty of other manufacturers have their own versions, some aren't as good, some are better. There isn't one technology that works for all circumstances.
People in most of the US wearing Gore-Tex is a symptom of the California Influence.
Basically it’s a matter of humidity. California is fairly arid, especially in the places where hiking is more common. Gore-Tex is a fantastic choice in those areas, as it excels in those conditions.
Wearing it in the Southeast is like wearing a plastic bag. It’s just a piss poor choice, but hey everyone in YouTube said it was great and the consensus on Facebook is pretty clear, right?
Gore-Tex works by allowing water vapor to pass through a membrane while blocking water in liquid form. In order for water vapor to be carried through the membrane, the humidity on one side and of the garment has to be lower than the other. If the relative humidity is very low (such as in California), Gore-Tex works well as humid air inside of a jacket (or shoe) can readily be absorbed and evaporated through the membrane. When relative humidity is high, frick you; the rate at which it builds inside the garment will be too high for it to pass through the Gore-Tex membrane and evaporate.
Sometimes Gore-Tex works in the eastern half of the US, but not often. If you consider it a good option and do t live in an arid environment, then you fell for a West Coast meme.
you have a weak immune system if you got trench foot after five days, and you obviously didnt bring extra socks. it sucks to suck
I walked 100km+ on 5 days last 3 days my Salomons were soaked every step puffed out the water what am I gonna do stop and let them fry out in the sun? Yes I changed socks and they soaked and it rained every night.
>Salomons
>No rubber rand
You might as well wear trail runners.
I've had very good experiences with goretex and even copycats.
For boots you need to change socks. Changing socks is how you dry boots. Lt Dan is 100% correct on changing socks.
>Salmons
there is your problem
Goretex on the inside is useful because it dries faster than leather. You want full leather on the outside and goretex on the inside.
Synthetic on the outside and goretex on the inside is for hiking tourists that sleep in huts. Never buy a boot that has synthetic on the outside and expect to have dry feet for more than a day if it rains.
>just spent $600 on a goretex arcteryx jacket for skiing/winter hiking/light climbing
did I get memed?
Personally dislike arcteryx. Had a few of their products from the LEAF line. The jacket would break even with lite use, specifically the zipper. Luckily I had the lifetime warranty, but it still sucks sending your jacket off and not have it fir close to a month. Most of their other products arent that impressive. I wasnt sad when the LEAF line was taken off the public market tbqh, and I dont intend on ever buying an arcteryx product.
Youll be fine tho, its not a terrible product, just overprice imo, which is expected from a brand.
> specifically the zipper
Your zipper was made by YKK not Arcteryx. They are generally concidered very high quality zippers
> Most of their other products arent that impressive
Come on now. Arcteryx have had a very progressive aporoach to making clothes for almost 30 years and are constantly pushing the boundary and setting new standards that other brands adjust to or even copys. That means some of their products wont be perfect. Some might even be really bad, but they are redone or discontinued. Sometimes products are even revised mid-season bc they cant wait to push out (what they deem to be) improved products.
If you hate the hype, fair enough. I get it. But denying that Arcteryx makes alot of high quality and high performing products is silly
blowing 600$ yes. However assuming you didnt have one before, a hardshell is really useful in temps freezing and below. I have no clue why its main advertised purpose is rain/water protection because modern pozzed dwr is near useless and will get your jackets boots and pants saturated quick. honestly waxed canvas probably works just as well if not lasts longer. dont feel bad about having a good hardshell though that shits works real good (more than any softshell) in really bad wind and weather below freezing
2nd on the DWR. Goretex and similar is great in freezing temps, DWR really works well for light rain. If it's really raining though I've gone with impermeable materials like silnylon.
For a jacket it is great. Have a North Face triclimate jacket I got in 2007. The outer shell was marketed as Gore-Tex and I can honestly say that it is tough as frick. Might not be the case for every brand. This jacket is completely wind and waterproof. Other than the shitty plastic zipper that broke, it is still in perfect condition.
For my feet, I started carrying a pair of water socks. The ones pictured. They weigh 7.6 oz and you can roll them up. If my feet are going to get wet, I change into them. They're tight fitting so you don't sand or rocks in them if playing at the creek. They dry really fast and work great as a pair of camp slippers. Use to carry a pair of flip flops to wear around camp, but switched to the water socks and don't regret it.
Seething op can’t accept that he sucks at PrepHole in the easiest period of history to PrepHole
Treat yourself to some waterproof socks, they're brilliant.
I always got the impression salomons were for rich people who buy boots for 1 expedition then chuck them, I've never known anyone manage to keep a pair past a couple of months.
Gore Tex is a medical company and only has the outdoor market to get rid of lower quality products.
Look it up
ITT: morons who don’t know how Gore-Tex works.
PrepHole proves once again that it absolutely deserves its reputation as a newbie containment zone. Please don’t shit up Reddit with these moron takes. Stay here.
Who goes to reddit with any actual need?
People who actually go outdoors.
Trail snails are not going outside, they are commuting to selfies. It's funny to frick with them when they migrate to places they invade though.
You’ve never actually visited the various Reddit subs. You just bought into a /misc/ meme. You’re not immune to propaganda.
I've seen redditors stranded in parking lots with thier stickers and that was enugh. Frick em.
/misc/ is moronic but they are far cleaner than reddit. I'm more of a /k/ person anyway.
moronic posts get downvoted to oblivion on Reddit. Here people can just double down on their stupidity without having their posts go straight to the bottom and hidden.
>Should've just gotten leather, huh?
You should have tried your fricking boots out.
You are a little baby.
Been wearing gore-tex shoes for ever and they're fine.
Skill issue?