Yes and no.
Depression can have a shitton of causes, usually some that are pretty deep. Going PrepHole gives you three major things that may help:
- It grounds you in reality. It's easy to dissociate in modern society with depression and to feel like a zombie, where days are starting to flow together and time is meaningless. Meditation is nothing more than being present in the moment and paying attention to the present. Most people have issues doing this without help, so being outside can help with that a lot, it's a meditative experience. As such, being PrepHole can help with some forms of dissociation.
- It removes distractions. To fix depression you have to analyze it. Find the original causes, what feeds into it and then take steps to fix it. This is hard work and requires concentration. It is also part of what a therapist should help you with normally. This deliberate reflection is hard to do with distractions, so going PrepHole can give you the distance (physically and mentally) as well as calmness to do so.
- It can recontextualize suffering. Sometimes in everyday life you can get things into your head, start getting trapped in negative though loops, and start feeling very bad over things that in the grand scheme of things matter little. When you sit at a campfire with others, or walk in the forest, you realize that really, not much is needed to be happy in life.
- (bonus) if you go on longer hikes, or do something rewarding like foraging/hunting/fishing the sense of accomplishment from overcoming adversity or learning/displaying a skill can give you a small self esteem boost.
Will it fix you? No. But is it worth doing? Absolutely. It may help and it will at least help you get out of thought loops and give you some silence to contemplate things. Just don't go into buying a shitload of gear or getting distracted, instead focus on actually going PrepHole.
I hope things get better anon, I really do.
Frick, I want to go camping again. The last time I really camped was in high school, with my dad, stepmom and her family, and since then, they got an rv and although it's not exactly the same, I still love hiking throughout the mountains in California.
It helps, but not instantaneously. You need to keep at it. Establishing a constructive, healthy hobby (like going outside, in this example) will pay dividends in time.
for me it is litterally instantanious although temporery
pretty views and fresh air and some light excersize just simply being out make me forget about how cripplingly depressed i am as soon as i see it
i immediatwly feel at peace and my mind becomes clear
seeig cute animals and pretty plants is also just nice and nice stuff is nice
i think to make the feeling last requires more dedication tho
It´s no cure by itself, but it is a big part in getting better.
I wish I could PrepHole but I also have Agoraphobia.
I hope it will get better some day.
is it possible to be agoraphobic but only to urban places or busy public places?
id stand on top of a mountain any day but when i lived near london i became a complete shut in and was terrified of leaving my house, not for any danger but because the world itself just seemed scary to me
im now living back in the countryside tho and feeling better
is it like that for u fren or does the whole outdoors scare u?
It´s everywhere, sadly.
I´m also a diagnosed hypochondriac, so being PrepHole makes my fear of a heart attack/stroke so much worse.
I´m not a psychiatrist, but I´d assume that if you are only a shut-in in City settings, you´re more likely to have Social Anxiety, but wtf do I know.
Glad to hear that you got over this, and now live in a better place. Cities fricking suck.
Regarding my situation, I try to work against my condition, and try to go outside if I´m feeling like I´m up to the task.
Few weeks ago I walked alone at night at a local park, and was like 30 minutes from my home, which is a huge achievement for me.
I´m trying my best not to fall into some sort of victim mentality, or feel sorry for myself.
Things will get better some day.
I still dream of hitchhiking the Balkans some day, or train-hopping.
Godspeed Anon.
try going out in the wilderness fren, i used to think i was agoraphobic till i realised its people im scared of not the outside
when ur out in a place where the only humans for miles is the occasional hiker you might feel different
a city park at night is nice but not the same
or is it rly the ouside that scares u like the scale of it or something?
>or is it rly the ouside that scares u like the scale of it or something?
It´s the fear of having a Heart Attack/Stroke or panic attack miles from any help, mostly.
I don´t have any rational fears regarding PrepHole, only psychological bullshit that I´m trying to get over.
How old are you? If you're under 50 and not morbidly obese, the chances of that happening anywhere are pretty low.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I´m 29, and slightly overweight, because I barely leave the house due to agoraphobia, and can´t do any sports because if my heart rate goes over say, 130 bpm, I´m getting a panic attack and think I´m going to die of a heart attack.
I know all this sounds fricking moronic, and it is, it´s delusional, but it´s also ruining my fricking life and I hate it with ever fiber of my being.
It´s a mix between Agoraphobia and Hypochondria. I´m regularly trying to get out of my Comfort Zone though, so I´m not giving into this bullshit. I don´t plan on crawl into a hole and die anytime soon.
>It´s the fear of having a Heart Attack/Stroke
Dude, that's a perfect way to go. Imagine you're in the forest doing something relaxing and nice and then bam, you check out on a high note. The only thing I'd be worried about would be dying suddenly while I've got a fire going. I wouldn't want to start a forest fire, that'd be terrible. But the idea of dying like that, while I'm doing something I love and then having little forest critters like foxes gather sustenance from my flesh, having moss grow on me and getting reabsorbed by the land is very soothing. It's even cool that someone may discover your overgrown skeleton, it would be a cool experience for someone who might visit that same remote location one day. Especially if you have a cool diary like mine that you're still clutching in your skeletal hands. Maybe that person who is hopefully white will be in a survival situation with no tools, because he lost his backpack in the river, and he might take your old knife and he'd be wow, this is such a cool knife, and it's still sharp... thank you skeleton bro, I owe you my life. I'll also never baton with this knife, because batoning is not covered by the lifetime warranty.
Maybe he'll take your skull back to his new cabin and make a little shrine for it, worshiping you as the Life-Giving Skeletal Walker, making small offerings of food, etc.
Gives me a fuzzy feeling.
Man, the corpsepill sounds comfy as frick.
do you have a condition or just paranoia?
either way this doesnt sound right u have a phone and u can always just go out with somone else
It´s basically just Health Anxiety. Nothing about my condition is based in reality. I´m just a mentally ill nutcase who really really really wishes he could go PrepHole like everyone else.
Maybe one day.
I can´t go with someone else, as I don´t really have any friends.
Jesus Christ I sound fricking pathetic don´t I.
2 years ago
Anonymous
u do sound pathetic but its ok i am too
i spent the vast majority of my life hiding in my room playing shitty PrepHole videogames instead of actually going out
became homeless last year and its been a real life changing experience, not all round for the better cos now im trying to kill as many braincells as i can with weed but having my comfort zone and belongigs completely taken away has rly changed me
bought myself a shitty old mountain bike ive been fixing up and now im basically always PrepHole exploring looking for nice views and peace
u can go out fren u just gotta get over that psychological barrier
i only got over it cos i was forced over it but i think u can do it urself if u try hard enough
i beleibe in u <3
>It´s the fear of having a Heart Attack/Stroke
Dude, that's a perfect way to go. Imagine you're in the forest doing something relaxing and nice and then bam, you check out on a high note. The only thing I'd be worried about would be dying suddenly while I've got a fire going. I wouldn't want to start a forest fire, that'd be terrible. But the idea of dying like that, while I'm doing something I love and then having little forest critters like foxes gather sustenance from my flesh, having moss grow on me and getting reabsorbed by the land is very soothing. It's even cool that someone may discover your overgrown skeleton, it would be a cool experience for someone who might visit that same remote location one day. Especially if you have a cool diary like mine that you're still clutching in your skeletal hands. Maybe that person who is hopefully white will be in a survival situation with no tools, because he lost his backpack in the river, and he might take your old knife and he'd be wow, this is such a cool knife, and it's still sharp... thank you skeleton bro, I owe you my life. I'll also never baton with this knife, because batoning is not covered by the lifetime warranty.
Maybe he'll take your skull back to his new cabin and make a little shrine for it, worshiping you as the Life-Giving Skeletal Walker, making small offerings of food, etc.
Gives me a fuzzy feeling.
Yes, being alone in the wilderness inherently makes you happier. The more you do it the happier you will be.
>How very happily we live, >free from busyness >among those who are busy. >Among busy people, >free from busyness we dwell. > >How very happily we live, >we who have nothing. >We will feed on rapture >like the Radiant gods. > >Dhammapada
i recently made a thread similar to this, and the jannies (in their infinite wisdom) moved it to /adv/ for it to die right away, because no one on /adv/ has ever seen the outdoors. so, be ready just in case that happens to this one too.
anyways, a lot of the friends who gave me advice basically said that no amount of going out is going to fix things, but you will be much better off to keep going out than not. there are probably other things in your life that need looked at instead of putting a bandaid over the wound by just going out. for me it was basically that i needed a new life goal, and interactions with friends irl. consider what is causing you to feel sad, and tackle that. if it is just mental illness depression, then you may want to seek professional help.
>completely adrift, thinking of offing myself >first time PrepHole today >pick a spot not far from here, small village with hermitage on a mountain >getting to the village already counts as trekking >no signal whatsoever >once I get there I look at the mountain and spot the hermitage all the way up in the green >frick yeah I'm going to get there >get on the trail, it's steep but OK >it's a mid difficulty trail >ha, this is easy >after a while it turns really nasty, loose rocks, gravel, slipping a lot >no sticks, shoes are inadequate >I'm not gonna make it like this >wish I had trekking poles or something >see long branch on the ground >that's my trekking pole >take folding saw, cut it to size >limb it with chest height cuts with the mora >holy shit I never thought these would come handy on day 1 >I have a wanderer's staff holy.shit >MASSIVE difference >push for another few miles, terrain is fricking awful >get to a point where I have to help myself with the other hand on the rocks/ground >stick saves me from falling a few times >greatest high I've ever felt >perfectly understand why crazy people risk an arm and a leg to summit big rocks >path eventually gets like 10 inches wide with slippery gravel and literally nothing on one side >if I slip I'm going to roll straight off the mountain >hmmmm.jpg >nobody even knows I'm here >sit on a rock and consider long and hard if I should try or go back >lots of butterflies everywhere it's fricking spectacular >decide I'll come better prepared next time >extremely salty about it >go back down >change my shirt >feel sorry about leaving the stick but I had to let it go >thanks stick, you may now return to the earth >get back to urban world >give bits of my lunch to stray cats looking miserable >trash >decay >loud ugly people >worn out covid signals that were never removed >loud cars >horrible music
yeah I wanna go back already
get ur gear and get up there fren and see if ur stick is still there
i always like taking souvineers from my adventures like nice rocks and sticks or just crappy phone pictures
I went there by train so I could get arrested if I carried a big stick with me in the coach lol. But I'll look for it next time.
What I'm concerned about is whether or not having better shoes will make a difference in that context. The ones I had were light boots with a sole much like a running shoe. I'm getting actual hiking boots that should have a nice grip. I'll have to see how I manage next time I go and I'll take my trekking poles with me as well. That said I suspect that something happened on that trail. We've had some heavy rains in this area recently so maybe those made it worse, because I find it hard to believe it's rated as medium difficulty. It wasn't particularly hard to travel but I was seriously risking a fall a few times and it wouldn't have been pretty. It's a narrow path on a slope with nothing to hold on to by the side, lots of gravel and small rocks. I had to look for the bigger rocks to make my way up but finding stable points was way too difficult. I really wish we had that nice flat woodland like in the UK here
that sounds like alotta fun ifind uk trails so boring
definetly get some good boots for that tho
maybe some gloves so you can go 4x4 if you need to
pack light too
Let's trade lives anon. I hate clambering up shitty terrain. I even suffer from mild vertigo. I want the flat woodland experience where I sit near the lake and watch the deer and bunnies frolicking in the green while I sip on a cup of tea
I actually have the answer to all questions like "does nature cure depression": no, nature doesn't do anything. it's modernity that causes depression. nature only helps in the sense that it implies an absence of modernity. there are many "nature" resorts for families with kids, lots of people, music etc. It's all in "nature" but it feels as oppressive as being in a city.
>there are many "nature" resorts for families with kids, lots of people, music etc. It's all in "nature" but it feels as oppressive as being in a city.
Why the frick would you go to a place like that instead of actually going PrepHole? Man there really is no cure for moronation.
if your depression comes from lack of social interaction and friends, then no it would make you feel worse. being PrepHole is being alone and enjoying it.
for my part i absolutely hate everything about humanity, civilisation and in general being in crowded places dealing with others. whenever i have to do so at work i always keep a mental image of pic related in my head and repeat to myself "deal with this now for x more days and you will be free again"
the only problem is now that im here i consider sucide instead of going back to work again. thats a very real thing, once you experience the bliss of outdoors life and solitude, there might not be a way back.
>grew up in countryside >cities and the whole concept of modern wagiecagie life horrifies me on a profound level
it all just feels so wrong i dont want any part of it but i have to 🙁
i wana live in a nice wooden hut in a pretty landscape in a small community mostly self sustaining and just have a simple life this is the way were mwant to live
the frickin amish were right all along
With the rare exception of biochemical imbalance, the majority of depression is attribited to environmental and lifestyle practices that are not condusive to your homeostasis. If youre depressed, you must either change yourself, or change all else that is around you.
Yes, but mostly no.
While PrepHole you will feel better, but getting back into the hellscape that is modern cities will feel even worse. So it kinda only works if youre already living PrepHole
Lots of nice discussion and positivity in this thread. I’m just dropping in one of my favorite poems that I think is relevant here, a sonnet by John Keats:
O Solitude! if I must with thee dwell,
Let it not be among the jumbled heap
Of murky buildings; climb with me the steep,—
Nature’s observatory—whence the dell,
Its flowery slopes, its river’s crystal swell,
May seem a span; let me thy vigils keep
’Mongst boughs pavillion’d, where the deer’s swift leap
Startles the wild bee from the fox-glove bell.
But though I’ll gladly trace these scenes with thee,
Yet the sweet converse of an innocent mind,
Whose words are images of thoughts refin’d,
Is my soul’s pleasure; and it sure must be
Almost the highest bliss of human-kind,
When to thy haunts two kindred spirits flee.
Depression come from whatever is your relationship with others.
Going out give you space. No pun intended. It may help, you may briefly forget about your life issues, but it wont solve anything.
3 > 4 > 2 > 1 in terms of effectiveness.
Finding the right partner will reaffirm that you are likeable and worthwhile as a person, however this is only really feasible if you aren't so fricked up that you self-compromise and ruin any romantic opportunities you get.
Going PrepHole is a good way to get rid of all the noise that society and social media causes, and it'll give you time to think about yourself and what you want, but it's a long game. It takes a long time to work through your issues completely by yourself.
PrepHole is massively overrated for building self-confidence, as all it does is tie your sense of self-worth to how much better you look compared to everyone else, but it's great for giving you a sense of direction and routine. Often depressed people will live with such lack of direction that they forget what day of the week it is, which only worsens the issue.
Combat is an escape, and virtually all of my friends have said that they were morons for going into the military thinking it would fix their issues. Wouldn't recommend this.
I'm genuinely convinced that looking at asphalt, concrete, ads and modernist art is bad for your health, like breathing asbestos except it comes through the eyes.
Same with Black person music and to a lesser degree any kind of unsolicited music.
I have one cup of organic (AKA pesticide free) coffee (boosts testosterone) and a shot of gin (quinine boosts immune system). Tobacco also boosts testosterone and reduces the chances of alzheimers but there are a lot of chemicals put in those products so I wouldn't smoke unless I grew it myself. Goyslop is an addictive substance.
The truth is that nature is never boring to look at. Animals are nice to watch but even just the grass, the texture of bark etc. are always pleasantly random so your eyes and brain never tire. Asphalt, plastic, evenly painted stuff etc. but even the very layout of cities where you have everything at regular intervals is just tiring. Cars look all the same now with the same curves and they're soul grinding to look at. But you could watch a horse all day. The only things you see in a city that break the monotony are generally unpleasant e.g. badly kept vegetation that broke it boundaries at best, ads, roadkill, trash, shit, puddles of vomit, or just ugly people at worst. If you see a dead animal in the woods it's just part of nature, roadkill is fricking depressing. There's a reason why people find overgrown post-apocalyptic media soothing. Small medieval villages in Europe are a mess in term of urban landscaping but they are pleasant because they are irregular, all the houses have little quirks that make them unique. I walk in one of these places once and I immediately have a mental map because my brain actually gives a shit but I easily get lost in my hometown if I get somewhere unfamiliar. I hate public parks the worst because everything is cut to size by the same robots who design cities. These people who plan this shit out, who are they? Are they even human? How can you design living spaces like this? How do people endure this shit? It's like a big prison with no gates.
I think I go PrepHole because I want to die in an accident. Sometimes I think about moving somewhere in northern Europe but as soon as I even look at the job market I feel instantly drained. My mind just goes blank. Even if I had any valuable skills I am so alienated and I have so little to share with anyone that I'll never get hired short term or long term. I'm not even moronic or autistic, just a really bitter idiot who's lost direction so I have no excuse. I might end up homeless all of a sudden, my savings are drained and it's not like I can camp in the woods in Europe. I don't want anything society offers to people who are in it. I think I'm just going places wishing that something happens to me. I can't do it myself because I have a couple responsibilities but I'm getting so tired. I just can't stop thinking about it.
>northern Europe
Go to Sweden, they have Allemansrätten where you can pretty much camp anywhere since there's so much abundant land that no one occupies.
>Is going PrepHole a good cure for depression?
Depends on what you mean.
If you think depression is "omg I'm so sad right now" then yes, taking a walk and being inna woods or inna fell will help you a huge amount.
If you mean clinical depression, as in your brain is miswired and misfiring and you are unable to find the will to get enough energy to just get out of your bed this week, then no, going PrepHole won't be enough. You'll need some professional help.
>clinical depression, as in your brain is miswired and misfiring
people who made this up are penning gender dysphoria out of the big book of mental illnesses. those brains aren't misfiring but mine is if I feel like killing myself when I'm trapped in a life filled with hollow, ugly and grating shit?
clinical depression doesn't exist, it's just a natural reaction to living a life unfit for human beings. Of course people will adapt in time, I can't.
>northern Europe
Go to Sweden, they have Allemansrätten where you can pretty much camp anywhere since there's so much abundant land that no one occupies.
I was thinking of moving to Sweden or Finland but finding work seems difficult for people with degrees. I like Poland too but again, no marketable skills except knowing English well. I was in a rut for a long time so I'm practically dead weight by now. I just think there are too many people and I can't compete with someone who actually enjoyed life and thought about progressing and getting things done while I was putting all my efforts into just not offing myself. The jab making me half deaf was the cherry on top. I'm drained.
Yes and no.
Depression can have a shitton of causes, usually some that are pretty deep. Going PrepHole gives you three major things that may help:
- It grounds you in reality. It's easy to dissociate in modern society with depression and to feel like a zombie, where days are starting to flow together and time is meaningless. Meditation is nothing more than being present in the moment and paying attention to the present. Most people have issues doing this without help, so being outside can help with that a lot, it's a meditative experience. As such, being PrepHole can help with some forms of dissociation.
- It removes distractions. To fix depression you have to analyze it. Find the original causes, what feeds into it and then take steps to fix it. This is hard work and requires concentration. It is also part of what a therapist should help you with normally. This deliberate reflection is hard to do with distractions, so going PrepHole can give you the distance (physically and mentally) as well as calmness to do so.
- It can recontextualize suffering. Sometimes in everyday life you can get things into your head, start getting trapped in negative though loops, and start feeling very bad over things that in the grand scheme of things matter little. When you sit at a campfire with others, or walk in the forest, you realize that really, not much is needed to be happy in life.
- (bonus) if you go on longer hikes, or do something rewarding like foraging/hunting/fishing the sense of accomplishment from overcoming adversity or learning/displaying a skill can give you a small self esteem boost.
Will it fix you? No. But is it worth doing? Absolutely. It may help and it will at least help you get out of thought loops and give you some silence to contemplate things. Just don't go into buying a shitload of gear or getting distracted, instead focus on actually going PrepHole.
I hope things get better anon, I really do.
mushrooms
the only time i don't think about killing myself is when im PrepHole, but im hoping nature kills me which is slightly different.
loser, man up ffs
based beyond belief. truly the avatar of primitive suicidal men.
Yes
Literally every time someone makes a "waaaah I'm sad" thread on /b/ it's always a citygay who hasn't gone camping in 10+ years
Frick, I want to go camping again. The last time I really camped was in high school, with my dad, stepmom and her family, and since then, they got an rv and although it's not exactly the same, I still love hiking throughout the mountains in California.
Idk, it can get lonely out there sometimes.
In my experience, yes. Keep hiking, brother.
It helps, but not instantaneously. You need to keep at it. Establishing a constructive, healthy hobby (like going outside, in this example) will pay dividends in time.
for me it is litterally instantanious although temporery
pretty views and fresh air and some light excersize just simply being out make me forget about how cripplingly depressed i am as soon as i see it
i immediatwly feel at peace and my mind becomes clear
seeig cute animals and pretty plants is also just nice and nice stuff is nice
i think to make the feeling last requires more dedication tho
>Is going PrepHole a good cure for depression?
It's the only cure for depression.
Looks more cheerful than the first one.
It´s no cure by itself, but it is a big part in getting better.
I wish I could PrepHole but I also have Agoraphobia.
I hope it will get better some day.
is it possible to be agoraphobic but only to urban places or busy public places?
id stand on top of a mountain any day but when i lived near london i became a complete shut in and was terrified of leaving my house, not for any danger but because the world itself just seemed scary to me
im now living back in the countryside tho and feeling better
is it like that for u fren or does the whole outdoors scare u?
It´s everywhere, sadly.
I´m also a diagnosed hypochondriac, so being PrepHole makes my fear of a heart attack/stroke so much worse.
I´m not a psychiatrist, but I´d assume that if you are only a shut-in in City settings, you´re more likely to have Social Anxiety, but wtf do I know.
Glad to hear that you got over this, and now live in a better place. Cities fricking suck.
Regarding my situation, I try to work against my condition, and try to go outside if I´m feeling like I´m up to the task.
Few weeks ago I walked alone at night at a local park, and was like 30 minutes from my home, which is a huge achievement for me.
I´m trying my best not to fall into some sort of victim mentality, or feel sorry for myself.
Things will get better some day.
I still dream of hitchhiking the Balkans some day, or train-hopping.
Godspeed Anon.
>Unbothered
>Moisturized
>Happy
>In my lane
>Focused
>Flourishing
I had this exact thought and if you hadn't replied thusly, I would have.
try going out in the wilderness fren, i used to think i was agoraphobic till i realised its people im scared of not the outside
when ur out in a place where the only humans for miles is the occasional hiker you might feel different
a city park at night is nice but not the same
or is it rly the ouside that scares u like the scale of it or something?
>or is it rly the ouside that scares u like the scale of it or something?
It´s the fear of having a Heart Attack/Stroke or panic attack miles from any help, mostly.
I don´t have any rational fears regarding PrepHole, only psychological bullshit that I´m trying to get over.
How old are you? If you're under 50 and not morbidly obese, the chances of that happening anywhere are pretty low.
I´m 29, and slightly overweight, because I barely leave the house due to agoraphobia, and can´t do any sports because if my heart rate goes over say, 130 bpm, I´m getting a panic attack and think I´m going to die of a heart attack.
I know all this sounds fricking moronic, and it is, it´s delusional, but it´s also ruining my fricking life and I hate it with ever fiber of my being.
It´s a mix between Agoraphobia and Hypochondria. I´m regularly trying to get out of my Comfort Zone though, so I´m not giving into this bullshit. I don´t plan on crawl into a hole and die anytime soon.
Man, the corpsepill sounds comfy as frick.
It´s basically just Health Anxiety. Nothing about my condition is based in reality. I´m just a mentally ill nutcase who really really really wishes he could go PrepHole like everyone else.
Maybe one day.
I can´t go with someone else, as I don´t really have any friends.
Jesus Christ I sound fricking pathetic don´t I.
u do sound pathetic but its ok i am too
i spent the vast majority of my life hiding in my room playing shitty PrepHole videogames instead of actually going out
became homeless last year and its been a real life changing experience, not all round for the better cos now im trying to kill as many braincells as i can with weed but having my comfort zone and belongigs completely taken away has rly changed me
bought myself a shitty old mountain bike ive been fixing up and now im basically always PrepHole exploring looking for nice views and peace
u can go out fren u just gotta get over that psychological barrier
i only got over it cos i was forced over it but i think u can do it urself if u try hard enough
i beleibe in u <3
>It´s the fear of having a Heart Attack/Stroke
Dude, that's a perfect way to go. Imagine you're in the forest doing something relaxing and nice and then bam, you check out on a high note. The only thing I'd be worried about would be dying suddenly while I've got a fire going. I wouldn't want to start a forest fire, that'd be terrible. But the idea of dying like that, while I'm doing something I love and then having little forest critters like foxes gather sustenance from my flesh, having moss grow on me and getting reabsorbed by the land is very soothing. It's even cool that someone may discover your overgrown skeleton, it would be a cool experience for someone who might visit that same remote location one day. Especially if you have a cool diary like mine that you're still clutching in your skeletal hands. Maybe that person who is hopefully white will be in a survival situation with no tools, because he lost his backpack in the river, and he might take your old knife and he'd be wow, this is such a cool knife, and it's still sharp... thank you skeleton bro, I owe you my life. I'll also never baton with this knife, because batoning is not covered by the lifetime warranty.
Maybe he'll take your skull back to his new cabin and make a little shrine for it, worshiping you as the Life-Giving Skeletal Walker, making small offerings of food, etc.
Gives me a fuzzy feeling.
do you have a condition or just paranoia?
either way this doesnt sound right u have a phone and u can always just go out with somone else
If you do it daily.
Yes, being alone in the wilderness inherently makes you happier. The more you do it the happier you will be.
>How very happily we live,
>free from busyness
>among those who are busy.
>Among busy people,
>free from busyness we dwell.
>
>How very happily we live,
>we who have nothing.
>We will feed on rapture
>like the Radiant gods.
>
>Dhammapada
Yes, because exercise is one of the most effective anti depressants available.
i recently made a thread similar to this, and the jannies (in their infinite wisdom) moved it to /adv/ for it to die right away, because no one on /adv/ has ever seen the outdoors. so, be ready just in case that happens to this one too.
anyways, a lot of the friends who gave me advice basically said that no amount of going out is going to fix things, but you will be much better off to keep going out than not. there are probably other things in your life that need looked at instead of putting a bandaid over the wound by just going out. for me it was basically that i needed a new life goal, and interactions with friends irl. consider what is causing you to feel sad, and tackle that. if it is just mental illness depression, then you may want to seek professional help.
Frick yeah it is especially when you hike wearing G O Y S L O P
It's temporarily alleviation
Depression can't be cured
don't delude yourself
The israeli agenda
Get the hell out of here glowie
>completely adrift, thinking of offing myself
>first time PrepHole today
>pick a spot not far from here, small village with hermitage on a mountain
>getting to the village already counts as trekking
>no signal whatsoever
>once I get there I look at the mountain and spot the hermitage all the way up in the green
>frick yeah I'm going to get there
>get on the trail, it's steep but OK
>it's a mid difficulty trail
>ha, this is easy
>after a while it turns really nasty, loose rocks, gravel, slipping a lot
>no sticks, shoes are inadequate
>I'm not gonna make it like this
>wish I had trekking poles or something
>see long branch on the ground
>that's my trekking pole
>take folding saw, cut it to size
>limb it with chest height cuts with the mora
>holy shit I never thought these would come handy on day 1
>I have a wanderer's staff holy.shit
>MASSIVE difference
>push for another few miles, terrain is fricking awful
>get to a point where I have to help myself with the other hand on the rocks/ground
>stick saves me from falling a few times
>greatest high I've ever felt
>perfectly understand why crazy people risk an arm and a leg to summit big rocks
>path eventually gets like 10 inches wide with slippery gravel and literally nothing on one side
>if I slip I'm going to roll straight off the mountain
>hmmmm.jpg
>nobody even knows I'm here
>sit on a rock and consider long and hard if I should try or go back
>lots of butterflies everywhere it's fricking spectacular
>decide I'll come better prepared next time
>extremely salty about it
>go back down
>change my shirt
>feel sorry about leaving the stick but I had to let it go
>thanks stick, you may now return to the earth
>get back to urban world
>give bits of my lunch to stray cats looking miserable
>trash
>decay
>loud ugly people
>worn out covid signals that were never removed
>loud cars
>horrible music
yeah I wanna go back already
get ur gear and get up there fren and see if ur stick is still there
i always like taking souvineers from my adventures like nice rocks and sticks or just crappy phone pictures
I went there by train so I could get arrested if I carried a big stick with me in the coach lol. But I'll look for it next time.
What I'm concerned about is whether or not having better shoes will make a difference in that context. The ones I had were light boots with a sole much like a running shoe. I'm getting actual hiking boots that should have a nice grip. I'll have to see how I manage next time I go and I'll take my trekking poles with me as well. That said I suspect that something happened on that trail. We've had some heavy rains in this area recently so maybe those made it worse, because I find it hard to believe it's rated as medium difficulty. It wasn't particularly hard to travel but I was seriously risking a fall a few times and it wouldn't have been pretty. It's a narrow path on a slope with nothing to hold on to by the side, lots of gravel and small rocks. I had to look for the bigger rocks to make my way up but finding stable points was way too difficult. I really wish we had that nice flat woodland like in the UK here
that sounds like alotta fun ifind uk trails so boring
definetly get some good boots for that tho
maybe some gloves so you can go 4x4 if you need to
pack light too
Let's trade lives anon. I hate clambering up shitty terrain. I even suffer from mild vertigo. I want the flat woodland experience where I sit near the lake and watch the deer and bunnies frolicking in the green while I sip on a cup of tea
Why would anyone want to trade lives with a pussy-ass gay?
well then u dont want uk either we dont have any forrests or lakes its all just mud here
are there any places on Earth with actual woods? Finland doesn't even exist
canada idk
Yes you fricking moron. Get out of your ant hill sometime or at least look at Google maps.
kino
I actually have the answer to all questions like "does nature cure depression": no, nature doesn't do anything. it's modernity that causes depression. nature only helps in the sense that it implies an absence of modernity. there are many "nature" resorts for families with kids, lots of people, music etc. It's all in "nature" but it feels as oppressive as being in a city.
>there are many "nature" resorts for families with kids, lots of people, music etc. It's all in "nature" but it feels as oppressive as being in a city.
Why the frick would you go to a place like that instead of actually going PrepHole? Man there really is no cure for moronation.
That and Christ.
if your depression comes from lack of social interaction and friends, then no it would make you feel worse. being PrepHole is being alone and enjoying it.
for my part i absolutely hate everything about humanity, civilisation and in general being in crowded places dealing with others. whenever i have to do so at work i always keep a mental image of pic related in my head and repeat to myself "deal with this now for x more days and you will be free again"
the only problem is now that im here i consider sucide instead of going back to work again. thats a very real thing, once you experience the bliss of outdoors life and solitude, there might not be a way back.
>grew up in countryside
>cities and the whole concept of modern wagiecagie life horrifies me on a profound level
it all just feels so wrong i dont want any part of it but i have to 🙁
i wana live in a nice wooden hut in a pretty landscape in a small community mostly self sustaining and just have a simple life this is the way were mwant to live
the frickin amish were right all along
yes it helps me with mine alot
just a walk in some green is all it takes but hiking and camping and some nice views will rly help u
With the rare exception of biochemical imbalance, the majority of depression is attribited to environmental and lifestyle practices that are not condusive to your homeostasis. If youre depressed, you must either change yourself, or change all else that is around you.
Yes, but mostly no.
While PrepHole you will feel better, but getting back into the hellscape that is modern cities will feel even worse. So it kinda only works if youre already living PrepHole
Lots of nice discussion and positivity in this thread. I’m just dropping in one of my favorite poems that I think is relevant here, a sonnet by John Keats:
O Solitude! if I must with thee dwell,
Let it not be among the jumbled heap
Of murky buildings; climb with me the steep,—
Nature’s observatory—whence the dell,
Its flowery slopes, its river’s crystal swell,
May seem a span; let me thy vigils keep
’Mongst boughs pavillion’d, where the deer’s swift leap
Startles the wild bee from the fox-glove bell.
But though I’ll gladly trace these scenes with thee,
Yet the sweet converse of an innocent mind,
Whose words are images of thoughts refin’d,
Is my soul’s pleasure; and it sure must be
Almost the highest bliss of human-kind,
When to thy haunts two kindred spirits flee.
>Is going PrepHole a good cure for depression?
It certainly helps me de-stress and refocus on what truly maters in life.
Read "comfort crisis" by Michael Easter.
Nature cures depression. Struggle cures depression. We severely lack both in current year
Depression come from whatever is your relationship with others.
Going out give you space. No pun intended. It may help, you may briefly forget about your life issues, but it wont solve anything.
>when the post has been up for a full week and not one person has posted the traditional meme associated with this topic
Currently getting PrepHole (4 months in) and been hiking a lot. Also never been this depressed in my life.
Cut out wheat and s_o_y
Start foraging wild edibles
3 > 4 > 2 > 1 in terms of effectiveness.
Finding the right partner will reaffirm that you are likeable and worthwhile as a person, however this is only really feasible if you aren't so fricked up that you self-compromise and ruin any romantic opportunities you get.
Going PrepHole is a good way to get rid of all the noise that society and social media causes, and it'll give you time to think about yourself and what you want, but it's a long game. It takes a long time to work through your issues completely by yourself.
PrepHole is massively overrated for building self-confidence, as all it does is tie your sense of self-worth to how much better you look compared to everyone else, but it's great for giving you a sense of direction and routine. Often depressed people will live with such lack of direction that they forget what day of the week it is, which only worsens the issue.
Combat is an escape, and virtually all of my friends have said that they were morons for going into the military thinking it would fix their issues. Wouldn't recommend this.
women actually made my depression worse
I'm genuinely convinced that looking at asphalt, concrete, ads and modernist art is bad for your health, like breathing asbestos except it comes through the eyes.
Same with Black person music and to a lesser degree any kind of unsolicited music.
no but it will stop you from killing yourself
For how long though?
I have one cup of organic (AKA pesticide free) coffee (boosts testosterone) and a shot of gin (quinine boosts immune system). Tobacco also boosts testosterone and reduces the chances of alzheimers but there are a lot of chemicals put in those products so I wouldn't smoke unless I grew it myself. Goyslop is an addictive substance.
The truth is that nature is never boring to look at. Animals are nice to watch but even just the grass, the texture of bark etc. are always pleasantly random so your eyes and brain never tire. Asphalt, plastic, evenly painted stuff etc. but even the very layout of cities where you have everything at regular intervals is just tiring. Cars look all the same now with the same curves and they're soul grinding to look at. But you could watch a horse all day. The only things you see in a city that break the monotony are generally unpleasant e.g. badly kept vegetation that broke it boundaries at best, ads, roadkill, trash, shit, puddles of vomit, or just ugly people at worst. If you see a dead animal in the woods it's just part of nature, roadkill is fricking depressing. There's a reason why people find overgrown post-apocalyptic media soothing. Small medieval villages in Europe are a mess in term of urban landscaping but they are pleasant because they are irregular, all the houses have little quirks that make them unique. I walk in one of these places once and I immediately have a mental map because my brain actually gives a shit but I easily get lost in my hometown if I get somewhere unfamiliar. I hate public parks the worst because everything is cut to size by the same robots who design cities. These people who plan this shit out, who are they? Are they even human? How can you design living spaces like this? How do people endure this shit? It's like a big prison with no gates.
I think I go PrepHole because I want to die in an accident. Sometimes I think about moving somewhere in northern Europe but as soon as I even look at the job market I feel instantly drained. My mind just goes blank. Even if I had any valuable skills I am so alienated and I have so little to share with anyone that I'll never get hired short term or long term. I'm not even moronic or autistic, just a really bitter idiot who's lost direction so I have no excuse. I might end up homeless all of a sudden, my savings are drained and it's not like I can camp in the woods in Europe. I don't want anything society offers to people who are in it. I think I'm just going places wishing that something happens to me. I can't do it myself because I have a couple responsibilities but I'm getting so tired. I just can't stop thinking about it.
I feel your pain anon. Just trying to hang on until my parents kick the bucket.
I'm doing it for my cat as stupid as it sounds. If I died she'd end up euthanized or abandoned somewhere since nobody in my family would keep her.
Where are you now?
>northern Europe
Go to Sweden, they have Allemansrätten where you can pretty much camp anywhere since there's so much abundant land that no one occupies.
>Is going PrepHole a good cure for depression?
Depends on what you mean.
If you think depression is "omg I'm so sad right now" then yes, taking a walk and being inna woods or inna fell will help you a huge amount.
If you mean clinical depression, as in your brain is miswired and misfiring and you are unable to find the will to get enough energy to just get out of your bed this week, then no, going PrepHole won't be enough. You'll need some professional help.
>clinical depression, as in your brain is miswired and misfiring
people who made this up are penning gender dysphoria out of the big book of mental illnesses. those brains aren't misfiring but mine is if I feel like killing myself when I'm trapped in a life filled with hollow, ugly and grating shit?
clinical depression doesn't exist, it's just a natural reaction to living a life unfit for human beings. Of course people will adapt in time, I can't.
I was thinking of moving to Sweden or Finland but finding work seems difficult for people with degrees. I like Poland too but again, no marketable skills except knowing English well. I was in a rut for a long time so I'm practically dead weight by now. I just think there are too many people and I can't compete with someone who actually enjoyed life and thought about progressing and getting things done while I was putting all my efforts into just not offing myself. The jab making me half deaf was the cherry on top. I'm drained.
Pretty flowers need the sun,
it's the same for everyone...