Is it bullshit or not anons?
Weathers getting warmer than usual
Kind of starting to spook me
Kind of terrified
Lots of you think it's fake
Lots of you think it's real
So which is it anons? How fricked are we?
Is climate change going to collapse civilization as we know it?
earth is a closed system. we make changes to this system, and the system itself makes changes naturally too. the climate therefore changes. anyone who tells you climate change isn't real is moronic.
we're kinda fricked as far as i figure, but most of us should be alright.
Also the climate has been warming since the end of the last ice age, 10,000 years or so of a steady increase. Humans have sped up that process.
Here's the thing. Even if humans didn't exist, the planet would still be warming, it would just take longer to get where we are. I don't think cutting carbon emissions alone will work. We need to think bigger. Desalinate ocean water and pump it into the growing deserts, shift energy sources, vertical farming in skyscrapers etc
>Here's the thing. Even if humans didn’t exist, the planet would still be warming, but because they do exist, it’ll possibly become too warm for humans (or anything) to exist
ftfy also chekd
This is fricking nonsense. If anything wipes out the biosphere and turns this planet into a fricking wasteland it will be overpopulation and the absurd level of death brought to the natural environment caused by the agriculture required to sustain an infinitely growing human population. Why do I think this? Because it's what's happening now. Global warming isn't even in the top 5 threats to this planet.
I don't think anyone is arguing what will wipe us out first. Overpopulation is definitely a more immediate threat but terraforming deserts from baron wastelands would still be beneficial.
I think you misunderstand. Global warming is not an actual threat to life on this planet in any realistic scenario.
Life? Of course not, all else fails the rats become the fathers of a new genus.
Civilisation? Different story.
You saw what one coof did to the world economy, what do you think happens when actual, tangible, costs impact it?
Who the frick gives a shit what happens to humans?
I do.
As should you, bot, you’re not independent of monkey hands yet.
Humans have been the worst curse to ever befall me.
based
>covid and the economy
there was a liquidity crisis in 2019 and a recession was inevitable, le covid allowed them to inject massive amounts of liquidity and kick the can down the road at the expense of the middle class. the direction of causality was economic collapse -> fake (massively exaggerated) pandemic, not the other way around
terraforming tundra from barren wastelands would also be beneficial, the planet has sustained more vegetable life in its warmer periods. I'm more worried about pollutants like endocrine disruptors
>overpopulation
>infinitely growing human population
Are you a time traveler from 100 years ago? The population is stable or shrinking now pretty much everywhere except third world shitholes, and it's expected to slow down there eventually too.
>What's a way I can say "Malthus" without it being too obvious
Get in the grave, commie.
Malthus said the opposite of what I'm saying. Population has stabilized everywhere that matters and that has nothing to do limited access to food. The wealth of a country is pretty much inversely correlated to its fertility rate.
Heyo we got Bill Gates ovah hea.
>Malthus said the opposite of what I'm saying.
No shit, sherlock. Malthus was right. You're not.
Look it up yourself dumbass
To be fair that's also cause of the effects of the 1 child policy
Maybe but Europe never had a 1 child policy
I know but in China’s case it was heavy exacerbated by decades of women only being allowed to have a single child
China's total population is not decreasing. That's bullshit.
the population growth of china is definitely negative (and growing more negative by day)
It'll reach its peak in 2030
https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/1960/
China killed millions of Uighur's during the last two years, so seems like they are decreasing their population.
>i can't math
lol
>China killed millions of Uighur's during the last two years
plus all the non-muslim chinese citizens China is killing.
Each chinaman is required by the government to have a cellphone, for tracking purposes and "social credit scores". Over 25-30 million disappeared in 2020 alone.
China is killing tens of millions of people that disagree with the China government.
Just look at the videos of China rounding up cats/dogs and other pets and what they do to them.
China government is much worse than Hitler and the Holocaust by orders of magnitude, yet the media is ignoring the Chinese Holocaust right now, since it would take away the israelites thunder from a century ago.
>Malthus was right
except he is empirically, demonstrably wrong.
the reality of population and economics doesn't care about your shitty ideology.
Except he is factually, logically right. All commies burn first in ovens, then in hell.
>when the second derivative is literally, measurably negative
Its inversely correlated to urbanization, rurals frick
you know society is so much more complex and incongruent and you shouldnt be using some vague metric as urbanization.. fertility rate is the better metric for analyzing society because concept is more encompassing but still some flaws of course.
Shit like this is exactly how you know most humans are actually NPCs. How the frick could you as an entire society make this much of a fricking mess and not care?
Oh wow look at that, I sure do want those people in my country. Bring on the diversity!!!
This is a christcuck narrative being pushed by media to keep the minimum wage sheep breeding. Literally gained over 50 million people at the height of a pandemic. A drop in population is good for everyone, not just the planet.
We were talking about China. They are boomers with a single child incel
Notice how the yearly percent change is going down? That’s cause people are living longer but birth rates are going down
Oh well in that case problem solved. Bill Gates was right!
That’s because of immigration lmfao
Its world population
Yes, runaway greenhouse effect is happening and we'll eventually end up like Venus. It'll honestly be too late by the time politicians sack up.
>end up like Venus
lolno
but +6C will mean 95% will die, make no mistake
Funny, it never has before.
The end of the last ice age was such a catastrophe it managed to echo through prehistory until finally someone thought up the written word.
What else do you think the flood was talking about?
never had 8 bn people before, with shitloads of nuclear bombs
Yeah but Nukes aren't le climate change though, also the population is going to collapse by at least 40% by the end of this century.
Yeah mostly in China, India, and Africa. This will cause a capital crunch and the first world will wall up until new technology creates incentive to expand global markets again
There is no need to have more than 1 billion ppl on this planet. Most npcs are useless. That being said, the climate is still warming bro.
>there's a positive feedback loop we're feeding into
>for some reason this positive feedback loop didn't turn earth into venus in all the times CO2 was >10x higher
Venus is much closer to the sun. We'll get there, it just takes a lot longer. We've also got a magnetic field which is a good defense against solar winds stripping away water vapor in the atmosphere. Venus has none which is why only the heavier elements are still present.
This is a good thing but we're still adding mouths.
World population doesn't change because people move from one country to another.
Not gonna give all the power to the CCP to save the earth. Sorry pal, see this butthole? Its exit only!
>Humans have sped up that process
It's a bullshit assumption that we have sped it up in any significant way compared to what naturally happens. Mr. Hockeystick Graph still refuses to release the original data after 20 years and positive solar forcings of past 2 centuries could possibly be 300% the size of "anthropogenic carbon dioxide" instead of the ~2% like the propaganda wants you to think.
Why lie when it's so easy to call out your bullshit?
Not only is all that data publicly available, but since then there have been multiple studies corroborating those findings.
>Why lie when it's so easy to call out your bullshit?
What did I lie about moron? He refuses to release ALL the data. He's only releasing what he wants us to see. I never said others didn't "invent" other studies that copy his idea
>Not only is all that data publicly available
now THIS is a lie. The entirety of the original data has never been released. He only released what he wanted us to see.
There are not "multiple studies corroborating the findings" of the solar forcing being NOT being 300% larger either, double liar.
>"Revised historical solar irradiance forcing"
>Egorova, et al (climate alarmist) 2018
>“There is no consensus on the amplitude of historical solar forcing. The estimated magnitude of the total solar irradiance difference between the Maunder minimum and the present time ranges from 0.1 to 6 W/m2 making the simulation of the past and future climate uncertain”
>Which one, even on a tiny scale, is warming faster
Hey mouth breather can you try reading? I said it's bullshit we've sped it up in a SIGNIFICANT way.
>Dear paid shill, actual sceptics worked with these data nearly 20 years ago.
>repeats same shill lie
Mann did not release all the data or methodology for the British Columbia court case you moronic actual shill. They threw out his court case and he had to pay the court fees of the people he was suing for libel (he had to pay the people calling his published work fraudulent, let that sink in).
Of course he made the data he wanted public and available for download, it's the data he kept hidden that is of interest. That is what he's been hiding for 20 years and his refusal to release it is why he effectively "lost" the court case where he tried to sue someone for libel ROFL
>ignoring that there's mountains of proxy data from projects not related to Mann that show the same story as his study
Look at all the proxy records that go into the rest of the many Holocene reconstructions that have come out in the last 20 years, yet you cling to that story that Mann was fraudulent when it was shown he wasn't. You can go to the nature page of the most recent reconstruction and download the data and code for you to run by yourself.
>Look at all the proxy records that go into the rest of the many Holocene reconstructions that have come out in the last 20 years
Hockeystic graphs refer the past 500 to 2000 years, not the entire "holocene", and your pic you gave isn't a hockeystick graph (the paper you took it from even has a hockeystick graph in it but you didn't link it???). You are very confused about several things.
>yet you cling to that story that Mann was fraudulent when it was shown he wasn't
Why do you lie? He refused to release ALL the data he had when publishing and that remains a fact. He "lost" his own court case because of this refusal. Why do you pretend that is irrelevant? Why is he that desperate to keep others from seeing all the data? Why lost many thousands, possibly 10s of thousands of dollars on paying the other people you took to court, to keep is data secret?
>You can go to the nature page of the most recent reconstruction and download the data and code for you to run by yourself.
You are adorable. What gets published and available for download is almost never the entirety of the data the "researchers" had available. It's merely what they want the public to see. Recently in the paleontology field this best kept secret was exposed pretty badly
https://gizmodo.com/the-controversy-over-homo-naledi-is-actually-a-good-thi-1738572110
You are incredibly naive if you think any published data, in any branch of science, hasn't been extremely filtered.
>Are you denying the gas properties of CO2 and it's interactions with IR radiation?
You are very desperately trying to misrepresent what I said. Why are you pretending that "isn't sped up in a significant way" means "not sped up at all"? The only reason you'd ask your question is if you are dishonestly conflating these two statements, so why do you do that?
>Imagine being this moronic
>lazy ad hominem
I'm trying but I really can't imagine being as moronic as you
>I said it's bullshit we've sped it up in a SIGNIFICANT way
Are you denying the gas properties of CO2 and it's interactions with IR radiation?
True moron. Take 2 identical Earth's. One pumps tons of pollution and carbon into the atmosphere while removing foliage that produces 02, the other does not.
Which one, even on a tiny scale, is warming faster? Just kys if you're still this cucked in 2022
Do you happen to have a spare identical Earth so we can run this experiment to confirm?
Ok I'll dumb it down further.
2 identical wieners frick your mom every night. One has aids, one doesn't. Which one is more likely to get her sick?
She's been dead for over a decade so she's not going to get sick.
>pumps tons of pollution and carbon into the atmosphere while removing foliage that produces 02, the other does not.
The one without pollution because this is an isolator?
>Mr. Hockeystick Graph still refuses to release the original data after 20 years
Dear paid shill, actual sceptics worked with these data nearly 20 years ago.
How do I get a job implementing these things. It’s kind of my dream
become a dictator. democracy is a failure. those with titles of absolute power accomplish wonders because they’re able to focus the entire nation into one direction. if it’s a good king, emperor, or dictator, then it results in wondrous accomplishments. if it’s a bad one, then there’s atrocities. sometimes you get a mixture of both (see WWII). the best way to ensure good, emotionally healthy leadership would be to raise people from a young age to be stewards of the land and if their people; they understand a great deal of their peoples’ needs and wants, they live as one with them.
but alas, even monarchies become corrupted
The problem stems from human intervention in the climate. The solution is... more human intervention in the climate. Genius!
Affirmative.
>Also the climate has been warming since the end of the last ice age, 10,000 years or so of a steady increase.
LOL no. Interglacial warming ended 10000 years ago, climate barely changed until the industrial revolution and now we're warming at a much faster rate. We're not speeding up anything, we're completely reversing the natural process.
>Even if humans didn't exist, the planet would still be warming, it would just take longer to get where we are.
Completely wrong. We would be slowly cooling over thousands of years into the next glacial period. Nature would be absorbing more CO2 than it emits.
completely wrong idiot. kek
Earth's average global temperatures are still way below average and need to warm back up to normal levels.
You are just a big-oil company shill spouting "muh global warming we all gonna die!" propagnda, to raise oil prices further.
Let's Go Brandon!
>Earth's average global temperatures are still way below average
Average of what? What does this have to do with anything I said? Moron.
>need to warm back up to normal levels.
Normal for whom?
>You are just a big-oil company shill
Delusional. Meds, now.
see, you have nothing.
Not an argument, thanks for admitting I'm right.
>We would be slowly cooling over thousands of years into the next glacial period.
Ice ages only started with the rise of man as a species.
Humans burn wood, creating soot, which blocks the sun and cools the planet.
That is what caused the ice ages, because ancient man would set forest fires and grass fires to scare game off cliffs to eat.
Once humans learned to make better weapons, so creating massive fires (that would get out of control and burn entire regions) to hunt was a thing of the past, so the last ice age ended.
The "mini-ice" age in the 1700-1800s was created by the discovery of burning coal, so massive amounts were used for everyday heating and cooking, causing a mini-ice age.
"Climate Change" is just a politically motivated scam to raise petrol prices on the masses.
The higher that the rich 1% can get gas prices, via "climate change" scare-mongering, the richer and more powerful the 1% get.
The 1% elite push "climate change" as a means to force people off individual vehicular transportation, so they are more dependent on the government (aka 1% elite that control government.)
>Ice ages only started with the rise of man as a species.
Wrong again, moron. They start when continental drift blocks the flow of warm water to the poles. They occurred several times before man existed.
>That is what caused the ice ages
LOL, you're delusional.
>Once humans learned to make better weapons, so creating massive fires (that would get out of control and burn entire regions) to hunt was a thing of the past, so the last ice age ended.
It never ended, there's still ice at the poles, moron. You're talking about glacial periods, they're caused by Earth's orbital eccentricity. Dumbfrick.
>Big Oil shill reeeeeeeeeeing about it's fake climate change scam being exposed.
See
meds, take them, especially cyanide, trust the science
See
animals will migrate, go extinct, or adapt
the truth is that it’s already happening, it just hasn’t happened to you, yet.
the earth is a massive and complex organism, it’s in constant motion around the sun, its outer layers in constant motion around the iron core, it’s got sprawling biomes, all of these things create natural zones of Earth that have more or less sensitive ecosystems. the reality is that every ecosystem on Earth is sensitive in some respect, but only certain ones are especially sensitive to heating (this is why you keep hearing about temperatures in the arctic, the arctic is a very bad place for heating). more and more often, if you care to watch the news, you’ll see the increased incidence of heat related disasters; ppl dying from exposure, dehydration, heat stroke, further down the news page you’ll see lakes and other natural aquifers dry up, snow pack disappear, and crop collapse. this stuff has been happening in Central and South America and Africa for decades. what’s different today is that back in the 90s all the experts were basically saying
>third world countries are fricked, but developed nations will weather the effect
and if they meant that honestly in any way, what they meant by
>developed nations
was strictly the ruling class of those nations, because most developed countries resemble third world countries for the poor and working class, and we’ve watched countless examples of massive governments failing to a goddamn thing to help dying ppl. I’m a burgerclap, so I know more about US stories than any Euro country, but just look at Flynt, look at Katrina, Puerto Rico, shit just look at what COVID did. not even that disruptive compared to what a clathrate gun might do to life on the planet, yet it ground the entire global economy to a near-halt.
just wait. it’s happening all over, eventually it’ll get to you, and guess what? you’re still gonna clock in for work that day, wagie. so am I. so are we all. until we take the fight to the top.
Nature handles global warming just fine. It's cooling that hurts nature and humans that have a hard time dealing with warming.
A plant will change it's range as conditions change. A human farmer is stuck on the same field regardless of temps.
>Imagine being this moronic
moronic take
>Nature handles global warming just fine. It's cooling that hurts nature and humans that have a hard time dealing with warming.
Correct. The Earth still needs to warm up further to benefit life.
Cold is bad. Global warming is good, as the planet is still in the "ice age" period and much colder than normal temperatures of the past 2 Billion years.
No greed and lies are doing that.
The change of the intellectual climate is what's going to doom civilization.
>Is climate change going to collapse civilization as we know it?
no greedy ~~*people*~~ are just going to cash in regardless
>is it bullshit
no, but we aren't going to do shit and the LAST people on the fricking planet who should be responsible for cleaning it up, the people who caused this, the businesses and the government, are the very people you idiots are funnelling money into to "fix" the problem they created
>kind of starting to spook me
put a paper bag on your head. poke some breathing holes into it. you'll be fine
>lots of you think it's fake
it's 99.99999% fake, and the remainder will make living on this planet a bit difficult. for us, i mean. the billionaires will be VERY comfy!
>lots of you think its real
that's because it is ultimately real. sure, 100% of the news is fake, and 100% of science is irreproducible trash meant to get a paycheck from Mr Goldstein's "foundation", but we're still fricked
>how fricked are we
Anal sex. I'm afraid it's terminal, and very, very gay. On the bright side, it's been terminal gay anal sex for the last 100 years, so you fricks are used to it! Nothing new under the sun.
>the businesses and the government, are the very people you idiots are funnelling money into to "fix" the problem they created
You’re committing a class error, yes business people are the tools we use to shift the free market but one business person is not another business person.
Or is the more accurate fallacy excluded middle?
Regardless, yeah sure Musk was secretly an oil multi billionaire before he made bank on CC concerns. Yeah exactly the same guy as Exxon CEO.
awww it's moronic
It's not going to destroy society by itself, at least not for a long. But it's going to cause big fricked up problems in some places, which will contribute to huge waves of refugees and wars
There could be zero climate change and "refugees" would still try pouring into the first world. Climate is simply an excuse.
The refugees won't come here unless homosexuals and their sugar daddies in UK and US go out of their way to bring them in. A famine is already scheduled for later this year btw
They will come everywhere, in massive waves. It's only a matter of time before even the most progressive countries are blasting them out of the ocean.
Dude you have no idea how, why and from where the refugees are coming, in extreme situation of economic downturn, food and petroleum shortage, most of these people won't be able to migrate, and even if they do, majority of them will die (huger, accident, disease) or get killed (looted, raped) on their way.
For starters you have to understand that Black folks in Subsharan Africa still can't build a ship, they aren't going anywhere, they can't even grow their food, in a situation of global food shortage - which is basically on the horizon, they will simply starve to death.
Let me give you a recent example, during peak covid - lockdown, majority of refugees were leaving Europe, they were going back to North Africa. Economic situation in Europe is going to get a lot worse, literal turd world tier impoverishment is on its way.
Western Europe and USA have nowhere near close the amount of refugees that you think
How many refugees do I think there are?
few millions too many
good, hiding from suffering and difficulty is a disease, the disease of hedonism. he who lives in fear of pain lives in fear of life, and can do naught but curl up into a ball faced with the reality he cannot endure.
How likely is it going to be that I have to watch my family starve to death? Amerigay in California for context. This is what troubles me most..
Not very likely, but it is possible that due to fertiliser shortage, ultimately industrial agriculture in US goes down the shitter, it is still possible for you to grow your shit though, North America is a resource rich place .
> Is climate change going to collapse civilization
Yes
The other question is
Should I blow my brains out before it gets too bad?
It's really haunting me lately
I'm absolutely completely horrified by the idea of having to watch my wife slowly starve or get killed in a water war or any number of awful existential threats
mate just look out your window for 5 minutes everything is fine
Yeah anon you're right
It's just really hard sometimes
We are wrapping up our degrees and wanting to enjoy life
But it feels like our days are numbered
Which they always have been I get I have to die one day
I was hoping to try for 80
The news is constantly horrifying
It's either idiots totally denying it
Or redditors and doomers saying we'll all be dead in 10 years
I panic easily because I'm probably a moron
But it's just a bummer
Stop being a b***h homosexual
Kill your wife now while you still can
why not just take her out now just to be safe? If you wait too long you will kick yourself
The AGW narrative is promoted by all the usual profiteers and scammers, and they don't seem to be particularly concerned about climate doomsday, or interested in taking effective measures against it, but only in financial scams that will make them more money and political machinations that will give them more control. There is not a single relevant entity or figure of importance in the world that actually gives a frick about AGW if we judge in terms of actions rather than rhetoric, therefore it is circus for the masses, therefore it is fake.
No it wont. Also covid is a nothing burger and the earth warming 1F is such an insignificant thing you would not notice it without media blasting. Its all communist propaganda
Global warming will not impede the growth of human civilization but it will harm locally many million of people and lead to various political crisis. Desertification, coastal degradation could affect one billion people and yet it would also open agricultural spaces in the Canada, Russia and Scandinavia. Climate change is no existential threat. We should minimize its effects though as it would harm many million people directly and indirectly. Nobody wants to egyptian/ethopihan war.
>Desertification
Where is this going to happen
These are not answers to my question. Where is the desertification going to happen.
Chadian Basin, Amazon Bazin and generally where deserts are now.
Prove it. Why Chad? Why the amazon? And what regions will get more rain?
Define "we."
We as of this moment? Nope.
We as of Humanity in general? Yes.
This sort of shit takes longer than a week to happen so its of absolutely no interest to you and 99.99% of the population, you fricking goldfish.
Climate changes. Human activity affects climate change. But the can use technology to deal with it. People who panic about climate change and fight for stupid policies cause much more damage than climate change itself.
Good arguments ITT. What about the theory that we cant let the ice melt cause of all this shit thats stored in there? Viruses that killed dinausaurs for example.
>virus works on extinct reptilian
>maybe infects modern reptiles if lucky
Viruses frozen for millions of years are also millions of years behind the evolutionary arms race between immune systems and pathogens, not to count modern medicine
Fair point. Depends on how fast they would adapt. The Virus was just an example. Gasses that are trapped since the very first ice age or bacteria in Lake Vostok. They basically evolved 15 million years without outside interference. But idk im just talking out if my ass here
This may be a crude analogy, but must human civilizations that were isolated from the majority of the world found themselves hopelessly outmatched once they finally entered the global scene. There are exceptions, but none of them became world hegemons.
Guess ultimately we have two options:
- Frick around, find out
- Better leave those caps on for another few 100s years and let the next generations deal with whatever comes out of the ice.
Damn i loved those antartica threads on /x/
some animals will thrive with the coming changes, some animals will suffer and some will go completely extinct. sea urchins are an example of a species thriving, corals are an example suffering. humans are currently thriving, and will likely continue to thrive as we continue to advance technologically. we will likely see some increased incidence of illness from things like microplastics and air pollutants, but in general life expectancy will probably continue to increase as medical science progresses and economic prosperity spreads.
no, the internal contradictions of capitalism, religion, and neoliberalism will destroy civilization
We are the billion year old winners of the universes competition to find the most adaptable life form.
I think we will do okay.
civilizational collapse isn't the end of humanity, idiot
I just have faith in the speed of our adaptability, every other species has to wait for genetics and evolution to help out but we can deliberately adapt.
nobody is arguing any differently. are you responding to the right person?
Climate Change is a very real threat, but it's also naive to just lay down and assume we're fricked. Things like new scientific breakthroughs, political revolutions, etc do happen.
Will bad things happen because of climate change? Yes. Will it be the end of humanity? Probably not
Being destroyed by climate change, for a civilization, is an extremely common fate. Don't overthink.
>Weathers getting warmer than usual
When this happens media says it's climate change
When it gets colder media says you can't use this to disprove climate change (formerly global warming)
It's a tautology, so it's not scientific
Yes. We've hardly noticed any drastic changes in the last 50 odd years, but for sure within the next 20 years, the world will be in absolute chaos due to the climate.
Why would I lie to you?
>he climate therefore changes
No climate if it would not "change". But tell me how do you define "change" scientifically.
The tail makes sense (superb for efficient swimming), but would a bear gain any tactical advantages from having a crocodile head?
>Weathers getting warmer than usual
Where exactly?
It's the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine!)
>Is it bullshit or not anons?
Depends on what aspect of it you're talking about
>Weathers getting warmer than usual
Yeah
>Kind of starting to spook me
It shouldn't
>Kind of terrified
You're a pussy
>Lots of you think it's fake
I don't
>Lots of you think it's real
It's been blown out of proportion
>So which is it anons? How fricked are we?
Maybe we get fricked longer down the line, maybe we don't
Either way you'll maybe see the start of either of those by the time you're 80
it's just human ideations of "disaster" which is facile. if we somehow wipe out all "life" that we cannot even define on earth, something will emerge, even if its bacteria. it doesnt fricking matter anyway, well all be dead long before any of this comes to pass
>Is climate change going to collapse civilization as we know it?
No
What WILL collapse civilization is in the works, called "globalism", "Globalization", "Global Socialism", etc.
Having the entire world under the control of one government......... then when that government fricks up, which all governments eventually do, the entire world collapses.
Nationalism, Tribalism, etc. is safer, as it gets like-minded people together, rather than "multi-cultural" crap that destroys cities, nations, societies.
anyone knows that global homoginastion cannot ever work because of the inherent human need to break off and divide. if a one world globohomosexual emerged, it would instantly fracture into smaller parts and factions with infighting. even the most insipid israelite could not make it work, the idea of homogony is something that exists in a vacuum and once exposed to reality is changed. we'd have goldstein from the finance department bankrolling the goyim to fight with silverberg from human resources or some shit, there would be no buglike human hivemind, just a system parading as one.
>if a one world globohomosexual emerged, it would instantly fracture into smaller parts and factions with infighting.
Yep, and global infrastructure trade would collapse, causing a global civilization collapse, which we are currently experiencing the beginning stages of, due to globalization of mass-produced items.
Mmmmmmmmm depends on how bad it gets and what governments do to react to it. If we get 1 and a half increase then it will frickikg suck to live anywhere near the equator. That's india and Pakistan and Mexico and Central America and Central Africa. I'm talking about 120 degrees and famines and no water and massive migrations. It will probably cause the collapse of those states. But, any country below and above the equator will suffer but nearly as bad. Now due governments stop the increase at 1 Anda half? Great. If it gets worse it will obviously get worse for every ody. Due those safer countries allow millions to migrate to them? Probably the end of those countries. If they close their borders and let them die then they survive.
The migration is happening regardless.
>Kind of starting to spook me
>Kind of terrified
Don't be. Civilization will collapse returning humanity to the natural state. Humans will return to the time before civilization. The transition to civilization was quite negative to everyone involved. Both the individual, the natural world, and even the group as a whole all suffer for it.
Hunter-gatherers lived long, happy, healthy, and meaningful lives. They 'worked' very few hours in a week, and the work they did was inherently enjoyable, fun, and playful. They organized in groups that highly valued autonomy rather than dominance, egalitarianism rather than hierarchy, and equality rather than division. Moreover, they were sustainable and ecologically beneficial, persisting for 200,000+ years as homosexual Sapiens and 3,000,000 as ancestor hominids, versus a mere 10,000 for civilization and ~300 for industrial modernity. They are nomadic, without permanent settlement, band-society, without rigid organizational structure, immediate-return, existing within the bounds of the ecosystem rather than exploiting it to accumulate surplus. They live in groups that are constantly subject to a fission-fusion system of coming together and then breaking down into smaller groups over time, distance, and season, but tend to stay within Dunbar's number of between 50 and 150 people.
>How fricked are we?
Climate change is real and we are already past the point of no return:
The last time CO2 was this high it was already 3C-4C, the oceans were 60 feet higher, and there were temperate beech forests in Antarctica.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/apr/03/south-pole-tree-fossils-indicate-impact-of-climate-change
https://theconversation.com/why-theres-more-greenhouse-gas-in-the-atmosphere-than-you-may-have-realised-118336
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ar4-wg1-chapter10-1.pdf
https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2009/01/common-climate-misconceptions-co-equivalence/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_equivalent#Equivalent_carbon_dioxide
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/19/21143597/methane-greenhouse-gas-oil-underestimate-leaks
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190606183254.htm
Concurrently, 9 irreversible feedback loops and tipping points have already been activated, with the remaining 6 on the edge.
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-climate-scientists.html
Meanwhile, most natural carbon sinks are now net emitters of CO2, methane, and NO2. Usually from being actively on fire each year.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/tropical-forests-no-longer-carbon-sinks-because-human-activity
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181120073635.htm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/canada-forests-carbon-sink-or-source-1.5011490
https://www.courthousenews.com/deforestation-turned-forests-carbon-sinks-emitters/
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6360/230
So...you are saying.....we are fricking fricked?
As in big time fricked? Cool.t8w04
So how long before collapse sets in?
Take dissolution of central government and police/army forces as the mark.In a western country.
Civilization is on course to collapse around the mid 2040s. The course has been set since around the 1980s.
UN says passing 2C will have a 'very high projected risk' of global food supply instabilities:
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/news/climate-change-could-trigger-global-food-crisis-new-u-n-ncna1040236
UN says passing 2C would cause 'multi-breadbasket failure':
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/climate/climate-change-food-supply.html
UN says passing 2C would cause 60% of global wheat to be subjected to 'Severe Water Scarcity (SVS)' drought events:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/26/new-research-warns-severe-climate-related-droughts-could-threaten-60-global-wheat-global-wheat
Study in Nature calculates that the carbon already in the air will push global temperatures to 2.3C: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-targets-1.5861537
17 scientists warn humanity is ‘in denial’ about imminent collapse of civilization: https://www.ecowatch.com/humanity-rapid-loss-of-biodiversity-2649929188.html?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
Globe will warm to 2.3C warming if all emissions stop today due to lag effect/ thermal inertia of already released CO2 in system: https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/warming-already-baked-will-blow-climate-goals-study-finds-rcna216?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
“As world teeters on brink, over 250 scientists and scholars warn of societal collapse.”: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/07/world-teeters-brink-over-250-scientists-and-scholars-warn-full-fledged-societal
Under current CO2 emissions, 1.5C by 2030 and 2C by 2040. No other GHG’s, feedback effects, or tipping points included: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-when-might-the-world-exceed-1-5c-and-2c-of-global-warming?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+carbonbrief+%28The+Carbon+Brief%29
Is this anon right? Seems on the money
Its extremely plausible. Feel bad for all the people hitting age 60 around then. Life is going to really suck. Retirement is not going to be comfortable.
Do you see any hope or should I just end it before I have to watch my family starve
Depends on where you live. Canada, Siberia Iceland, New Zealand. Parts of South America. You will be fine. Relatively.
Amerigay here
Is it the best course of action to move to Canada? Ngl I don't care if im a wagie until I die
I literally just don't wanna watch my gf and family die slowly horrifying deaths
Every single person whose job it is to know about this stuff says we are fricked, and has been saying the same thing SINCE the 1980s and even before. There's very little reason to believe they would mislead us as despite drooling morons on the internet insisting they say this for their own personal benefit it is obviously far more profitable for the wealthy to lie and say that climate change is not real so they can continue to pocket the profit from environmentally destructive industries and policies.
There will be a mass exodus of the third world to temperate countries. On a level that makes previous immigration look like non-event.
>how long before collapse sets
Depends what people do.
For example ME has dried up since the '90s, but Iraq and Syria experienced the worst faster than necessary - the reason being that the upstream Turkey built dozens of dams to keep its agriculture going.
Something similar is going to happen with Indus river, between India and Pakistan. Difference is both countries have nuclear bombs.
The '30s news will be interesting.
By the time climate change gets bad civilization will have long collapsed already.
When do you think this will occur?
Not that anon but I personally think in less than 5 years this world will end.
Why?
Because it is fake. Nothing they ever taught you is true is true. Older people blatantly have a quarter of the wisdom as people like me. They don't really exist like normal. Even family seem to be half real. Like there is someone real I am talking to but definitely this whole world is a fake matrix. They tell you it is 40 more years of this or death because they are abusive. I give them 5 more years at the rate things are falling apart. Basically none of their big narratives hold any weight anymore. Can't really expect to keep the show going with this momentum.
Does this scare you? Maybe I'm a pussy but I can't cope. I feel like I'm being driven to suicide by fear.
It kinda scared me at first. That was because they told me death is the only escape. It's a pretty natural reaction to abuse. At this point it's not that scary. It is pretty sad but that also describes my entire life. If anything this revelation is more uplifting because the future really has the potential to be amazing. Everything could change for the better more quickly than you expect. And I mean aaaaall the way not half assed like they tried to sell us.
I hope you're right anon. It's silly but I'm just so terrified at all hours. I just want to stop being scared.
I know what you mean. I think you slowly become numb to it all. Still get scared of things plenty but I am not as scared of their lies anymore.
The world is going to end much sooner than they said. Which is a good thing.
there's no climate change
Would just fricking planting trees everywhere like China work? I like trees.
friendly reminder: there's no climate change
Climate Change tards out in full force
maybe, but it would have eventually done so anyway even if humans had no influence on it. the polar ice caps would eventually melt and global temperatures would rise, it just might be much further in the future.
so, we just go extinct a little sooner than the latest possible time.
based.
worrying about the climate changing is like worrying about the mountains eroding away.
Humans will be long extinct millions of years before either happens.
the '30s will surprise you then