Is Avdivka really falling, or is this like Bakhmut where it will be “captured” a dozen times?
Is Avdivka really falling, or is this like Bakhmut where it will be captured a dozen times?
Is Avdivka really falling, or is this like Bakhmut where it will be “captured” a dozen times?
>indirectly admitted that they can't PGM rails
ay lmao
>Russians boast about imminent victory for 1247865th time
you tell me
People constantly boast about Ukrainian victory but there isn’t that much so far.
Ukrainians never claimed to take a city 50x times like Russians did with Mariupol, Bakhmut, Pisky, Marinka, etc
>Marinka
Oh damn, they actually captured it at some point, huh. It was 50/50 for like a year and a half at least and I thought it still was, since like you said, they claimed to capture it like 100 times. I wonder how many meatwaves they had to send to finally capture that single neighborhood, kek
1km from the pre-invasion line of control btw
>ha ha we have taken the left side of one road and a shed glory to rusha
>Loses an entire division before even getting to the town
Let them have it and start attacking over open fields again lmao, there's plenty of space for TZD to continue.
>over open fields again lmao
They won't do that. They'll just keep going from one small urban center in the Donezk area to the other and claim every hamlet taken is the next Stalingrad.
>They won't do that
Well they're going to have to to reach the borders of Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk.
>implying they'll go as far as Dnipro
Their current strategy is to take some hamlet, claim it was a great win and pray the West/Ukraine will just get bored and give them what they want. Considering the fricking Poles of all people have already started talking about how Ukraine won't take Crimea back that dumb plan seems to be working.
Honestly, Tony Abbott should have sent the SASR into Ukraine back in 2014.
Undeniably true. Girkin getting off'd by straya c**ts would've been kino.
They have tiers of soldiers. The heaviest hit are convicts (storm-z), mobiks, separtists, which are used as suicide units. Ukraine then boasts about killing 1000 men per day, but these were not real Russian units, but just their zerg spam units. The real trained Russian military hangs back and follows up. For every convict or mobilized killed, is a useless drain on the system. Every time a Ukranian veteran dies, they lose experience and quality. This is what happened in Bakhmut.
Now Russia has closed the gap, and they will now gain near parity of casualties to Ukraine in street to street fighting.
Ukraine posts high numbers of Russian KIA, then loses ground. They think that means they're "winning". The fools. How many Vietamese died in the Vietnam war at the hands of the Americans, and who won the war?
>le vietnam war cope
1/10
The "good" Russian soldiers were killed off two years ago lol.
Vietnam war and this war are not similar at all what are you talking about
>Ukraine then boasts about killing 1000 men per day, but these were not real Russian units
>"the majority of our soldiers are not our real soldiers"
yeah
also Chechnians are noted in drone-drop videos as being mutilated in the Avdivka run-up at this point, which means we reached "the best of the best".
>they will now gain near parity of casualties to Ukraine in street to street fighting.
anon this has never happened.
Wagner losses accelerated when they entered Bakhmut proper because offensive urban actions are harder than crossing now-depleted minefields.
Why can’t Russia do what Israel does?
Israel isn't fighting an enemy with artillery
Because of a very long list of reasons that can be summed up as "The terrorist group Hamas is not the same thing at all to fight as Ukraine's actual army"
And before some zigroid tries to shitpost about that statement, the same is true for Russia defending a city against Ukraine- an army, even a dogshit one made of mobiks, can defend against killdozers simply because they have this crazy shit called "artillery" that Hamas is sorely lacking. Bulldozing an area completely and setting up rat stomping grounds to stop guerillas is very different than having to force an actual army out of a city.
>muh zerg spam
Doesn't matter. Dead ziggers are dead ziggers. Every convict and mopbilized killed is a healthy(ish) young(ish) man forever denied to a russian economy that is already experiencing severe worker shortages. Russia is being bled white.
>Every time a Ukranian veteran dies, they lose experience and quality.
Except they don't, as ukrainian veterans are regularily rotated to the rear and pass on their personal experience into institutional experience.
>This is what happened in Bakhmut.
Bakhmut was an unmitigated disaster for Russia.
>and they will now gain near parity of casualties to Ukraine
They never gained "near parity of casualties" at any point in the war, least of all the street fighting in Bakhmut or Severodonetsk.
>Ukraine posts high numbers of Russian KIA, then loses ground. They think that means they're "winning".
No, that means that they are objectively, mathematically winning, as the current rate of ground lost compared to the rate of russian casualties suffered means that the Ukrainians will in fact exterminate Russias entire male population before the Russians even make it to the borders of the Donbas.
>the Vietnam War
Vietnam was fighting a war of national defense and liberation. Just like Ukraine is now.
>Bakhmut was an unmitigated disaster for Russia.
If anything it was a disaster for Ukraine because trying to hold that place delayed the summer offensive for two months when it could've been launched in the middle of the Russian shell famine and Prigo vs Shoigu/Gerasimov autism.
It was definitely worse for Russia, by a wide margin. Wagner was an actually powerful force before that battle, and they were effectively kneecapped by the end, even without turning traitor. And Wagner was a majority, but not a vast majority, of the 70,000+ KIA russia suffered in that battle - plenty of regular units were wiped out to capture the husk of a city.
As for not springing the offensive at the opportune moment, I think you're right, but I think it also resolved itself way quicker than expected. The russians didn't even redeploy forces except those around Vuhledar, which wouldn't be a good axis for Ukraine to advance on. But if Priggy had decided to fortify Rostov-on-Don or if Surovikin didn't back out at the last second, then even with a slow Ukrainian reaction this war would be over by now as the civil war would rage inside russia
>The russians didn't even redeploy forces
They pulled in naval infantry from up in the north
> Yeah you're killing a huge portion of our productive male population and destroying fricktons of material, but we're winning and strong because...we just fricking are ok?
Honestly as a muttmerican, I am enjoying watch Russia grind itself down over another shit hole country.
Daily reminder that to this day the Ukrainian government has never acknowledged the fall of Bakhmut. And /k/eddit remained in full denial for weeks after it had fallen.
>Bakhmut
Okay, so now Ukraine have lost right? That's what you lot said would happen
Daily reminder to kys zigger
Surely Russia must've pushed beyond it and not lost ground around it, right?
I don’t know but that’s irrelevant to the topic of Russia taking Bakhmut
So they took it just to sit there? Pathetic
So your answer to my question is no? Lol. Lmao even.
Who can forget the glorious battle of Battle of Bakhmut that took almost twice as long as Stalingrad and resulted in zero strategic significance.
A thousand more Bakhmuts remain
Daily reminder that to this day the Russian government has never acknowledged the sinking of Moscow. And /chug/gers remained in full denial for weeks after it had sunk.
Moskva is fine, General Sokolov personally is on board it.
I am demoralized. Now all good Americanskis must call on czar Biden to cease arming the Nazi israeli Banderite regime and aid mighty Puccian bear in 2 week, 713 day special needs operation in tiny neighbor with 1/7 the population and no nukes or navy.
What week was that?
>we took 1 shed and half of a portion of 1 road Puccia stronk URAAAAAA
>3 day special military operation day 713
>We captured three shacks and are but a fortnight away from taking the rest of the hyper dimensonal mega fortress Avdicka
Oh, a Catastrophe edit. I thought I recognized the picture.
>day 713 of our 3 day invasion of Ukraine
>we sent another 500 Convicts and mobiks into machine gun fire to locate where Ukranian positions were
>We then sent a continent of 500 men in a series of armored column of BMP's and T-72's to confront them
>all were destroyed by ATGM, FPV drones, and artillery
>We gained 2 meters over last day
>All is going well. Glory to Russia
>Tomorrow will be more of the same
>evacuation
Lmao this story again?
We all know that Zelensky and Syrski will once again override Zaluzhnyi and send whatever mobile reserves they have left into holding the city, lose it anyway and then wonder why they lack forces during their next offensive.
Are you afraid?
Yes in fact I am. I'm afraid this'll turn into another waste of Ukrainian manpower and reserves in a battle for an irrelevant town Russia will take anyway which'll sap resources Ukraine will need during the spring/summer campaign.
>Ukrainian manpower and reserves
Massacring ziggers 10:1 is not and will never be a "waste". Russian resources are depleted far worse by actions like this.
>Russian resources are depleted
As we've seen last year this shit doesn't work any more ever since Russia mobilized. Depleting them in urban battles worked in 2022 because they were relying on contractors and mercenaries. Every battle left bigger gaps in their front which Ukraine could exploit to cause things like the Kharkiv collapse. Ever since they mobilized they can easily fill such gaps and maintain a strong defensive line.
Look at 2023:
They lost over 70k men taking Bakhmut. When the summer offensive started rolling they still had enough men to hold the entire line and suffer 1:1 casualties despite being the defender. And with all these casualties suffered in 2023 they still have enough men to attack Avdiivka and shrug off disastrous losses like
without so much as a second thought.
>And with all these casualties suffered in 2023 they still have enough men to attack Avdiivka
They'd been stockpiling that shit for a year
what i don't understand is why people keep ignoring the fact that wagner is GONE indirectly because of bahkmut.
unless they have another group of 70.000 mercenaries to sacrifice at the altar, this time it's going to hit the army's troop numbers directly.
Wagner returned to Moscow under its own power 🙂
>Wagner
Who? Never heard of them.
>unless they have another group of 70.000 mercenaries to sacrifice at the altar, this time it's going to hit the army's troop numbers directly.
They created Storm-Z to do just that and by all accounts they seem to be a few hundred thousand missing Russian convicts, so we can assume they're involved in Ukraine now. Some people posted some charts. This supply is not limitless, but they can burn through several hundred thousand cannon fodder just fine.
I wouldn't be surprisef if we'll see another mutiny once the battle of avdiivka has concluded. Prigozhin proved without a doubt that once a play is made for the king, other parties will just do nothing.
There are probably a lot of disgruntled officers below gerasimov but not low enough to be irrelevant.
Putin fears a poweful military and he is correct in thinking so. The oligarchs and siloviki can be bribed or intimidated. A war weary officer and his lads can cause serious trouble.
And why should we assume they have stopped stockpiling now?
We can't, but their stockpiles are finite. That's why MTLBs have replaced BMPs as their main troop transports.
All me, btw.
>override zaluhzni
didn't happen
>send whatever mobile reserves they have left into holding the city
they didn't, russia has done this on multiple occasions though
>lose it anyway and then wonder why they lack forces during their next offensive
they didn't lack forces, they lacked equipment, and they were smart to call it off and not destroy their dedicated offensive troops like russia does every time their offensives start incurring heavy losses.
>they were smart to call it off and not destroy their dedicated offensive troops
Yeah which is why they were at it until October, 90% of their Leopards are out of action and they lost 1/3 of all Bradleys they got supplied. Clearly they called it off real soon.
>90% of their leopards are out of action
source?
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/ausland/leopard-panzer-defekt-rheinmetall-ukraine-krieg-russland-100.html
Germany literally doesn't have the spare parts to fix damaged or broken Leopards.
Do your own homework, wtard. And lurk for a decade so you won't be such a tourist, who doesn't even know that suriyakmaps has been shilling for years.
I get all my info about military matters from /k/. Idk or care who any of these e-celeb homosexuals are and I’m tired of morons acting like I should.
They are having to limit themselves to a few shells per day. Zigzogs are advancing because more bodies than bullets (shells) is a valid strategy at the moment.
>ukraine is literally no shells department
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1755148944118538748
republicans really fricked the ukies over lol
Cool story bro
Avdiivka has been in an untenable position for about a year. It's in a salient that allows Russia to attack it from multiple angles, and is difficult to reinforce. It's held as long as it has because the Ukrainians were heavily dug in, since Avdiivka has seen fighting since the beginning of the Donbas War. I don't think the Ukrainians will be able to hold it for much longer. The Russians have breached Ukrainian lines in the southern and northern sections of the city. The 110th Mechanized Brigade which holds the city is nearing exhaustion, and is running into supply issues. They can bleed the Russians for awhile yet, but without reinforcement, they won't be able to hold or counterattack. Reinforcing this position is also strategically unsound. It would be better to fall back to prepared lines around Orlivka, which would be a more favorable line of defense. The Ukrainian general staff should learn from the battle of Bakhmut, and not turn this into a mutual meatgrinder. It's not worth it.
it will fall, they are quite literally running out of ammo