Is artillery as fun of a job as it seems? >fire big guns all day. Seems like it would be up most people's ally.

Is artillery as fun of a job as it seems?
>fire big guns all day
Seems like it would be up most people's ally.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget that those concussive blasts lead to CTE, concussions, and soft tissue damage

      t. PhD student researching for the VA

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this, plus you'll get combat ribbons and get to legit tell people you are a combat veteran without actually having been in any real danger (except from your coworkers)

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends entirely on how many times you have to shoot and scoot per day. The novelty of firing a big gun wears out fast after you realize how much time and effort you'll spend on setting up the gun in contrast to how much time is spent actually firing the gun.

    t. tykimies

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about SPARTs? Are they as much of a hassle?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WHAAAAAAT!?
        "HOST PEOPLES RALLY!?"

        SPATS AND TASSLES!? THE FRICK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Schizophrenia

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            newer than new

            WHAAAAAAT!?
            "HOST PEOPLES RALLY!?"

            SPATS AND TASSLES!? THE FRICK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?

            lol

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SISSY FRENIA? WHOS THAT AND WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU SAYING

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't comment on those, my military service was spent handling a field howitzer. I imagine they're much nicer for the crew, at least from the perspective of how physically tiring it gets.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also I have to say that the importance of this

      >The Marines conducted a study of one unit, Fox Battery, 2nd Battalion 10th Marines, to see the impacts of high artillery blasts on their health. The report, released in 2019, said that the Marines were being hurt by the shockwaves from their howitzers. More than half of the battery was diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injuries. The Marines Corps did not answer New York Times’ questions about who ordered the study. One Army blast researcher the paper spoke to said that repeated exposure to such blasts can scar brain tissue and hurt neural connections.

      can not be overstated. Your health will never ever be worth sacrificing, especially your brain's health. For me military service was only 6 months and getting to fire the gun itself wasn't that many times (at max maybe 100 times? and at 122mm caliber), but for longer and more intense periods of time I'd definitely be very worried.

      Also pro tip:
      >keep yours eyes closed during night firing to not get flashbanged
      >keep your mouth always closed when firing and preferably look the other way because otherwise dust and other small shit will enter your mouth without your consent

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No.

        Was arty for 10 years before switching to SIGINT. Even in heavy units (270/m109) the work is physically difficult while also being boring as frick. Your coworkers are also moronic. Your leadership is either also moronic or extremely bitter from dealing with morons constanly You go to the field a lot, get run ragged doing fire missions or "fire missions," shit breaks constantly. All you do is maintain equipment, clean, and train the same being shit over and over. It was good for like three months.

        Now that I'm Intel I sit in a comfy SCIF with air conditioning and only have to deal with my fellow autists

        I can't comment on those, my military service was spent handling a field howitzer. I imagine they're much nicer for the crew, at least from the perspective of how physically tiring it gets.

        What about missle artillery? Is it just as debilitating?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, you don't have to hump 155s and you ride in a truck or track. So you're doing a lot of vehicle maintenance. Additionally a lot of MLRS and HIMARS units "have something to prove" so they do stupid ass PT that serves no purpose but to break you.

          Optempo is the same garbage and the bored/cleaning/sucking in the field rotation is the same.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >For me military service was only 6 months and getting to fire the gun itself wasn't that many times (at max maybe 100 times? and at 122mm caliber), but for longer and more intense periods of time I'd definitely be very worried.
        The Marines in that NYT report were firing over a thousand 155mm rounds per gun in just 2 months. No wonder they came back seeing ghosts and struggling to remember their own names.
        https://web.archive.org/web/20231106005853/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/us-army-marines-artillery-isis-pentagon.html

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      However, if you are a getaway driver and like trucks and offroading....

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It just makes shooting the gun more delicious. T. Also a tykkimies

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullshit unless you're in a third world army without self propelled Howitzers. Cleaning and maintenance is far worse.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm Finnish, our gun was 122H63 (basically D-30). I counted maintenance to be part of ''setting up the gun'', in general you have to do lots of things before the gun will be able to fire which gets annoying.

        It gets exponentially annoying when you have to do it during winter with massive amounts of snow everywhere and in permanent darkness (so that the truckload of equipment you have to carry around gets much harder to keep track of).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >never served

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if it was drone operated?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't sound fun at all being an artilleryman with the constant ear-bursting noise, but I suppose it's better than infantry

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know they get earplugs, right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also actual frontline units, ie. get hit with enemy direct explosives on the regular.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No everyone is issued ear plugs now whoch is why hearing loss is no longer part of disability

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, they're issued ear pro. It just doesn't work.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              average settlement was $10-20k

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                really I thought it was gonna be like 4$ per person so i never bothered to sign up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                same, I never finished the paperwork, but my buddy got told he's getting $23k

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thats what i said, and what you posted required them to sue the govt, they werent able to judt get disability rating from the annual hearing tests and use that

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Marines conducted a study of one unit, Fox Battery, 2nd Battalion 10th Marines, to see the impacts of high artillery blasts on their health. The report, released in 2019, said that the Marines were being hurt by the shockwaves from their howitzers. More than half of the battery was diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injuries. The Marines Corps did not answer New York Times’ questions about who ordered the study. One Army blast researcher the paper spoke to said that repeated exposure to such blasts can scar brain tissue and hurt neural connections.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You see, that's why the Marines are the best artillery. They have inferior brains to begin with, so a 20% loss of neural connections is a net-positive when compared to smarter branches who lose the same percentage of their greater brains.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Makes you wonder if they have perma diarrhea as well

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that would probably be from the MREs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would SPGs have this same problem?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Would SPGs have this same problem?
        I wouldn't worry about it, the Simon Property Group Inc rarely suffers concussion damage from sustained use of heavy artillery even at the worst of times

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i doubt it. how would they even diagnose "traumatic brain injuries"? i doubt youll see anything special on brain mris. the brain is behind the skull and sits in in a cushion bath of cerebrospinal fluid. if the blast doesnt move your head i highly doubt it can cause damage, if anything i would suspect damage to ear-nose-throat area, not in the brain.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        holy shit how fricking stupid are you
        You do not even know what a TBI is, and here are you spouting dumb shit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its not a common way to get a traumatic brain injury. traumatic brain injuries are mostly impacts, objects hiting the head. vibration and shaking can also cause harm to the brain but an artillery blast... not exactly common, ive never heard of a soldier being brought to the clinic and the paramedic saying "omg he just shot 1000rounds of artillery" and the doc saying "yeah you can clearly see damage here and here" pinpointing it on a brain mri. and a ct would probably show absolutely nothing at all.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just stop dawg, you are gaytarded

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ive never heard of a soldier being brought to the clinic and the paramedic saying "omg he just shot 1000rounds of artillery"

            That's not how it works and you're stupid even by Army standards.

            https://www.vetaffairs.la.gov/shoulder-fired-weapons-can-cause-traumatic-brain-injuries-study-finds/

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also in the tm for field artillery, the .10, near the beginning is a safety section on blast overpressure shouldnt exceed 1000 units in a 24 hr period, the point gain is modified by amt of rounds, charge of rounds, and posir88vtion on gun when shot

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I only lurk but I want to take this special opportunity to call you a moron

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah i know it sounds contrarian, but it makes sense if you work in medicine.

          if you did brain mris of 30 random artillery men vs 30 random not artillery men i doubt you could spot any differences.

          and then how can you say the artillery men have brain damage when you see no damage and their brains look like everybody elses?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if it doesn't move in your head I don't see how it'd cause damage
            Hey I'm no doctor, but I am an engineer and you seem to not understand what a shockwave even is.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah and when im jumping you will see shockwaves going through my brain too, that doesnt mean i get brain damage from jumping.

              most military medical reports of traumatic brain injuries is people experiencing an acceleration of the whole or part of the body due to the shock wave. traumatic brain injury just by the shock wave itself is rare and then the diagnosis is made through the history and based on clinical findings. if youd see anything special on a brain mri they would mention that, but its not mentioned at all, which leads me to assume they didnt really find any specific damage.

              i havent really studied the literature about it though, just a quick glance and some common sense.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The shockwave from jumping up and down is something entirely different from sitting next to 15lbs of nitrocelulose detonating at 60000psi and you know it.
                You work in medicine apparently, tell me what would you think in this scenario? You see a patient and gave him a clean bill of health he leaves your office and fires 30 rounds from a Carl gustov (a weapon with no recoil, it doesn't physically move his head) he steps back into your office with a nosebleed, impaired coordination and speech, and has trouble forming coherent sentences.
                Would you diagnose him with hopscotch or jump rope syndrome?
                >havent really studied the literature about it though
                This seems clear
                >a quick glance and some common sense
                Imbecile.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Could there have been any other experiences besides shooting RPGs in that timeframe? Of course there are, but you don’t mention them because you’ve already convinced yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >100 arty rounds
                >unknown time period
                >unknown proximity to the gun
                The guys in that marine battery fired ~7200 rounds max charge in six months, or 1200 rounds a month or 40 a day, right next to the gun. Of course their brains are scrambled you midwit. There used to be a video of a us sf guy firing a few carl gustav rounds in close succession, then bleeding from the nose, vomiting and passing out. Yeah hes good to go.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron moroning moronicly on top of Mt. Severe cognitive deficiency

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This only proves that CG and full charge howitzer don't cause mild or severe TBI, comparing those results to other papers the effect is lower than mild TBI from an amateur boxing match. Doesn't mean it's completely harmless as CSF changes were detected, the damage could be due to a different mechanism or it's hiding in the statistical noise

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah ok dunning-kruger andy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >one shitty 2011 study

                https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2300/RR2350/RAND_RR2350.pdf

                2020 study

                have a nice day immediately and painfully

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I havent really studied the literature about it though
                Yeah, that's fricking obvious.

                Blast-related mild traumatic brain injury is a well-recognised concept and the mechanism is understood. It's one of the most common injuries seen in OIF/OEF vets.

                No, it's not easily visualised on mri or ct but that's hardly a surprise given the pathophysiology involved and the limitations of current imaging technology. You're like a doctor from the 1950s saying "strokes don't exist because they don't show up on an x-ray of the skull". Just fricking moronic.
                And as it happens, certain types of imaging do appear able to identify evidence of blast-related mTBI. Specifically diffusion tensor imaging may show decreased radial diffusivity, increased fractional anisotropy and an increased axial diffusivity/radial diffusivity ratio.
                But you don't know what any of that means because you're just some brainless frick spouting bullshit online because you're too moronic to know how moronic you really are. Don't chime in with your two cents on topics you know frick all about. Your opinions are fricking worthless and so are you, you piss stain of a human being.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That "diagnosis" was invented by the VA in order to allow people to make insurance claims on things for which there is no physical evidence. Vet has psychological issue, comes in to get checked out — there’s nothing on any scans / tests, he gets a psychiatric treatment. But now insurance can pay for it since there’s a diagnostic code. There’s no MRI or tissue test anywhere that has linked the symptoms with actual brain damage. That’s NOT to say there isn’t a negative psychological impact but it’s false to state that there is physical damage.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's no test you can do on people who are still alive, if you dice up and point a microscope at their brains once they're dead you can tell

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                An inability to identify physical damage =/= an absence of physical damage.
                Was radiation harmless before we started looking at chromosomes?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. If we don't have scientific studies of it, it doesn't exist.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would someone need psychiatric treatment from being nowhere near the fighting, and only near a big friendly piece of equipment that goes “boom” a lot?
                You ever stand peacetime guard duty? Seems like night after night of doing absolutely nothing and not being able to do anything (since you have to be alert) would be more psychologically damaging than physical labor easier than any Mexican building homes in the southwest goes through every day. But the guard duty doesn’t cause psychological issues, even if you were left out on the flight line for 24 hours straight guarding a loaded SEAL C-130 because your radio went dead and nobody told the next shift that you were out there and you can’t leave your post without being properly relieved…

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah and when im jumping you will see shockwaves going through my brain too, that doesnt mean i get brain damage from jumping

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that doesnt mean i get brain damage from jumping
                You unironically would get brain damage if you regularly jumped up and down with the force of a 155mm propellant charge

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            frick off
            https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/61/Users/019/71/4371/Overpressure%20Study%20Report%2020191025.pdf

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Be a contrarian all you want, you have no fricking clue what you are talking about. We can see this on MRIs and even CTs - and we're in the early stages of understanding this

            https://i.imgur.com/3EEkKnO.jpg

            frick off
            https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/61/Users/019/71/4371/Overpressure%20Study%20Report%2020191025.pdf

            No way the military lets that go into use, they would need to increase arty men x3

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, you absolutely cannot. MRIs and even bio-marker analysis show nothing. Recent research with rats shows the effects of mild TBI only using slices of the brain examined under microscopes. Non-mild TBI is well-understood now it’s the mild TBI which is in ongoing study, and even though they’ve found it in rats as micro-inflammation the actual specific action behind the damage remains unknown only that it doesn’t show up in rats after just one exposure, they need to be exposed to multiple events in succession. That’s rats, humans may be very different.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why in the fricking world do you imagine you know better than the doctors and soldiers who participated in the study? why does everyone on PrepHole think they're the smartest person in the world?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm starting to think that the motherfricker might not actually be moronic and that we bit on some bait

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >why does everyone on PrepHole think they're the smartest person in the world?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Navy gay here. The blast wave moves through your body.
        You don’t need to compress the brain up against the skull when the blast sends a compression wave through it.

        When a destroyer’s 5 inch fires you feel that shit move through you from the covered smoke deck.
        155mm looks to be more powerful than 5 inch.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i'm guessing the navy doesn't have this problem because they don't go off blasting guns all the time
          and i imagine the deck between you and gun helps some

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this kind of post makes it worth still coming to the god forsaken site

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are a literal fricking moron with room temperature iq lmao. holy shit please, go up on top of your chromosomes and jump down to your iq please

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You must have suffered several traumatic brain injuries.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        T. Artilleryman

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Found the guy stamping “not service related” on everything

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if good helmets would help

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      does rocket artillery have this problem?
      if it means not scrambling our dudes brains we should just transition to that even if it means needing to splatter targets with exponentially more expensive munitions

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying rockets aren't even louder

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i don't think it's the sound that fries your brains but the concussive blast from the propellant going kaboom
          i'm sure rockets aren't quiet but i'm guessing they have less of a percussive blast wave

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the blast wave is a sound front, it's roughly the same thing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Was the damage done to artillerists as bad in WWII?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Be prepared for a lot of math

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I had fun as an FDC nerd. Would not recommend being a gunner. Especially if you're towed - unless you like the idea of blowing out your shoulders digging spades and running rounds. Go rocket if you want to live the comfy life. Paladins are dope too but no guarantees there. You will eventually end up in a 777 section.

      Promotions can be pretty fast for 13Bs. When I was in E5 dropped to fricking 30 at one point.

      Gunners don't do math. They dig holes and pick up shells.

      FDC does fake math (computing degraded is all shortcuts and analog calculators; you will never need to do trig on paper) and sets up OE-254s.

      On a whole nobody who is in artillery deliberately picked that as their first choice except some officers and weirdos (like me; I like howitzer math). My official job title was "Fire Control Specialist" and I knew four separate individuals who all thought they were going to be fire fighters until they got to Fort Sill.

      Officers have it pretty fun until they get made XO/PL. Their 2LT/1LT time gets spent as FDO (in charge of battery FDC) and he gets to chill in the back until it's time to stress out about ammo counts and computing safety or as FSO where he gets to larp as recon infantry with the fisters in an infantry company.

      My GT score is 140 and yes I'm just that moronic 🙂

      Good times/10 the worst part was garrison life. Listening to the shell whistle echo off the hills during a fire mission gets me rock hard to this day.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Listening to the shell whistle echo off the hills during a fire mission gets me rock hard to this day.
        I kneel

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >go deaf
    >get ACK'd by a DJI drone.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kill knees loading shells and charges
    >EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    it's a good way to get disability and retire at 30

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Running the rounds is far from the most physically debilitating thing of operating a howitzer, the set up for it and all the extra bullshit for position improvement will cause mich worse wear and tear on you. Frick i do miss it sometimes though, just dont be a b***h and you can get on good with your section

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >actually considering anything but staff work in the military as a job

    You are either bottom of the barrel social trash, majorly moronic or both.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody is saying anything about joining. Another schizophrenic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Top Gun never happened

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be fun if my frail mortal meat shell was impervious to the deafening shockwaves and repeated lifting of heavy objects.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WHAT?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    Was arty for 10 years before switching to SIGINT. Even in heavy units (270/m109) the work is physically difficult while also being boring as frick. Your coworkers are also moronic. Your leadership is either also moronic or extremely bitter from dealing with morons constanly You go to the field a lot, get run ragged doing fire missions or "fire missions," shit breaks constantly. All you do is maintain equipment, clean, and train the same being shit over and over. It was good for like three months.

    Now that I'm Intel I sit in a comfy SCIF with air conditioning and only have to deal with my fellow autists

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am forever grateful to my recruiter who told me "you will not like artillery at all. Trust me. Go signal if you get offered it, your a nerd and will fit right in with them"

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Arty suuuuuuuuuucks dude.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fun
    >gets droned by Lancet outta nowhere

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t worry he’d be manning a real battery, not a decoy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anon if a lancet is hitting you it means the enemy is too close. have you EVER seen drone footage against artillery?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >have you EVER seen drone footage against artillery?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy your tinitus. Arty sucks balls

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WHAT? SPEAK LOUDER SONNY I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

    I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE MUMBLE THESE DAYS...

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have fun with cancer surgeries afterword

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >arty

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/wkBeTSI.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/HXw3re2.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/MZrWjqV.jpg

      Pack it up fellas, glavset is here.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Pointing out how American servicemen get fricked by the DoD and the dangers of having thousands of explosions go off next to your head means that you're a vatnik.
        You disgust me.

        How come this phenomenon wasn't heard with World War soldiers they used the most arty

        Alcoholism and suicide.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hey the military kinda sucks and the VA is dysfunctional
        >NOOOOOO MUH VATNIIIIIIIIIIKS
        Don't you have a circlejerk to attend, homosexual?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How come this phenomenon wasn't heard with World War soldiers they used the most arty

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they just tossed them on the street or executed them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they came home and were alcoholics who beat their wives after their shift in the factory before dying in 1958.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Communism, Fascism and National Socialism become popular after WW2. What do you think?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2/3rds of those were not so big after ww2 moron

          How come this phenomenon wasn't heard with World War soldiers they used the most arty

          It was a reoccuring joke post ww2 that you had to yell to be heard by men

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >WWI
        Everyone's health was atrocious thanks to the industrial revolution and zero regulations on anything, so they didn't stand out from the crowd of equally disabled and lead poisoned urban workers in London/the Ruhr/etc.
        >WWII
        They raised the Baby Boomers and we can currently see how that turned out

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They raised the Baby Boomers and we can currently see how that turned out
          I don't see the problem.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't keep good records back then.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        besides the other replies, the M777 has a muzzle brake which WW1 artillery didn't have. Also probably higher pressure rounds as well I'd imagine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muzzle brake
          Backblast of large late-war german AT guns during WWII were a problem iirc.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >this phenomenon wasn't heard with World War soldiers
        Of course not, you answered it yourself
        >they used the most artillery

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The typical artillery piece back then was ~75mm, not 155mm like today.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Much like PTSD, CTE was poorly misunderstood medicallyback then.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They just became alcoholics, beat their wives and children and die from complications due to alcohol.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not using cup style hearing protection? Is this for real? Tykimiehet, please tell me this is moronic.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dirtbag discharge
      Who did he rape?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He admitted to a female officer that he took drugs to try and treat his mental issues.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sleep paralysis
      Just sleep on your side, worked for me.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hallucinations of a black demon

      It's not an hallucination tough

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's nice besides the tinnitus. And the brain damage. And the brain damage. And the brain damage.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh for sure. Until you are at war with a country that isn't technologically in the stone age, and starts hitting your static unarmored position with drones and planes and bombs and rockets and, oh my gosh, artillery fire.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing you're all in the stone age compared to us.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess you are right. After all American weapons sent the russians in Ukraine packing all the way back to Moscow. Invulnerable American artillery, yessir!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What would you say is the tactical advantage of sacrificing over 300,000 men, thousands of tanks, tens of thousands of AFVs, dozens of aircraft, the flagship of the Russian navy with almost all of her crew, and scores of aircraft Russia had little or no ability to replace in exchange of gaining almost nothing, all of which you are going to ultimately lose? And all that to decades obsolescent castoffs from the back of the warehouse...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh dear, I forgot to mention your Black Sea Fleet. Do you suppose the crews were killed when the drones and missiles hit, or did they drown or burn alive and screaming for their mothers as the ships sunk?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bait or moron???

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Arty gives you fricked knees and fricked ears and the more we look the more we're seeing just how it fricks the brain.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guaranteed to give out hearing damage. Got 2 layers of hearing protection? Doesn't matter, the noise conducting throught your body and into your ears is enough to affect your hearing in the long-term.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      would blast suits help? or just stand further away when firing?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >stand further away when firing?
        Not really an option. The more time you spend moving to and from a more hearing-safe location is time not shooting big gun. That being said, taking 2 extra steps back is going to help a lot more than one would think.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The purpose of the EOD suit is not to protect you from the blast but to make it easier to pick up all your pieces after the blast

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dawg those bomb suits weigh 85lbs and are near impossible to move or see in. Frick no.

        Best place to be on a 777 is directly behind the gun. The muzzle brake actually works then. It's the other half of the section standing outside that small area that really gets fricked up.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My grandpa did this as a long term career in the military, messed up his hearing. He had seven kids (Catholic) and put my dad up in a masonic orphanage. They were recently deployed in Syria to blow up brown kids for oil in schools and hospitals and such.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >messed up his hearing
      how would you know? my grandparents also have trouble hearing and they never even heard artillery in their life. i think you would be hard pressed to find an old dude who hasnt problems with hearing.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PRIVATE MOVE THE BOXES AGAIN

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OH TED LOOK: IT'S A BIG BUNCH OF BOXES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The blasts don’t cause any physical injury or noticeable change to the brain; it’s just a common theory on explaining psychological phenomena. That’s why when Googling it you’ll only see "MAY" — they don’t actually know. There’s no way to physically diagnose it, it’s just someone reports sleep issues, thinking issues, etc, and if they’ve trained with heavy weapons then boom, there’s the diagnosis. On an aside it’s pretty wild how politically powerful health anxiety is, it can literally make medical issues without the slightest bit of evidence.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The blasts don’t cause any physical injury or noticeable change to the brain
      This is obviously false lol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Massive pressure waves that smack the brain around do nothing
      This anon stands next to Howitzers all day

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It may do something but not anything medical science knows how to detect. If I develop a psychological condition is that because of brain injury or is that because I was psychologically wired to develop it when exposed to loud noises? There is no noticeable difference between brains exposed to blasts and those not exposed. If there is a change it’s something that we have no ability to detect. That’s what you Current Thing health anxiety Reddit shit is promoting in here.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Blast waves are safe and effective
          Bro we get it the collective needs of the US requires some men to be sacrificed you dont need to pull out this pseud vaccine deboonker tier nonsense.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you can tell if you autopsy them once they kill themselves, that's how they diagnosed it in the NFL players

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >standing in the middle of a field in the desert
    in ukraine, they'd all be dead in an hour.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >artillery
    > fun
    Who has the webm of the pajeets running around, stomping, circling around a howitzer as it deploys.
    > waving flags too

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Artillerymen are wannabe grunts. They're fricking tryhard and will do everything in the most moronic way just to be hard. Was attached to an arty batallion and they were always miserable but also proud of their misery. Firemissions were done in long sleeves and full flak and kevlar during the summer and they were always drenched in sweat. In winter it was worse, because they were soaked in sweat and then still had to live in below freezing temperatures when out in the field.

    We had M198s, so half the guns were always under maintenance or just deadlined.

    We still practiced drill. To go to the chowhall, we had to march if there were four or more of us. Gunrocks could be dumb as frick. But they were solid dudes too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek this, its funny to see videos of artillerymen fully kitted out with a shit ton of plates and a bunch of useless shit on their vest when theyre miles away from any fighting and manning a stationary gun

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like you suffer from b***hitis, the range of the howitzers means you are only a few miles from the front and with the advent of drones and shit some body armor is preferrable to none especially when it doesnt really negatively impact performance

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't get butthurt just because your job sucks, gunrock.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was airborne b***h, making things more difficult adds some much needed spice to a usually dull field op

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can make things challenging to spice things up as you said. It's another thing to try and show up another platoon at the expense of your troops. Oh, 1st platoon is doing a 7 mile beach run? We're going to do a 10 mile beach run in full MOPP gear and gasmask. I'm not against rigor in training, but it has to be measured or will frick up your marines' bodies overtime. You know leaders are fricking up if people are constantly on light duty.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Im airborne army not marines, so the whole showing up people isnt as bad where i was stationed, the worst ones were a ranger commander who had a hardon for doing our monday and friday runs in uniform instead of pts', which caused a lot of foot and ankle injuries

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're the exception, not the norm. It's usually party with arty.
      Personally I really liked artillery, You still get to go in the field and do army stuff without rucking dozens of miles.
      >wearing flak and kevlar
      if the enemy is in range, so are you. And it's not inconceivable at all that an artillery position could be attacked by infantry.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was in a FA unit that did a surge era "in lieu of" mission. We were what would be called "uplift" today. Secury for SOF, QRF, towers, outer cordon. The training we did was stupid hard and injured 1/3 the battery, for no benefit. Watching the SOF guys laugh at us as CSM and LTC tried to brag to them about our PT regimen is still cringe to this day.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it is common knowledge in military circles even shoulder fired weapons let alone massive cannons cause TBI and even limit the amount of firing one can do in training to specifically prevent TBI
    >anon says it's a myth

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what's exactly the reason of having missle artillery and keeping conventional artillery? Do they both have am equal amount of pros and cons?

    And since the humping and setting up as well as the Shockwave n blasts leave men with disabilities which cost money in the long run why not just solely use SPARTs since at least the crew inside isn't exposed as much to the shockwaves?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gun artillery is cheaper, has better sustained fire rate and unguided rounds are about 2 times more accurate than rockets

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Think about it from a historical perspective. Today, precision missile artillery probably could replace most gun artillery if we went all-out investing in that track. But for the last 100 years, the cap on artillery has been logistics, and rocket artillery physically takes up 5x more space per shot than the equivalent in gun rounds.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      before computers: rockets are for spamming an area in the shortest time while guns are for accuracy
      after computers: rockets are for long range precision while guns are for mid range suppression

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        couldn't we just use cluster munitions in big rockets for suppression
        im a moron pls no bully

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By suppression in this case I mean time not area. Cluster munitions in rockets were a cold war staple. But the point of dumb shells today is in a conventional operational-scale attack where artillery fire of smoke and explosive rains down on an area as your engineers clear obstacles and tanks charge up for overwatch; to stop ATGM and FPV teams from sticking their heads up.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            makes sense, thanks

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's a reason only drooling asvab waivers do this job
    Are you one of them?

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the unit that fired so many shells at ISIS they turned their brains to mush and started seeing ghosts

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pick a job that transfers well to the private sector, graduate high in your MOS school class, and beg for orders to an arty unit if you wanna be around them so bad. You will say you wanna do the full 20 and get out after one enlistment like most of us.

    This should have been posted in /meg/ for the love of God.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is totally off topic, but have any of you ever experienced the following:

    >got flak, kevlar, and weapon
    >jump out of the back of the 7-ton
    >upon landing, taint absorbs the impact and hurts like a motherfricker

    Am I alone in this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, I see many other vets at the pain clinic done in by soldier load.

      Your spine did not evolve for that shit and vehicles should be designed for safer bed egress because it would meaningfully reduce injuries. While most injuries don't finish ruining your life until you're retired (so document everything and fricking get periodic fresh HARD COPY medical records then save those including scanning them to backup media local and online) the accumulation of spine and joint damage has brutal effects. So does blast TBI.

      I met one vet who was combat camera at Falluja and was billeted beneath the outgoing path of a MLRS battery. It fricked him up visibly. Solid dude, righteous as he could be but the rest of his life (brain damage is mostly a one-way street) is FUBAR.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vehicles should be designed for safer bed egress
        But anon the LMTV comes with a ladder. It's fine.
        >You have two minutes to occupy so you jump the five-odd feet in full kit and start digging a tunnel to agartha

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dont worry, you dont need knees where you are going, also get good at being first one out and sliding out, takes a lot of the jarring out

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you touch dirt and yell marine corps? no? found your problem.
      bend your knees when you land like you're a real skater.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    curious how big of a difference in brain scrambling between firing 105 vs 155mm
    roughly a 1:3 in terms of shell weight

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the difference between them is probably exponential.
      The 105 wasn't bad at all. But I only got to be near one firing once in AIT and with their earpro it was super underwhelming.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For health reasons manually operated artillery should be abolished. SPGs can stay since the crew is insulated by their steel cabin. Maybe add some rubber mats to the spall liner for max protection.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It really should be, at the least I'd think modern militaries would want to avoid it at all costs. We don't make guys choke on fumes at 120° inside tanks, because it fricks up their ability to fight for long periods. Being exposed to constant shockwaves from your own gun should be treated no different.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ex CAF arty guy here.

    Mac High charge 5 absolutely fricks your head up. After extended periods of firing, memory gaps, EEEEEEEE, headaches, nausea, and diarrhea were common among my guys. Also the way the m777 muzzle break functions and the way fobs and gunlines were laid, made sure you got hosed by the break from your guns to the right and left. Also the moronic way the caf lays out its gun stores makes it sure fire your num 5 is fricked.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn that sucks
      we're fricking up our own dudes and that makes me feel bad

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GLOBAL FORCE 2024 — US Army Futures Command head Gen. James Rainey today teased some details of the Army’s highly anticipated tactical fires study — and made it clear that towed artillery’s future isn’t bright.
    >“I personally believe that we have witnessed the end of the effectiveness of towed artillery: The future is not bright for towed artillery,” Rainey told an audience today at the Association of the US Army’s Global Force symposium. Looking at large scale operations against threats like China, the US Army instead needs mobile, indirect fires, especially in its lighter Stryker formations, he added.
    https://www.dvidshub.net/tags/video/ausa-2024-global-force-symposium

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They've been hunting for a self propelled 155 to put with strykers since their inception but they keep running into the problem of the limits they set themselves for strategic mobility and their own inability to adopt anything that is truly new.

      Everything in a stryker brigade by doctrine has to at least notionally fit inside a C-130. Until they find a self-propelled howitzer that can they'll be stuck with the 777.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sure, of you want to see ghosts the rest of your life.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another question

    Why isn't a barrage of hundreds if not thousands of towed guns volley at the same time like how archers used to do in ancient times a real strategy?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they tried that in WWI and it didn't work very well.
      Largely because of trenches and other fortifications. Artillery needs to be used in conjunction with other stuff to be effective, hence why combined arms warfare was more or less born in WWI.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You also cant fit hundreds even thousands of artillery pieces in that small of a space and actually use the guns or just not be a massive easy target since there is no easy or quick way to get out of the area

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about mortars?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what is counterbattery
          The USSR tried those massed barrages in WW2. It's where they got their doctrine from. It relies on 1) the enemy not being able to shoot back and 2) the ability to stockpile the relevant quantities of ammo for days beforehand in one big spot.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. You just set up, clean, clean, replace replace clean. I was kind of unusual because of the amount of head protection and armor I wore. People were wearing ear protection and helmet I had extra things on. A piece that went up from my vest 6 inchest heavy duty ear protection, heavy helmet. Anything I could to absorb the shock fire when they fired. Covered my head with arms when they fired and got as far away as I reasonably could. Alot of guys have issues from not doing things like that. The shock wave will scramble brains if you are close not using armor
    or covering with arms.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    >"Dad, you got brain damage from your time in shitholeistan"
    >"What did you say you lil shit?"

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