Is 7,62x39 good enough for moose hunting? I’m too poor to afford a new rifle. I’ll be using Chinese surplus FMJ
Is 7,62x39 good enough for moose hunting? Im too poor to afford a new rifle. Ill be using Chinese surplus FMJ
Is 7,62x39 good enough for moose hunting? I’m too poor to afford a new rifle. I’ll be using Chinese surplus FMJ
I wouldn't use it for that. .30-06 is the best moose cartridge
Probably illegal in most places. It'll drop a moose but not optimal.
With good quality softpoint hunting ammo like Lapua ammo, it would probably work okay. Altough it would be illegal in many places.
With steelcore FMJ; LMAO no. You'll just injure the moose and it'll bleed out 5 kilometers away and you'll never find it.
I feel like softpoint wont have enough penetration to reach vitals compared to steel core fmj
I hunt moose with 6.5x55 softpoints.
Half the time it punches clean through the moose. Half the time the bullet doesn't exit and gets caught under the skin aaaaalmost exiting.
Good 7.62x39 softpoints (made for medium/large game, not varmint hunting or some shit) will have no issues reaching the vitals.
6.5xx55 travels way faster has a heavier bullet and deliver more energy so it’s not a fair comparison
>300fps is "way faster"
>18 grains is way heavier
Stop being dumb, 6.5x55 is shit, and still drops moose.
6.5x55 carries about 50% more energy...
Energy does not effect wounding at all.
The bullets crush path, fragmentation, and permanent wound channel volume are all that matter.
Stop
Being
moronic
Which are factors that all depend on the energy of the bullet going in
Energy isn't what causing it, moron.
Force and momentum are more accurate representations of terminal perfomance.
Those are energy you moron.
>Energy does not effect wounding at all.
Imagine thinking that projectile size and velocity doesn't matter
It has been known for at least 35 years that energy amounts do nothing.
This is from a DOJ report on bullet wounds ~1987 IIRC
Energy=velocity*mass squared
Velocity massively affects fragmentation, penetration, and crush
Mass/projectile diameter massively affects the raw wound channel size and thus how much bleeding the wound will cause
While the raw energy numbers may not be directly correspond to any one wounding factor, it's a good gross indicator of the wounding ability of a projectile.
In short, energy matters. Stop being moronic
>didn't even get the KE equation right
Black person you are literally using a computer with the internet, you could have looked it up.
>Energy=velocity*mass squared
uh
But how do you think you achieve a longer crush path, create fragmentation effects in a solid bullet, or create a permanent wound larger than the diameter of the bullet? By using less energy until you hit zero point? Fricking moron.
That's not from energy, moron.
Lrn2physics.
A bullet may be able to do those things and have a higher energy, but energy isn't what is causing it, frontal area, and force are your main causes.
Obviously 7.62 will have more frontal area than 6.5, assuming similar bullet construction, and let's see the force numbers:
A 10g 7.62x39 has 641N of force, the 9g 6.5x55 has 727N, which is only 22% more force
For funsies let's do wound volume, assuming both pass through the moose
The 7.62 will have a permanwound cavity of 28% more than 6.5x55 (assuming same bullet type construction)
So yeah, 6.5 is moving a little faster, 7.62 is making a bigger hole, as long as it reaches the vitals, bigger hole wins.
I'm not suggesting you hunt moose with 7.62x39, or 6.5x55, both are shitty hunting cartridges, but to say 7.62 is bad, while 6.5x55 is acceptable is asinine.
You don't understand how a permanent wound cavity forms and you've confused a bunch of handgun shit with wounding by high velocity rifles. Also you're rapidly arriving at "muh fuddy five" as the the ultimate gun. I'm also fairly certain you've never shot an animal.
Energy has no effect on permanent wound cavityit does effect the temporary stretch cavity, as tbe stretch cavity is literally the energy wave formed from the transfer of the enrgy, but the temporary stretch cavity has been disproven as a wounding factor.
Until the stretch exceeds the elasticity of the tissues the bullet passes through, and becomes a permanent cavity. Incidentally I just shot a bear with a ttsx that was recovered whole with no fragments, and I could put my fist through it's left lung.
>So yeah, 6.5 is moving a little faster, 7.62 is making a bigger hole, as long as it reaches the vitals, bigger hole wins.
kek sure bro
>The bullets crush path, fragmentation, and permanent wound channel volume are all that matter
So, the work that is done by the bullet matters
>Energy does not effect wounding at all.
The ability of the bullet to do work does not matter
Makes total sense.
Power is an objects ability to do work.
Fricking tard.
Power is work/ change in time
Work= force×displacement.
>Power is an objects ability to do work.
Power is the rate at which energy is used/work is performed. You're spouting gobbledyasiatic, just stop.
Show me where energy is in the work equation.
Negriod
Show me the equation where power isn't a ratio of work over time lol.
Power is work / the change in time
As I stated.
And work is force × displacement.
Your whole argument was that work was a product of energy.
Show me where the energy is you c**t nugget.
>uses a physics term
>gets proven he's using it wrong
>decides to strawman
Try harder troon
>you see I know physics words and so you see I have proven that the .45acp is actually more lethal than a high velocity rifle!
No, your average .45 ACP would not reliably penetrate the required depth of a moose to be a good cartridge.
You're literally strawmanning now.
And .243 win had a out the same energy as 6.5x55, and 243 isn't generally considered good for moose.
Whereas .45 - 70 has about the same energy as 7.62x39, and is used for moose and Grizzly bear all the time.
Energy is a dogshit metric of capeability.
45-70 can be loaded to twice the energy as 7.62WP you demented mong.
Frick you can kill an animal with any bullet but apples ain't oranges.
Traditional 45-70 loadings they killed fricking bison with had the same energy as 7.62x39
What are you shooting that takes 6.5 Swedish and why are you using it for hunting?
Nta but most modern bolt rifles are available in 6.5x55. Even burger makes like winchester, ruger etc they just don't market them in America.
With modern bullets 6.5 is a capable round but most people use other rounds for moose these days.
I've been looking at getting a t3x varmint in 6.5x55 but have other priorities right now
6.5 CM mimics 6.5x55 ballistics in a short action, and is more available.
And obviously .308 blows both out of the water in performance (at hunting ranges)
Then there's at least 30 more capable and more popular cartridges availible.
>Then there's at least 30 more capable and more popular cartridges availible.
More popular? No 6.5x55 is in the top 10 most popular hunting cartridges. And if you handload 6.5x55 is more capable than 6.5CM (by a very slim margin)
Most importantly though norma match ammo in 6.5x55 is cheaper than most normal fmj in scandinavia. So if you don't handload it is by faaaar the cheapest precision cartridge available.
>Scandinavia
Opinion discarded
What you feel isnt very relevant to reality.
And what you think isn’t correct
Then you're probably too stupid to own firearms.
i mean, he is trying to hunt moose with an antiquated, intermediate round
and he also presented the question on /k/
which makes it even more plausible that he's moronic
i don't mean moronic like you call your friends when you're a teen
i mean actually moronic
>5 kilometers away
it's a moose. it's more likely to stomp on him until the blood loss causes it to collapse.
Theyre pretty big, anon
she just wants sum fuk
She really did. Hardly let me get into my trugg, blocked me from leaving, and then chased after me when I left.
Imagine the smell tho
Not really, no.
it's a bit too small to kill it on one shot. You have to be very accurate/lucky to pierce from right angle to reach the heart to take the beast down.
A legend tells that a group of finnish military officers had a small get-together/drinking party in the woods, and they caught site of a moose. Since these were military officers, lot of them had guns on them, including RK62's.
What followed was a wild drunken hunt across the forest on Land Rover, shooting at the moose from the car windows. It took several magazines to take it down. Granted, they were drunk and hits were poor, but the overall consensus was that 7,62x39 is just a tad too small for that kind of job. Cal. 7,62x51 NATO really is the minimum recommendable. There is a reason why it is part of the hunting rules and legistlation.
This did not happen, you did not hear it from me.
And I can find moronic anecdotes of poachers killing water buffalo and elephants in few or single shots with AKs. Your story is worthless
7.62x39 will kill every animal on the North American continent especially with hunting rounds.
*.30-06
*.45-70
*2-bore rifle
*.50BMG
No one cares ya fudds.
Why? If you want to dump a dozen rounds, just a target. Why hunt a moose in a low caliber for it? Are you starving? Hunt a deer with x39, that's enough for it. Deer and moose live in the same climates and areas. Shooting a weak caliber for a moose is inhumane, you'll need at least 6 rounds to bring it down.
I’m not starving but meat is very expensive so I would be broke if I had to go to the grocery store and get it
either cut down on the meat or hunt smaller game moron, you're going to cause an animal undue suffering because you're a tightassed c**t
>tightassed c**t
seriously, how the frick can't you afford meat?
like not even pork?
Why would I eat filthy pigs?
get fricked muslim
cause beggars can't be choosers
You have no idea about hunting and what that entails. You don’t have the patience to hunt or even to draw a moose tag.
I'm guessing you're a leaf. How experienced are you hunting? What have you cut up before?
x39 with a proper softpoint will work at close range, but if you've never hunted, I think you're going to waste that moose through inexperience/incompetence regardless of whether you're successful in killing one or not.
>moose
nothing less than 338 norma
Underwood solid copper expanding bullets should do the trick
Can you do it? Yeah, probably. Should you? Probably not. If you do it, use a heavy ass bullet like 154gr SP that'll carry momentum. Also make sure it's legal in your jurisdiction.
Within 100 yards with a properly designed bullet, yes.
I wouldn't push it much further then that, and definitely not with garbage surplus FMJ
Not FMJ
Fricking moron.
hell no. youll kill it if you magdump, but if you just get a shot or two into it (highly likely) it will suffer over several days.
is a flock of moose called meese?
A group of moosers isn't called a flock
7.62x39 will kill any mammal on God's green earth
Use the expensive hunting bullets, or shoot in the head, there was elephant hunter who would use a 7mm to kill elephants by taking headshots
7.62x39 isn't enough, you need to try bow-hunting.
>7,62x39
>moose
>poor
>Chinese surplus
What you want is .50 BMG with incendiary rounds. Aim for the balls.
In all seriousness, though, if you treat the situation as if you were hunting with a crossbow, you should be fine: penetrate the lungs and it'll drop with that round. If you miss the lungs or heart, though, all you're going to do is piss it off.
Yes but not fmj you fricking moron
That into the wild guy killed one with a 22lr
>I’ll be using Chinese surplus FMJ
no
since you're using chinese ammo I assume you're a fellow leaf.
Buy a .303 sporter. It'll do you better and they are like 200-300 bucks.
If not, buy a Mossberg patrol and use 7.62 nato
No
Buy a 30-06 off of intersurplus off of great north gun co
Why would I do this when .308 is cheaper, more common, a short action, and pushes the same bullets only ~75fps slower?
If it's within 50 yards probably.
Of course it is
Bait.
No. Use it to have a nice day in the head instead.
its just fine. make sure you bring the 30rd mag because youll need it
You will blow the moose in half if you use assault rifle ammunition like that!
>I’ll be using Chinese surplus FMJ
Frick no, that shit is infamous for having basically zero expansion, just buy a couple boxes of SP ammo, it's not that expensive.
No expansion is a good thing because 7.62x39 SP will rapidly lose energy expanding and won’t be able to reach vitals
When you're using an underpowered cartridge to hunt you don't want it to expand lol. You want it to keep driving to actually puncture through the vitals. Stupid boomer fudd with his one way of thinking that forever cucked bullet construction.