Is 357 Magnum the best handgun cartridge all around?
>extremely powerful
>great ballistics out of 3 in plus barrels
>low recoil compared to the amount of muzzle energy
>can penetrate body armor
>you can use 38 special in a 357 magnum revolver
Is 357 Magnum the best handgun cartridge all around? >extremely powerful. >great ballistics out of 3 in plus barrels
yeah
.357 ist max comfy
>cheap top shoot
>easy to load
>widely available
>comfy guns
My next handgun ist gonna be a Model 27
.357 is cheap to shoot?
It's about the same as anything if you are hand loading
Cases last forever so their cost is negligible
If you pay more than 8 or 9 cents per projectile you're overpaying or you're making a specialized defense or hunting round
Primers are coming down in price a bit and cost around the same, maybe maxing out at 10 cents (they're still super expensive compared to pre covid)
The powder charge is around 3-5 cents, so you're looking at just a shade over 20 cpr for handloads
If you buy ammo it is a little costly to train with, they cost about double what 9mm costs
>cheap to shoot
How does it perform out of a 16" barrel?
Not too bad. I'd like to get a lever action in .357
Looking at boutique (high end) stuff, it gets up to ak47 velocities with a heavier, but less aerodynamic, projectile
Buffalo bore advertises a 158 grain round that gets above 2200 f/s in a long gun. You could probably even load them a little hotter than that if they're a carbine only load.
I hunt whitetail deer with a rossi m92 16" carbine.
I'm in the northeast, so really heavy wooded areas, and 99% of my shots are within 100yards though.
I honestly just use basic b***h hollowpoints.
So long as your aim is good, it will drop them almost immediately. I've only had one where I had to "track" it, and it only made it about 500 yards or so.
Better than the 44 mag for whitetail
https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.357+Magnum.html
As a revolver round it can't be the best because revolvers aren't as good as pistols. And if we're talking about wheelguns, I prefer 38 spl because I'm limp wristed.
I love .357 Magnum
I adore .357 magnum but due to it not being good in semi autos I’ve been thinking about 10mm for the same amount of bang in a semi auto
Who was talking about revolvers? And there’s a very reliable .357mag automatic that runs great- The Desert Eagle
Can you still get those long barrels?
I wanna get one to make the C.Magnum from Resi 2.
If you spend a few months looking around Ebay you can, the only one missing from my collection is the 10 in .44mag, and that’s because I don’t want it. You can expect to pay about $1,000 for one, and they’re only going up since production stopped in 2014.
rimmed cartridge with autoloader?
It's possible but it means the mag must be specific which limits its capacity
Yeah works great, zero malfunctions in about 2,000 rounds, 10+1 semi .357 magnum
it can be done it takes some mechanical fukcery so, msot modern cartriges are rimless so nobody really bothers
SVD has a rimmed cartrige 762x54 R(immed)
Ruger model 44 used to be a semiauto 44 remington magnum (looks like an extra THICC 10/22)
SW model 52 come in 38 special i think
deagle
coonan 1911 357
As long as the rims are not near each other it's fine, as in a forward angled mag (big difference in linear position between rounds) or some rotary mags (each round is held separately in a sprocket).
>Literally any other 10mm: $600-$1,000
>Desert Eagle in .357 magnum: $1,8000
Don't even get me started on reliability and practicality.
Lmao you don’t own either so how would you know anything? Desert Eagles are $1,300-1,400 and worth every penny, just a hunk of solid steel that’ll last forever, every component that could wear, is replaceable. I’ll never need to buy another magnum handgun because I can do everything I’d need to with this one. In every caliber I’d want to do it in.
What about concealability?
I love this video
why is it that 10mm gays never seem to own guns in 10mm but 357 enjoyers always do
>why is it that 10mm gays never seem to own guns in 10mm but 357 enjoyers always do
There’s just a lot of 10mm fanboys who have never shot or owned any 10mm gun that rabidly defend it like it’s the end-all, be-all caliber. It’s just cope.
I love and own both 357 and 10mm, some people are just Black folk
how is the DASA?
seems like a really cool combat revolver
it looks like a hotdog
It reminds me of hand banana
To add on, the hammer ones look a bit more "sharp", but these ones...
>38+P in the snubby DAO
>1400 FPS 688 FT LBS. 158 GR. in the DASA
How do you like the k6 series? I'm strongly considering a k6xs aluminum version to go with my 43c.
Enough to buy a second one.
The DAO is just stupid accurate in my hands.
So I bought the DASA.
The QC on the 4" is inferior to the snubby (wheel to bbl gap 6 thousandths vs. 2 thousandths plus a sticky release button).
Not complaining though, the one is great, the other is merely good.
The wood grips felt slippery on the DASA, currently trying some Hogue rubbers.
Miss the wood furniture look though.
NTA but i have a 3" DASA. having owned a number of Ruger DA revolvers (LCR SP101 GP100 etc) the kimber is better than them by a country mile
Unless you're a handloader.
Most people who reload aren't the type of people to try to push the limit with full moron hand loads.
You don't have to go full moron, there are book loads that will shake Smiths apart or cause bullets to jump crimp in lighterweight guns under recoil.
Rugers are just incredibly overbuilt and there's a reason SBH's used to dominate silhouette competitions.
I'm buying that same 4" as my first revolver, shot a friends a few weeks ago and fell in love
I think the k6 looks better sans hammer
>The virgin 10mm gay vs. the Chad .357 enjoyer
If I had the clip art and Ms paint skills I'd make thee meme myself
>shoelace sling
holy based
>last upload 2 years ago
>"sweats in mrchicity"
>gaming channel: last upload 1 day ago
>call of duty and YuGiOh
we gud cuz'
check the intro on this one lmao
Shoulder holster, though they do make IWB kydex holsters for it, I’m carrying in the woods, not in the city.
If you’re concerned about concealing you should be carrying a 9mm micro-compact stack and a half
How long can you load those?
Are they intolerant of loads exceeding 1.700in or do they even get there?
That's the real benefit of a revolver, load longer cartridges and gain case capacity.
How many rounds does a 357 deagele get, I figured the 8 shot wheelguns were better for reliability and capacity in 357, but I can't think of a better 44 magnum pistol.
I love the oldschool rail-less deagles in silver, classy.
The magazines say 9 but hold 10, so you get 10+1 out of them.
AHAHAHAHAHA
you noguns homosexual, the desert eagle is everything, but certainly not reliable in 357 Mag
I got a DW Razorback for the same reason. However, it's pretty hard to achieve similar muzzle energy with common components out of a 5" barrel. Still a cool gun, though.
it's the best carry handgun cartridge, yes
overall the best cartridge is either .41 magnum or any of the various .45 Colt derivative ultramagnums
>it's the best carry handgun cartridge
how, explain yourself
it's the one I carry so by definition it's the best
satisfactory
the pain in my wrist really helps me understand the pain of those I kill
>rimmed
No moron
>can penetrate body armor
I luv me some .357 but this is moronic. it gets stopped by level ii soft armor
There are commercial 9mm loadings that beat 3a, and the same manufacturers make 357 mag ammo. You just need a hard conical projectile
If you're talking about using Fort Scott TUIs, why wouldn't you just use 9mm?
Then again that's the question with 357 every time, because it's just 9mm +p.
>it's just 9mm +p
>can get up to nearly 3x the muzzle energy and almost twice the velocity with certain loads
>almost twice the velocity with certain loads
9mm 115 grain fort scott TUIs are 1140fps.
9mm +p Xtreme Defenders are 1475fps
357 mag fort scott TUIs are 1424fps
357 mag Xtreme Hunters (comparable in design to the Xtreme Defender) are 1700fps
Faster yes, but not even close to double the speed, and until I see a vest that bounces 9mm TUIs penned by a 357 TUI, it's irrelevant. I mean I'd love a .357 mag that could reliably spit copper solids at 2900fps, but it's not going to happen. Even 357-44 only goes up to 2400fps with a 110 grain hollowpoint on this reloading guide I have handy and that's out of a Contender.
That's in a 10 inch contender. From a 20 inch barrel the B&D will send them at 2800fps.
But yeah, I wonder if that guy meant double the energy, not velocity.
>That's in a 10 inch contender. From a 20 inch barrel the B&D will send them at 2800fps.
I'll never say 9mm is as good as 357-44, I think bottlenecked meme rounds are based as frick.
I like my meme round. It's so stupid, but in a short action levergun like a Marlin 94 or Win 92, it gets you 357 Max performance in a short package.
The only shame is that cast bullets don't fare so good due to the short neck, the powder ignition burns up the lube.
For comparison, this is a 357 Mag load from Speer in a levergun.
I'd be surprised if I can't get my 1892 in B&D to do 2800fps with a 110gr.
Good job only mentioning the weight of the first round. That .357 is shooting 120gr at 1700fps. The 1424fps 9mm cope round is using a 90gr bullet. And since we are not caring about bullet weights here, the anon you replied to is correct about 2x velocity because of dog slow 147gr that 9mmitors unironically use.
Nta, but don’t care, not an autoloader cartridge, therefore obsolete
>t. someone who can't shoot for shit
That explains why all LEO/military agencies worth a shit are using revolvers
>implying police can shoot worth a shit
>implying the military's use case is at all relevant to what you can encounter in civilian life
Okay then, 10mm. Now what wristlet
>Good job only mentioning the weight of the first round.
If the weight doesn't make it penetrate armor that the other wont, it's irrelevant to the discussion about armor penetration.
Fort Scott 357 mag is 125 grain at 1424fps. Wow, a whole ten grains difference on a non deforming copper solid. I'm sure the ~400fps at absolute best (probably shot out of a rifle lol) means it's going to blow right through armor that bounces 9mm of the same bullet type all day long!
>the anon you replied to is correct about 2x velocity because of dog slow 147gr that 9mmitors unironically use.
Bizarre, rambling nonsense.
>sectional density has no effect on armor penetration capabilities
>just ignore how armor piercing ammunition for cannons today focuses on launching long, narrow rods that waste weight (and therefore potentially higher velocity) on a discarding sabot to throw those long, narrow projectiles rather than using a lighter traditional bullet
I never said anything about fricking armor penetration in
but you keep going on about it.
>it's just 9mm +p
~60% greater velocity and more than double the energy when comparing similar projectile mass.
>I never said anything about fricking armor penetration in
>can get up to nearly 3x the muzzle energy and almost twice the velocity with certain loads but you keep going on about it.
Because that's what we were talking about before you sperged out
>~60% greater velocity and more than double the energy when comparing similar projectile mass.
Wow, 60%, that's the same as "double".
9mm FSTUIs will pen a IIIA kevlar panel and a IIA panel underneath it, show me the armor that your 357 will penetrate but the 9mm wont.
>sperged out
I only made two posts you moron.
>Wow, 60%, that's the same as "double".
I said "almost" you fricking homosexual. Oh no, I was a bit generous in my rounding.
>9mm FSTUIs will pen a IIIA kevlar panel and a IIA panel underneath it
Sauce?
You obviously don't know shit about .357 magnum if you think you need a rifle to get those velocities. You can even get that with 158gr which used to be a normal loading. My comment about 147gr 9mm was about your dishonesty with the numbers.
>9mm was about your dishonesty with the numbers.
I wasn't even slightly dishonest I cited one weight for a novel projectile that was the most relevant to the discussion, which is almost the same weight between the two calibers, and you started crying like a woman.
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine the bullet that could do it. It would have to be a REALLY long spire point with a shank(bearing surface) of only .2 inches, solid brass/copper, and loaded out to a length of 2.000 inches+ for more case capacity. The weight would need to be very low too, definitely 140gr or less.
There is no bullet out there like this, it wouldn't fit in a revolver, so t/c or singlely loaded in a lever gun.
.357 maximum sabot idiot.
Fort Scott TUIs will pen 3a out of a 9mm pistol, so it's likely they'll do it out of a 357 as well. Nothing fancy, just a solid copper cone.
Punching through Kevlar is not hard when you're shooting anything other than fat lead.
>will pen 3a
You do realize that not all 3a armor is created equal, don't you?
>Punching through Kevlar is not hard when you're shooting anything other than fat lead.
Wrong. Lehigh for example offers a variety of copper solids, and only a select few of them manage to penetrate some level 3a armor from a handgun while failing against other 3a armor.
>You do realize that not all 3a armor is created equal, don't you?
Can you point me towards a video of a 3a armor panel stopping 9mm +p TUIs but not .357 TUIs out of the same barrel length?
Or are you making some asinine point about how there are specific 3a panels that outperform others? if so that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, or with the posts I replied to. Because armor ratings are based around minimum performance, saying a bullet can beat armor of a certain rating is also, necessarily, a statement about that minimum standard. I could make a vest that was just three or four bottom of the barrel level 3a vests stacked on top of each other and it would still be only level 3a, but it would definitionally stop anything that could only punch through two of those vests.
>Wrong.
When I say hard, I mean "a technical challenge". As in, it doesn't take a great feat of engineering, make it a copper solid, put a point on it, and push it even reasonably fast, and it will penetrate a piece of armor that clears NIJ level 3a testing.
>Lehigh for example offers a variety of copper solids, and only a select few of them manage to penetrate some level 3a armor from a handgun while failing against other 3a armor.
And everyone knows why, because they're cross-headed and not pointed. The cross-head is a more efficient armor penetrator than a round nose or flat nose, but less efficient than the spitzerized or "spire/spear pointed" conical projectile.
The XD penetrates a given piece of armor at a lower velocity than the XP, despite what the name might imply, because it has a finer point (the "cross" is flatter) and because it's lighter, and therefore faster. The XH is actually several designs labeled the same, but they're all more narrow at the contact surface than XPs, and some of them are brass. XH are to my knowledge only offered in big boy calibers though.
>Or are you making some asinine point about how there are specific 3a panels that outperform others?
Lol, that's plain reality. There are videos demonstrating side by side loads penetrating a budget 3a panel (and face it, most armor test are done with the cheapest shit possible) while being stopped by a slightly less budget 3a panel.
>And everyone knows why, because they're cross-headed and not pointed.
Except Lehigh offers multiple weights in given calibers for the Extreme Defender, and only some of them will penetrate a given 3a panel from a given barrel length, while failing on other 3a panels.
This video demonstrates it all. 90 grain Lehigh Extreme Defenders being stopped while the 65 grain penetrates, heavier duty backpack 3a panels stopping both from an 9" barrel, a budget panel that has since been discontinued (AR500 Rimelig) failing to stop the 65 grain XD from a 3.5" barrel, and a slight higher quality flexible panel (AR500 Hybrid) stopping the 65 grain XD from a 4.5" barrel. This AP ammo workaround shit has always been extremely finicky despite how big of a deal people make it out to be, and that's before considering that a lot of the tests you can find aren't done remotely correctly (suspending soft armor in the air with no backing or shooting it against a solid backing with little to no give vs the human body will cause it to fail in cases where it otherwise wouldn't).
You making dagny daggers??
i wish
>implying anyone does
It's vaporware.
Does anyone make Jacketed Soft Point bullets like that? The more rounded look is aesthetically pleasing.
I can only seem to get ahold of Sierra's 125gr and 158gr JSP's. Speer and Swift bullets are basically unavailable except in loaded ammo.
357 cartridges are cool.
Isn't 10 mm just better in every way?
No guns that are actually decent shoot it (just Glocks and 1911s), typically have low capacity, and most 10mm ammo is loaded to .40S&W levels, so, no.
There are sigs and the XD-M too. The thread is about the cartridge. What do you consider a good gun?
Yeah 8 round Sig mags and Springfields not-a-Glock really make me want 10mm now. It’s a dead end caliber with no good guns on the market. Either post your own 10mm or shut the frick up.
>extremely powerful
Maturity is realizing that this is actually generally a con and not a pro when it comes to a handgun.
>low recoil compared to the amount of muzzle energy
Not really, 10mm for instance has lower felt recoil for similar ME(at least out of an autoloader), as do those overlapping .357 sig/magnum loads. It is manageable with considerable practice but if you're shooting loads powerful enough to justify the other downsides then you'll be much slower with the .357 magnum than lower energy calibers. Don't even get me started on WHO or SHO shooting, 99% of .357 magnum shooters completely shit the bed times wise when it comes to that.
Nah, it's actually meaningfully worse. Running short on time but the tldr is that bullets in the caliber are almost never designed properly for actual full power use and many(ex hot and heavy hardcasts) tend to have abysmal real world reliability in semi autos.
>Don't even get me started on WHO or SHO shooting, 99% of .357 magnum shooters completely shit the bed times wise when it comes to that.
Why does unnecessary use of acronyms like this always correlate with a moronic opinion? The vast majority of gun owners spend basically no time practicing shooting one handed, especially not with their weak hand.
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No
>extremely powerful
No
with the right materials and bulletconstruction (and cash money to afford it) you can do wonders with many different calibers.
>a regular lead 357 can defeat NIJ2A
which is not commonly made or sold compared to lvl 2 and 3A.
snubbies are comfy as a ccw, 3 inchers have more energy then a 9mm of a similar lenght (prolly a fiew exceptions here and there since calibers , their manifacturers and gats can interact in funnyways )
4 to 6 inch barrels are still a comfortable lenght pistols (can be concealed but it gets more difficult) and they get significantly more velocity then a 9mm out of similar lenght barrels
, you can get 8+inchers but IMO that defeats the purpose of a pistol format. it still fits on the hip but ccw is a nonstarter for 99% of people at those lenghts and the gun starts getting disbalanced (some people like front heavy guns some dont). 12 inches is just ridiculous for a 357 pistol
357 carbines are decent nuff deer guns and there is 357 ammo designed specificlly to maximise the 357 speed out of 16 + inch barrels
yes
Its hands down one of the best if not the best choice in straight wall hunting states. Close contender would be a
350 upper if you already got an ar I guess. 38 especially I love. +p out of a lever gat will wreck pretty much any varmin including coyotes. Its a great to suppress cartridge. Wadcutters have excellent ballistics and weaker loads can be used on squirrels and shit. I love it.
wtb 38 shotshell
He'll yeah brother, specially when you have a carbine to match
>Is 357 Magnum the best handgun cartridge all around?
Yes
>cucked by capacity
the 10mm is literally the 357 of semi autos and therefore the best handgun cartridge all around
No it’s not, it’s cope, especially since you don’t own one.
>le capacity meme
The whole point of hard-hitting cartridges is needing less rounds to stop a threat.
>noo 10mm is better than 357 magnum
>not having guns chambered in both for maximum enjoyment
Problem is 10mm is always recommended but there are no guns that shoot it that are worthwhile.
>1911s of all kinds, from dan wesson to ria
>tangfolio
>sig p320 and p220
>M&P 2.0
>springfield XD
>FN 510
>610 for revolvers
>the old standby glock
>can still dig up a bren ten or S&W 1000 series model if you want to pay out the ass
>even fricking hi-point is offering a 10mm model now
There's a 10mm pistol for everyone out there now.
And none of those guns are worthwhile or collectors items like the S&Ws and guess what most of those guns have in common? They’re mostly single stacks except the Glockalikes and I wouldn’t want something plastic in a supposed “magnum” caliber.
So you're a snobby moron. Got it.
Yeah I’m the moron for wanting a all metal, double stack 10mm handgun with 15+ round capacity.
Tanfoglio Witness?
Do they still import those?
the RIA Tac Ultra is available in 10mm and is a double stack
other than that, im not sure of any other double stack 10mm 1911s off the top of my head
>9x25 Dillon
>10mm with a .357 bullet (give or take a few thou)
>Incompatible with magazine feed.
Rimless 357 analog would be the goat though
Works fine on my machine.
>best handgun cartridge
>rimmed
Pick one and only one
357 Sig is better.
I love muh .357, but the fact that it can't be shot out of a normal autoloader automatically precludes it from being the best handgun cartridge.
Works on my machine.
Deagle is not a "normal autoloader"
Pretty normal, there are literally 10s of thousands made.
Quit being deliberately obtuse.
I’m not, it’s a wildly successful gun.
What does obtuse mean?
90°<ϴ<180°
Intentionally stupid/intentionally missing the point.
>handguns
Assuming you meant to say wheelguns/revolvers yeah I think it's pretty darn good if you've got the wrists to handle it. Anything past .357mag seems like too much unless you're a comically huge person. Has a truckload of data to back it up, it simply works.
.45 Automatic Colt Pistol or you love satan and bread and butter pickles
>>low recoil compared to the amount of muzzle energy
How big of revolvers are you guys carrying
The CCW 357 I know has a ported barrel for a reason
The most overbuilt 357 Mag in existence.
>carrying
Out hunting sure, edc no way.
Are redhawks awful to concealed carry?
They're just huge.
The cylinder is huge, the grip is huge, the frame is huge, unless you get a snubby Redhawk in a shoulder holster, it’ll be difficult to CC.
What is this revolver? Looks like S&W, but not sure it is. Also why would you as a criminal choose this for a hit?
Revolvers are perfect because they don't leave any casings.
yeah
It's pretty nice although I no longer have one.