It was about as fake as the current "war" in Ukraine, a bunch of theatrics orchestrated to justify extreme actions committed by the global elite in the region some years after
When will you understand that it doesn't matter : they weren't white
The more non-whites are fighting with each other and dying, the better for the white race
Youre wrong and moronic. Anytime there's a conflict there, refugees and migrants will pour into the 1st world. You're a short sighted moron with room temperature IQ.
>When will you understand that it doesn't matter : they weren't white >The more non-whites are fighting with each other and dying, the better for the white race
Thoughtless deployment of technology and a gaping hole in place of doctrine when it comes to employing and countering it can turn any war into a caveman brawl.
They (12 years and older) were recruited into the Basiji and used for clearing minefields and shit like this
Madness and stupidity >The Basij launched human wave attacks on Iraqi positions, inspired before battle by tales of Ashura, the Battle of Karbala, and the glory of martyrdom. Sometimes an actor (usually an older soldier) would play the part of Imam Hossein and, on a white horse, gallop along the lines, providing the inexperienced soldiers a vision of "the hero who would lead them into their fateful battle before they met their God".[6] The "martyrs" had signed "Passports to Paradise" (as admission forms to the Basij were nicknamed), received a week of basic military training by the Revolutionary Guard, and were sent directly to the front lines.[6] The human wave assaults, often with no support from other military branches due to rivalry with the remnants of the former Imperial Iranian Army,[6] were met with crushing artillery, rocket, and tank fire from Iraq's defence that caused massive losses to the Iranian side.[6]
Madness and stupidity >The Basij launched human wave attacks on Iraqi positions, inspired before battle by tales of Ashura, the Battle of Karbala, and the glory of martyrdom. Sometimes an actor (usually an older soldier) would play the part of Imam Hossein and, on a white horse, gallop along the lines, providing the inexperienced soldiers a vision of "the hero who would lead them into their fateful battle before they met their God".[6] The "martyrs" had signed "Passports to Paradise" (as admission forms to the Basij were nicknamed), received a week of basic military training by the Revolutionary Guard, and were sent directly to the front lines.[6] The human wave assaults, often with no support from other military branches due to rivalry with the remnants of the former Imperial Iranian Army,[6] were met with crushing artillery, rocket, and tank fire from Iraq's defence that caused massive losses to the Iranian side.[6]
>what lessons did it teach
That near-peer adversaries fighting a war with total commitment will inevitably turn into a slow, gruesome meat grinder; that despite the invention of long-range artillery & precision guided munitions that a WW1-tier conflict is not unimaginable.
Basically the same takeaway as Ukraine really.
iraq lost more planes than iranians during their initial attack on iranian air bases lol. after iraq lost their gains in iran they asked for peace but mollahs refused peace deal, they tried to topple saddam but they fricked up by their stupid tactics. also both side hurt their economy with tanker warfare stuff. this war basically ukr-russia's middle east version.
>“You wait until nighttime, and you will see how we are killing these Iranian dogs,” an Iraqi officer said with a broad grin. “We are frying them like eggplants.” >He then took us on a tour of dozens of thick electrical cables his troops had lain through the marshy battlefield, a spaghetti network that snaked in and out of the patchwork of lagoons. He showed us the mammoth electric generators that fed the exposed power lines from positions just behind the Iraqi front lines. And, when the Iranian Revolutionary Guards made their regular evening advance, the officer and his men demonstrated the macabre genius of their invention. >Iraqi gun batteries fired just enough artillery to force the Revolutionary Guards from their marsh boats, and, when hundreds of them had been forced to continue their advance through the lagoons on foot, the men manning the Iraqi generators flipped a few switches and sent thousands of volts of electricity surging through the marshland. >Within seconds, hundreds of Iranians were electrocuted. >But the horror show did not end there. The following morning, Iraqi troops began another grisly routine that the officer called “the morning road detail.” >They made their way through the marshes, gathering up the dead Iranian soldiers like dynamite fishermen harvesting a day’s catch. Working methodically, the Iraqis piled the corpses on top of one another in the water in head-to-toe stacks, five bodies high and five across. >Together, the human piles formed long rows, the width of a troop truck, the top layers above the water’s surface. Each row extended in a straight line through the marshes from the Iraqis’ positions toward the Iranian border. Finally, the rows were sprinkled with lime and covered over with a foot-thick tier of desert sand. >It was the Iraqi method of road building, using the bodies of their enemies to construct assault routes for tanks and trucks.
It really is the real defining war for chemicals weapons.
Honestly amazing how forgotten it is alot of desert storm was shaped by this war.
The US had insane paranoia due to iraqs mass usage of weapons in the last war.
One of the reasons I can't take 40k seriously is because even though it's supposed to be set in a cartoonishly miserable death world, it still doesn't hold a candle to the kind of shit that happens in real life
My father was talking desert storm and units freaking out and using the autoinjectors becuase nerve gas symptoms are very missable and mistakable.
Nerve counter agents are also a nerve agent that locks nerves on and had a second shot that was to counter act the counter agents effects.
Alot of gulf war syndrome is apprently due to the nerve agent injectors long term damage.
Basically the first sign of getting nerve gassed is everything getting dimmer as they muscles in the eyes start relaxing.
Iran had very poor tactics early in the war, and their cohesion was bad. The takeaway was more political: if you have a secular state vs a theological state, they will not reconcile. Iran had interests in Iraq that ran against the Iraqi wish to build a regional coalition with themselves at the top. The fundamental views were so opposed (between Khomeini and Saddam) there was no way to avoid it, Iraq would have only allowed Iran time to prepare had they waited
Another lesson: keep politicians out of the chain of command. Saddam was so invested in every military personality that he shot himself in the foot many several times by purging officers who failed (who then cannot teach about WHY they failed or live to overcome the mistakes) as well as officers who were not hardline party wienersuckers.
A big takeaway is also that the military needs constant experience to form up; if you dont let this process happen, you stay weak. Iraqi army learned a lot, very good lessons, but behaved static due to party pressure (moronic). They also overextended and failed to capitalize on regional interest e.g. pakistan, who did deploy soldiers to the gulf states to counter iranian influence but also armed Iran. This is a no win situation because pakistan for instance NEEDED iran to help them arm the mujahideen in Afghanistan, but the Iraqis could have done better before war was declares.
It was bascially WW1 but fought by brown people with Cold War-era weapons, Both side's tactics and strategy could be seen as example of how NOT to fight a war
The only notable thing I know about it is how Iran used F-14 Tomcats to ass rape the Iraqi air force
It really is the real defining war for chemicals weapons.
Honestly amazing how forgotten it is alot of desert storm was shaped by this war.
The US had insane paranoia due to iraqs mass usage of weapons in the last war.
When it comes to the air war, remember that it produced the top Tomcat aces. The F-14 is the only teen series to fight in a war that was or is not essentially Western baserape.
No, it’s an example of an army making do (the Iranian side) and how to absolutely frick up an offensive (Iraqi side).
Iran post revolution was in a fricking awful state with the military either being mostly untrained and green, much of the general staff fricking off out of the country and really questionable loyalty among those who remained. Like any post-Revolution military, it was a mess filled with infighting and paranoia. When Iraq invaded, much of the Iranian military simply wasn’t in position to respond. To fill the gap, commanders had to make do. Enter the Basji, a group originally of street thug paramilitaries for the regime, and now thrown in as stop gap militias while the IRGC and Army get new formations actually trained up and ready to go. By 1985 the Basji were much more of a dedicated light infantry force, which means when heavy elements meet and greet them they tend to get pasted. Also, their human wave attacks often weren’t. They were the same assault/infiltration tactics the Allies and Germans had developed by 1917 - which like those assaults in 1917 tended to end up with the attacker pasted if they couldn’t quickly overwhelm the defense.
For the life of me I cannot figure out the difference between the Iranian and Iraqi "uniforms" during that war, at least among the enlisted men. There doesn't seem to be any standardization of gear, and from what I can tell both sides are even wearing the same helmets. Were their standard issue rifles the same too? Aside from language how the frick did they tell each other apart from a distance?
Standard issue for the Iranians at the time (and still is technically for army units) was the G3. Iraqis used AK’s as they were mostly equipped by the Soviets at this point.
Iran-Iraq has a lot of echos with the current Russia-Ukraine conflict, namely a dictatorship invading a neighbor after a revolution destabilized them and seizing territory - back in 2014 that’s essentially what happened. Then the conflict froze. We’re seeing what happened to Iraq in 1981 happening to Russia now in Ukraine… except Russia is the bigger nation with a supposedly more mechanized army than the Iraqis ever had.
Not really given the asymmetric nature of Russia's actions in 2014 and their lack of overt direct involvement until Ukrainian offenses threatened to collapse the separatist forces.
Both sides were horribly fricked but somehow Iraq was able to still conquer Kuwait after
Did Kuwait have much of a military in the '90s?
Iirc it was pretty small
It was about as fake as the current "war" in Ukraine, a bunch of theatrics orchestrated to justify extreme actions committed by the global elite in the region some years after
homie over a million people died
Nah they were crisis actors. I didn’t personally see them die so it’s a globohomosexual conspiracy
When will you understand that it doesn't matter : they weren't white
The more non-whites are fighting with each other and dying, the better for the white race
Youre wrong and moronic. Anytime there's a conflict there, refugees and migrants will pour into the 1st world. You're a short sighted moron with room temperature IQ.
>When will you understand that it doesn't matter : they weren't white
>The more non-whites are fighting with each other and dying, the better for the white race
that training matters more than whatever modern quality equipment
redpill me on electrified swamps and other esoteric tactics that were used
Thoughtless deployment of technology and a gaping hole in place of doctrine when it comes to employing and countering it can turn any war into a caveman brawl.
would that apply to Ukraine?
Children used to clear mindfields.
wtf why?
They are a pain to deal with (the children)
They (12 years and older) were recruited into the Basiji and used for clearing minefields and shit like this
Funny things
Madness and stupidity
>The Basij launched human wave attacks on Iraqi positions, inspired before battle by tales of Ashura, the Battle of Karbala, and the glory of martyrdom. Sometimes an actor (usually an older soldier) would play the part of Imam Hossein and, on a white horse, gallop along the lines, providing the inexperienced soldiers a vision of "the hero who would lead them into their fateful battle before they met their God".[6] The "martyrs" had signed "Passports to Paradise" (as admission forms to the Basij were nicknamed), received a week of basic military training by the Revolutionary Guard, and were sent directly to the front lines.[6] The human wave assaults, often with no support from other military branches due to rivalry with the remnants of the former Imperial Iranian Army,[6] were met with crushing artillery, rocket, and tank fire from Iraq's defence that caused massive losses to the Iranian side.[6]
>what lessons did it teach
That near-peer adversaries fighting a war with total commitment will inevitably turn into a slow, gruesome meat grinder; that despite the invention of long-range artillery & precision guided munitions that a WW1-tier conflict is not unimaginable.
Basically the same takeaway as Ukraine really.
Endless Human wave assaults on prepared positions is not a mandatory part of near peer conflict though
Nor is piecemeal vehicle offensives until nothing is left
That’s nice, but we’re discussing the Iran-Iraq war
Whoops, sorry about that.
>what lessons did it teach US and Soviet observers?
"Arabs are subhuman, and Persians are basically Arabs with pretensions."
>Soviets
Wowie just like my Great Patriotic War
>Americans
Holy frick imagine if one side had planes
I dont know much about the war but I heard that Iraq squandered their plane/first strike advantage with ineffective bombing on the first day
The battle of the cities was outright moronic but iirc the early strikes were fairly effective
>Holy frick imagine if one side had planes
top kek
Iran's F-14As pretty much mopped up anything other than sadham's Foxbats
What was the operation in which the US deleted the Iranian navy called? Did it happen before the Iraq-Iran war?
Praying Mantis?
iraq lost more planes than iranians during their initial attack on iranian air bases lol. after iraq lost their gains in iran they asked for peace but mollahs refused peace deal, they tried to topple saddam but they fricked up by their stupid tactics. also both side hurt their economy with tanker warfare stuff. this war basically ukr-russia's middle east version.
>Losing more planes in thr initial attack
Don't frick with the Tomcat.
Basically both sides were utterly inept and incapabale of waging modern war despite masses of modern equipment, at least on the iraqi side.
The only lesson is that if your military is run by idiots you get a repeat of ww1
Mutts have never won a war lmao they are too scared to fight people armed with more than an an rpg7 and a fricking camel hahahaha
It's wierd how little footage of this war exists seeing as it's one of the biggest post ww2 wars
not a lot of personally owned cameras in that area I guess. the congo war was also on a similar scale but you don't see shit about that
>“You wait until nighttime, and you will see how we are killing these Iranian dogs,” an Iraqi officer said with a broad grin. “We are frying them like eggplants.”
>He then took us on a tour of dozens of thick electrical cables his troops had lain through the marshy battlefield, a spaghetti network that snaked in and out of the patchwork of lagoons. He showed us the mammoth electric generators that fed the exposed power lines from positions just behind the Iraqi front lines. And, when the Iranian Revolutionary Guards made their regular evening advance, the officer and his men demonstrated the macabre genius of their invention.
>Iraqi gun batteries fired just enough artillery to force the Revolutionary Guards from their marsh boats, and, when hundreds of them had been forced to continue their advance through the lagoons on foot, the men manning the Iraqi generators flipped a few switches and sent thousands of volts of electricity surging through the marshland.
>Within seconds, hundreds of Iranians were electrocuted.
>But the horror show did not end there. The following morning, Iraqi troops began another grisly routine that the officer called “the morning road detail.”
>They made their way through the marshes, gathering up the dead Iranian soldiers like dynamite fishermen harvesting a day’s catch. Working methodically, the Iraqis piled the corpses on top of one another in the water in head-to-toe stacks, five bodies high and five across.
>Together, the human piles formed long rows, the width of a troop truck, the top layers above the water’s surface. Each row extended in a straight line through the marshes from the Iraqis’ positions toward the Iranian border. Finally, the rows were sprinkled with lime and covered over with a foot-thick tier of desert sand.
>It was the Iraqi method of road building, using the bodies of their enemies to construct assault routes for tanks and trucks.
remember the 6 million iranians
Dear G-d
One of the reasons I can't take 40k seriously is because even though it's supposed to be set in a cartoonishly miserable death world, it still doesn't hold a candle to the kind of shit that happens in real life
My father was talking desert storm and units freaking out and using the autoinjectors becuase nerve gas symptoms are very missable and mistakable.
Nerve counter agents are also a nerve agent that locks nerves on and had a second shot that was to counter act the counter agents effects.
Alot of gulf war syndrome is apprently due to the nerve agent injectors long term damage.
Basically the first sign of getting nerve gassed is everything getting dimmer as they muscles in the eyes start relaxing.
Iran had very poor tactics early in the war, and their cohesion was bad. The takeaway was more political: if you have a secular state vs a theological state, they will not reconcile. Iran had interests in Iraq that ran against the Iraqi wish to build a regional coalition with themselves at the top. The fundamental views were so opposed (between Khomeini and Saddam) there was no way to avoid it, Iraq would have only allowed Iran time to prepare had they waited
Another lesson: keep politicians out of the chain of command. Saddam was so invested in every military personality that he shot himself in the foot many several times by purging officers who failed (who then cannot teach about WHY they failed or live to overcome the mistakes) as well as officers who were not hardline party wienersuckers.
A big takeaway is also that the military needs constant experience to form up; if you dont let this process happen, you stay weak. Iraqi army learned a lot, very good lessons, but behaved static due to party pressure (moronic). They also overextended and failed to capitalize on regional interest e.g. pakistan, who did deploy soldiers to the gulf states to counter iranian influence but also armed Iran. This is a no win situation because pakistan for instance NEEDED iran to help them arm the mujahideen in Afghanistan, but the Iraqis could have done better before war was declares.
thanks, anon
It was bascially WW1 but fought by brown people with Cold War-era weapons, Both side's tactics and strategy could be seen as example of how NOT to fight a war
The only notable thing I know about it is how Iran used F-14 Tomcats to ass rape the Iraqi air force
So, seems the takeaway is WW1 Western front, chemicals included, but with Tomcats and Mirages instead of Camels and Fokkers.
Correct. At the risk of sounding like a fifteen year old, it was a really kino war, and I'm disappointed that we never see it in any kind of media
It really is the real defining war for chemicals weapons.
Honestly amazing how forgotten it is alot of desert storm was shaped by this war.
The US had insane paranoia due to iraqs mass usage of weapons in the last war.
When it comes to the air war, remember that it produced the top Tomcat aces. The F-14 is the only teen series to fight in a war that was or is not essentially Western baserape.
No, it’s an example of an army making do (the Iranian side) and how to absolutely frick up an offensive (Iraqi side).
Iran post revolution was in a fricking awful state with the military either being mostly untrained and green, much of the general staff fricking off out of the country and really questionable loyalty among those who remained. Like any post-Revolution military, it was a mess filled with infighting and paranoia. When Iraq invaded, much of the Iranian military simply wasn’t in position to respond. To fill the gap, commanders had to make do. Enter the Basji, a group originally of street thug paramilitaries for the regime, and now thrown in as stop gap militias while the IRGC and Army get new formations actually trained up and ready to go. By 1985 the Basji were much more of a dedicated light infantry force, which means when heavy elements meet and greet them they tend to get pasted. Also, their human wave attacks often weren’t. They were the same assault/infiltration tactics the Allies and Germans had developed by 1917 - which like those assaults in 1917 tended to end up with the attacker pasted if they couldn’t quickly overwhelm the defense.
The only lesson was counter insurgency is worthless. It's all or nothing.
> insurgency
I thought it was all conventional more or less?
That anon is moronic and thinks this thread is about the 2003 invasion of Iraq
For the life of me I cannot figure out the difference between the Iranian and Iraqi "uniforms" during that war, at least among the enlisted men. There doesn't seem to be any standardization of gear, and from what I can tell both sides are even wearing the same helmets. Were their standard issue rifles the same too? Aside from language how the frick did they tell each other apart from a distance?
West was Iraq.
East was Irani.
Shoot East if you were an Iraqi.
Shoot West if you were an Iranian.
Simple as.
Also, if you see a big Dorito in the sky, run.
>if you see a big Dorito in the sky, run.
What
First use of drones for artillery spotting in an active warzone was done by the Iranians in their offensive around Basra.
Bombcat while supersonic.
Standard issue for the Iranians at the time (and still is technically for army units) was the G3. Iraqis used AK’s as they were mostly equipped by the Soviets at this point.
There is a reason why everyone is wearing colored armbands in Ukraine.
Iran-Iraq has a lot of echos with the current Russia-Ukraine conflict, namely a dictatorship invading a neighbor after a revolution destabilized them and seizing territory - back in 2014 that’s essentially what happened. Then the conflict froze. We’re seeing what happened to Iraq in 1981 happening to Russia now in Ukraine… except Russia is the bigger nation with a supposedly more mechanized army than the Iraqis ever had.
Not really given the asymmetric nature of Russia's actions in 2014 and their lack of overt direct involvement until Ukrainian offenses threatened to collapse the separatist forces.