Are these career paths locked behind military/former military people? It seems that they have a lot of civilians working as contractors, how hard is it to get into without prior military experience.
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Are these career paths locked behind military/former military people? It seems that they have a lot of civilians working as contractors, how hard is it to get into without prior military experience.
Go to a real university, go for a real degree, get good grades, don't do drugs or commit crimes or male politically extreme statements, say yes when the G men offer you a job.
>how hard is it to get into without prior military experience
Pretty fricking hard, most of them require you to have a prior TS/SCI w/ Poly and there is an abundance of vets getting out with these qualifications from the intel MOS.
This is the better route if you are a young, major in something like data/analytics and seek employment with an agency.
t. all source intel contractor
This. Data analytics is huge. The big money is TS/SCI with a degree in data analytics. You don't need military but it makes it easier to get some of those basic requirements. I tell most young folks to just join the Army Reserves in MI and parlay that in to a job in the IC. However, the IC is largely moronic and evil. The Army isn't really evil, but is extremely moronic.
That's too easy for there to not be a catch
The catch is that you're choosing to do essentially the same job for the government that the private sector would pay double for.
Actually hiring people who meet the standard of decent grades froma state school and a clean record is just too good for me to believe
It’s by far easier to enlist in the military as an intel MOS, then get out and become a contractor.
25, 3 years out of a Poli Sci degree and an internship with the BIED Society, any advice? Lost, pretty much applying to anything on USAJobs that is research/writing focused, and getting nowhere. Worked some odd jobs on local political campaigns and hated them; despite my crappy underemployment, am going to up and move myself to Columbus over the summer. The original thought was foreign policy, but Covid really fricked me back in late 2021. Tentatively been looking at the UofM Ford School, but I should get experience first. Or maybe try to do contract analysis, DoD-adjacent? Really need advice.
Not much you can do honestly, I would try to find some certifications or try to work at a local police department as a crime analyst/intel as your first stepping stone. If you are willing, try doing OCS for the Army or Air Force in the Reserves.
Beans. I just need to land something professional, research-and-writing heavy, maybe something with tuition reimbursement. Crime analyst might not be a bad idea.
Reserves 35N for guaranteed TS+CI poly and analyst experience (35S is shorter but you get pigeonholed into a specific area, 35F doesn't guarantee the poly afaik, and 35P/35M sends you to DLI which has high washout chances depending on your language).
Cons: 6 month AIT.
Experience isn't as big a hurdle as getting high-level clearance. Once you have that then all sorts of stuff opens up with your new in-demand ability to access terminals, this is where contractors come in who gained clearance and now make sure they get theirs.
>why can't they just pay for talented/experienced people to get clearance so we don't have a handful of consultants fleecing government
Because that would cost money now to save money later. Go into the defence side of the civil service.
Facts Clearances cost money. Most civilian intel jobs that work with the government would rather have the military pay for it.
Liedos
Caci
And a few others I can't remember pay decent but pretty much exclusively recruit former military. From what I heard it's pretty easy once your in with one of em to constantly switch to the other for better pay.
Current power point military intel loser. Left my former MOS switched while in the reserves. Took almost a year to get cleared and go to my mos school. By the time I was a full fledged analyst I could literally put that I had 2 years intel on my resume. Got hired by a fortune 500 company to work as an analyst In thier GSOC. Okay pay but hours were shit. Switched to another company recently meh pay but better hours cooler work. The real money gigs are in NYC with big fortune 500 companies. Or in DC/Maryland for DIA ONI etc etc. I did my two weeks at ONI and I was offered a job but I don't wanna live in DC. My current gig is in an oddball location near a city I really like and that I always wanted to move to but since I'm in private intel I couldn't until it randomly popped up. Most of the civilians I met working at DIA or ONI were former military, the ones who weren't were shit hot college grads from like Georgetown or schools of that tier ( not too many ivy league kids, seems they recruit mostly from schools with good connections to DC or good poli sci/international relations programs)
If your good at OSINT other companies that aren't affiliated with the government but do intel analysis for big companies are
International sos
Control risks
Pinkerton
Everveidge
Securitas
Allied universal
I work in private corporate intel almost all big companies contract out to those and a few others. But dealing with fortune 500s is a whole other annoying beast trust me. Big banks pay the most but they usually want cyber security along with intel analysis decent amount have thier own GSOCs and don't contract out . Big Pharma has thier own GSOCs as well but for banks and big pharmaceutical its mostly just baby sitting travel plans for executives and employees and thier facilities.
I was embedded with JSOC overseas and was a civilian staff ops officers. The .mil guys did make a wicked power point. I only lucked into the job because I had a full scope TS/SCi and prior LE. My hiring manager said he figured I could be sent overseas and exercise common sense.
>joke was on him!
I was former .gov contractor. The best job I had was word of mouth. You have to just bite on the vague job descriptions.
Is PrepHolearchive etc. and webarchive good OSINT resource
Only if you wanna track incel terrorists
Surprisingly yes. It shouldn't be ur main source but it's okay. When major shit in Ukraine happens /k/ is one of the places I go in order to cross refrence shit and advise clients I say it has a 50/50 accuracy rating if anything it sends me down the right path. Usually before they move the threads to /misc/ the intel here is decent. I personally use dataminr first alert and my employer uses datamnr pulse. Both are open source tools that scan the internet for topics you tell it to find. The osint analysts for the government contractors use crazy shit like cyabra and babel Street (I think) palantir etc and a bunch of others that are insane and cost like 100k a month to license it out.
TLDR PrepHole is crawling with gov spooks and private intel analysts.
>datamnr
>open source
> 15000 a month
Lulz good product placement
>LDR PrepHole is crawling with gov spooks and private intel analysts.
Sometimes former freedom fighters and mercenaries. Bit of everything here on a good day.
>Just googled GSOC
What do private companies do with these? I can understand PMCs but I don't think any of those are in the Fortune 500. What would like, Walmart, do with them?
damn he ruined everything
A lot of contractors are ex-military because they turn around and do what they did while they were in. Getting a degree and such in data analytics and such is always good but going through the military puts you in a privilaged pipe-line that makes it easier to get in as well as having the government already pay for your TS/SCI which is key to getting into a lot of these positions.
It would probably help if you could just go and request getting an investigation done but I don't imagine you have $20-$30,000 to pony up.
>It would probably help if you could just go and request getting an investigation done but I don't imagine you have $20-$30,000 to pony up.
you get TS/SCI on behalf of a company. you can't just get it on your own.
Yes, I know. You can't initiate any request for a clearance unless someone does it for you. I was highlighting the fact that the investations are also expensive as well (and probalby more than what I mentioned) to emphasis going military makes it easier to get the clearance than trying to get highered as a civilian off the rip.
https://www.state.gov/security-clearance-faqs/
If in EU do not do it, low pay
t. humint
Can u tell me a humint story greentext
How did last years intel leak affect things?
Yes from the MIL side it was alot easier to kinda just browse TS/SCI stuff that u weren't personally working on. Real crazy shit was only need to know basis but u could always get some juicy shit and go down rabbit holes on jwics if u were bored chilling in the SCIF. Now if u haven't been read into the program u ain't seeing shit.
Snowden and manning leaks did far more damage, and they really tightened up need to know after that. I remember as an E-2 intel student at MOS school in 2012 looking at shit that I likely had no business looking up.
The discord leaks was the final nail in the coffin before that you could still kinda see some cool shit but now if u ain't read Into that program u can't see shit. If your job is boring like tracking fishing vessels or something that's all your gonna have access to.
Access got tighter, so you need to be read onto things you are directly working on now. It was a better scenario that it was just an autist that wanted his internet clout instead of a leaker who wanted leak for political reasons like Bradley Manning
An AI could handle all of this, preferably one kept in a submarine
>Eglin AFB Schizo still hasn't arrived
Dude must be asleep. No way he'd miss this one.
All source Anon here. I started in the army as a 35F, did one enlistment, went the contractor route, made great money overseas, switched over to the G route, money not quite as good but fantastic benefits, job security, etc.
To really address your question, becoming a contractor without mil experience is nearly impossible. I was the hiring manager for my company on the contract I was on and I promise your resume would not have made it into my interview pile without at least one enlistment. Also, it’s hard to get a clearance on your own without Gov/Mil help. You also need at least a CI poly for most jobs.
There are some letter agencies that would hire you out of college. DIA is pretty easy to get hired at, but you’ll start as like a GS-8 and I promise the guys who are veterans will look down on you a bit.
Good luck Anon, I love my job, if you like reading and writing all day and sitting through dry briefings, it’s the life.
Also, best advice I got, when I was a young analyst by an old hand I worked with. “A good intelligence analyst spends 20% of his time producing and 80% of his time reading.”
If you work in the field you will get what I mean, it’s full of idiots slapping together DIDs and storyboards that nobody reads, really smart people that know their subject matter inside and out get the respect.
Currently a 35A looking to get out soon, do you think its worth it to go into contracting immediately or try to get into a 3 letter agency.
Both have pros and cons. Contracting pays really well if you go overseas, but you can get let go at any moment, you’re treated as a second class citizen to the government civilians you work with, and you’re always at the whim of the next contract not being as good as the one you’re on.
The pros are money, freedom of movement, and more selection in what you do.
If you’re a single guy, contracting is great, if you have a family, I’d go the G route.
That graphic misses what may be the most important role of an intel desk jockey: posting on reddit.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kT9bdbDQ72Y
LARP,
Reddit is blocked on G/Mil computers.
Woops.
I've applied for positions like this at DHS and FEMA four times. Twice I received emails saying I was among the most qualified candidates but would not necessarily get an interview because furloughed government employees and ex-military personnel get pushed to the head of the line.
I am going to MEPs next week and the Navy Reserve recruiter told me that she could get me into Navy Intel because of my Poli Sci and masters in IR. How can I maximize my prospects only being a reservist? Can I use my officer position to work for an alphabet soup or contractor with my "weekend warrior" drills after my 18-24 month intel school? The Coast Guard wants me too but they don't guarantee intel