https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/naval-group-bags-contract-for-two-scorpene-evolved-submarines
Together, France and Indonesia are exerting punishment on Australia for AUKUS betrayal as well as deterrence against China
The best part is that Indonesia will have both boats by 2027 long before Ausfalia sees its first secondhand Virginia yet alone the actual next gen SSN in 2040 lmaooooooo
>Indonesians having a fricking stroke over the existence of Australia
I mean I'd be more worried about China, mate.
To be fair, Straya literally sabotaged their first frigate, funding their separatist and generally being c**t to them first.
>the c**ts are still whinging that they got fricked up for murdering civilians
But they know Aus will never do any worse than aid their enemies. China would straight up roll them over if they felt like it.
>As reported by Janes in March, Naval Group has partnered with the French government's Directorate General of the Treasury to fully fund the programme via three sources of loans.
>These include a credit facility with France's Banque publique d'investissement and a direct loan from the Directorate General of the Treasury, which would fund up to 85% of Naval Group's portion of the contract.
So same story as the Indonesian Rafale sale, basically France being so desperate to stick it to Australia that they are giving it away for free?
Well done Frogs, well done
being this moronic
military hardware is like selling a car, you can make as much or more money on the financing of the car as you can on the car it's self
what the indoneasians are doing is going into debt to a french institution to buy their subs and those french institutions are going to ask for 6% to 8% return which is higher than just keeping it invested in france. Why at least 6%? because that's the % of interest the indonesians have to give on their own obligations
The goal is to sell a loan, not the boat.
Large MICs operate like this, you wouldn't get it.
>France giving away subs
I get that it’s a payoff, but for what? Is it really just wanting to screw Australia somehow? I don’t get it.
Indog seethe?
I'm generally pro-frog equipment, but they need to stop selling that old shit, and offer the Shortfin instead. The Scorpenis has been thoroughly leaked throughout the years (I think it's the most leaked piece of militech), meaning any potential adversary knows its real combat capabilities.
Hopefully these don't implode on you like that other one you bumblefricked.
Nanggala, the Indonesian Submarine sank because of faulty South Korean maintenance process. Indonesian no longer trust South Korean products after the loss of KRI Nanggala Which DSME blamed on Indonesian until defects were found on ALL of ROKN's KSS II Type 214 . South Korean, allege that loss of Nanggala was due to Indonesian. Despite the fact that defects have been found in every single one of South Korea's locally built submarines, and since Indonesia become submarine operators in 1960s, it only had one catastrophic sub accident with the sinking of KRI Nanggala which was overhauled by.....South Korea in 2012
How has indonesia managed to piss off every nation? China, Australia, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, India, Netherlands, NewZealand, US and the one country South Korea that gave them a chance they piss off too…arguably the least trusted nation on the planet, glad the French are fricking over the indogs selling these comically outdated boats while laughing all the way to the bank, in all seriousness does indonesia have any allies anymore that are mutually trusted?
It's a goddamn mystery
Imagine targeting both Philippines and Australia with ballistic missiles.
Surprised America hasn't glassed them yet.
>Surprised America hasn't glassed them yet.
That was the job of F-111s. how far we have fallen since then
F-111 was never dared to be used against Indonesia. Meanwhile Indonesian Air Force once flew one of the Tupolev Tu-16 all the way to Alice Springs during Operation Dwikora
>Meanwhile Indonesian Air Force once flew one of the Tupolev Tu-16 all the way to Alice Springs during Operation Dwikora
Is this one of those thirdie copes like when Argentina on North Korea claims to have sunk ships they never even scratched?
Alice Springs is a one kangaroo town smack dab in the middle of the outback nowhere who's primary claim to fame these days is being a tourist jumping off point for visiting Ayers Rock, sorry Uluru
I don't know what he's on either
glue, probably
I'm aware of Alice Springs, friend of mine had a gap year job there stopping abos breaking in to tourist coaches. This is an eye opener for me, I've always struggled to place Australia's strategic role in SEA because I never realised Indonesians were this fricking deranged.
>what is Pine Gap
This does not mean that Indonesia automatically threatens the sovereignty of neighboring countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and others, but we also have the right to be able to defend our own country with Khan as one of the defense equipment with a deterrence effect.
Indonesia is a neo-empire of 2 Islamic islands (who are also rivals) ruling over the outlying ones with an iron fist. They are terrified and paranoid that one of their neighbors will grab some matches and set the tinderbox ablaze.
They think if they act like tough guys no one will mess with them, but in reality it's the US saving their asses behind the scenes because they don't want to deal with the clusterfrick that would ensue.
> buys frog boats
> both chinese and australians celebrating while laughing in their usual superiority complex towards indogs
I would like indonesia to have a competent and decently equipped military, especially their navy. we are likely to have shared interests in the region for quite a while. a few more subs between china and australia is not going to be a bad thing.
The only shared interest Australia and Indonesia have is against China. Other that that, Australia's interference in Indonesia's domestic affairs (Papua and in the past Timor Timur) alignment with the US and Zionist is an affront to Indonesia's regional leadership and "bebas aktif" (independent and active) nonaligned foreign policy. Australian is also not fully trusted by Indonesia and to a lesser extent Malaysia because they've made it clear they would side with Singapore against Malaysia and with Singapore/Malaysia against Indonesia if it came down to a conflict.
If Australia wants good relations with Indonesia it needs to stop acting as American deputy sheriff and sucking up to Israel
>read first maybe 5 words
>get a feeling it's a schizo post
>next sentence is "US and Zionist"
Indonesians are so tiring.
Looking at how the US turns a blind eye to Israelis killing women and children, Indonesians fear they would be treated similarly to Palestinians if there were conflicts, for example, between Indonesia and Australia.
Historically, Indonesia has been mistreated by the US and Australia before. Indonesian has more realistic view of relationship with Superpower.
Here we go, these guys seethe about israelitestan but present their butts to the chinks while CCP massacre ragheads.
Indo’s kills, rapes and is generally shit to Papuans
>Based and they deserved it, frick you Bruce we will take your womens >:)
Jews kills, rapes and is generally shit to Palestinians
>REEEEEEE! This is not based, frick you Bruce don’t frick my women REEEEEE!
>:(
Top fricking Kek
China is committing genocide on Muslims and none of you hypocrites give a shit. You should all just shut up and have a nice day.
What the hell does Indonesia have to do with Israel?
>alignment with the US and Zionist is an affront to Indonesia's regional leadership and "bebas aktif" (independent and active) nonaligned foreign policy
eat a fricking dick, terrorist
What interest does Indonesia have around Israel? There is no overlap at all. God, thirdies are fricking exhausting.
where are your nuke subs aussie bros?
I think it's sad that Indonesians have this idea they have a rivalry with Australia when nobody here thinks about Indonesia whatsoever unless it's a bogan fantasising about his next trip to Bali.
I think about them and livestock exports quite a bit, but that is outside the remit of this board
Are you talking about how our government screwed up beef sales to Memedonesia by accusing them of animal cruelty?
In a single pic, the real reason for AUKUS... to contain INDONESIA, not CHINA... it also massively expands the USA's presence in the Indian Ocean beyond Diego Garcia... but AUSTRALIA will disappear from the chart forever... soon to be past their use-by date as a G20 economy
Without western alliances, Indonesia can take over Australia easily. Indonesia is growing 2 times faster than australia, thats why its military ranking keeps increasing, and australia stays the same forever. australia is one of the reasons Indonesia stays neutral between western countries and russia+china.
without australia's presence, Indonesia will be ally of the west.
No because you suck Hamas and Hezbollah dick. You should be ditched like the pakis and let's hope the chinks do to you what they are doing to the uyghurs.
These anons are absolutely correct in that the indo gov't is genuinely moronic to care about some hajis halfway 'round the world, while a shitton of "their people", much closer geographically, routinely get their livers harvested to replace the baijiu-rotten cirrhotic sponges of CCP apparatchiks.
>projection
lmao
Indonesia has been "projected" since the 80s when they were labelled an "Asian Tiger", guess how that turned out
You know how all these economists who are desperate for expanding their portfolios of investment have hyped all these countries with terms suchs as BRICS, the "asian tigers", the "pacific pumas" and so on, not having 3 kids out of 5 dying before reaching 10 years isn't some awesome technological breakthrough or Allah suddenly declaring "your time has come", but your own rulers doing the bare minimum you would expect in a real developed country.
>all these economists who are desperate for expanding their portfolios of investment have hyped all these countries
hype is right, but they're not actually putting money into it, they're not that stupid
they're just talking shit about what could be potentially be done if these countries actually unfrick themselves, but they don't really believe it, it's just bullshit to meet KPIs for work done
>t. quant
Yeah I know, the money often comes from the very brave (they just like the thrill, basically casino gamblers), stupid(wide-eyed "socialists" with a major dosis of white guilt) or malicious(people who know they can stablish sweatshops for peanuts) or a mix of these three. To keep it on military matters the level of corruption seen in countries such as these warrant you can't take them at face value, unless western elements are heavily involved and checking no palm is greased you more often than not will end with these armies reenacting the kyiv feint, and even then there is a limit to how much you can do yo stop them from routing
>Australia on the chart since 1980
>Indonesia magically appears in 2050
wowee
Not really.
There is just 250 million Indonesians so Australians (who are cowardly to begin with) are constantly in a state of near panic.
Because numeric superiority worked quite well for the chinese and so many other civilizations, eh?
Having a lot of people accounts for nothing if they are just morons who can barely praise Allah and sing the national anthem while being a burden to social care.
M8 we are the reason your country exists, we were the ones who forced the Dutch not to split you up at independence, we also train your military and give you free foreign aid.
The only time we had a conflict you tried to invade Malaysia and a handful of our special forces whipped you back to Jakarta.
You guys need to settle down and just listen to some Gamelan and stop seething over imaginary slights.
This, Indonesia is not an enemy to anyone except certain parts of the federal government, maybe parts of the NT government, and the military on a contingency planning basis. The average person in Sydney has absolutely no hard feelings towards Indonesia and would freak out if Albanese randomly announced a bombing campaign of Jakarta.
Like frick just stop seething. Maybe focus your hatred on the real enemy in the region, China?
>we were the ones who forced the Dutch not to split you up at independence
Kinda shit decision tee bee eych famalampai. Pre-Dutch Indonesia was just a bunch of individual sultanates who only loosely cooperated with each other. The natural state of affairs would have been to return the colonies to their original political configuration. Borneo and New Guinea should've been contiguous separate countries, at the very least, instead of the current split.
I'm more sheep than cattle but yeah, live and unalive exports.
>2027
Not a chance.
Incredible. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that the completion year was at least in the article, even if it was total horseshit. It's not. It isn't even anywhere online. Ban Indo IPs.
>Scorpene
didn't the pajeets leak some shit about it very publicly the other time?
>Jeets shitting on Scorpene
Do tell.
>The leaked DCNS data details … what frequencies they gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds and their diving depths, range and endurance — all sensitive information that is highly classified. The data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy. It also discloses magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data as well as the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system. It details the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, the noise specifications of the propeller and the radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.
>Vice-Admiral A.K. Singh, a retired Indian submariner who served as head of the Eastern Naval Command, told The Wire that, in his view, 'this has saved the Chinese and Pakistanis 20-30 years of espionage'.
Aussies will never get their subs.
lmao no one even remembers that Indonesians even exist.
These threads are so fricking weird. I hope this guy is just a schizo and that Indonesians in general don't actually waste their time seething about Australia.
>I hope this guy is just a schizo and that Indonesians in general don't actually waste their time seething about Australia.
mate, Indonesians are the biggest cancer of Asian defence forums, they take over every single unmoderated comment space with their INDO STRONK INDO STRONK INDO STRONK horseshit. the only reason why these threads are limited as it is, is that only one turdie from the region appears to have discovered PrepHole, and he keeps posting these as it is. they're worse than pajeets; at least pajeets are lazy. indogs are fanatical.
I can assure you some of them do. They got fricked up East Timor by the SASR, they tried to get "militias" to fight the SASR and got fricked up and couldn't actually bring the Indonesian Army in properly because it'd provoke a war. The ADF was ready to properly commit forces to the area too, the SASR was just brought in because they were easy to move into the mountains via helicopter. They've been seething ever since.
I think East Timor really spooked them because it showed some actual Australian regional leadership and willingness to commit both diplomatic and military resources to do some good in the region, and managing a good result with the backing of basically the entire world.
It's not just rivalry, it's a massive stain on the self-image to those of a nationalistic leaning. Makes it much harder to self-soothe with insisting the ADF is strictly a puppet of US interests or the like, too.
Oh for sure, I think Indonesian nationalists have a problem with Australia because we're basically a little microcosm of American/British/French values right next to them with an outrageously good terrain for defense and a huge military and economy for our population. Us being like "no, you can't just kill civilians attempting to secede from you" is terrifying to them.
It's also got to sting to be the bad guys in an event that pretty much everyone else considers one of the most unambiguously good things they've ever done.
Oh yeah, another thing that scares them I think is the fact that they weren't able to project power in "their own country" while we were. The RAAF, nowadays, can sortie stealth fighters from Amberley, maybe even Melbourne if the pilots are on stimulants, and there's precisely frick all the Indonesians can do about it.
I think you're all forgetting the time Soekarno tried to knock over the rest of Borneo and the Commonwealth whaled on them big time
the Indons have been seething about RAAF F-111s basically being able to put bombs anywhere in the country they like with impunity for decades, and just when they think they've closed the gap with 4.5-gen F-16Vs and Rafales, the RAAF tool up with seventy F-35s backed by F-18 Growlers which everybody knows will sweep the SEA skies clear, Rafale or no Rafale
that's a lot of decades of turdie mudslime seethe here.
Yeah, I don't think a lot of people realise how wild it is that the RAAF operates more fifth gens than fourth gens now.
The downside is that they're gimped Block 3 models and not the Block 4 models that are only in production this year, inshallah
Block 4 is where all the sexy stuff is at, plus better hardware for more ISR and EW power, plus Sidekick for 50% more weapons carriage
I think us having two operational LHDs with well trained army formations to operate from them is also seethe-worthy.
I'm still waiting to hear an F-35 in person. Apparently they scream like autistic children, instead of the ear piercing roar you get from the hornets/super hornets.
Can't we just overhaul them to Block 4+? I haven't been keeping up with the F-35's development. I know the ones we have can carry JDAMs and AIM-120Ds, which is really all you'll need to properly mating press the Indonesians.
They have six Korean-designed LPDs
No, it's always been the sword of Damocles of airpower the RAAF held over them that makes them seethe the most
>Can't we just overhaul them to Block 4+
that would involve replacing the hardware and probably rebuilding the fuselage as well (the weapon bays and the stuff around it is built different), which will be expensive
the US is going to do that, but we all know they can afford everything
and even then the retrofit itself is problematic
>the ones we have can carry JDAMs and AIM-120Ds, which is really all you'll need
it's good, but Block 4 adds the real war-winning EW capability into production airframes and LRASM instead of just Paveway, which is really important for the maritime strike mission
when people rave about the F-35's electronic warfare capabilities, they're talking about Block 4 stuff which is present on prototypes but not in production yet
>They have six Korean-designed LPDs
Yeah but we're a tenth of the population.
>that would involve replacing the hardware and probably rebuilding the fuselage as well (the weapon bays and the stuff around it is built different), which will be expensive
Hmm. I wonder if it'd be possible to trade them with an ANG squadron later on. Who knows.
>and LRASM instead of just Paveway,
That's a big deal actually yeah. Maybe they can retrofit it?
>they're talking about Block 4 stuff which is present on prototypes but not in production yet
What sort of stuff are we talking about though?
>Yeah but we're a tenth of the population
Not very relevant, mate
>I wonder if it'd be possible to trade them with an ANG squadron later on
At best the burgers might offer a discount on the retrofit
>Maybe they can retrofit it?
They can but the retrofit itself is also in trouble
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/04/pentagon-delays-f-35-retrofits-amid-upgrade-woes/
>What sort of stuff are we talking about though?
A brand new radar, more EW arrays, better processors and datalinks, and higher throughput overall are the announced improvements. obviously they're rather hush hush about it. but I'm sure you can imagine it as akin to downloading more RAM and getting fibre optic instead of broadband.
It's also nice to carry six weapons instead of four, and have LRASM and MALD-type electronic decoys instead of just 500lb glide bombs.
but F-35s beat Growlers. it's just a function of the inverse square law.
To be fair on the EW thing, we already have Growlers for that role. Obviously it'd be nice to have more choices, but if I was the RAAF I'd be more interested in looking at weapons bay refits only.
today i was just switching a show for my kid and an ad came on for buildsubmarines.com
fricking bizarre, im in the midwest near no large source of water unless they want to float this shit down the mississip
were certainly going to start making them for someone
frick indonesia. Freedom for new guinea.
It is the US that needs Indonesia, not the reverse