>Raiders always win otherwise you wouldn't be speaking English right now
You're confusing the "team" with the individual.
MOST raiders lose. The ones that don't immediately die usually set up shop and start prepping for when more raiders show up.
Imagine thinking that the instant and natural resolution of a chaotic societal upheaval is not the small scale Warlord state, where any "non participants" like bug-outers and raiders don't immediately fall in line or get flayed alive and turned into signposts.
Dont the prepper s have main character syndrome? They meticulously plan for some out there crazy future event and they think they can stick it out alone or something then their autistic ass gets their head caved in by some normies with baseball bats after they sleep alone with no one on watch cause #lonesurvivorprepperchad
There are hurricanes where I live. Having several weeks worth of consumables is extremely well advised. After 2020 preparing for shortages is also hardly a fringe expectation.
Saying >Oh ehm gee I'm gonna be a sneakyboi and kill a bunch of people and take their stuff because my illeat larper8or skills are so much better than anyone else
Or thinking you are going to be doing room clearing is >Main character syndrome
Epitomized.
>I'M GONNA RAAAID
You are going to be a loner scavenger. You are a roach larping as a Viking.
Raiders were always filled with the deadweight of society that could only provide value by dying or stealing from some faraway place; lead by a few of the bored elites looking for excitement. No, you are not the main character and get to lead everyone else. There are no saves or redoes. If somehow you become a raider; you are going to be the dead weight cannon fodder for an already established gang if they don't preemptively kill you first. Also, the threat of the rule of law stopping you from being a Black person is sad as frick.
[...] >Bosnia
we have all seen the fake Bosnia larp pasta. There are other examples we could take. I like what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans as an example that is more recent and answers some of the questions on what people would do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_New_Orleans#Aftermath
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the stereotypical preppers are usually schizo but preparing for anything puts you in a better position if something bad happens. being wrong only wastes money for the prepper.
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This. Have a few weeks of consumables is a great idea. Unfortunately, everyone here thinks that having a few preps means you are the schizo with the underground bunker. apparently, there cannot be a middle ground between bunker schizo and completely unprepared.
When New York City got hit by a hurricane the news had this sob story about how they ran out of food on day 1 after they finished the leftover pizza. Don't be this moronic.
Dig a little deeper into most "preppers" and see they have anti-social motivations. We need more people like Nancy Pelosi tbh: >Makes vatniks seethe >Makes the CCP seethe >Makes larpers/preppers/jan 6ers seethe
The three main threats to our democracy btw
Btw here she is passing an Assault Weapons Ban just 48 hours before boarding the plane to Taiwan
>"Today, our Democratic Majority will take up and pass the Assault Weapons Ban legislation: a crucial step in our ongoing fight against the deadly epidemic of gun violence in our nation," Pelosi said in a letter to members of her caucus ahead of the vote.
Seething bugman, vatnik, of larper? Doesn’t matter which one, you will all be dealt with by the US Military under leadership like Nancy Pelosi who makes you SEETHE like a madman.
Btw here she is passing an Assault Weapons Ban just 48 hours before boarding the plane to Taiwan
>"Today, our Democratic Majority will take up and pass the Assault Weapons Ban legislation: a crucial step in our ongoing fight against the deadly epidemic of gun violence in our nation," Pelosi said in a letter to members of her caucus ahead of the vote.
You can raid if you want but most people won't have even 2 weeks of food in their house. Half the country is literally already one paycheck away from going homeless/starving. Don't piss away your good fortune on betting it to last.
I've been to literally thousands of estate sales, two had emergency food stores with a closet full of dehydrated food, one had a baker bucket, everyone else had between a weeks and a days worth of pantry items. There isn't enough out there for you to loot.
Why prep? Prep for what? Economic collapse? Just buy gold. People who had gold saved up in Weimar Germany had an unlimited quantity of prostitutes to frick.
Can you eat gold? Can you burn it for warmth? Can it shelter you from exposure to the elements? Can it stop a man who is on the verge of starvation from killing and eating you?
There will be a time once more for warlords and kings to wear pretty trinkets on their fingers and heads. But that will come after.
This time you imagine when gold has no value, it has never happened. Not in periods of mass starvation, not in sieges, not in social collapses and revolutions, it never happens.
>Can you eat gold?
You can buy food with gold. >Can you burn it for warmth
You can buy firewood with gold. >Can it shelter you from exposure to the elements?
You can buy a house with gold. >Can it stop a man who is on the verge of starvation from killing and eating you?
You can pay him to frick off with gold. (Or kill him first)
Precious metals becomes the back up currency when fiat money collapses.
You're looking at the supplies vs. gold issue the wrong way, think of it like investing. Sure, gold will be used as a trade good, it always has been. But the problem is it's pretty damn valuable right now, and as an average Joe I can't get much of it. Today an ounce of gold is $1780, 1000 rounds of .223 is about $450, and 200 lbs of rice is about $100. Sure you could buy a hundred Krugerrands and try to buy your way out of whatever comes up, but the prepper is hoping with some judicious purchases now he can spend a lot less and end up with the same value.
Even in those games, individualism is never rewarded. The guys who end up running those servers are nolifers with big clans and NAPs across multiple other clans. Even if you could kill any 3 random zerglings from their clan you are never going to defend a base from all of them at all hours of the day.
Your survival in a post breakdown society is going to depend on having some useful attribute that you can leverage against some community or organization near you that is able to defend you from external threats and then negotiating some kind of agreement with that group or joining them outright. Lone wolves are going to be shot like dogs in the wilderness with nobody left behind to even know that they are missing.
This guy though knows the real score. Having a robust and local social network is what you actually need, and you don't get that by having a stockpile, you get that by being seen as useful, trustworthy, and brave by the people around you. A weirdo coward in his basement isn't going to be loved by his community regardless of whether he's hoarding gold or lentils.
I don't strictly disagree that ammunition and food are better to store up, I'm only specifically disagreeing with the idea that metals wouldn't have *any* value.
Regarding gold. Exactly who are supposed to be able to give back change when gold is use to pay anything. Your friendly, honest neighborhood israelite?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you will never be a post-apocalyptic banker
You would be swimming in fine dinners and pussy
2 years ago
Anonymous
Riddle me this, then? How much would you expect even one gold unit to be worth in a shtf situation?
2 years ago
Anonymous
In the middle of the worst part of Germany's collapse you still had people with little scales and israeliteeler's equipment sitting on store counters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Absolutely. But it was a nation collapsing, not the entire continent. A lot of Germans could and did go to other countries to cash in their gold and frequently stay there.
Oh, and a while later the israeliteeler types became the most hated group of the country and was hunted down. Also an interesting lesson.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not arguing that it's a fantastic thing to store up only that it will almost definitely have value.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you gold Black folk are just the boomer version of coin Black folk. WHO the literal frick outside of governments would give you anything for gold in a collapse homosexuals need to realize if you find the local merchant you’ll pay 3lbs of gold for a box of ammo or a pound of meat >hurr if i survived the collapse ill be rich!
take a page from a hobo book if you look like you have shit it’s gonna get stolen
2 years ago
Anonymous
He is not entirely wrong. A highly realistic SHTF scenario is that something bads happen in your area, but to get to a safer place you'll have to pay smugglers and bribe border cops. Ask millions and millions of refugees and migrants how useful it is to have easily hidden valuables during the voyage.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't suggest gold, but it will definitely have value >"OMG STOP SAYING BUY GOLD!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>later the israeliteeler types became the most hated group
This had already happened hundreds of years before. The nazis didn't invent antisemitism or pogroms, they weren't even the first ones in Europe.
Cowardism is frankly not a trait that gets you excluded from communities. If it was, a lot of people would be thrown out pretty much any society you can name. See a lot of brave people in your average church, elderly home, police station, JROTC, reddit group, rotary club? Braveness wasn't a requirement to join in any of those.
You're right that it doesn't get you kicked out of groups mostly, but it doesn't get you invited either. Certainly it's a lot less important in our current situation than it would be in a time of unrest. I also suppose it's true that most people aren't notably brave or notably cowardly.
>You're looking at the supplies vs. gold issue the wrong way, think of it like investing. Sure, gold will be used as a trade good, it always has been. But the problem is it's pretty damn valuable right now, and as an average Joe I can't get much of it. Today an ounce of gold is $1780, 1000 rounds of .223 is about $450, and 200 lbs of rice is about $100. Sure you could buy a hundred Krugerrands and try to buy your way out of whatever comes up, but the prepper is hoping with some judicious purchases now he can spend a lot less and end up with the same value.
i'd never thought about it like that, thanks anon
>Can you eat gold?
You can buy food with gold. >Can you burn it for warmth
You can buy firewood with gold. >Can it shelter you from exposure to the elements?
You can buy a house with gold. >Can it stop a man who is on the verge of starvation from killing and eating you?
You can pay him to frick off with gold. (Or kill him first)
Precious metals becomes the back up currency when fiat money collapses.
I’m not taking the raider side, but it definitely is worth knowing that most preppers are anti-social schizoids and don’t collaborate with their neighbors. Those are the ones you want to raid
You know, I find the people that are hoping and/or preparing for the apocalypse really fricking stupid and there's a whole variety of logical reasons for that sound conclusion:
If we were to actually find ourselves in a long term, shit hit the fans scenario, it ain't going to be pleasant. There will be no working electronics assuming it's an EMP type SHTF situation and even if it ain't, most of those electronics won't either work or they won't last for long without power. There will be no toilet paper for you to wipe your asses with and you're going to have to resort to using newspapers and then something even less pleasant than that once it runs out. Also, there will be few if any potential allies in this new world. Chances are that the people that you'll probably encounter in this new environment will be individuals who have finally ditch the facade that they had to wear in the old world in order to not be punished for wanting to indulge in their inner dark desires. There will be fewer and fewer resources as time goes by due to various reasons, making your already hard life even harder. The most that you can hope to strive for is to continue drawing breath on this rock. If you try to go beyond that, then you're just becoming greedy and being greedy will get you kill. Forget about the past for it will do nothing to serve you in the present and forget about the future for it will never become the present. There is no peace, there is only war. There is no pleasure, there is only pain. There is no good, there is only evil. There is no light, there is only darkness. God is laughing, Satan is crying, Jesus is watching, and everybody is going to die...
>muh defeatism
you know that shit you describe its normal state of the world?
What we have right now in western world it's abomination and would not last for long
bored, apparently only this kind of people have time to actualy study history and current events.
Also i live in former soviet block nation so i have diffrent perspective than people living on fetirle and rich in resources soil sperated by desert, frosen wasteland and two fricking oceans from anyone else
>Study history
Lmao, study my dick you moron. Studying preindustrial history and trying to apply any of it to our current trajectory is quite possibly the most moronic shit one can do.
People who talk about oil “running out” haven’t got a fricking clue how much black gold sits under the earth just waiting for an increase of a few dollars per barrel to justify its exploitation. We’ll run out of fresh water long before we run out of oil.
>study history
study history when i can study bussy instead?gwhnv
> pre-industrial history
where i said about preindustrial history, Black person?
And outside your geopolitical tutorial tier paddling pool its important to know who, why and where can kill you, there are Pleces where cultures and opinions can change every hounded of kilometers and having wrong color of stripes can slpater your deepfried microplastick brain on the road
>Chances are that the people that you'll probably encounter in this new environment will be individuals who have finally ditch the facade that they had to wear in the old world in order to not be punished for wanting to indulge in their inner dark desires.
I don't think you get it. This is exactly why I want it to happen.
lmao speak for yourself m8
I prep by storing knowledge, I have detailed and explicit instructions (written by people far cleverer and more specialised than myself) on everything I need to build an industrial society using pre-industrial tools, materials and methods
You can go cry in the woods if you really want to, but don't complain to us when me and the boys turf you out and log it to build more ships for the second Age of Exploration
I would happily take the corner office space on a skull pyramid as long as it was pointing in the right direction to watch homosexuals being run over by chariots.
Most burgers these days are thinking a civil war as the apocalypse scenario. Things where due to wide spread secessionist hostilities gangs of democrat urbanites depopulate their shitpiles since they are unsustainable without pre war logistics. These locusts will disband in the countryside and start stealing/killing/poaching whatever they can find which, of course, creates a counter with rednecks organizing into militias repelling and hunting said locusts.
Nooks are low on the priority as everybody is sensing they are merely a security insurance that protects you from direct assault/regime change and gives you way bigger freedom in doing whatever the frick you want. Like Russhitia.
I think that these apocalypse scenarios are so unlikely that you may as well prepare for the zombie apocalypse, and it's a lot more rational to prepare for temporary scenarios such as riots or natural disasters. I am not sure raiding will do you a lot of good in the long run, since the rule of law is going to return sooner or later, and it's probably best to make friends with your neighbors and stock up for a few weeks of no water / electricity / food (and to defend yourself of course). And in any case, I am not sure that anyone can really prepare for every apocalypse scenario even if it happens. The sort of preparation that goes into surviving a regime change or the government targeting its civilians is going to be a lot different than one triggered by environmental catastrophe or nuclear holocaust. I think that underground bunkers are actually a really bad idea when you're dealing with some kind of invasion situation since you've got only one or maybe two entrances and no way to really defend yourself from being smoked out, and going innawoods is a much better call for that kind of situation.
My only 'bug out bag' is for wildfire. I live pretty deep in Colorado and MAN is it a real fricking issue. Then you gotta worry about your horses. It's a whole nightmare and I can't afford to prep for some bullshit 'civil war'.
More than one in five kids says they're gay now. Obviously most of those are lying but if you don't think that's a bad sign in and of itself you're moronic.
You can't just exponentially increase the proportion of useless, disease ridden kiddie diddlers forever and keep society running.
A society where huge numbers of people think they have to pretend to be pedo parasites just to get along is not going to peacefully restructure itself.
Yawn. You all act like humanity's greatest achievements weren't laid well before we even knew what electricity was. The fact that most humans are basically good for the sake of intra-tribe cooperation is precisely why there are no true collapses, at least on scales that could only be described as mass bloodlettings.
Thaaats right. Don't prepare for things. So cancel your house insurance, car insurance, remove the spare wheel from your car, throw your fire alarm and fire extinguisher in the garbage along with your first aid kit. Chad's don't need any of that, right?
It's not that expensive. But it is mainly an illustration. There's no closet unless you want to cramp in the sink, the water supplies needs to last for four persons, and there are neither heat nor cold measures taken. Considering how the surface seem scorched, I would rather not leave the room in an easily flammable suit or without even the most basic tools. Or gas masks for four...
Something like that, probably around $5k, but it's going to be a shitty existence for a single person, cramming a family down there is just prolonged suicide. Ideally you want at least that much space for each person, plus a common area, toiler, shower, and kitchen. Also room for books, a tv, and movies/games.
>inb4 stop being a pussy
Nobody ever seems to think about the psychological toll something like this would take. If you want to get an idea of just how bad it would be, take a couple weeks off from work, put blackout curtains on all of your windows. Put your phone on airplane mode, turn off your router, and unplug your cable if you still have it.
For two weeks, limit your water usage to 2 gallons per day, only turn one one electrical device at a time, and any time you use a heat-generating appliance shut off your a/c for the rest of the day. At no time are you allowed to go outside or open the curtains.
Now realize you'll be doing this in 1/4 of the space you did before and you'll also be dealing with the fact that life as you know it is over and pretty much everybody you know who isn't in the shelter with you is dead.
>Protip: Get a prescription for anti-depressants beforehand and stockpile. If you're in a metal death-tube like the pic in
https://i.imgur.com/Fyo4CIk.jpg
you will fricking die after the nukes drop while i sit in my cozy shelter and live the rest of my life. at least one of you is going to crack.
>magic air filter that would still be rendered useless in under an hour of ashfall >no toilet
50's Americana was somehow so optimistic and so pessimistic at the same time.
>his knowledge of radiation comes from the fallout series
radiation goes away after a few weeks at most moron, most places will only be afew days if that.
>Use my last living moments to have earth-shaking radiation shits right on top of Anon's air filters. >Slowly slip into the abyss, one ear on the ground, while I hear the retching and screaming of Anon's homosexual family as the last air they breathe is my diarrhea vapor.
Protip: humans are more likely to be cooperative than they are antagonistic (1). Always.
Ultimately, SHTF scenarios are unrealistic. Localised crises are likely to increase in quantity, and decreasing efficiency of production will doubtless increase resource competition. If you're relatively poor, you're likely going to have the hardest time, but you're also likely to have the largest social network (2).
Point being, raider-strategy doesn't get you the most unless you're already powerful enough to feed and arm your supporters. It's the kind of larpy fantasy that goes to bed when someone gets an infected splinter or dermatitis from unwashed clothing.
>humans are more likely to be cooperative than they are antagonistic
I think a lot of anons dont get this, as they were blackpilled by games like DayZ, Rust, and Hardcore Minecraft survival server. Not to forget the purge movies either. Communities and groups will coalesce in time over similar values and shared interests. You’ll likely have medieval style governments with local Dukes militia protecting the serfs from the raiding buttholes from Ginsberg
Even in those games, individualism is never rewarded. The guys who end up running those servers are nolifers with big clans and NAPs across multiple other clans. Even if you could kill any 3 random zerglings from their clan you are never going to defend a base from all of them at all hours of the day.
Your survival in a post breakdown society is going to depend on having some useful attribute that you can leverage against some community or organization near you that is able to defend you from external threats and then negotiating some kind of agreement with that group or joining them outright. Lone wolves are going to be shot like dogs in the wilderness with nobody left behind to even know that they are missing.
Preppers would "survive". But "Raiders" would be the ones to rebuild civilization... because they manage to get enough of a crew and consolidate enough resources to actually settle down at a point and create something of a "social hierarchy" so a new society can re-establish itself.
Most Raiders would likely not even be greedy or anything but more like "we need seeds to plant farms. These guys have seeds. They are unwilling to trade those seeds with us even though they aren't using them/we think they are wasting them. We will take the seeds by force!"
Ultimately Preppers only buy themselves time... time they can use to decide which "Raider" group/settlement to join up with. And use the resources they hoarded or skills they learned to get themselves intop a nice position.
Raiders can't farm for shit. But you are on to something; it's not the solo guys but the groups that will take local power. The functioning police stations, the army units, the mormons, the amish, the tightly run church communities. Those are the groups with the discipline and knowledge to rebuild. They are also the ones who will eradicate the raider units.
Police are a big one. I would expect county sheriff and city police depts to be THE major force in any sort of larp-tier SHTF breakdown, by virtue of their organization, connection with local community and equipment.
Well, not so much that imho. What cops care about is their families and in a real emergency I think we all expect them to abandon their posts to take care of their own. But that's on day one. Within a week I do expect many them to have brought their families to the station because that is the safest option for them. They won't fight for the community or for the badge or for the pension, but they will fight for their one safe bunker. It will be logical for them to team up shortly with other groups considered reliable.
Well, not so much that imho. What cops care about is their families and in a real emergency I think we all expect them to abandon their posts to take care of their own. But that's on day one. Within a week I do expect many them to have brought their families to the station because that is the safest option for them. They won't fight for the community or for the badge or for the pension, but they will fight for their one safe bunker. It will be logical for them to team up shortly with other groups considered reliable.
It could be a matter of them but even being able to get to work like Katrina. I was stranded in Hurricane Sandy and no coppers were around and the natives next door were circling like sharks and I was the only gungay in a 125 unit building. Free rent for me! Plus my work truck wasn’t going anywhere.
I’d love to hear more about your experience. I dealt with Harvey and aside from driving over some bridges no one should have been driving over and running the risk of flooding my beater truck a few times in order to pick up my dad from a church shelter, I spent most of the post hurricane shitfest drinking Lone Star and waiting for the power to come back on. I had my AR-15 propped in the corner next to my bed, ready to rock for about a week or so though I figured if any honor roll students came looking for restorative justice I’d probably hear the screams of my much wealthier neighbors and have enough time to don my poorgay battle rattle. Plus I had a few neighbors at the time that were gun owners so our building was not entirely dependent on me for defense.
You know what I never get about preppers is that they are all alone. In the face of widespread breakdown of civilisation it would be communities that will become the new points of stability, preppers will be killed off quick. 10 pairs of eyes are better than two as are 20 hands. You can share skills collaborate and I don’t fricking know so all the things our ancestors did to build a tribe then a nation. Preppers are the tribal nomads of the apocalypse who will be snuffed out by the infinitely superior sedentary agrarian chads. Just like before.
Or to put in one way who wins, 1 larper in his bunker or hungry Tyrone and his 20 buddies who just looted a police station, cos I know who my toilet paper is betting on.
No one is posting the obvious benefit of being a raider. After the apocalypse hits you can form a group of your kind and finally settle old scores with those you hate. Maybe that land my family was screwed out of generations ago is mine now because I'm killing whoever lives there now and taking it. Why hold back on things like that in a situation like this?
Others will do nothing because I'm not interested in them I'm settling the score and taking what belongs to me and my clan. They can get over it or they can die trying to stop me. I don't want their shit and they won't stop me. If they try I will rape their women.
The only guy I know who is openly a pepper is a fat ass dating a busted single mother. His load out is a single shot .300 win mag and a taurus revolver.
Everyone knows the mormons are going to inherit the earth when SHTF. >they all know each other and share interests and common goals >they literally already have a plan in place >they all prep >they will raid non-mormons >they once fought and won against the government due to their perseverance and religious beliefs that they are righteous and are willing to die for what they want >now they infest 3 letter agencies >the church owns farmland and knows how to farm and garden >most males are eagle scouts with survival skills >a lot are avid hunters and/or ranchers >but we can't expect God to do all the work
if you're not tight with your mormon neighbors and have something of value to offer them, you're fricked. And you better have a wife and at least be Christian or they won't trust you around their tribe.
People in this thread think that either side will
Dominate the other but in reality your going to need both numbers and prepper supplies.
Both will be fricked in their own special way unless said prepper is so well hidden no one can get to them or the raiders come across the best of arms and food.
Not to mention in a post apocalyptic scenario the raiders will have to constantly discipline and keep each other in check to avoid infighting and treason.
Your numbers are both a strength and weakness.
As for the Prepper he must at least know how to survive without his supplies or how to hunt/collect food off of his homestead.
Mind you in a world of witch humanity very likely already stripped the nature and rurallands clean of fauna and flora in a desperate attempt to survive their fate.
What are you moron prepping to? Just get an solid education and/or work skill and just leave the country for some safe place when shit hits the fan lmao.
>just leave the country when the solar flare EMPs the entire planet
No but seriously I'm prepping food and water because modern paycheck to paycheck society can't last forever. Heat refugees slurping up all supplies or wars creating shortages are very real possibilities. Sooner or later this shit is going to fail. I don't think we'll ever go full blown Fallout tier apocalypse (at least in my lifetime) but having a just a few weeks or months worth of supplies can get you through stuff like empty grocery stores or tyrannical lockdowns (like the ones wolrd governments were experimenting with for covid)
Refusing to keep backup food and water is just plain moronic.
I am a T1 diabetic so when SHTF I am doomed anyway. Post your address and I will come to yours during the apolcalypse before ketoacidosis and act as a crazed berserker intent on ripping you and your loved ones apart, if I win I get your pancreas if you win you get the thrill and rush of prepping accordingly paying off.
you can't prep your way out of having your house bulldozed or the entrance to your bunker buried.
when marines in fallujah were clearing the city, house by house, they didn't do le ebin CQB in 50 fricking houses a day, clearing even one building will smoke you.
not to mention it takes an entire squad with lots of training at a bare minimum.
no. when you deal with an enemy in a fortified structure, you destroy the structure.
first you give a warning, that you will kill them. obviously you want their resources intact if possible.
if they don't comply, you blow a hole in the wall to create your own entrance,
and then you bayonet the now fallen and stunned enemy.
if that doesn't work, lots of hand grenades will.
this is basically how real urban warfare works. first you go "soft" with traditional room clearing.
simply to save your resources. when you get contact, the gloves come off.
oh, you set up your house with sandbags, claymores, and a month's food supply?
well i'm just gonna burn your house down and shoot whoever runs out.
you do not have the budget, the skills, the manpower, the land, or the resources to play defense.
and that's just against a few crafty civilians.
you wanna bug in against the GOVERNMENT? have a nice day now.
Yes, you're a schizo for sitting there acting smug about a nonsensical circular logic argument you've set up based on nothing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>circular logic
you don't know what that means. ignoring legitimate threats will get you killed. there are bigger fish than you, they will not ignore you.
the government will tomahawk your ass and raiders will burn you alive.
no insurgent ever won by standing still.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The government will just tomahawk everyone
moron, in a situation of societal upheaval the global economy would crumple like a washing machine falling out of a fricking airplane.
American's have absolutely no idea what the rest of the world goes through just to get a bite to eat and a drink of water (Europe, Australia is America btw)
Lol none of you dudes will survive long in the backcountry
All this shit is cope
You’ll be dead if it really happens
You won’t survive multiple gunfights
You won’t know when to leave until everyone else does
You have no clue where to go anyway
I’ve never seen a hunter lug their shit more than 5 miles past a trailhead
You’re all easily spotted for various reasons
Even when you think you’re sneakily hiding
All this mental masterbation and waste of cash
Have fun dying with everyone else
I bet none of you could lug all your shit around for 20 miles + a day
You’re out of shape
>You won’t know when to leave until everyone else does >Leave
Black person my town is where you'd think you're leaving to, and we'd kill you and grind you into fricking fertilizer.
Based.
Prepping is fricking moronic and only useful for morons underground hiding from everything.
You need to be able to self sustain yourself at all times with kit on hand.
Exclusively white people butthurt over Spanish having gendered nouns, so they try to tell people how to speak their native language more inclusively. Like saying Latinx instead of Latino or Latina.
>I'M GONNA RAAAID
You are going to be a loner scavenger. You are a roach larping as a Viking.
Raiders were always filled with the deadweight of society that could only provide value by dying or stealing from some faraway place; lead by a few of the bored elites looking for excitement. No, you are not the main character and get to lead everyone else. There are no saves or redoes. If somehow you become a raider; you are going to be the dead weight cannon fodder for an already established gang if they don't preemptively kill you first. Also, the threat of the rule of law stopping you from being a Black person is sad as frick.
[...]
>Bosnia
we have all seen the fake Bosnia larp pasta. There are other examples we could take. I like what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans as an example that is more recent and answers some of the questions on what people would do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_New_Orleans#Aftermath
so that's schizo, but prepping for an apocalypse that will never happen isn't?
the stereotypical preppers are usually schizo but preparing for anything puts you in a better position if something bad happens. being wrong only wastes money for the prepper.
There are hurricanes where I live. Having several weeks worth of consumables is extremely well advised. After 2020 preparing for shortages is also hardly a fringe expectation.
Saying >Oh ehm gee I'm gonna be a sneakyboi and kill a bunch of people and take their stuff because my illeat larper8or skills are so much better than anyone else
Or thinking you are going to be doing room clearing is >Main character syndrome
Epitomized.
This. Have a few weeks of consumables is a great idea. Unfortunately, everyone here thinks that having a few preps means you are the schizo with the underground bunker. apparently, there cannot be a middle ground between bunker schizo and completely unprepared.
When New York City got hit by a hurricane the news had this sob story about how they ran out of food on day 1 after they finished the leftover pizza. Don't be this moronic.
Many such occasions here in Australia
(see; Button man, Malcolm Naden etc)
Bushanons who hunts and hike will do juuuuust fine down here, everyone else will be sneeding.
Hunting and hiking also allows you to discover where potable waterways are and where animals congregate.
Black person your moronic fantasies of living in the forest for months and months have got to stop. You arent even gonna last 2 weeks much less several months to a year, In an ACTUAL SHTF situation, your ass should stay PUT until it is literally impossible to survive at your location. And even then the fricking WOODS is the LAST place for your ass to go.
Black person who said i want to live in the woods. im allergic to everything. im pointing out the fact that a clever hermit in the wild like Forest Anon will outlast all these silica gel packet morons
Just come to the south island of New Zealand and we go on a billionaire safari/ BBQ.
We're gonna need some longrangers to deal with countermeasures....
When your wife sees you buying Oreos in bulk and owning tacti-cool camping gear you have never used out side of a campground you just prepping for her to leave you for her bull.
Sorry no nukes have dropped yet to wipe away your massive credit card debt and the child support payments to what probably is her bulls offspring.
>raiders try to step foot near me and my buddies compound >half of them immediately blown to smithereens from the countless booby traps we set in a pattern only we remember >remaining half gets tangled up in barbed wire and vietnamese poopstick traps, slowing them down for us to leisurely pick off with our .22lr pellets >imagine getting killed by a .22 lmao >they try to shoot back to no avail, due to our heavily fortified and concealed position as well as their meme "badass" .308 rifle >mow them all down >wait several hours for any potential stragglers or trickery >head out and loot their dead bodies >reset new booby traps >repeat until all brainlet raiders in 100 mile radius have died out from starvation or tripping over a rock and getting an infected wound
>Sizable amount of my savings has been converted into gold and silver bullion, which I keep in a safe. Specifically bullion so I don't get too attached to them, as I collect old coins. >Own a easy to maintain car and classic moped, requiring little fuel. >have a small .22 revolver that I keep on my person
That's it. Need water? I'll use the nearby creek. Food? Hunt rabbits. It really is that simple.
A lot of people are dumb, even if money loses its value people will still assume gold is something of value, even if it loses it. I will be able to convince people to get me shit in exchange for a small gold bar.
I fricking hate prepper culture. >Always over weight.un/fit/ >Always buys the most useless mall ninja gear that makes no sense in an apocalypse. Eg tactical bottle opener
Every prepper I've ever met is an over weight frick with a lost grip on reality. The especially stupid ones think zombies are a real possibility. Most never hunt or go PrepHole and just spend all day rambling about some overpriced gun they got to hypothetically protect there also fat b***h of a wife that no one would ever frick sober. If your health is so bad that u take regular prescriptions then why prep if your gonna die of high blood pressure in the first 30 days after an apocalypse.
When society rebuilds we need Chads and engineers with real skills, not these useless Walmart scooter drive who's only "skill" is stock pilling Twinkies.
>leaves house for the first time in months, apocalypse or not >the sunlight blinds him >spatial awareness not existent >walks onto somebody's property >shot and killed by some 5'9 65 year old with a .30-06 >bleeds out in full gear since he left his abdomen plates at home >he's too frail/weak to even use the abdomen plates he did buy >old man comes and collects gear at night time with his buddies drinking cheap beer
im under no illusion about prepping and the human condition. what i do know is that if the shtf and you live around Black folk their will be a race war
Step one is always to move to a 99% white community.
Pennsylvania is 99% white outside of Black personville, has a huge Amish community that will still be making food when the rest of America collapses, and has dirt cheap houses.
>main character syndrome bait
Pathetic.
Raiders always win otherwise you wouldn't be speaking English right now
When was the last time you and yours raided? Who really "won?"
You guys aren't raiders, you are rabid dogs in disguise. Rabid dogs get put down.
No they don't, they become the warrior class
they're speaking less and less english in england everyday
further proof of muslim raider victory
>Raiders always win otherwise you wouldn't be speaking English right now
You're confusing the "team" with the individual.
MOST raiders lose. The ones that don't immediately die usually set up shop and start prepping for when more raiders show up.
>otherwise you wouldn't be speaking English right now
>easiest language to learn
>no need to be perfect
>it's so simple everyone understands you
kek
Imagine thinking that the instant and natural resolution of a chaotic societal upheaval is not the small scale Warlord state, where any "non participants" like bug-outers and raiders don't immediately fall in line or get flayed alive and turned into signposts.
Bronze Age Collapse: main character Era
Yeah
Dont the prepper s have main character syndrome? They meticulously plan for some out there crazy future event and they think they can stick it out alone or something then their autistic ass gets their head caved in by some normies with baseball bats after they sleep alone with no one on watch cause #lonesurvivorprepperchad
have you heard the story of the ant and the grasshopper?
Shut up idiot everyone's seen bugs life
>Have extra food and ammo in case you're in a situation when those things are scarce
>"You think you're the main character stop"
There are hurricanes where I live. Having several weeks worth of consumables is extremely well advised. After 2020 preparing for shortages is also hardly a fringe expectation.
Saying
>Oh ehm gee I'm gonna be a sneakyboi and kill a bunch of people and take their stuff because my illeat larper8or skills are so much better than anyone else
Or thinking you are going to be doing room clearing is
>Main character syndrome
Epitomized.
All of histories most interest people had a terminal case of main character syndrome
>I'm special
You
Are
A
Nobody
Based rational poster
>t. Black person
if you are a prepper and live anywhere besides the middle of the woods you are genuinely moronic
Nah. If you're a prepper and not focused on hardening your abode and knowledgeable about making booby traps, you're moronic
Dig a little deeper into most "preppers" and see they have anti-social motivations. We need more people like Nancy Pelosi tbh:
>Makes vatniks seethe
>Makes the CCP seethe
>Makes larpers/preppers/jan 6ers seethe
The three main threats to our democracy btw
Based
Btw here she is passing an Assault Weapons Ban just 48 hours before boarding the plane to Taiwan
>"Today, our Democratic Majority will take up and pass the Assault Weapons Ban legislation: a crucial step in our ongoing fight against the deadly epidemic of gun violence in our nation," Pelosi said in a letter to members of her caucus ahead of the vote.
It's the carrier group behind her.
Seething bugman, vatnik, of larper? Doesn’t matter which one, you will all be dealt with by the US Military under leadership like Nancy Pelosi who makes you SEETHE like a madman.
shitlib
Post gun
found the predittor
>anti-social motivations
if being social means interacting with people like you id rather just eat a fricking bullet
Shalom, Dr. Transstein
I'm prepping.
I even picked up my mothballed (read soaked in Anticorrol) 90's Sako 75 in .300 Win Mag and upgraded it with a modern low light scope.
Greetings from Finland.
You can raid if you want but most people won't have even 2 weeks of food in their house. Half the country is literally already one paycheck away from going homeless/starving. Don't piss away your good fortune on betting it to last.
welcome to refridgeration kiddo, who has that much dried and canned when you can buy fresh
I've been to literally thousands of estate sales, two had emergency food stores with a closet full of dehydrated food, one had a baker bucket, everyone else had between a weeks and a days worth of pantry items. There isn't enough out there for you to loot.
there will be once you collect it all for me and my three friends: Cletus, Jamal, and Pedro
mustard gas is going to do a real number on you
I will defend my case of these and wedge of Parmesan
Why waste your time looting food when you can eat other people? Little folding saw would be ideal for a quick hack n dash if youre in a hurry
learn to break up joints with a knife anon, you can rough butcher a whole deer with a 4" knife, people are the same
Frick I still wish I had the version where it's the Chad Prepper and Virgin Raider. Might have to remake it.
Why prep? Prep for what? Economic collapse? Just buy gold. People who had gold saved up in Weimar Germany had an unlimited quantity of prostitutes to frick.
boomers really learned from the best
Can you eat gold? Can you burn it for warmth? Can it shelter you from exposure to the elements? Can it stop a man who is on the verge of starvation from killing and eating you?
There will be a time once more for warlords and kings to wear pretty trinkets on their fingers and heads. But that will come after.
>he doesn't know
give gold to anyone, they'll know its valuable
valuable? to who? the guy who's starving to death? currency of any kind is only valuable in a market where the necessities are solvent.
This time you imagine when gold has no value, it has never happened. Not in periods of mass starvation, not in sieges, not in social collapses and revolutions, it never happens.
There is ALWAYS a Warlord.
You're looking at the supplies vs. gold issue the wrong way, think of it like investing. Sure, gold will be used as a trade good, it always has been. But the problem is it's pretty damn valuable right now, and as an average Joe I can't get much of it. Today an ounce of gold is $1780, 1000 rounds of .223 is about $450, and 200 lbs of rice is about $100. Sure you could buy a hundred Krugerrands and try to buy your way out of whatever comes up, but the prepper is hoping with some judicious purchases now he can spend a lot less and end up with the same value.
This guy though knows the real score. Having a robust and local social network is what you actually need, and you don't get that by having a stockpile, you get that by being seen as useful, trustworthy, and brave by the people around you. A weirdo coward in his basement isn't going to be loved by his community regardless of whether he's hoarding gold or lentils.
I don't strictly disagree that ammunition and food are better to store up, I'm only specifically disagreeing with the idea that metals wouldn't have *any* value.
Regarding gold. Exactly who are supposed to be able to give back change when gold is use to pay anything. Your friendly, honest neighborhood israelite?
>you will never be a post-apocalyptic banker
You would be swimming in fine dinners and pussy
Riddle me this, then? How much would you expect even one gold unit to be worth in a shtf situation?
In the middle of the worst part of Germany's collapse you still had people with little scales and israeliteeler's equipment sitting on store counters.
Absolutely. But it was a nation collapsing, not the entire continent. A lot of Germans could and did go to other countries to cash in their gold and frequently stay there.
Oh, and a while later the israeliteeler types became the most hated group of the country and was hunted down. Also an interesting lesson.
I'm not arguing that it's a fantastic thing to store up only that it will almost definitely have value.
you gold Black folk are just the boomer version of coin Black folk. WHO the literal frick outside of governments would give you anything for gold in a collapse homosexuals need to realize if you find the local merchant you’ll pay 3lbs of gold for a box of ammo or a pound of meat
>hurr if i survived the collapse ill be rich!
take a page from a hobo book if you look like you have shit it’s gonna get stolen
He is not entirely wrong. A highly realistic SHTF scenario is that something bads happen in your area, but to get to a safer place you'll have to pay smugglers and bribe border cops. Ask millions and millions of refugees and migrants how useful it is to have easily hidden valuables during the voyage.
>I don't suggest gold, but it will definitely have value
>"OMG STOP SAYING BUY GOLD!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"
>later the israeliteeler types became the most hated group
This had already happened hundreds of years before. The nazis didn't invent antisemitism or pogroms, they weren't even the first ones in Europe.
Cowardism is frankly not a trait that gets you excluded from communities. If it was, a lot of people would be thrown out pretty much any society you can name. See a lot of brave people in your average church, elderly home, police station, JROTC, reddit group, rotary club? Braveness wasn't a requirement to join in any of those.
You're right that it doesn't get you kicked out of groups mostly, but it doesn't get you invited either. Certainly it's a lot less important in our current situation than it would be in a time of unrest. I also suppose it's true that most people aren't notably brave or notably cowardly.
>You're looking at the supplies vs. gold issue the wrong way, think of it like investing. Sure, gold will be used as a trade good, it always has been. But the problem is it's pretty damn valuable right now, and as an average Joe I can't get much of it. Today an ounce of gold is $1780, 1000 rounds of .223 is about $450, and 200 lbs of rice is about $100. Sure you could buy a hundred Krugerrands and try to buy your way out of whatever comes up, but the prepper is hoping with some judicious purchases now he can spend a lot less and end up with the same value.
i'd never thought about it like that, thanks anon
>Can you eat gold?
You can buy food with gold.
>Can you burn it for warmth
You can buy firewood with gold.
>Can it shelter you from exposure to the elements?
You can buy a house with gold.
>Can it stop a man who is on the verge of starvation from killing and eating you?
You can pay him to frick off with gold. (Or kill him first)
Precious metals becomes the back up currency when fiat money collapses.
>be starving
>some guy offers me a gold nugget to frick off
>still starving
???
>uses gold nugget to buy food
Try to keep up anon.
Where do you buy food, exactly? The local grocer?
From whoever has food. If that means the grocery store, then yes.
Even in periods of hyperinflation, revolution, and mass starvation in the last century, people were still trading gold.
>Can you eat gold?
Yes you can, gold leaf is in a lot of luxury drinks/food, it's completely safe to consume
he meant can you eat it for food, for sustenance
Yeah, I'm an alchemist, homosexual. This goddamn hylics
>Imagine actually prepping lmao
the preppers are going to be prepared with mustard gas
Raider W
I’m not taking the raider side, but it definitely is worth knowing that most preppers are anti-social schizoids and don’t collaborate with their neighbors. Those are the ones you want to raid
Plus, even if they don't PrEP you can kill them and it's still an overall win.
imagine wanting to survive longer than it would take to torture and butcher a few people after everything collapses
>imagine wanting to survive longer than it would take to RAPE a few people after everything collapses
-most prosocial /misc/ regular..
EDIT: I won't go back and you can't make me..
I prefer land pirates... filibusters.
Feel morally flexible man. Now we feast on tendies.
Imagine being an automated disinformation AI running in a server farm in Israel
You know, I find the people that are hoping and/or preparing for the apocalypse really fricking stupid and there's a whole variety of logical reasons for that sound conclusion:
If we were to actually find ourselves in a long term, shit hit the fans scenario, it ain't going to be pleasant. There will be no working electronics assuming it's an EMP type SHTF situation and even if it ain't, most of those electronics won't either work or they won't last for long without power. There will be no toilet paper for you to wipe your asses with and you're going to have to resort to using newspapers and then something even less pleasant than that once it runs out. Also, there will be few if any potential allies in this new world. Chances are that the people that you'll probably encounter in this new environment will be individuals who have finally ditch the facade that they had to wear in the old world in order to not be punished for wanting to indulge in their inner dark desires. There will be fewer and fewer resources as time goes by due to various reasons, making your already hard life even harder. The most that you can hope to strive for is to continue drawing breath on this rock. If you try to go beyond that, then you're just becoming greedy and being greedy will get you kill. Forget about the past for it will do nothing to serve you in the present and forget about the future for it will never become the present. There is no peace, there is only war. There is no pleasure, there is only pain. There is no good, there is only evil. There is no light, there is only darkness. God is laughing, Satan is crying, Jesus is watching, and everybody is going to die...
>muh defeatism
you know that shit you describe its normal state of the world?
What we have right now in western world it's abomination and would not last for long
are you bored, lonely or both?
bored, apparently only this kind of people have time to actualy study history and current events.
Also i live in former soviet block nation so i have diffrent perspective than people living on fetirle and rich in resources soil sperated by desert, frosen wasteland and two fricking oceans from anyone else
>Study history
Lmao, study my dick you moron. Studying preindustrial history and trying to apply any of it to our current trajectory is quite possibly the most moronic shit one can do.
>oil is forever, trust me bro
People who talk about oil “running out” haven’t got a fricking clue how much black gold sits under the earth just waiting for an increase of a few dollars per barrel to justify its exploitation. We’ll run out of fresh water long before we run out of oil.
> pre-industrial history
where i said about preindustrial history, Black person?
And outside your geopolitical tutorial tier paddling pool its important to know who, why and where can kill you, there are Pleces where cultures and opinions can change every hounded of kilometers and having wrong color of stripes can slpater your deepfried microplastick brain on the road
>study history
study history when i can study bussy instead?gwhnv
>Chances are that the people that you'll probably encounter in this new environment will be individuals who have finally ditch the facade that they had to wear in the old world in order to not be punished for wanting to indulge in their inner dark desires.
I don't think you get it. This is exactly why I want it to happen.
lmao speak for yourself m8
I prep by storing knowledge, I have detailed and explicit instructions (written by people far cleverer and more specialised than myself) on everything I need to build an industrial society using pre-industrial tools, materials and methods
You can go cry in the woods if you really want to, but don't complain to us when me and the boys turf you out and log it to build more ships for the second Age of Exploration
>industrial society
Just wipe your ass with a wet towel and then wash it thoroughly afterwards. How is that so hard?
I would happily take the corner office space on a skull pyramid as long as it was pointing in the right direction to watch homosexuals being run over by chariots.
Most burgers these days are thinking a civil war as the apocalypse scenario. Things where due to wide spread secessionist hostilities gangs of democrat urbanites depopulate their shitpiles since they are unsustainable without pre war logistics. These locusts will disband in the countryside and start stealing/killing/poaching whatever they can find which, of course, creates a counter with rednecks organizing into militias repelling and hunting said locusts.
Nooks are low on the priority as everybody is sensing they are merely a security insurance that protects you from direct assault/regime change and gives you way bigger freedom in doing whatever the frick you want. Like Russhitia.
I think that these apocalypse scenarios are so unlikely that you may as well prepare for the zombie apocalypse, and it's a lot more rational to prepare for temporary scenarios such as riots or natural disasters. I am not sure raiding will do you a lot of good in the long run, since the rule of law is going to return sooner or later, and it's probably best to make friends with your neighbors and stock up for a few weeks of no water / electricity / food (and to defend yourself of course). And in any case, I am not sure that anyone can really prepare for every apocalypse scenario even if it happens. The sort of preparation that goes into surviving a regime change or the government targeting its civilians is going to be a lot different than one triggered by environmental catastrophe or nuclear holocaust. I think that underground bunkers are actually a really bad idea when you're dealing with some kind of invasion situation since you've got only one or maybe two entrances and no way to really defend yourself from being smoked out, and going innawoods is a much better call for that kind of situation.
My only 'bug out bag' is for wildfire. I live pretty deep in Colorado and MAN is it a real fricking issue. Then you gotta worry about your horses. It's a whole nightmare and I can't afford to prep for some bullshit 'civil war'.
More than one in five kids says they're gay now. Obviously most of those are lying but if you don't think that's a bad sign in and of itself you're moronic.
You can't just exponentially increase the proportion of useless, disease ridden kiddie diddlers forever and keep society running.
A society where huge numbers of people think they have to pretend to be pedo parasites just to get along is not going to peacefully restructure itself.
This is what the world has always been, and we've only very recently had it this good.
I think humanity would bounce back.
Yawn. You all act like humanity's greatest achievements weren't laid well before we even knew what electricity was. The fact that most humans are basically good for the sake of intra-tribe cooperation is precisely why there are no true collapses, at least on scales that could only be described as mass bloodlettings.
Thaaats right. Don't prepare for things. So cancel your house insurance, car insurance, remove the spare wheel from your car, throw your fire alarm and fire extinguisher in the garbage along with your first aid kit. Chad's don't need any of that, right?
>is immediately ambushed by 20 men
you will fricking die after the nukes drop while i sit in my cozy shelter and live the rest of my life.
How much do you think it'll cost to get a neat setup like this one, Anon?
It's not that expensive. But it is mainly an illustration. There's no closet unless you want to cramp in the sink, the water supplies needs to last for four persons, and there are neither heat nor cold measures taken. Considering how the surface seem scorched, I would rather not leave the room in an easily flammable suit or without even the most basic tools. Or gas masks for four...
Something like that, probably around $5k, but it's going to be a shitty existence for a single person, cramming a family down there is just prolonged suicide. Ideally you want at least that much space for each person, plus a common area, toiler, shower, and kitchen. Also room for books, a tv, and movies/games.
>inb4 stop being a pussy
Nobody ever seems to think about the psychological toll something like this would take. If you want to get an idea of just how bad it would be, take a couple weeks off from work, put blackout curtains on all of your windows. Put your phone on airplane mode, turn off your router, and unplug your cable if you still have it.
For two weeks, limit your water usage to 2 gallons per day, only turn one one electrical device at a time, and any time you use a heat-generating appliance shut off your a/c for the rest of the day. At no time are you allowed to go outside or open the curtains.
Now realize you'll be doing this in 1/4 of the space you did before and you'll also be dealing with the fact that life as you know it is over and pretty much everybody you know who isn't in the shelter with you is dead.
>Protip: Get a prescription for anti-depressants beforehand and stockpile. If you're in a metal death-tube like the pic in
you will fricking die after the nukes drop while i sit in my cozy shelter and live the rest of my life. at least one of you is going to crack.
>magic air filter that would still be rendered useless in under an hour of ashfall
>no toilet
50's Americana was somehow so optimistic and so pessimistic at the same time.
>and live the rest of my life
you mean that 3 days, gay?
Until we block your air intake lmao
>wandering around in post-nuclear hellscape
>skin sloughing off, no food or water anywhere
>"lEts gO sEaRcH fOr aIr iNtAkeS lMaO"
Frick me this is a moronic thread.
>his knowledge of radiation comes from the fallout series
radiation goes away after a few weeks at most moron, most places will only be afew days if that.
>Use my last living moments to have earth-shaking radiation shits right on top of Anon's air filters.
>Slowly slip into the abyss, one ear on the ground, while I hear the retching and screaming of Anon's homosexual family as the last air they breathe is my diarrhea vapor.
You need a copper lining.
Otherwise the EMP
Is seriously going to ruin your day for the next I'm going to say 20 years you're going to last.
t. podcuck
Protip: humans are more likely to be cooperative than they are antagonistic (1). Always.
Ultimately, SHTF scenarios are unrealistic. Localised crises are likely to increase in quantity, and decreasing efficiency of production will doubtless increase resource competition. If you're relatively poor, you're likely going to have the hardest time, but you're also likely to have the largest social network (2).
Point being, raider-strategy doesn't get you the most unless you're already powerful enough to feed and arm your supporters. It's the kind of larpy fantasy that goes to bed when someone gets an infected splinter or dermatitis from unwashed clothing.
(1) https://www.nature.com/articles/srep33417
(2) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550616641472
>humans are more likely to be cooperative than they are antagonistic
I think a lot of anons dont get this, as they were blackpilled by games like DayZ, Rust, and Hardcore Minecraft survival server. Not to forget the purge movies either. Communities and groups will coalesce in time over similar values and shared interests. You’ll likely have medieval style governments with local Dukes militia protecting the serfs from the raiding buttholes from Ginsberg
Even in those games, individualism is never rewarded. The guys who end up running those servers are nolifers with big clans and NAPs across multiple other clans. Even if you could kill any 3 random zerglings from their clan you are never going to defend a base from all of them at all hours of the day.
Your survival in a post breakdown society is going to depend on having some useful attribute that you can leverage against some community or organization near you that is able to defend you from external threats and then negotiating some kind of agreement with that group or joining them outright. Lone wolves are going to be shot like dogs in the wilderness with nobody left behind to even know that they are missing.
Preppers would "survive". But "Raiders" would be the ones to rebuild civilization... because they manage to get enough of a crew and consolidate enough resources to actually settle down at a point and create something of a "social hierarchy" so a new society can re-establish itself.
Most Raiders would likely not even be greedy or anything but more like "we need seeds to plant farms. These guys have seeds. They are unwilling to trade those seeds with us even though they aren't using them/we think they are wasting them. We will take the seeds by force!"
Ultimately Preppers only buy themselves time... time they can use to decide which "Raider" group/settlement to join up with. And use the resources they hoarded or skills they learned to get themselves intop a nice position.
Raiders can't farm for shit. But you are on to something; it's not the solo guys but the groups that will take local power. The functioning police stations, the army units, the mormons, the amish, the tightly run church communities. Those are the groups with the discipline and knowledge to rebuild. They are also the ones who will eradicate the raider units.
Police are a big one. I would expect county sheriff and city police depts to be THE major force in any sort of larp-tier SHTF breakdown, by virtue of their organization, connection with local community and equipment.
Well, not so much that imho. What cops care about is their families and in a real emergency I think we all expect them to abandon their posts to take care of their own. But that's on day one. Within a week I do expect many them to have brought their families to the station because that is the safest option for them. They won't fight for the community or for the badge or for the pension, but they will fight for their one safe bunker. It will be logical for them to team up shortly with other groups considered reliable.
Jericho
It could be a matter of them but even being able to get to work like Katrina. I was stranded in Hurricane Sandy and no coppers were around and the natives next door were circling like sharks and I was the only gungay in a 125 unit building. Free rent for me! Plus my work truck wasn’t going anywhere.
I’d love to hear more about your experience. I dealt with Harvey and aside from driving over some bridges no one should have been driving over and running the risk of flooding my beater truck a few times in order to pick up my dad from a church shelter, I spent most of the post hurricane shitfest drinking Lone Star and waiting for the power to come back on. I had my AR-15 propped in the corner next to my bed, ready to rock for about a week or so though I figured if any honor roll students came looking for restorative justice I’d probably hear the screams of my much wealthier neighbors and have enough time to don my poorgay battle rattle. Plus I had a few neighbors at the time that were gun owners so our building was not entirely dependent on me for defense.
Yeah right. Local police already basically operate like armed gangs. They'll be raiders in this scenario.
In this kind of scenario the police do not have the numbers. Police can only be effective if most of the community are supportive of them
You know what I never get about preppers is that they are all alone. In the face of widespread breakdown of civilisation it would be communities that will become the new points of stability, preppers will be killed off quick. 10 pairs of eyes are better than two as are 20 hands. You can share skills collaborate and I don’t fricking know so all the things our ancestors did to build a tribe then a nation. Preppers are the tribal nomads of the apocalypse who will be snuffed out by the infinitely superior sedentary agrarian chads. Just like before.
Or to put in one way who wins, 1 larper in his bunker or hungry Tyrone and his 20 buddies who just looted a police station, cos I know who my toilet paper is betting on.
No one is posting the obvious benefit of being a raider. After the apocalypse hits you can form a group of your kind and finally settle old scores with those you hate. Maybe that land my family was screwed out of generations ago is mine now because I'm killing whoever lives there now and taking it. Why hold back on things like that in a situation like this?
Because others will notice, and come together to make sure they aren't your next target. Society is ruled by more than laws.
Others will do nothing because I'm not interested in them I'm settling the score and taking what belongs to me and my clan. They can get over it or they can die trying to stop me. I don't want their shit and they won't stop me. If they try I will rape their women.
So, what's the weather like on your planet?
People watch gang rapes as it is. As long as they are left alone their neighbors are on their own. You don't understand the human race very well.
Guys remember to thank your local prepper schizo for putting together a nice stash for you to take 🙂
and rape his wife
The only guy I know who is openly a pepper is a fat ass dating a busted single mother. His load out is a single shot .300 win mag and a taurus revolver.
>guy I know who is openly a pepper
Based Italian boomer.
You could poison a small percentage of your preps, that'd show 'em.
>not prepping to be a well equipped and trained raider
>all the city slickers who think they are just going to bug out to rural area's and squat on peoples property and invade close knit communities.
Everyone knows the mormons are going to inherit the earth when SHTF.
>they all know each other and share interests and common goals
>they literally already have a plan in place
>they all prep
>they will raid non-mormons
>they once fought and won against the government due to their perseverance and religious beliefs that they are righteous and are willing to die for what they want
>now they infest 3 letter agencies
>the church owns farmland and knows how to farm and garden
>most males are eagle scouts with survival skills
>a lot are avid hunters and/or ranchers
>but we can't expect God to do all the work
if you're not tight with your mormon neighbors and have something of value to offer them, you're fricked. And you better have a wife and at least be Christian or they won't trust you around their tribe.
People in this thread think that either side will
Dominate the other but in reality your going to need both numbers and prepper supplies.
Both will be fricked in their own special way unless said prepper is so well hidden no one can get to them or the raiders come across the best of arms and food.
Not to mention in a post apocalyptic scenario the raiders will have to constantly discipline and keep each other in check to avoid infighting and treason.
Your numbers are both a strength and weakness.
As for the Prepper he must at least know how to survive without his supplies or how to hunt/collect food off of his homestead.
Mind you in a world of witch humanity very likely already stripped the nature and rurallands clean of fauna and flora in a desperate attempt to survive their fate.
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Try to balance both sides into your plan of SHTF.
You’ll need to be able to perform both roles
What are you moron prepping to? Just get an solid education and/or work skill and just leave the country for some safe place when shit hits the fan lmao.
>just leave the country when the solar flare EMPs the entire planet
No but seriously I'm prepping food and water because modern paycheck to paycheck society can't last forever. Heat refugees slurping up all supplies or wars creating shortages are very real possibilities. Sooner or later this shit is going to fail. I don't think we'll ever go full blown Fallout tier apocalypse (at least in my lifetime) but having a just a few weeks or months worth of supplies can get you through stuff like empty grocery stores or tyrannical lockdowns (like the ones wolrd governments were experimenting with for covid)
Refusing to keep backup food and water is just plain moronic.
Behold! The idea that literally ruined every country.
I am a T1 diabetic so when SHTF I am doomed anyway. Post your address and I will come to yours during the apolcalypse before ketoacidosis and act as a crazed berserker intent on ripping you and your loved ones apart, if I win I get your pancreas if you win you get the thrill and rush of prepping accordingly paying off.
At least buy some nice israeliteelry to wear so you drop good loot.
LOL
your image touched a nerve on some of these folk, OP
you can't prep your way out of having your house bulldozed or the entrance to your bunker buried.
when marines in fallujah were clearing the city, house by house, they didn't do le ebin CQB in 50 fricking houses a day, clearing even one building will smoke you.
not to mention it takes an entire squad with lots of training at a bare minimum.
no. when you deal with an enemy in a fortified structure, you destroy the structure.
first you give a warning, that you will kill them. obviously you want their resources intact if possible.
if they don't comply, you blow a hole in the wall to create your own entrance,
and then you bayonet the now fallen and stunned enemy.
if that doesn't work, lots of hand grenades will.
this is basically how real urban warfare works. first you go "soft" with traditional room clearing.
simply to save your resources. when you get contact, the gloves come off.
oh, you set up your house with sandbags, claymores, and a month's food supply?
well i'm just gonna burn your house down and shoot whoever runs out.
you do not have the budget, the skills, the manpower, the land, or the resources to play defense.
and that's just against a few crafty civilians.
you wanna bug in against the GOVERNMENT? have a nice day now.
you wanna survibe? don't be a fricking target
>If you can't go 20v1 against the world's most powerful and we'll funded force, you might as well not even have walls
moron.
>if you can't defend against your most likely threat you shouldn't defend at all
yes. because you ARE 1v20ing them. that's how moronic preppers are.
Schizo logic.
so that's schizo, but prepping for an apocalypse that will never happen isn't?
Yes, you're a schizo for sitting there acting smug about a nonsensical circular logic argument you've set up based on nothing.
>circular logic
you don't know what that means. ignoring legitimate threats will get you killed. there are bigger fish than you, they will not ignore you.
the government will tomahawk your ass and raiders will burn you alive.
no insurgent ever won by standing still.
>The government will just tomahawk everyone
moron, in a situation of societal upheaval the global economy would crumple like a washing machine falling out of a fricking airplane.
>His house isn't made of brick
>he thinks brick houses are literally 100% brick
ask me how i know you've never even been in a real brick house.
What?
Of course they aren't 100% Brick how would you build a brick roof unless it was some 1850s railway arch thing.
are you moronic? look at most of the world, and look at how the fighting in urban areas looks after just a few months or a year
I love how casual war is in the third world
American's have absolutely no idea what the rest of the world goes through just to get a bite to eat and a drink of water (Europe, Australia is America btw)
Lol none of you dudes will survive long in the backcountry
All this shit is cope
You’ll be dead if it really happens
You won’t survive multiple gunfights
You won’t know when to leave until everyone else does
You have no clue where to go anyway
I’ve never seen a hunter lug their shit more than 5 miles past a trailhead
You’re all easily spotted for various reasons
Even when you think you’re sneakily hiding
All this mental masterbation and waste of cash
Have fun dying with everyone else
I bet none of you could lug all your shit around for 20 miles + a day
You’re out of shape
This board is mega moronic
>You won’t know when to leave until everyone else does
>Leave
Black person my town is where you'd think you're leaving to, and we'd kill you and grind you into fricking fertilizer.
Then op wakes from his wet dream and his hero lover "chad" is rotting facedown in a ditch. Npk
Based.
Prepping is fricking moronic and only useful for morons underground hiding from everything.
You need to be able to self sustain yourself at all times with kit on hand.
How come subsistence farmers in the colonial period were so obsessed with long term food preservation?
they got raided and scalped by brown people with sticks and rocks daily. this is your model for success?
homosexual post modernist game of thrones history, not fact.
Uh. Why would they NOT be?
So long as I've got my saxophone I'll be fine.
Imagine not living on a farm which can continue operation at subsistance levels far after the apocalypse
*low iq latinx
Phone posting. So sorry.
What the frick is Latinx
Exclusively white people butthurt over Spanish having gendered nouns, so they try to tell people how to speak their native language more inclusively. Like saying Latinx instead of Latino or Latina.
/k/ is still the easiest board troll isn't it OP?
>I'M GONNA RAAAID
You are going to be a loner scavenger. You are a roach larping as a Viking.
Raiders were always filled with the deadweight of society that could only provide value by dying or stealing from some faraway place; lead by a few of the bored elites looking for excitement. No, you are not the main character and get to lead everyone else. There are no saves or redoes. If somehow you become a raider; you are going to be the dead weight cannon fodder for an already established gang if they don't preemptively kill you first. Also, the threat of the rule of law stopping you from being a Black person is sad as frick.
>Bosnia
we have all seen the fake Bosnia larp pasta. There are other examples we could take. I like what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans as an example that is more recent and answers some of the questions on what people would do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_New_Orleans#Aftermath
the stereotypical preppers are usually schizo but preparing for anything puts you in a better position if something bad happens. being wrong only wastes money for the prepper.
This. Have a few weeks of consumables is a great idea. Unfortunately, everyone here thinks that having a few preps means you are the schizo with the underground bunker. apparently, there cannot be a middle ground between bunker schizo and completely unprepared.
When New York City got hit by a hurricane the news had this sob story about how they ran out of food on day 1 after they finished the leftover pizza. Don't be this moronic.
>We won and took all of Sadams gold.
That's nothing more than a rounding error compared to the trillion dollars we spent trying to run that place.
the irony is a hobo like Forest Anon will outlast 99% of the prepper larpers if shit ever does hit the fan
Many such occasions here in Australia
(see; Button man, Malcolm Naden etc)
Bushanons who hunts and hike will do juuuuust fine down here, everyone else will be sneeding.
Hunting and hiking also allows you to discover where potable waterways are and where animals congregate.
Black person your moronic fantasies of living in the forest for months and months have got to stop. You arent even gonna last 2 weeks much less several months to a year, In an ACTUAL SHTF situation, your ass should stay PUT until it is literally impossible to survive at your location. And even then the fricking WOODS is the LAST place for your ass to go.
Black person who said i want to live in the woods. im allergic to everything. im pointing out the fact that a clever hermit in the wild like Forest Anon will outlast all these silica gel packet morons
lol just learn how to grow potatoes in buckets and get a gun what do you need to prep for? You can just rob people for other things.
Just come to the south island of New Zealand and we go on a billionaire safari/ BBQ.
We're gonna need some longrangers to deal with countermeasures....
I'm so tired of zoomers
I'm prepping for certain doom, you're prepping your wife's bull.
When your wife sees you buying Oreos in bulk and owning tacti-cool camping gear you have never used out side of a campground you just prepping for her to leave you for her bull.
Sorry no nukes have dropped yet to wipe away your massive credit card debt and the child support payments to what probably is her bulls offspring.
Leave the Raiders to me.
>raiders try to step foot near me and my buddies compound
>half of them immediately blown to smithereens from the countless booby traps we set in a pattern only we remember
>remaining half gets tangled up in barbed wire and vietnamese poopstick traps, slowing them down for us to leisurely pick off with our .22lr pellets
>imagine getting killed by a .22 lmao
>they try to shoot back to no avail, due to our heavily fortified and concealed position as well as their meme "badass" .308 rifle
>mow them all down
>wait several hours for any potential stragglers or trickery
>head out and loot their dead bodies
>reset new booby traps
>repeat until all brainlet raiders in 100 mile radius have died out from starvation or tripping over a rock and getting an infected wound
>Sizable amount of my savings has been converted into gold and silver bullion, which I keep in a safe. Specifically bullion so I don't get too attached to them, as I collect old coins.
>Own a easy to maintain car and classic moped, requiring little fuel.
>have a small .22 revolver that I keep on my person
That's it. Need water? I'll use the nearby creek. Food? Hunt rabbits. It really is that simple.
A lot of people are dumb, even if money loses its value people will still assume gold is something of value, even if it loses it. I will be able to convince people to get me shit in exchange for a small gold bar.
I see you are going to follow the path of Chris McCandless. Good luck with that.
I fricking hate prepper culture.
>Always over weight.un/fit/
>Always buys the most useless mall ninja gear that makes no sense in an apocalypse. Eg tactical bottle opener
Every prepper I've ever met is an over weight frick with a lost grip on reality. The especially stupid ones think zombies are a real possibility. Most never hunt or go PrepHole and just spend all day rambling about some overpriced gun they got to hypothetically protect there also fat b***h of a wife that no one would ever frick sober. If your health is so bad that u take regular prescriptions then why prep if your gonna die of high blood pressure in the first 30 days after an apocalypse.
When society rebuilds we need Chads and engineers with real skills, not these useless Walmart scooter drive who's only "skill" is stock pilling Twinkies.
>leaves house for the first time in months, apocalypse or not
>the sunlight blinds him
>spatial awareness not existent
>walks onto somebody's property
>shot and killed by some 5'9 65 year old with a .30-06
>bleeds out in full gear since he left his abdomen plates at home
>he's too frail/weak to even use the abdomen plates he did buy
>old man comes and collects gear at night time with his buddies drinking cheap beer
im under no illusion about prepping and the human condition. what i do know is that if the shtf and you live around Black folk their will be a race war
Step one is always to move to a 99% white community.
Pennsylvania is 99% white outside of Black personville, has a huge Amish community that will still be making food when the rest of America collapses, and has dirt cheap houses.