If you're purely thinking home defense a shotgun or AR are good defaults. But for personal defense too handguns. /hg/ is a good place to ask for suggestions there. The pastebin is pretty old now so the prices are all out of date due to inflation, but it's still worth a read if you're new.
If possible, I'd really recommend finding a range that does rentals (very often will be attached to a gun store). If you're never shot handguns period then see if they have some basic beginners course. If you have, then rental, ideally you'd try out a bunch of different handguns to see what you enjoy. Get something in one of the main calibers (9mm, 45, 380, 40sw, etc) so that the cost of ammo is cheap and there is plenty available in a variety of loads, otherwise you won't go too wrong if you've shot it and like it. Guns hold value well so you can sell the thing for something else if necessary. For concealed, IWB ("inside the waistband") is a good default, though you can look at other carry methods.
If you find one that is attached to a gun store, and tell them you're interested in buying a gun (and possibly some accessories) they may well let you try some stuff for free or discounted (or give you the range rental back if you buy or whatever). There are cheaper ways to go, or necessary ones for niche stuff, later but for starting out even if the LGS isn't the cheapest around may still be worth a small premium to get going. Just don't fricking much ammo there unless you live in a state where you can't order ammo online.
Also forgot: >https://handgunlaw.us
Is a decent site to find your state and get an overview of the local laws. Gun laws vary pretty widely between states, you need to check yours, find out if you need any permits for example. In my state nothing is needed but a driver's license, but some have all sorts of requirements. Also worth knowing some of the basics of where you can/can't carry, inform status in cars, etc.
Home defence or carry? And do you have any experience with guns?
My experience is limited to shooting a block at the range with a couple times with a friend and research. My state has very relaxed gun laws, so I'd prefer something applicable to both situations.
>I'd prefer something applicable to both situations.
In that case my opinion is only theoretical, being a filthy leaf who's king doesn't allow him to carry. Fellow burgers can help you better with that. For what it's worth, for an HD option, I would recommend a good 9mm carbine for somebody who's inexperienced. They're very soft shooting and easy to keep on target, but still effective
>What round do you use to limit overpen?
Overpen is mostly a meme. I wouldn't worry about it (and I don't, I carry max pen screw drivers for my EDC) in general. That said every major round has hollow point and even frangible loadings that limit or near eliminate penetration. Frangible is meant for training which is what I got it for, it's a lot of fun with steel and rock, but is also surprisingly useful for vermin. But you don't have to think about this starting out, every major proven caliber has loads that will work for whatever you need. And obviously with ammo changing load is trivial, you just fill a mag with different bullets, so nothing to base a gun purchase around. The bulk of what you buy will be whatever is cheap for training. And it's not as if FMJ can't kill a man either.
If you want a modern do everything pistol, I would say look at the 1.5 stacks since they're a pretty clear successor to the Glock 19 "do everything" pistol, so a Springfield Hellcat, M&P Shield Plus and Sig 365. I say this as someone who's stubborn and has a G19 and G43 since the former is what I learned to shoot on since it was the best option at the time and the latter is far easier to carry. The 1.5 stacks give you enough capacity to be useful for home defense without feeling overly outgunned while being far easier to dress around then even a compact pistol.
>My state has very relaxed gun laws, so I'd prefer something applicable to both situations.
You have to get a handgun then, not going to be CCing a long gun. Though most of us have both. Don't waste money on a PCC until you have other stuff satisfied and know what you're after.
And I'll add, strange as it may be to hear on /k/, but for home defense also don't focus just on guns and forget basic physical security. I know some dudes who have 4-5 figures in neat firearms, and then also shitty doors with no bolt that could be kicked in in like 15 seconds. It should take someone at least 1-3 minutes (more is better of course) to get into your house and preferably make a lot of noise in doing so. Gun should be second line of defense.
If you want a modern do everything pistol, I would say look at the 1.5 stacks since they're a pretty clear successor to the Glock 19 "do everything" pistol, so a Springfield Hellcat, M&P Shield Plus and Sig 365. I say this as someone who's stubborn and has a G19 and G43 since the former is what I learned to shoot on since it was the best option at the time and the latter is far easier to carry. The 1.5 stacks give you enough capacity to be useful for home defense without feeling overly outgunned while being far easier to dress around then even a compact pistol.
Listen to these two. They give good advice.
>I would say look at the 1.5 stacks since they're a pretty clear successor to the Glock 19 "do everything" pistol, so a Springfield Hellcat, M&P Shield Plus and Sig 365.
Specifically I'd go with the Hellcat Pro or the P365 XL or XMacro for a new shooter. Still small enough to carry comfortably but marginally more comfortable to train with because they're slightly larger and heavier guns.
Don't fall into the trap of getting something super small like an LCP or S&W Airweight unless you genuinely can't carry larger. Small pistols like that are uncomfortable to shoot and difficult to shoot accurately.
Knives are much better for self defence. I could slash your throat before you can even draw. Also don't have to worry about leaving shell casings behind.
.44 mag snubby.
In all honestly, go to a gun store and see how they feel in your hand. Or try out some at a range.
I think any of the popular calibers(with good ammo)are going to to a decent job at getting someone to frick off and get into the ground.
I like my Jericho. Some anons say it's heavy, but I'm an actual manlet and all steel guns never really bothered me. It's weight is "balanced" if that makes sense. The weight isn't concentrated in one place, so it doesn't sag or sink one way or another on your hip.
glock
Colt Delta Elite
A gon.
a shontgon
NO,GET A GON!
shontgon kill bedder
NO GON GOODER
If you're purely thinking home defense a shotgun or AR are good defaults. But for personal defense too handguns. /hg/ is a good place to ask for suggestions there. The pastebin is pretty old now so the prices are all out of date due to inflation, but it's still worth a read if you're new.
If possible, I'd really recommend finding a range that does rentals (very often will be attached to a gun store). If you're never shot handguns period then see if they have some basic beginners course. If you have, then rental, ideally you'd try out a bunch of different handguns to see what you enjoy. Get something in one of the main calibers (9mm, 45, 380, 40sw, etc) so that the cost of ammo is cheap and there is plenty available in a variety of loads, otherwise you won't go too wrong if you've shot it and like it. Guns hold value well so you can sell the thing for something else if necessary. For concealed, IWB ("inside the waistband") is a good default, though you can look at other carry methods.
Have fun.
Alright, would be smart to get out to a range and try because I've only shot very few times with 9mm. Very comprehensive. Thank you, my good man
If you find one that is attached to a gun store, and tell them you're interested in buying a gun (and possibly some accessories) they may well let you try some stuff for free or discounted (or give you the range rental back if you buy or whatever). There are cheaper ways to go, or necessary ones for niche stuff, later but for starting out even if the LGS isn't the cheapest around may still be worth a small premium to get going. Just don't fricking much ammo there unless you live in a state where you can't order ammo online.
Also forgot:
>https://handgunlaw.us
Is a decent site to find your state and get an overview of the local laws. Gun laws vary pretty widely between states, you need to check yours, find out if you need any permits for example. In my state nothing is needed but a driver's license, but some have all sorts of requirements. Also worth knowing some of the basics of where you can/can't carry, inform status in cars, etc.
A Glock. homosexual. Obviously. Why even ask.
A full sized 1911. You wouldn’t want anything less than God’s own caliber by your side when you’re in a pinch.
What round do you use to limit overpen?
My experience is limited to shooting a block at the range with a couple times with a friend and research. My state has very relaxed gun laws, so I'd prefer something applicable to both situations.
>I'd prefer something applicable to both situations.
In that case my opinion is only theoretical, being a filthy leaf who's king doesn't allow him to carry. Fellow burgers can help you better with that. For what it's worth, for an HD option, I would recommend a good 9mm carbine for somebody who's inexperienced. They're very soft shooting and easy to keep on target, but still effective
>What round do you use to limit overpen?
Overpen is mostly a meme. I wouldn't worry about it (and I don't, I carry max pen screw drivers for my EDC) in general. That said every major round has hollow point and even frangible loadings that limit or near eliminate penetration. Frangible is meant for training which is what I got it for, it's a lot of fun with steel and rock, but is also surprisingly useful for vermin. But you don't have to think about this starting out, every major proven caliber has loads that will work for whatever you need. And obviously with ammo changing load is trivial, you just fill a mag with different bullets, so nothing to base a gun purchase around. The bulk of what you buy will be whatever is cheap for training. And it's not as if FMJ can't kill a man either.
If you want a modern do everything pistol, I would say look at the 1.5 stacks since they're a pretty clear successor to the Glock 19 "do everything" pistol, so a Springfield Hellcat, M&P Shield Plus and Sig 365. I say this as someone who's stubborn and has a G19 and G43 since the former is what I learned to shoot on since it was the best option at the time and the latter is far easier to carry. The 1.5 stacks give you enough capacity to be useful for home defense without feeling overly outgunned while being far easier to dress around then even a compact pistol.
>My state has very relaxed gun laws, so I'd prefer something applicable to both situations.
You have to get a handgun then, not going to be CCing a long gun. Though most of us have both. Don't waste money on a PCC until you have other stuff satisfied and know what you're after.
And I'll add, strange as it may be to hear on /k/, but for home defense also don't focus just on guns and forget basic physical security. I know some dudes who have 4-5 figures in neat firearms, and then also shitty doors with no bolt that could be kicked in in like 15 seconds. It should take someone at least 1-3 minutes (more is better of course) to get into your house and preferably make a lot of noise in doing so. Gun should be second line of defense.
Listen to these two. They give good advice.
>I would say look at the 1.5 stacks since they're a pretty clear successor to the Glock 19 "do everything" pistol, so a Springfield Hellcat, M&P Shield Plus and Sig 365.
Specifically I'd go with the Hellcat Pro or the P365 XL or XMacro for a new shooter. Still small enough to carry comfortably but marginally more comfortable to train with because they're slightly larger and heavier guns.
Don't fall into the trap of getting something super small like an LCP or S&W Airweight unless you genuinely can't carry larger. Small pistols like that are uncomfortable to shoot and difficult to shoot accurately.
Knives are much better for self defence. I could slash your throat before you can even draw. Also don't have to worry about leaving shell casings behind.
>self defense
>worrying about shell cases
uhhhh buddy I think you're more concerned with murder than defense
Home defence or carry? And do you have any experience with guns?
.44 mag snubby.
In all honestly, go to a gun store and see how they feel in your hand. Or try out some at a range.
I think any of the popular calibers(with good ammo)are going to to a decent job at getting someone to frick off and get into the ground.
Mateba MTR-8
>Adieu leaf
I still need you to speak english to me, I don't understand homosexual. good luck whatever you go with burgerbro
Deagle brand glock 40 with a switch chambered in 9mm acp
whatever decision you make, it will be the wrong one.
I like my Jericho. Some anons say it's heavy, but I'm an actual manlet and all steel guns never really bothered me. It's weight is "balanced" if that makes sense. The weight isn't concentrated in one place, so it doesn't sag or sink one way or another on your hip.
You're not helping, John
Who's John?
barrett m82 .50 BMG
accept no substitutes
50 cal
9 pounder w/ grapeshot