Il-76 crash

What’s going on? Ukranians say it was transporting S-300 missiles and Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    UK POW got first to travel by plane while mobiks gets to travel in trucks and trains.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia says...

    I wonder what the story could be. I guess nobody will ever know who is lying and who is telling the truth.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      says...
      >I wonder what the story could be. I guess nobody will ever know who is lying and who is telling the truth.
      I can help you: Russia is ALWAYS lying!

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russian mainteinance during winter on times were technicians and spare parts are becoming scarce

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    notice how when ukies actually shoot down (x) the katsaps barely say anything but today they instantly claim it's full of ukrainian pows?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Footage of the crash site only showed dead crew but no dead POWs, so russia is probably lying (as usual)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      VatBlack folk refuse to adress this.
      >THEY ALL MAGICALLY DISSAPEARED IN THE FIRE MMKAY??
      Look at crashed airliner pictures before bodies are removed and compare

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I couldn't sleep properly for two days after looking at MH17 photos.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Footage of the crash site only showed dead crew but no dead POWs
      Bullshit. You see when the plane started to crash the piggie pows hopped into the crematorium contained on the plane and turned to dust. Very sinple if you use yourre brain *~~

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    First is it normal procedure to transport POW in a plane near the frontline? Can AA even differentiate the planes they are allowed to shoot or not? Is it something that already happened?
    It feels fishy but once again if it's something that is usual, I have no reason to suspect anything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My issue is, why would they air transport ANYTHING near a border and within enemy AD? It COULD make sense if it was an agreed-upon, scheduled flight…but why fly prisoners instead of putting them on a train and trucking them overland across a border checkpoint? Seems like a poor use of a large transport aircraft…for Russia anyway. No one would bat an eye if it was the U.S.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You guys have to understand that when Russia says there's no war they''re not fricking around. They're really "lying". Same with them saying the Moskva was an "smoking accident" or that the A-50 got show down by friendly fire. They in fact, hunt down people in the RU military for "shooting it down" and punish them, there's likely dead RU air defense troops executed for that.

        They act as an institution accordingly to these bullshit narratives. So to them there's no reason to not fly the plane near the border, after all there's no war, only an "Special Military Operation" and the Ukrainians shooting it down is something that hasn't happened yet.

        People really still don't understand the bullshit the Russians are at this point.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Vranyo is a dominance display in the form of a lie, so both dismissing it aggressively and accepting it are shows of submission. The only true counter is finding the truth from the evidence independently and presenting it in a dispassionate manner. Find the runway approaches of the nearest airports and overlay them on the route that the Il-76 was flying.

          Vranyo presupposes an immediate and tangible power dynamic between the liar and the listener, which is ubiquitous in Russia. If the listener chooses to be as autistic as possible and analyze the lie and cross-reference it with real procedures then it loses its effect.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >*Vranyo*
            >*Maskirovka*
            The only true counter is Total Zigger Death, just like muslims and their hundred different ways of lying its pointless to deal with in any other way than a fricking carpet bombing, lets end the third world once for all i can't stand this moronic bullshit anymore.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Bruh Russia is the second world

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                maybe it's time we do away with cold war terminology. First world now should be NATO and its allies. Second world should be those that want to be prosperous and civilized like first world but still not there yet. Third world seethes about the first two.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the whole point of the first and second world was to delineate battle lines and spheres of influence. the third world didn't mean developing, originally, it meant everyone else. Hell, I bet India was called a second world nation at a few points. but since the third world was china+shitholes... an association formed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, time changes and so did words. I mean I understand if you need to stick with the technicality of it but really, nowadays people think of BRICS and the assorted Islamic + African shitholes as third world, I don't think second world as a term is used anymore.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Vranyo is a dominance display in the form of a lie, so both dismissing it aggressively and accepting it are shows of submission.
            I will dismiss vranyo with Patriot missiles.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why wouldn't sarcasm or mockery work? why be amnesic about previous vranyo whenever new vranyo is presented, isn't it a form of submission to expend effort in dispelling it every single time?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You misunderstand - the point isn't to make actual believable lies, they would actually make the effort to come up with good lies if that were so.
              By accepting and propagating the shit lies, you humiliate and cuck yourself to the system. Even making fun of them or being sardonic or sarcastic about them still allows them to stand.
              You have to flatly and emphatically dismantle the moronation before you start laughing in the liar's face, because then you're not just exposing the lie but exposing him as a homosexual cuck.

              Just remember whenever you deal with a vatBlack person shill; they are active participants in a homosexual dominance hierarchy, and they are very much near the bottom.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this strikes me as unsustainable as long as they can trigger you into expending the effort to dispel their lies. when people can, with trivial effort, make you work hard for free, you are working for them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >please stop exposing our lies
                No.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i like being trolled by vatniks
                >it gives me a sense of purpose

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >w-we just trollin

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Vranyo is a dominance display in the form of a lie, so both dismissing it aggressively and accepting it are shows of submission. The only true counter is finding the truth from the evidence independently and presenting it in a dispassionate manner. Find the runway approaches of the nearest airports and overlay them on the route that the Il-76 was flying.

          Vranyo presupposes an immediate and tangible power dynamic between the liar and the listener, which is ubiquitous in Russia. If the listener chooses to be as autistic as possible and analyze the lie and cross-reference it with real procedures then it loses its effect.

          LMAO *they're not really "lying".
          That's what I meant to say but I typed that out instead. Jesus, seems I struggle psychologically to actually say the bullshit madness the Russian state actually does.

          Anyway, the thing is that terms of institutions acting, the Russians would never NOT transport strategically important planes like this IL-76M in Belgorod, because officially, there is no war and no strategic planes shot down by Ukrainians, it was all friendly fire. They don't want you to "believe" that. They just go on and act like its true and will fricking kill you if you don't agree. It's that simple.

          Like, you know the Russian Ministry of Defense official casualty numbers? The whole RU military acts on those numbers. Officially, according to directives, to direct policy, none of all these Russian troop casualties you're seeing actually exist. Hence the bizarre suicidal way the RU military acts. To them none of these major casualties are even happening.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            any way to prove youre an expert on russian psychology and propaganda

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >LIDL rim cover.
            >Lada.
            >Bullet holes
            >Trunk do not closes properly
            >smashed windshield.
            >Bad grafitti level Z's sprayed
            >Lifeless eyes.

            Vatnik aesthetics have strict guidelines.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Those men are 100% dead by now. Same with the ones in this picture.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        First is it normal procedure to transport POW in a plane near the frontline? Can AA even differentiate the planes they are allowed to shoot or not? Is it something that already happened?
        It feels fishy but once again if it's something that is usual, I have no reason to suspect anything.

        Yeah, my first reaction was also WHY WOULD YOU FLY ANYWHERE NEAR THE FRONT LINE.

        Even if the Ukies shot the plane down, the Russians as good as killed them like drunk drivers. What a bad way to convey POWs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They were claiming the flight plan was acknowledge and agreed upon by the Ukrainians. Did we see any Russian attempt to show "proof" of such plan yet?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            they'll fake something up perhaps, will maybe import some bodies and ukie nationalist paraphernalia to the crash site also - that or quietly let it drop and move on to some other total fricking bullshit altogether.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              How do I invest in sims 4 sales in russia

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >sales

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I assume fsb still has a little money

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they will just pirate it, if they can

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but they need the boxes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                surely they can just order some from alibaba?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's no proof, hohol. there is everything, and it is known.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It was regular practice for pow exchange and it was done before. Ruskies would ask Ukies for safety corridor for planes but something went weong this time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They either planned to jebait the ukes into shooting down the plane (and then start an agitprop circus), or tried to do a sneeki breeki which didn't pan out.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I can see russia sacrificing irreplaceable hardware worth millions for PR points with a world that is universally hostile.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yes russia would do that, they were doing that the whole war

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              narcisism of randoms and npc's thinking anyone cares that much about their opinion.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They shelled a Dontesk Market Place earlier this week just so they could cry to the UN about it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Coincidentally, it was the same marketplace people used to make disparaging video clips about Penis "Multi-Level Marketing Guru" Pushilin.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            or maybe someone just fricked up. idk whats the big deal anyways, hundreds die on both sides everyday.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >or maybe someone just fricked up.
              Prisoner transfers happen at a level high enough that whips can be freely cracked to make the warslaves pay attention, for once. And the standard precedent was that ukes always got advanced warning whenever a plane carrying prisoners was approaching the contact line. Which leads me to believe it wasn't just a classic case of wartime moronation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                who knows who really operates that partriot batteries, I doubt it's really ukies, probably some us contractors with data fed directly by us military and maybe someone failed to issue notice in that chain.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                SAS general Boris Johnson probably.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it takes time to train crew. same here in croatia, mi24 helis where flown by ukro and ruskies contractors since there was no time to train domestic crews. I can only imagine how complex patriot battery is to operate and maintain.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                When you remove the traditional slav sodomy, corruption and other bullshit from the equation, training a crew to a western SAM system isn't some miraculous feat. Even less so if they are familiar with somewhat similar system.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia doesn't have the air logistics capacity to spare for fricking POWs
      Oh well they have even less now *~~)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >First is it normal procedure to transport POW in a plane near the frontline?
      It turns out that during this war in Ukraine, it has been normal procedure. A lot of earlier threads mocked it, but a number of POW stories have surfaced that verify planes (and, specifically an IL-76) have been used for several exchanges. We have to factor that into the context ... and also very much why nobody seemed to know this plane was where it was and what was (allegedly) on it. There was a lack of communication, or some catastrophic breakdown in it.

      >Can AA even differentiate the planes they are allowed to shoot or not?
      To some degree for some systems, but capabilities vary, as does setup and location weather conditions ... all sorts of factors. A plane should be flying with an ffo transponder on, especially over their own territory. We still don't know which side shot it down yet, or with what. Circumstantial evidence and speculation so far do not equal definitive evidence or conclusions.

      The Ukies seem to be leaving the door open that they shot something down, and yet to be determined what. Vatnikstan claimed they shot something down at the exact time & location, then hushed it up. Who y'a gonn'a believe?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but a number of POW stories have surfaced that verify planes
        Without proof of their claims, it is just claims. Especially when others have been transported by truck and train. Then, ultimately, there is no fricking bodies in the wreckage bar the aircrew. There should be dozens of bodies. There isn't.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but a number of POW stories have surfaced that verify planes
        There's been exactly 1.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Except there are sources going around saying that the plane was in Iran yesterday, are you saying Iran is illegally detaining Ukrainian POWs?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, sure.

          Two versions have appeared in the media today - the first is that the plane allegedly came from the Middle East, not Moscow. However, this is not the case, Verstka found out. Telegram channel "Skrinka Pandori", which was referred to by the media, wrote (https://t.me/pandoras_box_ua/35022) that the crash was allegedly caused by a flight number RA-78830. However, according to (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-78830#33ba78b2) Flightradar data, this Il-76 last signalled near Cyprus at 10:10 Moscow time, while the crash was claimed by the Defence Ministry to have occurred at 11:15.

          The aircraft would simply not have had time to cover the distance from Cyprus to the Belgorod region in an hour and a bit. In addition, it appears that RA-78830 was preparing to land in Syria - during the last 15 minutes of signalling it dropped in altitude from 32,000 feet to 20,300 feet.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    counterclaims I have seen
    >1. this type of plane is not appropriate for transporting POWs. It would be like using a helicopter to go to the shops.
    >2. previous POW exchanges were done via land routes
    >3. the plane took off from Iran
    >4. names of prisoners supposedly in the crash match names of prisoners already exchanged over a month ago - not just one or two, but a quarter of the total amount
    >5. no photos of more than a couple of bodies
    >6. unusually prompt and co-ordinated narrative from russian sources which might indicate a pre-baked narrative for the next time such a plane was downed
    in general it is a safe bet to assume russia is lying
    no matter what really happened here, it is ridiculous for russia to put such an aircraft so close to Ukrainian AA

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unironic neutral proposal:

    This plane was obviously shot down at low altitude. So it was either taking off, landing or flying low to avoid long-range ground-based radars. Can someone figure out the landing approaches of the nearest airports in Belgorod?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Can someone figure out the landing approaches of the nearest airports in Belgorod?
      Problem is the plane was going in the complete opposite direction away from Belgorod

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I am aware that it was flying away from Belgorod, so the natural Russian cope will be that it was on the upwind or crosswind leg of its landing approach. It couldn't have been taking off because that would imply the POWs had already disembarked and it couldn't have been cruising at low altitude because that means there were no POWs at all.

        The only way the zigger story makes sense is if the aircraft was still loaded with POWs and it was flying away from Belgorod to line itself up with the runway of a nearby airport that can handle Il-76s. But this requires that the plane be either in parallel or perpendicular to a nearby airport, if it's neither of those then that plane was delivering materiel.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >was flying away from Belgorod to line itself up with the runway
          That's the current zigger cope however it doesn't make much sense because regular air travel was canceled a long time ago in Belgorod so the runways should be empty, also it got shot down way too far from Belgorod to have been waiting in a holding pattern.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            its correct to assume that ziggers are lying whenever their lips are moving, but approaching/departing airports depends more on wind direction than the direction of your destination/departure point. Aircraft want to take off/land facing into the wind. Helps with fuel efficiency/max load and makes things easier on the airframes/pilots. I don't know anything about the airport this thing took off from, but it's perfectly possible that the normal take off procedure there for the winds they had that day is to take off on the north facing runway and fly north for dozens of miles before leaving the departure pattern and heading whatever direction your intended destination is.

            Regardless its fricking obvious there were no POWs on that plane because there are no bodies. We've seen something in the wreckage photos that looks suspiciously like a crew members bodies so it wasnt the kind of crash that just incinerates/pulverizes everyone down to shards of bone, if there were 80+ POWs on board we would see them.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              According to Russia, it took off from Moscow and was headed to Belgorod, which doesn't line up at all as an approach.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, considering the amount of supposed casulties, it's odd that this place isn't being bombarded with pics of dead POWs that landed in someone's backyard. Maybe the Russians are just being tactful, or the mods are doing their jobs and deleting the threads in seconds, or it could be that the bodies just don't exist. Could be any of three options, really.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe the Russians are just being tactful
                Even if zigger MOD didn't release these photos, they'd be all over zigger TGs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Russians are just being tactful
                Lol
                Lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Gradually, I began to hate them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The video is one of the worst things I've ever seen. The polar bear is rolling around in agony, and the Russians are laughing at it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The video is one of the worst things I've ever seen. The polar bear is rolling around in agony, and the Russians are laughing at it.

                you describing that makes me want to punch a fricking wall.
                goddam i hate ziggers so much.
                kill every single one of them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The video is one of the worst things I've ever seen. The polar bear is rolling around in agony, and the Russians are laughing at it.

                Gradually, I began to hate them

                https://i.imgur.com/V5UcAsC.jpg

                >Russians are just being tactful
                Lol
                Lmao

                Link?

                https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1748353017940750397
                It's pretty fricked up

                This really needs to viral, worldwide. Try to get the attention of mainstream news and get it broadcast. Doesn't matter when it happened, just demonstrate to the world what it means to be ziggers. This would generate more public outrage than blowing up an opera house full of children. Just fricking sickening.

                If someone can stomach it, webm the video in highest possible quality and post it in a /gif/ rekt thread. Let it circulate a bit and it'll start getting reposted elsewhere.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you know how ziggers will cope
                >it's not real, is fake, where's the proof it's real
                at this point, I think anyone that can be convinced is already convinced, the rests are ziggers and nootroler

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >This really needs to viral, worldwide. Try to get the attention of mainstream news and get it broadcast.
                The only way you'd be able to do that, is by going through those greentard associations. Guess who finances them. They won't go against their master. They'll be quiet like the good slaves they are, and go back to say "nuclear energy is le bad, pls buy cheap Russian natgas instead"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Link?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1748353017940750397
                It's pretty fricked up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fascism is when you throw firecracker at bear.lel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fascism is a lefty buzzword.
                This on the other hand is just a staple of subhuman behavior.
                Almost all of the animal torture videos you'll find are from Black folk, browns, SEA monkeys and chinks.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                More like logistics fricked up again and bodies of pow they executed day earlier weren't delivered on time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                /k/ being a blue board, it's curated
                a lot of gore posters these last two years have learned to fear that

                /pol/
                /gif/
                /b/
                all boards you can hunt around on. /gif/ has had regular war rekt threads just filled with all sorts of evidence that the HATO is trying to hide from you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can link posts from other boards. Show us these evidence

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >filled with all sorts of evidence that the HATO is trying to hide from you
                anon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >lot of gore posters these last two years have learned to fear that

                I am a regular enjoyer of 3 day 4chsn vacations. That "star pattern convoy canvas perforation motif" webm was particularly spice, and, I'LL FRICKING DO IT AGAIN. Just after this newest plane drama dies down and the need for such a bold move arises.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                much obliged
                visit /gif/ many troony and BBC porn the fascist racist imperialist West is trying bury

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > so the natural Russian cope will be that it was on the upwind or crosswind leg of its landing approach
          You don’t do 30km pattern legs. And you DEFINITELY don’t do it in a war zone

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Again, to the RU military there is no warzone. Only a "Special Military Operation".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It was more 30 miles not 30km. Pretty sure the only usable belgorod airport is the civvie one (EGO). You don't generally have a holding pattern that far out and at that angle relative to the runway. plane was probably outbound or the ATC was on tripping balls krokodil.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Pretty sure the only usable belgorod airport is the civvie one (EGO). You don't generally have a
              Ziggers insist on "il-76 has rugged landing gear, it can handle landing anywhere, it was designed for it! and area around belgorod has dozens of airstrips in varying degrees of abandonment! you can't be sure it wasn't heading towards one of overgrown ww2 airstrips in the fields!".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you can't be sure it wasn't heading towards one
                you can see it flying (falling) on its side
                it wasn't trying to fly anywhere

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the russkies might try to claim to have built some secret Guadalcanal tier airfield next to a major city with a perfectly usable airport because they hate their own maintenance crews and aircraft availability, but i doubt it. Suspect either there were no POWs or some dipshit forgot to follow procedure and didn't tell the ukies to "please no shoot plane with your guys on it"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Where are the nearest airports relative to the flight trajectory before the shootdown?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >https://opennav.com/airport/UUOB
        I think the crew might have followed the old departure charts (2013 new ones are 2023) for STANDARD DEPARTURE CHART INSTRUMENT (SID) - ICAO. RWY 29 following SOMUM 3.
        This will make you overfly both yablonove and Korotscha. If someone has the wind it can confirm the direction of T/O.
        I don't think it can be a departure since the holding pattern is closer to the airport. (check https://vatrus.info/airport/UUOB?lang=eng number 147 to see the hold)
        The updated charts don't have SOMUM but have two points named ASDES and ABLAU that are ~10 km away from the crash site so unless the crew got a direct to SOMUM they shouldn-t have overflown there

        I'm fairly drunk rn so don't take this as serious

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chekists saw opportunity in the loss. Later they will release names of POWs they tortured to death as proofs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this was my first thought - they lost the plane but to use it to their advantage and conceal pows dying in captivity they will just tell ones who died were on that plane...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It could just be: no one shot down anything, just incompetence caused a crash and Russia is opportunistically using it to explain away prisoners they’ve lost because they’re treaty-bound to take care of them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It could just be: no one shot down anything, just incompetence caused a crash and Russia is opportunistically using it to explain away prisoners they’ve lost because they’re treaty-bound to take care of them.

      except the list they released to 'prove' there were POWs on board included names of people released months ago.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    On all the first on the scene footage: like 4 bodies
    A plane with 60 POW's would carry like >80 people total. So where are all the bodies? MH17 had shitloads of them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry haven't been online the whole day, but where did you see the footage? Mind helping a brotha out

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Coming up

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Coming up

          Thank you brother. TZD

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >that blood sprayed across the snow
          grim

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Looks more like kicked up dirt but there is also the possibility of hydraulic fluid

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          fsb was a bit slow
          need to add more bodies

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          only 2 visible bodies? seems inconsistent with the claimed what? 70 pows?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I believe it was 65 POW (up from 60 which they originally said, weird that), 6 guards and 9 crewmen iirc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A plane with 60 POW's would carry like >80 people total
      That's the funny thing. They say 74 people died: 65 of which were prisoners, and 6 were aircrew, so barely any guards

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Per traded ukies they claimed about 20 guards per 50 POWs in their experience so yeah Russia is full of shit (shocker)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Coming up

        Per traded ukies they claimed about 20 guards per 50 POWs in their experience so yeah Russia is full of shit (shocker)

        Whaddya know, the Russians lied again.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia is saying

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Worst case scenario might be it was both. Russia was transporting missiles and started using Ukrainian POW as meat shields.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why would they do that anon? that means you're destroying your POW exchange fund and getting a ton of international backlash for essentialy no benefits
      ziggers are unimaginably stupid, but not to that point

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think thats what happened but the "ex"-KGB mobsters that run Russia, just like their idol, Stalin, couldn't give less of a frick about Russians being exchanged, if the Ukrainians just lined them all up and killed them en masse they'd love it because now they can gain something from it in terms of politics. To them, these POWs are worthless otherwise.

        And when you're a criminal and you're planning a scheme you don't plan on being caught or people finding out about it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t believe the lies of rushits and holhols.
    It was actually Ukrainian POWs shooting down S300 missiles with IL-76s.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards
    >Russia is saying
    Well we don't know if what Ukraine says is right but what Russia says is definitely wrong.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russians really like that one Batman meme

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    On the one hand you have Russia, who lies time and again, on the other you have Ukraine, who has a pretty good record so far in transparency.
    Gee, I wonder who I choose to believe.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    was a masked man one of the POWs?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, he was a big guy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I heard he was a big guy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sgt pavel, I’m KIA

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >"I am jon sienavich from boston, mass, and i too am KIA in todays crash"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They expected 65 of them in the crash

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any info on the serial number of the plane shot down? Theres a number being mentioned and seem to indicate the plane was coming from iran, but without a clear confirmation of the plane serial number, it could be anything

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No one knows for sure. Russians could have thrown a fit and cancelled the prisoner exchange after the shoot down.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"well son, did ya 'own the vatniks' today?"

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder that the fact that Russia has NOT claimed that this one was friendly-fire all but guarantees that the plane was shot down by Russian air defenses.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the only POWs it was caring were russain pow returned to russia being flown back to moscow for ass rapings.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know the fox and the grapes? Well Russia is like the logical progression of that. It's like a crow comes along and eats the grapes and the fox says "Haha! You fool. Now you'll get a stomachache. Now you'll pay the price for your hubris and I'm only mildly inconvenienced :^)"

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine gets more donated Patriot air defense systems
    >suddenly huge uptick in Russian planes falling from the sky
    >each time there's this big debate about how it happened or the circumstances
    >Footage of the crashed plane has holes all over it, showing it was shot down

    Sigh. This place is like a spin cycle, going round and round and round.

    The more Patriots Ukraine gets, the more Russian planes will drop from the sky.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Your post makes me think if this bullshit isn't the FSB's/GRU's way of getting Ukraine to back off with strikes inside Russia.

      Think it like this, I don't believe Ukraine ever shot down a flying strategic air asset inside Russia yet. So I could see the FSB's logic like this: The plane goes down, we say it was full of POWs in a way that makes it certain that people can't know that. See the Ukrainian response about it, where they themselves don't know and how the Russians shut down the prisoner transfer after the shooting down.

      This would be to create doubt and create a potential risk of a future shootdown killing Ukrainians, to get Ukraine to "back off" from doing any more strikes. So that they would at least "think twice" before doing it again.

      In this scheme, if there was POWs or not doesn't matter. If there was weapons on board or not it doesn't matter. Even if it was the Ukrainians who shot it down or not doesn't matter. Look at how prepared it seems this narrative was and how it seems the plane wasn't carrying either POWs or many equipment.

      This could all just be a disinformation operation to keep Ukraine from escalating into turning Belgorod into even more of a warzone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like the smart move for Ukraine then would be to just keep shooting them down. If Russia concedes the bluff, no POWs die. If they start using POWs as human shields on flights inside Russia, they have committed an unironic war crime.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Think it like this, I don't believe Ukraine ever shot down a flying strategic air asset inside Russia yet.

        They did. They wheeled the Patriots over and quickly shot a few then backed away. They never bragged or talked about it though. Then months later, a patriot air battery shows up with 4 more Russian plane kills confirming it.

        https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/14/europe/russia-aircraft-downed-ukraine-bryansk-intl/index.html

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Those weren't large airlift assets or AWACs and Command and Control planes like in the last weeks.

          Every Russian plane is irreplaceable, they wouldn't deliberately shoot down one.

          It wouldn't be done deliberately, it would be another case of Belgorod Air Defense doing its thing.

          And there aren't any bodies in the wreckage, so it isn't POWs either. It is very possible that Ukraine intelligence believed it was missiles, but the missiles were just a cover that Russia had put out and Ukraine still thought it was worth doing... But instead of missiles, it was an important person instead. Otherwise why the frick is there so much shit going on?

          [...]
          Except airbags and seat belts objectively do save lives and there isn't 150 people in a car that could get thrown about and mulched into each other if it crashes.

          I'm willing to bet there was nothing on that plane and this whole shitshow is a FSB disinformation operation to keep Ukrainians from shooting down more strategic planes they can't replace inside Russia. It explains the Ukrainian response being that they themselves don't know.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >mix of 'COGs, eokeks, the odd Elcan and 203s

            Godspeed little homies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Every Russian plane is irreplaceable, they wouldn't deliberately shoot down one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine won't stop shooting down planes. Even if Russians put a PoW on every single one it would still be with it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >They expect one of us in the wreckage brother

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Because an international investigation will prove who is lying.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Because russia is claiming that a whole bunch of POWs in their care were killed.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    Tacit acknowledgement they shot it down, just aren't going to comment on the POW angle.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's so bad about this situation is that Russian claims, despite being repeatedly proven to be lies, are still taken seriously by the media.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russian claims need to be reported so that you know its bullshit. Its like if Armchairwarlord says something is true you know the opposite is actually true.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't work that well, most people barely read past a headline, and a lot of special midwits treat everything at face value.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This tbh. There was that NYT article that got spammed by morons because the headline said Ukraine suffers heavy casualty in the counter offensive. Of course, when you actually read the article, it said the casualty was like 20% of the forces committed in the first 2 weeks, and after the Ukies stopped driving straight into minefield, 2 weeks after the counter-offensive started, the heavy losses stopped.

          But most morons that spammed that article didn't read past the headline.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm fricking SICK of how all the medias take the Kremlin's news statements just like that, without filter, without analyzing anything, which translates into a news banner "Moscow says Ukraine shot down a Russian plane transporting 60 of its POW". And more often than not, without even the fricking "Moscow says" on the banner.
      The frick are Reuteurs & co fricking doing, are they just fricking Kremlin relays. Well, they are agencies relaying things raw, so I could forgive them. But every other mainstream media just relaying Kremlin's shit as-is is just unforgivable. Did we fricking relay each news spouted by Goebbels back then? No, we fricking didn't.
      Traitors, traitors everywhere.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >without analyzing anything
        Same here with our local news agencies in EE.
        Man I feel bad for the real POW that were going to be exchanged. They will probably all disappear...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Note that this bullshit is what these scum do with anything, not just with Russia. "Journalists" don't analyze shit except if its convenient and beneficial to them. They don't give a frick. And if they can just outright put in hostile propaganda into their bullshit papers, they will. They don't care.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not journalist but news media

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards
    Except we have aftermath footage of the crash and there isn't 80+ bodies there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Some RUtard accounts are seriously coping that the bodies turned into mist and ash in such a crash and we won’t find any bodies lol lmao

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards.
    if russia says it we can rule that possibility out

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Because Russia claimed that they were POWs and therefore Russia endangered them and broke international law. So Zelensky wants to prove one of two things; they're negligent and are guilty of war crimes (lol lmao) or they're lying. I mean we already know they're lying - we've seen the fricking aftermath footage. There isn't 80 odd bodies there lmao.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how come every time ukraine shoots down a plane russia denies or is radio silent about it for a while, but this time they instantly claimed ukraine shot it down? that alone makes me suspicious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I imagine they had this misdirection script prepared after losing so many high value aircraft recently to make Ukraine wary of future attacks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I imagine they had this misdirection script prepared after losing so many high value aircraft recently to make Ukraine wary of future attacks.

      >Russia has agreed to a prisoner exchange
      >Plane shot down
      >in their anger they say the prisoners were on the plane and refuse to swap them

      That's a possible scenario. Russia has a habit of throwing crybaby fits.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >this time they instantly claimed ukraine shot it down? The Russian Ministry of Defense would like a word with you. They shot down an IL-76 shaped drone circumstantially at the same instant that an actual IL-76 was being shot down.

      Now, get this: they were both shot down at the same location. Shocker, I know. But, now the kremlin doesn't want to talk about glorious successful anti-air defenses protecting the vatnikistani people.

      Anyway, this has to be explained, not memory-holed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It would be funny if the Ukrainian drone was covered in aluminum foil to amplify radar returns, as suggested here
          https://nitter.poast.org/secretsqrl123/status/1749797574209376754#m

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        at what time was the plane shot down?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This isnt great proof, but first posting of original video appears to be at 10 in the morning in belgorod tg channel.
          Post says "moment of aircraft crash in korochany rayon. supposedly it is il-76. there is no official info".
          Yeah, i know it says "edited at 9:57", but some tg channel display fresh posts with "edited at" from the moment of posting.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i know it says "edited at 9:57"
            Could be the display time from a different time zone, wherever the screenshot was taken. And, depending on the software that displays the posts and whatever local options there are for display format, the "last edited:" for some places is the actual post time of the original post even if it was never edited after it was first posted. It's a language semantic that used to be common in old forum software ... I just don't know how common or possible it is today.

            A precise timeline for all events is required to help resolve some of these discrepancies.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >believing anything the russian state says ever.
    the fricking state of this board.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This still begs the question of why a plane carrying POWs to the front would be heading towards Moscow away from the front.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how do you know that it was?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Geolocation, moron.

        https://i.imgur.com/78kSFg5.jpg

        >Can someone figure out the landing approaches of the nearest airports in Belgorod?
        Problem is the plane was going in the complete opposite direction away from Belgorod

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Presumably because it was carrying Iranians, not POWs. Maybe along with munitions, maybe not. I don't believe Russia would get this loud and upset about a few bottle rockets, and they've lied about POWs being killed before so that story can be dismissed out of hand.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The wya they talk about it makes it sound like an acknowledgement they did it, but blaming Russia for it. Ukraine and Russia are quite disorganized, so I can see how that can happen.

    >Group A organizes the prisoner swap
    >Group B mans patriot air defenses
    >Patriot team sees big shiny Il-76 and can't believe their luck and fires
    >were not told about anything

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One thing I am not understand is what fricktard on either side thought using aircraft to move prisoners down "safe corridors" was even a good idea? There is no such thing as safe airspace over the whole of Ukraine and Russian borders. The missiles are long range, shots are opportunistic, air defense is often isolated and independent. There are shoulder fired missiles proliferated and people trained and aching to use them. Does not make sense from the first sentences in the story.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To the RU military there is no war, only a special military operation. And all large strategic aircraft were shot down by RU air defense troops who were deeply punished hard for their friendly fire.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Weird how after 14 hours or so there's still zero evidence of POWs being on the plane (or explanation why it was leaving Belgorod)

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Please point out the POWs in the crash site

    Coming up

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The most damning evidence is that ukraine essentially admitted it

    you wanna post a link to this admission pidor ?

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't misquote me, moron. They had boots on the ground and videos of the crash site within an hour of it happening. Zero reason why they couldn't show more than 2 bodies.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >just like before russia flies POW's into belogorod on il76 on the same day
    do you have a source on UA POW's being transported by plane? Is it a common practice?

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >after being hit
    It went straight down after being hit, moron.

    >after being warned
    Cargo planes do not turn around that fast, moron.

    >damning evidence
    You mean worthless, slanderous conjecture.

    >cancelled the exchange
    That was the ziggers, subhuman.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    We have literally video footage of the wreckage/crash site within a fricking hour, moron. It crashed RIGHT NEXT to a town. People went and looked. We have VISUAL VIDEO PROOF there are not 80 FRICKING bodies there. The only bodies we DO see are Russian crewmen in their orange uniform. So unless the local residents went and picked up every single crest hohol NAFO NATO HATO mercenary and then filmed it (for what reason? you're clearly schizo, so give me one) then there is no reason why the aftermath is not like the civilian airliner shot down in 2014.

    Next, why is Russia transporting people in an IL-76, a strategic cargo aircraft? 65 POWs gives them fricking ample space even with guards and crew. That's very odd. Why did they suddenly switch to aircraft transport when the literal dozens of other exchanges have been done via train and truck?

    Next, why did the numbers change from 60 POW to 65 after a few hours?

    Next, why did the names 'proving' the POWs were on board include names of POWs released weeks ago?

    Next, why is Russia overreacting like this? If this was simply just a POW transport shoot down (despite all the evidence saying that is bullshit) why are they reacting like Ukrainians shot down a civilian airliner full of Russian children and kittens and puppies?

    Don't be moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >unless the local residents went and picked up every single crest hohol NAFO NATO HATO mercenary and then filmed it
      BTW, just to pile onto this, also consider:

      Let us for a moment humor the conjecture that the 80 to 100 or so bodies had been removed. Somehow, within minutes of the crash.

      Study the snow field for all the available videos. There are no signs of footprints, heavy foot traffic, tire ruts, etc. all the activity that would be necessary to remove 80 corpses. Or, whatever was supposedly left of them.

      I'm trying not to make any hasty judgements here, but I'd sure like to see a credible explanation as to why all that newly falling snow is so undisturbed. Note that just one body skidded across the snow upon landing, and the tracks and blood trail it left is clearly visible.

      Where are all the others? All the foot traffic and hundred of people (if not thousands) who would have to be imminently present to somehow clean up all the bodies, body parts, blood traces, etc.

      There were never 80 bodies in that field. It's hard to imagine even eight or ten would have left the crash site so pristine.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    smashes into the ground at 400kph
    soft bodies to just be lying around.
    Yeah moron
    https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/mh17-bodies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there are literally bodies lying on the ground though
      but only two
      where are the remaining 63 + crew?

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    soft bodies to just be lying around.
    Yes, you can see two of them on the ground

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A Russian plane being shot down over a Russian city, supposedly by Ukraine?
    now that's air supremacy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A Russian plane being shot down over a Russian city, supposedly by Ukraine?
      >now that's air supremacy

      I mean, ignore everything else? Yeah we're getting there. More patriots means more coverage and pushing Russia further and further back. There is supposedly a Patriot battery in Orkhiv and Kherson as well.

      Then add F-16's and this could be serious.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >More patriots
        Except this was clearly not hit by a Patriot. We saw it 'land'. Chances are somebody took a pot shot on the border with a MANPAD as it was descending and got lucky.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I guess we now have more assurance that if NATO ever fight Russia for real, we'll get Desert Storm 2.0: Snow Edition.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    There. Are. Bodies. Visibly. Lying. Around. You. Absolute. Subhuman. moron.

    Just not nearly enough for Russias mythical 65 POWs. Now kindly have a nice day.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Whats this then homosexual? The only body that didnt vaporize for some reason?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Whats this then
      Sex doll for comfort of POWs during transport.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Iran holding Ukrainian POWs? Because the plane supposedly came from Iran.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >expects soft bodies to just be lying around
    THERE IS LITERALLY BODIES IN THE FOOTAGE. THEY'RE LITERALLY THERE. YOU CANNOT SAY THAT THE HALF A DOZEN BODIES OF RUSSIAN AIRCREW UNIFORMS ARE SOMEHOW FRICKING MADE OF ADAMANTIUM BUT THE APPARENT 65 POWS AND THEIR GUARDS ARE NOT.

    THERE WOULD BE DOZENS OF BODIES NOT FRICKING SIX.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those are just local fauna. You find men laying around dead or black out drunk in fields all over russia

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    please wait a few days, the fsb will bring in the bodies shortly

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They'll probably have clear indication of post-mortem dissection on the bodies, like back before the war with the DPR "civilian bodies" clearly taken from a morgue and burned in a car.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    We already have evidence of 2 bodies being almost completely intact

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >piece of
    That's like 90%+ of a body, you gigantic subhuman lying homosexual. have a nice day this instant.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is now going to claim every transport plane has Ukrainian prisoners onboard so they can avoid being shot at

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That is likely the reasoning. Since Russia keeps losing aircraft, they're going to make it seem like Ukraine is evil and hates their own and would rather kill their own than surrender. It's all part of the plan. Sure they had to waste a $10m aircraft for it but whatever. They always have more xaxaxaxax *~~*~~

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >63 bodies disappeared without so much as a drop of blood, hair, bone, skin, or fabric.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Except we've seen the aftermath of multiple aircraft shoot downs (such as civilian airliners) and the bodies are not vaporised. They are piled in the wreckage. You are not vaporising 70 odd bodies but leaving others perfectly in tact.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    A fuel explosion will not erase 65 bodies dumbass.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t think it would even erase one.
      Jet fuel is not exactly a high explosive.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good point, they might be extra crispy but there would still be a lot of bodies in that field.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You do understand that we have footage of wide swathes of the crash site, and there is not nearly enough bodies there to account for even a tiny fraction of Russias mythical 65 POWs, right? Now kindly kill youself, you gigantic subhuman lying piece of shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Airlines should really just tell you that in the event of a crash your whole body will be instantly vaporized if you don't wear a seatbelt.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The real reason you wear seatbelts isn't to save your life but to make sure when you die, you're attached to a seat and therefore a number and therefore a name. I mean it does help if you're trying to land and all but if the thing explodes it doesn't matter. It's for identification, not safety.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You would think russians would make prisoners wear a seat belt

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          same with cars, its all about reducing cleanup.
          airbags are only there to preserve dental records and make the coroners job easier

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Peak midwit mindset

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Peak midwit mindset

            >same with cars, its all about reducing cleanup.
            >airbags are only there to preserve dental records and make the coroners job easier
            Fuddlore: 5th Automotive edition

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >human-weighted projectiles flying around the cabin aren't a danger to others or to themselves

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And why should airlines lie like this, you gigantic subhuman lying piece of shit? have a nice day.

        You would think russians would make prisoners wear a seat belt

        Kinda hard to do when there's no seats, no seatbelts and no prisoners.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I was making a joke in both posts bud you should calm down

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >3 escorts for 65 men.

    Why would they do that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also some of these men were released on Jan 4th. So apparently in less than a month Ukraine not only sent those men back to the front but they were captured again.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >it is the only body in the whole crash
    True, which is a good thing we've got multiple videos of people walking through the wreckage and not showing more than a handful of bodies 🙂

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This body slide is a diversion and Anons should be trying to figure out the absolute nonsense aspects: flying from Iran - "safe corridor" in Ukie airspace - Russian aircraft - transponders off. There is some deep shenanigans. I guess important people might have been on the plane. Or nobodies just a sad crew depending on the depth of shenanigans.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia's been going super heavy on crybullying right now, trying anything they can think of to distract from Sweden joining NATO and further try to convince people to hop on the "Frick Ukraine" crowd.

      I mean they've been crying to the UN all month about evil HATO warcrimes.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    /Chug/ status?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      conclooding reports into the sinking of moskva suggests ship was operated entirely by a crew of ukrainian pows

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      e-girlposting and claiming the west will freeze... any day now.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wow, they really got a lot of mileage out of a throw away lie about POWs they already killed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >wow, they really got a lot of mileage out of a throw away lie about POWs they already killed.

      The exchange was set for today, but they couldn't have accounted for the plane being shot down. They likely just threw a hissy fit and cancelled the POW swap.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So regardless of the content of the plane. What's more likely? Ukrainian shot it down with Patriot or Russia friendly fire their plane with S-300 again?

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the terminal velocity of a free falling human body
    >is less than the terminal velocity of a plane made for flying with wings desperately trying to bellyflop safely onto the ground
    Olympic tier mental gymnastics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you clearly are a braindead moron. the plane is designed to fly fast, around mach 0.8. It is sleek. If a sam hits you and knocks out your hydraulics, you will just nose dive at max speed into the ground. If it destroys your control surfaces and your plane departs controlled flight at at high speed your plane will likely tear itself apart. We can clearly see the il76 rolling and and flying in forward. It was in one piece flying head first right into the ground. The terminal velocity of a plane wing is much less than a human body, but it's only the wing on it's own. It will flopp around and fall slowly like a peice of paper (relatively). A plane intact can exceed mach 1 in a dive because it's sleek.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wasn't this the AWACS that got shotdown? if so, then why THE FRICK are the rooskies using an AWACS as a cargo plane??

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's the OG airlifter version. The AWACS is based on that same airframe but it is, after modifications, essentially a different aircraft now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >wasn't this the AWACS that got shotdown
      No. A week or so ago, Ukraine claimed to have hit an A-50 and IL-22. We saw an image of a shredded IL-22 after it with claims only the co-pilot survived but who knows. The A-50 is nowhere to be seen and Russia stopped sending their other A-50's to the region and now keeps them in Russian airspace. So, pretty much confirms it got downed (despite cope posting). The IL-76 is a cargo aircraft. We have footage of it crashing and exploding and the aftermath. That was today. Ukraine said it was carrying S-300 missiles. Russia says it was carrying Ukrainian POWs. There is proof of neither.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thanks for the clarification.

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this is the same country that posted the SIM 3 pics.

    Russia knows no bounds to its stupidity.

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If there were 60 POWs killed by Ukraine the internet would be plastered with their bodies. Russia boasts about far less.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They sometimes post their own dead and pass them off as Ukrainian

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >almost 24 hours of repeating the same exact lie
    gotta admire the dedication ranjeesh is displaying here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the wects communist on the left middle row should wear this hat instead:

      [...]

      also OP of that thread is literally him lol

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You can see a (bluried) crew member here

    at sec 10, were are the other +70?

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Ukr Int admits that the plane was full of POWs

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't look like anything like missiles were detonating in that plane.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And there aren't any bodies in the wreckage, so it isn't POWs either. It is very possible that Ukraine intelligence believed it was missiles, but the missiles were just a cover that Russia had put out and Ukraine still thought it was worth doing... But instead of missiles, it was an important person instead. Otherwise why the frick is there so much shit going on?

      same with cars, its all about reducing cleanup.
      airbags are only there to preserve dental records and make the coroners job easier

      Except airbags and seat belts objectively do save lives and there isn't 150 people in a car that could get thrown about and mulched into each other if it crashes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        whatever the plane or what's in it was supposed to be, it has to be important enough for the intensive shilling campaign we are seeing now

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly.
          >Russia uses codes saying they are 'delivering S-300 missiles to Belogrod'
          >Ukraine/USA/UK SIGINT aircraft grab this and pass it on or some other intelligence gathering
          >Ukraine hits it
          >It isn't carrying missiles but something important
          >Chatter is picked up that it is important
          >Both sides panic over what was actually involved
          I see no other reason for this kind of reaction.

          what's the cost of one of these planes anyway?

          50 million bux, give or take

          $50 million but they also can't make anymore

          $50m as of 2008. Simply applying inflation makes it $70m.

          Even odds it was one of monke's body doubles.

          Could be. Or an important guy like Shoigu or something. It really truly is odd this reaction.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Would you really call Shoigu important? Isn't he just Putin proxy in the MoD? All he ever does was saying what Putin allow him to say. Beside that one time when he does the shrug I guess.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Damages 'Russia stronk' image. It is no longer a SMO if you start losing important government officials! Fricking mental how this many people can die and the Russian government can keep it all quiet and nobody cares when during their Afghan war they had riots and protests. Putin really is a master of internal control.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Believe it or not, Shoigu is the closest thing to a Putin successor right now. And he'd be much better to the Russian Mafia state and worse for the West than Putin.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Could be. Or an important guy like Shoigu or something. It really truly is odd this reaction.
            Shoigu's corpse just flew over my house!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even odds it was one of monke's body doubles.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >https://gur.gov.ua/content/cohodni-mav-vidbutysia-obmin-polonenymy-iakyi-ne-vidbuvsia.html

    yeah, there's nothing in terms of a ukranian "admission" there at all though you lying zigger c**thole.
    KYS.

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    "Ukr int" has admitted no ushc thing outside of your delusional lies, curryBlack person.

    And the "name" of this factual refutation of your moronic bullshit is "You're a lying subhuman curryBlack person and should have a nice day this instant". You're welcome.

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >that's a hohol airplane
    >it's a warcrime
    What a daring synthesis.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    new cope is
    >russia don't have to publish hohol corpse pics ok?
    >also, zelensky is canceling his birthday party so it's totally hohols on the plane, ok?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean lets for a second assume it was full of hohols crests NAFO NATO HATO mercs, I don't think the trade is worth it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what's the cost of one of these planes anyway?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          50 million bux, give or take

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            $50 million but they also can't make anymore

            You know, have to give Russia credits, they managed to distract the normalgays and midwits from the fact that Russia lost another expensive plane

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              this was exactly purpose of bot spamming and newbies eat it

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >they managed to distract the normalgays and midwits from the fact that Russia lost another expensive plane
              This, it was surprisingly effective, now everyone argues about muh PoWs instead of laughing at big stronk Russia for not being able to protect its own airspace against the poorest Euro country.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Besides that we have more oil supply and pipes being blown up on russian soil yesterday and today. Abd probably more are going to have Smoker incident tomorrow and day after.

                Ukies prepared and organized massive and succeful action of infiltrating Ziggerland and are ranning drones upon thier logistics chains and the great FSB didn't saw that comming. This is probably bigger humiliation that shooting down planes with patriots.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's more Ukraine promised not to target Russian oil for the US so gas prices wouldn't rise, but since the US isn't holding up their end of the deal, Ukraine has taken the gloves off.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          $50 million but they also can't make anymore

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shoigu's mainly a figurehead because monkee trusts him in that position instead of an actual military man, he got it as a reward for loyalty

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wrong. he is in that position because the TVVAN BVLLA controls Moscow itself. the Anglo Saxon, das juden, HATO, it was all a distraction while the Tuvan terror wormed it's way closer to global domination

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    every single significant Russian plane to missile collision ao far
    >Russia: NOT HOHOLS. Small woopsie, we accidentally ourselves. NOT HOHOLS. Happens all the time. BBC air defense too good, please understand. NOT HOHOLS.
    This plane gets hit traveling from Belgorod to Moscow
    >Russia: HOHOLS DID IT. In fact, it was the Ghost of Kyiv himself. Bandera was pilot.

    I'm starting to think this time they did accidentally themselves for real.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >just assume the opposite of what the Russians say
      interesting, compelling even

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's nothing new, it's been that way since the soviet era.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There never were any POWs, stop listening to Russia
      >There were POWs but Russia probably shot it down

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There were POWs
        Except anybody who has seen the wreckage before the Russian MoD shut access down saw there were no fricking bodies bar the crewmen. The POW shit is cope. It was something important and they're saying it is POW to make Ukraine not risk shooting other aircraft because they might have POWs on them. Stop being moronic. PLEASE. If we didn't have video evidence of the lack of bodies, I could understand, but we do.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of moronic vatnik cope whatever happened to the Kakhova dam narrative? Ziggers were spamming about as much as they are now about it being a hohol plot but do they still claim that or did they just move on to the next cope narrative?

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that the fricking frogs of all people blocked Lavrov's hissyfit in the UN tells me enough about whether or not there were POW's on board.
    That and the fact the only corpses seen in the footage are the ones of pilots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Lavrov'
      Why hasn't the US revoked his Visa, why should Russia be allowed to use the UN as their crying post?

      Say he can't fly in and if Russia complains ban them from New York so they have to talk to the UN via an easily jammable zoom call

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have stopped following this war quiet a awhile ago but I keep sing shit like this all the time.
    How is Russia still going? Something feels very off here. Either Russian loses are way over exaggerated or Russia should be on the point of total collapse now. It took way fess for Russia to exit Afganistan.
    Somebody enlighten me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >How is Russia still going?
      They are desperately trying survive. Which isn't a very good thing considering they are the invading force. And Russia managed to survive losing millions of soldiers in WW2. They can still bleed a bit more.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >And Russia managed to survive losing millions of soldiers in WW2
        Yeah, when the birthrate was 5 kids for every woman and they had another 15 vassal states to do the fighting for them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They have a lot of men, a lot of old shit from the Cold War from more than 40 years ago and a lot of money to buy from North Korea, Iran and China and that's not getting into how they're now recruiting people from outside Russia. Like Somalis and Cubans.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Like Somalis and Cubans.

        We've seen a few east africans, but the Cuban recruitment operation was closed by Cuba. I also saw a report of Malaysians as well. I hope all these dupes get captured as POW rather than being killed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dupes my ass, they even post selfies in uniform in Russia, that's how we know its happening. And Cuba already had announced they "closed down" the operation before new Cubans showed up in RU uniforms on the internet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're just poor idiots who don't know what they're getting into. They're promised good pay, good medical care, and a short contract. Then they're thrown into the meat grinder and whoops, don't have to pay a corpse. Next idiot line up!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The same can be said about all the Russian military personnel.

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Literally a "trust me bro" situation
    Too bad there isn't an independent third party to check. Would an independent crash investigator even be allowed to go in there now? If not, then you know who's lying.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      russian ministry of defense immediately sealed the area, blocked even russian police and civilian helpers, etc.

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If this audio is authentic, it opens the veil of Russian propaganda lies.
    We offer to listen to today's conversation probably between the operator of the military airfield tower and the duty officer of the fire rescue station No. 25 in the village of Bekhteyevka, Korochansky district,
    https://t.me/nevzorovtv/13703

    Sounds fake tbh, but they talk about preparation to extinguish hydrazine and kerosene, instead of answering which missles were onboard.

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ICAO charts for belgorod.
    Yeah i know C in ICAO is for Civil, but approach to belgorod airport for military aircraft shouldnt be very different from this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Im sorry, but where IL76?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >where IL76?
      Went home under own power

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      maybe Russians scored an own goal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >25.01

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >russians claim every single plane that went down in the past months was actually either friendly fire, an accident, or didn't even happen
    >specifically this one plane, which allegedly carried pows, is the exception
    convenient

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >ukranians claim every single plane that went down in the past months was actually either patriot, iris t, or browning
      >specifically this one plane, which allegedly carried pows, is the exception

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        only thing that could shoot it down is a patriot, and these were supposedly all destroyed by hypersonic magic missiles

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Still zero (0) evidence of POW bodies?

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So, its been entire day.
    There are 3(?) bodies on videos from the crash site and giant fireball after it crashed.
    Where are the pows and guards?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sourcing bodies and copies of Sims 3 takes time, please understand.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They'll start appearing today as FSB kills and chars corpses of POWs they were supposed to trade.
      Gotta cover up whatever happened at any cost.

  90. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Zelensky cancels his plans and calls for an international investigation of the crash
    >This is a day after Ukrainian media claimed AFU had shot down a transport plane but then quickly redacted their articles
    >A POW exchange was planned for that day
    >Apparently Russians have already used planes to transport their POWs for exchanges
    Surely, this isn't suspicious at all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it's staggering how people can still believe Russia in any capacity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ukies and Ruskies are same soviet-slavic school of lies, just remember the heroes of the snek island.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >le both sides
          End yourself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            don't let emotions cloud your judgment.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              moron shill trying to poison the well.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              kys

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                let those emotions flow anon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >just remember the heroes of the snek island.
          Oh I remember the heroes of Snek Island!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > calls for an international investigation of the crash
      Yeah really makes you wonder why russia didn't do that for their plane right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      don't let emotions cloud your judgment.

      moronic pig

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        meh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>This is a day after Ukrainian media claimed AFU had shot down a transport plane but then quickly redacted their articles
      literally no proof of this you moronic pig

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        screenshots everywhere...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          one fake screenshot you moronic pig

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >screensot claiming ukrainian pravda deleted news
          >meanwhile ukrainian pravda right now
          You are a homosexual and a shill

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Im shill but idk bout homosexual since Im not into so called western values.
            in the end maybe it was zelensky sending message to his troops what happens if you surrender instead fight.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Someone should kill you to send a message tbhqhbhfh

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                idk anon, you east euro slav are next in line for globohomosexual trenches

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm happy to wipe out slaves.

                people of russia have no right to self rule and they agree, since they have given that right away.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                verz weak comeback anon.
                you slavs will never understand subtle western humor nor will zou be able to replicate it.
                zou will never be west kek

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Im not into so called western values
              So you became homosexual by force, not by your choice? Mobik fate i guess

  91. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.unian.net/war/padenie-il-76-sbu-otkrylo-proizvodstvo-12522873.html?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=unian_channel

    Why would Ukrainian SBU open a criminal investigation when apparently Russians shot down their S-300 carrying Il-76 flying from Iran? What's the point?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because they shot down their own plane then claimed Ukraine did it and there were a billion PoWs inside and 50 dombabwe children.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because they need to investigate the claims, moron.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hmmm, why is this the first time they do that?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They do it all the time.
          https://ssu.gov.ua/en/novyny/sbu-povidomyla-pro-pidozru-eksochilnyku-olenivskoi-kolonii-yakyi-prychetnyi-do-katuvannia-bilshe-100-voiniv-zsu-video
          https://mipl.org.ua/en/war-crime-in-olenivka-investigation-into-the-events-related-to-the-massacre-of-imprisoned-azov-regiment-soldiers/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Real countries with real judicial system follow statutory prodedures, even if something is "obvious" for schizos.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao, Russians do this shit non-stop.
        They mass produce criminal investigations about popular topics, it's a post-USSR shithole thing, not 'real judicial system following statutory procedures' lmao, get real.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's literally how russia disinformation works.
          they spam "alternate theories" of what happened so morons don't know what's true or not.
          Frick, they even started back in 2014 saying Ukraine crucified 3 years old or how "Ukranian missiles turn around after impact so they look like they came from russian side" when the UN was visiting the NPP

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would SBU investigate a war crime that Russia is claiming they did you fricking moron, I wonder

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russian bullshit claim that the plane from iran was actually carrying pows despite no photos showing pows exist and cargo list state names of pows who haven't been pows for months
      >"hmm since we're not subhuman russians with worthless lives and we don't breathe only to suck male dicks and claim it's not gay if you do it in the army, we should investigate it like a modern country that is not undergoing collapse"
      Internet schizos, pedos, thirdies and subhumans
      >"A STATEMENT ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION BEING STARTED PROVES THAT UKRAINE KILLED ITS OWN AND THE WAR IS NOW WON BY RUSSIA"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia claims 65 dead pows
      >hurrrrrdurrrrr y Ukraine investigate then
      Can we just range ban all Indian IPs at this point?

  92. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The plane transported Iranian generals with ballistic missiles, this is what all the russian butthurt about.

  93. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the plane carried POWs for real, and it was shot down, judging by the shrapnel holes.
    The only question for me is who did it and why. 99% chance it was a mistake.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think you're a complete braindead street shitting piece of subhuman shit and evidence agrees.

  94. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stage one
    >Plane is fine
    Stage two
    >Plane crashed itself
    Stage three
    >Americans shot it down
    >okay ukranians shot it down but it wasnt carrying irreplacable s300 parts
    Okay ukranians shot it down but it was carrying POWs
    >Okay actually pows were up for exchange
    >What no it wasnt coming from iran despite flight radar saying it was, it was coming from pow exchange site to pow exchange site
    >Actually ukrranians deleted all info on it cause we were right
    >what photos and videos of crash, these were all filmed by ukranian special ops, they must be disgarded
    >we will never know who is lying
    >both sides are lying see above mess of info (mostly put out by vatnik telegrams)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      also why those planes are fyling under capacity. russia gives option to every pow to seek asylum before final flight and many take it so plane actually returns only half full.

  95. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SO, did Guerassimov comment anything regarding this incident?

  96. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russians trying to deflect the embarrassment of losing another air asset by going:
    >akshuyally the plane was full of hohols xaxaxaxa*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~)
    Cancelling the POW exchange means no one call readily disprove it.
    Good enough cope for /misc/troons, everyone else not skullfricked by Russian state propaganda should be able to see through the crap.

  97. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting how precisely we can gauge how bad any given russian frickup is based exclusively on their shill response.

  98. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >One of the names on Simonyan's list of POWs killed in the crash was Maxim Anatolievich Konovalenko, a prisoner known to have already been repatriated to Ukraine during an exchange on 3 January 2024
    lmoa

  99. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ziggers were spamming all day that the GUR admitted there were 65 POWs on board, despite the GUR just saying they can't know what was on board so couldn't confirm or deny anything.

    Now the GUR is sharing intel they have acquired that only 5 bodies were delivered to the morgue in Belgorod and that the plane was supposed to have military and political VIPs on board, but the FSB forbade them from boarding last minute.

    Sooo, ziggers, where the frick are the bodies? Why has the Belgorod morgue only received 5 bodies? Why does the GUR have intel about VIPs being planned to be on the plane at first?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the plane was supposed to have military and political VIPs on board, but the FSB forbade them from boarding last minute.
      Called it:

      They either planned to jebait the ukes into shooting down the plane (and then start an agitprop circus), or tried to do a sneeki breeki which didn't pan out.

      Jebait attempt. The FSB were aware the ukes hadn't been informed this time. They deliberately pulled this stunt.

  100. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So basically it turns out there were POWs onboard, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Basically if you blindly trust Russian statements without a single piece of evidence corroborating it, then yes.
      >3 bodies identified on the crash site so far

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So basically Russia decided to just 180 on going to the UN with the issue... That's funny...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh fug. A proper 3rd party investigation would blow the lid on this, so this confirms their story was lies.

        My take is that Russia setup the prisoner exchange, but then the plane was shot down, so they threw a hissy fit and cancelled the plane crash. Prisoners might be dead in a pit or facing torture as we speak.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >there were 49,621 dead POWs on the scene
        >no you may not see them
        LMAO

  101. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As far as I know the theory of the s400 or s300 was made up by ucraine media. Kiev did not made any statement till this media campaign but had to make a statement after this theory by the media got international.. Ahem... Interests.

    At least that is what news media in Germany told at the day it happend.

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