What’s going on? Ukranians say it was transporting S-300 missiles and Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards.
Il-76 crash
What’s going on? Ukranians say it was transporting S-300 missiles and Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards.
UK POW got first to travel by plane while mobiks gets to travel in trucks and trains.
>Russia says...
I wonder what the story could be. I guess nobody will ever know who is lying and who is telling the truth.
says...
>I wonder what the story could be. I guess nobody will ever know who is lying and who is telling the truth.
I can help you: Russia is ALWAYS lying!
Russian mainteinance during winter on times were technicians and spare parts are becoming scarce
notice how when ukies actually shoot down (x) the katsaps barely say anything but today they instantly claim it's full of ukrainian pows?
Footage of the crash site only showed dead crew but no dead POWs, so russia is probably lying (as usual)
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VatBlack folk refuse to adress this.
>THEY ALL MAGICALLY DISSAPEARED IN THE FIRE MMKAY??
Look at crashed airliner pictures before bodies are removed and compare
I couldn't sleep properly for two days after looking at MH17 photos.
>Footage of the crash site only showed dead crew but no dead POWs
Bullshit. You see when the plane started to crash the piggie pows hopped into the crematorium contained on the plane and turned to dust. Very sinple if you use yourre brain *~~
First is it normal procedure to transport POW in a plane near the frontline? Can AA even differentiate the planes they are allowed to shoot or not? Is it something that already happened?
It feels fishy but once again if it's something that is usual, I have no reason to suspect anything.
My issue is, why would they air transport ANYTHING near a border and within enemy AD? It COULD make sense if it was an agreed-upon, scheduled flight…but why fly prisoners instead of putting them on a train and trucking them overland across a border checkpoint? Seems like a poor use of a large transport aircraft…for Russia anyway. No one would bat an eye if it was the U.S.
You guys have to understand that when Russia says there's no war they''re not fricking around. They're really "lying". Same with them saying the Moskva was an "smoking accident" or that the A-50 got show down by friendly fire. They in fact, hunt down people in the RU military for "shooting it down" and punish them, there's likely dead RU air defense troops executed for that.
They act as an institution accordingly to these bullshit narratives. So to them there's no reason to not fly the plane near the border, after all there's no war, only an "Special Military Operation" and the Ukrainians shooting it down is something that hasn't happened yet.
People really still don't understand the bullshit the Russians are at this point.
Vranyo is a dominance display in the form of a lie, so both dismissing it aggressively and accepting it are shows of submission. The only true counter is finding the truth from the evidence independently and presenting it in a dispassionate manner. Find the runway approaches of the nearest airports and overlay them on the route that the Il-76 was flying.
Vranyo presupposes an immediate and tangible power dynamic between the liar and the listener, which is ubiquitous in Russia. If the listener chooses to be as autistic as possible and analyze the lie and cross-reference it with real procedures then it loses its effect.
>*Vranyo*
>*Maskirovka*
The only true counter is Total Zigger Death, just like muslims and their hundred different ways of lying its pointless to deal with in any other way than a fricking carpet bombing, lets end the third world once for all i can't stand this moronic bullshit anymore.
Bruh Russia is the second world
maybe it's time we do away with cold war terminology. First world now should be NATO and its allies. Second world should be those that want to be prosperous and civilized like first world but still not there yet. Third world seethes about the first two.
the whole point of the first and second world was to delineate battle lines and spheres of influence. the third world didn't mean developing, originally, it meant everyone else. Hell, I bet India was called a second world nation at a few points. but since the third world was china+shitholes... an association formed
Yes, time changes and so did words. I mean I understand if you need to stick with the technicality of it but really, nowadays people think of BRICS and the assorted Islamic + African shitholes as third world, I don't think second world as a term is used anymore.
>Vranyo is a dominance display in the form of a lie, so both dismissing it aggressively and accepting it are shows of submission.
I will dismiss vranyo with Patriot missiles.
why wouldn't sarcasm or mockery work? why be amnesic about previous vranyo whenever new vranyo is presented, isn't it a form of submission to expend effort in dispelling it every single time?
You misunderstand - the point isn't to make actual believable lies, they would actually make the effort to come up with good lies if that were so.
By accepting and propagating the shit lies, you humiliate and cuck yourself to the system. Even making fun of them or being sardonic or sarcastic about them still allows them to stand.
You have to flatly and emphatically dismantle the moronation before you start laughing in the liar's face, because then you're not just exposing the lie but exposing him as a homosexual cuck.
Just remember whenever you deal with a vatBlack person shill; they are active participants in a homosexual dominance hierarchy, and they are very much near the bottom.
this strikes me as unsustainable as long as they can trigger you into expending the effort to dispel their lies. when people can, with trivial effort, make you work hard for free, you are working for them.
>please stop exposing our lies
No.
>i like being trolled by vatniks
>it gives me a sense of purpose
>w-we just trollin
LMAO *they're not really "lying".
That's what I meant to say but I typed that out instead. Jesus, seems I struggle psychologically to actually say the bullshit madness the Russian state actually does.
Anyway, the thing is that terms of institutions acting, the Russians would never NOT transport strategically important planes like this IL-76M in Belgorod, because officially, there is no war and no strategic planes shot down by Ukrainians, it was all friendly fire. They don't want you to "believe" that. They just go on and act like its true and will fricking kill you if you don't agree. It's that simple.
Like, you know the Russian Ministry of Defense official casualty numbers? The whole RU military acts on those numbers. Officially, according to directives, to direct policy, none of all these Russian troop casualties you're seeing actually exist. Hence the bizarre suicidal way the RU military acts. To them none of these major casualties are even happening.
any way to prove youre an expert on russian psychology and propaganda
>LIDL rim cover.
>Lada.
>Bullet holes
>Trunk do not closes properly
>smashed windshield.
>Bad grafitti level Z's sprayed
>Lifeless eyes.
Vatnik aesthetics have strict guidelines.
Those men are 100% dead by now. Same with the ones in this picture.
Yeah, my first reaction was also WHY WOULD YOU FLY ANYWHERE NEAR THE FRONT LINE.
Even if the Ukies shot the plane down, the Russians as good as killed them like drunk drivers. What a bad way to convey POWs.
They were claiming the flight plan was acknowledge and agreed upon by the Ukrainians. Did we see any Russian attempt to show "proof" of such plan yet?
they'll fake something up perhaps, will maybe import some bodies and ukie nationalist paraphernalia to the crash site also - that or quietly let it drop and move on to some other total fricking bullshit altogether.
How do I invest in sims 4 sales in russia
>sales
I assume fsb still has a little money
they will just pirate it, if they can
Yes but they need the boxes.
surely they can just order some from alibaba?
There's no proof, hohol. there is everything, and it is known.
It was regular practice for pow exchange and it was done before. Ruskies would ask Ukies for safety corridor for planes but something went weong this time.
They either planned to jebait the ukes into shooting down the plane (and then start an agitprop circus), or tried to do a sneeki breeki which didn't pan out.
Yes I can see russia sacrificing irreplaceable hardware worth millions for PR points with a world that is universally hostile.
>It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
yes russia would do that, they were doing that the whole war
narcisism of randoms and npc's thinking anyone cares that much about their opinion.
They shelled a Dontesk Market Place earlier this week just so they could cry to the UN about it.
Coincidentally, it was the same marketplace people used to make disparaging video clips about Penis "Multi-Level Marketing Guru" Pushilin.
or maybe someone just fricked up. idk whats the big deal anyways, hundreds die on both sides everyday.
>or maybe someone just fricked up.
Prisoner transfers happen at a level high enough that whips can be freely cracked to make the warslaves pay attention, for once. And the standard precedent was that ukes always got advanced warning whenever a plane carrying prisoners was approaching the contact line. Which leads me to believe it wasn't just a classic case of wartime moronation.
who knows who really operates that partriot batteries, I doubt it's really ukies, probably some us contractors with data fed directly by us military and maybe someone failed to issue notice in that chain.
SAS general Boris Johnson probably.
it takes time to train crew. same here in croatia, mi24 helis where flown by ukro and ruskies contractors since there was no time to train domestic crews. I can only imagine how complex patriot battery is to operate and maintain.
When you remove the traditional slav sodomy, corruption and other bullshit from the equation, training a crew to a western SAM system isn't some miraculous feat. Even less so if they are familiar with somewhat similar system.
Russia doesn't have the air logistics capacity to spare for fricking POWs
Oh well they have even less now *~~)
>First is it normal procedure to transport POW in a plane near the frontline?
It turns out that during this war in Ukraine, it has been normal procedure. A lot of earlier threads mocked it, but a number of POW stories have surfaced that verify planes (and, specifically an IL-76) have been used for several exchanges. We have to factor that into the context ... and also very much why nobody seemed to know this plane was where it was and what was (allegedly) on it. There was a lack of communication, or some catastrophic breakdown in it.
>Can AA even differentiate the planes they are allowed to shoot or not?
To some degree for some systems, but capabilities vary, as does setup and location weather conditions ... all sorts of factors. A plane should be flying with an ffo transponder on, especially over their own territory. We still don't know which side shot it down yet, or with what. Circumstantial evidence and speculation so far do not equal definitive evidence or conclusions.
The Ukies seem to be leaving the door open that they shot something down, and yet to be determined what. Vatnikstan claimed they shot something down at the exact time & location, then hushed it up. Who y'a gonn'a believe?
>but a number of POW stories have surfaced that verify planes
Without proof of their claims, it is just claims. Especially when others have been transported by truck and train. Then, ultimately, there is no fricking bodies in the wreckage bar the aircrew. There should be dozens of bodies. There isn't.
>but a number of POW stories have surfaced that verify planes
There's been exactly 1.
Except there are sources going around saying that the plane was in Iran yesterday, are you saying Iran is illegally detaining Ukrainian POWs?
Yeah, sure.
Two versions have appeared in the media today - the first is that the plane allegedly came from the Middle East, not Moscow. However, this is not the case, Verstka found out. Telegram channel "Skrinka Pandori", which was referred to by the media, wrote (https://t.me/pandoras_box_ua/35022) that the crash was allegedly caused by a flight number RA-78830. However, according to (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-78830#33ba78b2) Flightradar data, this Il-76 last signalled near Cyprus at 10:10 Moscow time, while the crash was claimed by the Defence Ministry to have occurred at 11:15.
The aircraft would simply not have had time to cover the distance from Cyprus to the Belgorod region in an hour and a bit. In addition, it appears that RA-78830 was preparing to land in Syria - during the last 15 minutes of signalling it dropped in altitude from 32,000 feet to 20,300 feet.
counterclaims I have seen
>1. this type of plane is not appropriate for transporting POWs. It would be like using a helicopter to go to the shops.
>2. previous POW exchanges were done via land routes
>3. the plane took off from Iran
>4. names of prisoners supposedly in the crash match names of prisoners already exchanged over a month ago - not just one or two, but a quarter of the total amount
>5. no photos of more than a couple of bodies
>6. unusually prompt and co-ordinated narrative from russian sources which might indicate a pre-baked narrative for the next time such a plane was downed
in general it is a safe bet to assume russia is lying
no matter what really happened here, it is ridiculous for russia to put such an aircraft so close to Ukrainian AA
Unironic neutral proposal:
This plane was obviously shot down at low altitude. So it was either taking off, landing or flying low to avoid long-range ground-based radars. Can someone figure out the landing approaches of the nearest airports in Belgorod?
>Can someone figure out the landing approaches of the nearest airports in Belgorod?
Problem is the plane was going in the complete opposite direction away from Belgorod
I am aware that it was flying away from Belgorod, so the natural Russian cope will be that it was on the upwind or crosswind leg of its landing approach. It couldn't have been taking off because that would imply the POWs had already disembarked and it couldn't have been cruising at low altitude because that means there were no POWs at all.
The only way the zigger story makes sense is if the aircraft was still loaded with POWs and it was flying away from Belgorod to line itself up with the runway of a nearby airport that can handle Il-76s. But this requires that the plane be either in parallel or perpendicular to a nearby airport, if it's neither of those then that plane was delivering materiel.
>was flying away from Belgorod to line itself up with the runway
That's the current zigger cope however it doesn't make much sense because regular air travel was canceled a long time ago in Belgorod so the runways should be empty, also it got shot down way too far from Belgorod to have been waiting in a holding pattern.
its correct to assume that ziggers are lying whenever their lips are moving, but approaching/departing airports depends more on wind direction than the direction of your destination/departure point. Aircraft want to take off/land facing into the wind. Helps with fuel efficiency/max load and makes things easier on the airframes/pilots. I don't know anything about the airport this thing took off from, but it's perfectly possible that the normal take off procedure there for the winds they had that day is to take off on the north facing runway and fly north for dozens of miles before leaving the departure pattern and heading whatever direction your intended destination is.
Regardless its fricking obvious there were no POWs on that plane because there are no bodies. We've seen something in the wreckage photos that looks suspiciously like a crew members bodies so it wasnt the kind of crash that just incinerates/pulverizes everyone down to shards of bone, if there were 80+ POWs on board we would see them.
According to Russia, it took off from Moscow and was headed to Belgorod, which doesn't line up at all as an approach.
Yeah, considering the amount of supposed casulties, it's odd that this place isn't being bombarded with pics of dead POWs that landed in someone's backyard. Maybe the Russians are just being tactful, or the mods are doing their jobs and deleting the threads in seconds, or it could be that the bodies just don't exist. Could be any of three options, really.
>Maybe the Russians are just being tactful
Even if zigger MOD didn't release these photos, they'd be all over zigger TGs.
>Russians are just being tactful
Lol
Lmao
Gradually, I began to hate them
The video is one of the worst things I've ever seen. The polar bear is rolling around in agony, and the Russians are laughing at it.
you describing that makes me want to punch a fricking wall.
goddam i hate ziggers so much.
kill every single one of them.
This really needs to viral, worldwide. Try to get the attention of mainstream news and get it broadcast. Doesn't matter when it happened, just demonstrate to the world what it means to be ziggers. This would generate more public outrage than blowing up an opera house full of children. Just fricking sickening.
If someone can stomach it, webm the video in highest possible quality and post it in a /gif/ rekt thread. Let it circulate a bit and it'll start getting reposted elsewhere.
you know how ziggers will cope
>it's not real, is fake, where's the proof it's real
at this point, I think anyone that can be convinced is already convinced, the rests are ziggers and nootroler
>This really needs to viral, worldwide. Try to get the attention of mainstream news and get it broadcast.
The only way you'd be able to do that, is by going through those greentard associations. Guess who finances them. They won't go against their master. They'll be quiet like the good slaves they are, and go back to say "nuclear energy is le bad, pls buy cheap Russian natgas instead"
Link?
https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1748353017940750397
It's pretty fricked up
Fascism is when you throw firecracker at bear.lel
Fascism is a lefty buzzword.
This on the other hand is just a staple of subhuman behavior.
Almost all of the animal torture videos you'll find are from Black folk, browns, SEA monkeys and chinks.
More like logistics fricked up again and bodies of pow they executed day earlier weren't delivered on time.
/k/ being a blue board, it's curated
a lot of gore posters these last two years have learned to fear that
/pol/
/gif/
/b/
all boards you can hunt around on. /gif/ has had regular war rekt threads just filled with all sorts of evidence that the HATO is trying to hide from you
You can link posts from other boards. Show us these evidence
>filled with all sorts of evidence that the HATO is trying to hide from you
anon
>lot of gore posters these last two years have learned to fear that
I am a regular enjoyer of 3 day 4chsn vacations. That "star pattern convoy canvas perforation motif" webm was particularly spice, and, I'LL FRICKING DO IT AGAIN. Just after this newest plane drama dies down and the need for such a bold move arises.
much obliged
visit /gif/ many troony and BBC porn the fascist racist imperialist West is trying bury
> so the natural Russian cope will be that it was on the upwind or crosswind leg of its landing approach
You don’t do 30km pattern legs. And you DEFINITELY don’t do it in a war zone
Again, to the RU military there is no warzone. Only a "Special Military Operation".
It was more 30 miles not 30km. Pretty sure the only usable belgorod airport is the civvie one (EGO). You don't generally have a holding pattern that far out and at that angle relative to the runway. plane was probably outbound or the ATC was on tripping balls krokodil.
>Pretty sure the only usable belgorod airport is the civvie one (EGO). You don't generally have a
Ziggers insist on "il-76 has rugged landing gear, it can handle landing anywhere, it was designed for it! and area around belgorod has dozens of airstrips in varying degrees of abandonment! you can't be sure it wasn't heading towards one of overgrown ww2 airstrips in the fields!".
>you can't be sure it wasn't heading towards one
you can see it flying (falling) on its side
it wasn't trying to fly anywhere
the russkies might try to claim to have built some secret Guadalcanal tier airfield next to a major city with a perfectly usable airport because they hate their own maintenance crews and aircraft availability, but i doubt it. Suspect either there were no POWs or some dipshit forgot to follow procedure and didn't tell the ukies to "please no shoot plane with your guys on it"
Where are the nearest airports relative to the flight trajectory before the shootdown?
>https://opennav.com/airport/UUOB
I think the crew might have followed the old departure charts (2013 new ones are 2023) for STANDARD DEPARTURE CHART INSTRUMENT (SID) - ICAO. RWY 29 following SOMUM 3.
This will make you overfly both yablonove and Korotscha. If someone has the wind it can confirm the direction of T/O.
I don't think it can be a departure since the holding pattern is closer to the airport. (check https://vatrus.info/airport/UUOB?lang=eng number 147 to see the hold)
The updated charts don't have SOMUM but have two points named ASDES and ABLAU that are ~10 km away from the crash site so unless the crew got a direct to SOMUM they shouldn-t have overflown there
I'm fairly drunk rn so don't take this as serious
Chekists saw opportunity in the loss. Later they will release names of POWs they tortured to death as proofs.
this was my first thought - they lost the plane but to use it to their advantage and conceal pows dying in captivity they will just tell ones who died were on that plane...
It could just be: no one shot down anything, just incompetence caused a crash and Russia is opportunistically using it to explain away prisoners they’ve lost because they’re treaty-bound to take care of them.
except the list they released to 'prove' there were POWs on board included names of people released months ago.
On all the first on the scene footage: like 4 bodies
A plane with 60 POW's would carry like >80 people total. So where are all the bodies? MH17 had shitloads of them
Sorry haven't been online the whole day, but where did you see the footage? Mind helping a brotha out
Coming up
Thank you brother. TZD
>that blood sprayed across the snow
grim
Looks more like kicked up dirt but there is also the possibility of hydraulic fluid
fsb was a bit slow
need to add more bodies
only 2 visible bodies? seems inconsistent with the claimed what? 70 pows?
I believe it was 65 POW (up from 60 which they originally said, weird that), 6 guards and 9 crewmen iirc.
>A plane with 60 POW's would carry like >80 people total
That's the funny thing. They say 74 people died: 65 of which were prisoners, and 6 were aircrew, so barely any guards
Per traded ukies they claimed about 20 guards per 50 POWs in their experience so yeah Russia is full of shit (shocker)
Whaddya know, the Russians lied again.
>Russia is saying
Worst case scenario might be it was both. Russia was transporting missiles and started using Ukrainian POW as meat shields.
why would they do that anon? that means you're destroying your POW exchange fund and getting a ton of international backlash for essentialy no benefits
ziggers are unimaginably stupid, but not to that point
I don't think thats what happened but the "ex"-KGB mobsters that run Russia, just like their idol, Stalin, couldn't give less of a frick about Russians being exchanged, if the Ukrainians just lined them all up and killed them en masse they'd love it because now they can gain something from it in terms of politics. To them, these POWs are worthless otherwise.
And when you're a criminal and you're planning a scheme you don't plan on being caught or people finding out about it.
Don’t believe the lies of rushits and holhols.
It was actually Ukrainian POWs shooting down S300 missiles with IL-76s.
>Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards
>Russia is saying
Well we don't know if what Ukraine says is right but what Russia says is definitely wrong.
Russians really like that one Batman meme
On the one hand you have Russia, who lies time and again, on the other you have Ukraine, who has a pretty good record so far in transparency.
Gee, I wonder who I choose to believe.
was a masked man one of the POWs?
Yes, he was a big guy.
I heard he was a big guy
>sgt pavel, I’m KIA
>"I am jon sienavich from boston, mass, and i too am KIA in todays crash"
They expected 65 of them in the crash
Is there any info on the serial number of the plane shot down? Theres a number being mentioned and seem to indicate the plane was coming from iran, but without a clear confirmation of the plane serial number, it could be anything
No one knows for sure. Russians could have thrown a fit and cancelled the prisoner exchange after the shoot down.
>"well son, did ya 'own the vatniks' today?"
Friendly reminder that the fact that Russia has NOT claimed that this one was friendly-fire all but guarantees that the plane was shot down by Russian air defenses.
the only POWs it was caring were russain pow returned to russia being flown back to moscow for ass rapings.
You know the fox and the grapes? Well Russia is like the logical progression of that. It's like a crow comes along and eats the grapes and the fox says "Haha! You fool. Now you'll get a stomachache. Now you'll pay the price for your hubris and I'm only mildly inconvenienced :^)"
>Ukraine gets more donated Patriot air defense systems
>suddenly huge uptick in Russian planes falling from the sky
>each time there's this big debate about how it happened or the circumstances
>Footage of the crashed plane has holes all over it, showing it was shot down
Sigh. This place is like a spin cycle, going round and round and round.
The more Patriots Ukraine gets, the more Russian planes will drop from the sky.
Your post makes me think if this bullshit isn't the FSB's/GRU's way of getting Ukraine to back off with strikes inside Russia.
Think it like this, I don't believe Ukraine ever shot down a flying strategic air asset inside Russia yet. So I could see the FSB's logic like this: The plane goes down, we say it was full of POWs in a way that makes it certain that people can't know that. See the Ukrainian response about it, where they themselves don't know and how the Russians shut down the prisoner transfer after the shooting down.
This would be to create doubt and create a potential risk of a future shootdown killing Ukrainians, to get Ukraine to "back off" from doing any more strikes. So that they would at least "think twice" before doing it again.
In this scheme, if there was POWs or not doesn't matter. If there was weapons on board or not it doesn't matter. Even if it was the Ukrainians who shot it down or not doesn't matter. Look at how prepared it seems this narrative was and how it seems the plane wasn't carrying either POWs or many equipment.
This could all just be a disinformation operation to keep Ukraine from escalating into turning Belgorod into even more of a warzone.
Seems like the smart move for Ukraine then would be to just keep shooting them down. If Russia concedes the bluff, no POWs die. If they start using POWs as human shields on flights inside Russia, they have committed an unironic war crime.
>Think it like this, I don't believe Ukraine ever shot down a flying strategic air asset inside Russia yet.
They did. They wheeled the Patriots over and quickly shot a few then backed away. They never bragged or talked about it though. Then months later, a patriot air battery shows up with 4 more Russian plane kills confirming it.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/14/europe/russia-aircraft-downed-ukraine-bryansk-intl/index.html
Those weren't large airlift assets or AWACs and Command and Control planes like in the last weeks.
It wouldn't be done deliberately, it would be another case of Belgorod Air Defense doing its thing.
I'm willing to bet there was nothing on that plane and this whole shitshow is a FSB disinformation operation to keep Ukrainians from shooting down more strategic planes they can't replace inside Russia. It explains the Ukrainian response being that they themselves don't know.
>mix of 'COGs, eokeks, the odd Elcan and 203s
Godspeed little homies.
Every Russian plane is irreplaceable, they wouldn't deliberately shoot down one.
Ukraine won't stop shooting down planes. Even if Russians put a PoW on every single one it would still be with it.
>They expect one of us in the wreckage brother
Because an international investigation will prove who is lying.
Because russia is claiming that a whole bunch of POWs in their care were killed.
Tacit acknowledgement they shot it down, just aren't going to comment on the POW angle.
What's so bad about this situation is that Russian claims, despite being repeatedly proven to be lies, are still taken seriously by the media.
Russian claims need to be reported so that you know its bullshit. Its like if Armchairwarlord says something is true you know the opposite is actually true.
It doesn't work that well, most people barely read past a headline, and a lot of special midwits treat everything at face value.
This tbh. There was that NYT article that got spammed by morons because the headline said Ukraine suffers heavy casualty in the counter offensive. Of course, when you actually read the article, it said the casualty was like 20% of the forces committed in the first 2 weeks, and after the Ukies stopped driving straight into minefield, 2 weeks after the counter-offensive started, the heavy losses stopped.
But most morons that spammed that article didn't read past the headline.
I'm fricking SICK of how all the medias take the Kremlin's news statements just like that, without filter, without analyzing anything, which translates into a news banner "Moscow says Ukraine shot down a Russian plane transporting 60 of its POW". And more often than not, without even the fricking "Moscow says" on the banner.
The frick are Reuteurs & co fricking doing, are they just fricking Kremlin relays. Well, they are agencies relaying things raw, so I could forgive them. But every other mainstream media just relaying Kremlin's shit as-is is just unforgivable. Did we fricking relay each news spouted by Goebbels back then? No, we fricking didn't.
Traitors, traitors everywhere.
>without analyzing anything
Same here with our local news agencies in EE.
Man I feel bad for the real POW that were going to be exchanged. They will probably all disappear...
Note that this bullshit is what these scum do with anything, not just with Russia. "Journalists" don't analyze shit except if its convenient and beneficial to them. They don't give a frick. And if they can just outright put in hostile propaganda into their bullshit papers, they will. They don't care.
not journalist but news media
>was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards
Except we have aftermath footage of the crash and there isn't 80+ bodies there.
Some RUtard accounts are seriously coping that the bodies turned into mist and ash in such a crash and we won’t find any bodies lol lmao
>Russia is saying it was shot down by Ukraine and was carrying Ukranian prisoners and a few guards.
if russia says it we can rule that possibility out
Because Russia claimed that they were POWs and therefore Russia endangered them and broke international law. So Zelensky wants to prove one of two things; they're negligent and are guilty of war crimes (lol lmao) or they're lying. I mean we already know they're lying - we've seen the fricking aftermath footage. There isn't 80 odd bodies there lmao.
how come every time ukraine shoots down a plane russia denies or is radio silent about it for a while, but this time they instantly claimed ukraine shot it down? that alone makes me suspicious.
I imagine they had this misdirection script prepared after losing so many high value aircraft recently to make Ukraine wary of future attacks.
>Russia has agreed to a prisoner exchange
>Plane shot down
>in their anger they say the prisoners were on the plane and refuse to swap them
That's a possible scenario. Russia has a habit of throwing crybaby fits.
>this time they instantly claimed ukraine shot it down? The Russian Ministry of Defense would like a word with you. They shot down an IL-76 shaped drone circumstantially at the same instant that an actual IL-76 was being shot down.
Now, get this: they were both shot down at the same location. Shocker, I know. But, now the kremlin doesn't want to talk about glorious successful anti-air defenses protecting the vatnikistani people.
Anyway, this has to be explained, not memory-holed.
It would be funny if the Ukrainian drone was covered in aluminum foil to amplify radar returns, as suggested here
https://nitter.poast.org/secretsqrl123/status/1749797574209376754#m
at what time was the plane shot down?
This isnt great proof, but first posting of original video appears to be at 10 in the morning in belgorod tg channel.
Post says "moment of aircraft crash in korochany rayon. supposedly it is il-76. there is no official info".
Yeah, i know it says "edited at 9:57", but some tg channel display fresh posts with "edited at" from the moment of posting.
>i know it says "edited at 9:57"
Could be the display time from a different time zone, wherever the screenshot was taken. And, depending on the software that displays the posts and whatever local options there are for display format, the "last edited:" for some places is the actual post time of the original post even if it was never edited after it was first posted. It's a language semantic that used to be common in old forum software ... I just don't know how common or possible it is today.
A precise timeline for all events is required to help resolve some of these discrepancies.
>believing anything the russian state says ever.
the fricking state of this board.
This still begs the question of why a plane carrying POWs to the front would be heading towards Moscow away from the front.
how do you know that it was?
Geolocation, moron.
Presumably because it was carrying Iranians, not POWs. Maybe along with munitions, maybe not. I don't believe Russia would get this loud and upset about a few bottle rockets, and they've lied about POWs being killed before so that story can be dismissed out of hand.
The wya they talk about it makes it sound like an acknowledgement they did it, but blaming Russia for it. Ukraine and Russia are quite disorganized, so I can see how that can happen.
>Group A organizes the prisoner swap
>Group B mans patriot air defenses
>Patriot team sees big shiny Il-76 and can't believe their luck and fires
>were not told about anything
One thing I am not understand is what fricktard on either side thought using aircraft to move prisoners down "safe corridors" was even a good idea? There is no such thing as safe airspace over the whole of Ukraine and Russian borders. The missiles are long range, shots are opportunistic, air defense is often isolated and independent. There are shoulder fired missiles proliferated and people trained and aching to use them. Does not make sense from the first sentences in the story.
To the RU military there is no war, only a special military operation. And all large strategic aircraft were shot down by RU air defense troops who were deeply punished hard for their friendly fire.
Weird how after 14 hours or so there's still zero evidence of POWs being on the plane (or explanation why it was leaving Belgorod)
Please point out the POWs in the crash site
>The most damning evidence is that ukraine essentially admitted it
you wanna post a link to this admission pidor ?
Don't misquote me, moron. They had boots on the ground and videos of the crash site within an hour of it happening. Zero reason why they couldn't show more than 2 bodies.
>just like before russia flies POW's into belogorod on il76 on the same day
do you have a source on UA POW's being transported by plane? Is it a common practice?
>after being hit
It went straight down after being hit, moron.
>after being warned
Cargo planes do not turn around that fast, moron.
>damning evidence
You mean worthless, slanderous conjecture.
>cancelled the exchange
That was the ziggers, subhuman.
We have literally video footage of the wreckage/crash site within a fricking hour, moron. It crashed RIGHT NEXT to a town. People went and looked. We have VISUAL VIDEO PROOF there are not 80 FRICKING bodies there. The only bodies we DO see are Russian crewmen in their orange uniform. So unless the local residents went and picked up every single crest hohol NAFO NATO HATO mercenary and then filmed it (for what reason? you're clearly schizo, so give me one) then there is no reason why the aftermath is not like the civilian airliner shot down in 2014.
Next, why is Russia transporting people in an IL-76, a strategic cargo aircraft? 65 POWs gives them fricking ample space even with guards and crew. That's very odd. Why did they suddenly switch to aircraft transport when the literal dozens of other exchanges have been done via train and truck?
Next, why did the numbers change from 60 POW to 65 after a few hours?
Next, why did the names 'proving' the POWs were on board include names of POWs released weeks ago?
Next, why is Russia overreacting like this? If this was simply just a POW transport shoot down (despite all the evidence saying that is bullshit) why are they reacting like Ukrainians shot down a civilian airliner full of Russian children and kittens and puppies?
Don't be moronic.
>unless the local residents went and picked up every single crest hohol NAFO NATO HATO mercenary and then filmed it
BTW, just to pile onto this, also consider:
Let us for a moment humor the conjecture that the 80 to 100 or so bodies had been removed. Somehow, within minutes of the crash.
Study the snow field for all the available videos. There are no signs of footprints, heavy foot traffic, tire ruts, etc. all the activity that would be necessary to remove 80 corpses. Or, whatever was supposedly left of them.
I'm trying not to make any hasty judgements here, but I'd sure like to see a credible explanation as to why all that newly falling snow is so undisturbed. Note that just one body skidded across the snow upon landing, and the tracks and blood trail it left is clearly visible.
Where are all the others? All the foot traffic and hundred of people (if not thousands) who would have to be imminently present to somehow clean up all the bodies, body parts, blood traces, etc.
There were never 80 bodies in that field. It's hard to imagine even eight or ten would have left the crash site so pristine.
smashes into the ground at 400kph
soft bodies to just be lying around.
Yeah moron
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/mh17-bodies
there are literally bodies lying on the ground though
but only two
where are the remaining 63 + crew?
soft bodies to just be lying around.
Yes, you can see two of them on the ground
A Russian plane being shot down over a Russian city, supposedly by Ukraine?
now that's air supremacy
>A Russian plane being shot down over a Russian city, supposedly by Ukraine?
>now that's air supremacy
I mean, ignore everything else? Yeah we're getting there. More patriots means more coverage and pushing Russia further and further back. There is supposedly a Patriot battery in Orkhiv and Kherson as well.
Then add F-16's and this could be serious.
>More patriots
Except this was clearly not hit by a Patriot. We saw it 'land'. Chances are somebody took a pot shot on the border with a MANPAD as it was descending and got lucky.
I guess we now have more assurance that if NATO ever fight Russia for real, we'll get Desert Storm 2.0: Snow Edition.
There. Are. Bodies. Visibly. Lying. Around. You. Absolute. Subhuman. moron.
Just not nearly enough for Russias mythical 65 POWs. Now kindly have a nice day.
Whats this then homosexual? The only body that didnt vaporize for some reason?
>Whats this then
Sex doll for comfort of POWs during transport.
Why is Iran holding Ukrainian POWs? Because the plane supposedly came from Iran.
>expects soft bodies to just be lying around
THERE IS LITERALLY BODIES IN THE FOOTAGE. THEY'RE LITERALLY THERE. YOU CANNOT SAY THAT THE HALF A DOZEN BODIES OF RUSSIAN AIRCREW UNIFORMS ARE SOMEHOW FRICKING MADE OF ADAMANTIUM BUT THE APPARENT 65 POWS AND THEIR GUARDS ARE NOT.
THERE WOULD BE DOZENS OF BODIES NOT FRICKING SIX.
Those are just local fauna. You find men laying around dead or black out drunk in fields all over russia
please wait a few days, the fsb will bring in the bodies shortly
They'll probably have clear indication of post-mortem dissection on the bodies, like back before the war with the DPR "civilian bodies" clearly taken from a morgue and burned in a car.
We already have evidence of 2 bodies being almost completely intact
>piece of
That's like 90%+ of a body, you gigantic subhuman lying homosexual. have a nice day this instant.
Russia is now going to claim every transport plane has Ukrainian prisoners onboard so they can avoid being shot at
That is likely the reasoning. Since Russia keeps losing aircraft, they're going to make it seem like Ukraine is evil and hates their own and would rather kill their own than surrender. It's all part of the plan. Sure they had to waste a $10m aircraft for it but whatever. They always have more xaxaxaxax *~~*~~
>63 bodies disappeared without so much as a drop of blood, hair, bone, skin, or fabric.
Except we've seen the aftermath of multiple aircraft shoot downs (such as civilian airliners) and the bodies are not vaporised. They are piled in the wreckage. You are not vaporising 70 odd bodies but leaving others perfectly in tact.
A fuel explosion will not erase 65 bodies dumbass.
I don’t think it would even erase one.
Jet fuel is not exactly a high explosive.
Good point, they might be extra crispy but there would still be a lot of bodies in that field.
You do understand that we have footage of wide swathes of the crash site, and there is not nearly enough bodies there to account for even a tiny fraction of Russias mythical 65 POWs, right? Now kindly kill youself, you gigantic subhuman lying piece of shit.
Airlines should really just tell you that in the event of a crash your whole body will be instantly vaporized if you don't wear a seatbelt.
The real reason you wear seatbelts isn't to save your life but to make sure when you die, you're attached to a seat and therefore a number and therefore a name. I mean it does help if you're trying to land and all but if the thing explodes it doesn't matter. It's for identification, not safety.
You would think russians would make prisoners wear a seat belt
same with cars, its all about reducing cleanup.
airbags are only there to preserve dental records and make the coroners job easier
Peak midwit mindset
>same with cars, its all about reducing cleanup.
>airbags are only there to preserve dental records and make the coroners job easier
Fuddlore: 5th Automotive edition
>human-weighted projectiles flying around the cabin aren't a danger to others or to themselves
And why should airlines lie like this, you gigantic subhuman lying piece of shit? have a nice day.
Kinda hard to do when there's no seats, no seatbelts and no prisoners.
I was making a joke in both posts bud you should calm down
>3 escorts for 65 men.
Why would they do that?
Also some of these men were released on Jan 4th. So apparently in less than a month Ukraine not only sent those men back to the front but they were captured again.
>it is the only body in the whole crash
True, which is a good thing we've got multiple videos of people walking through the wreckage and not showing more than a handful of bodies 🙂
This body slide is a diversion and Anons should be trying to figure out the absolute nonsense aspects: flying from Iran - "safe corridor" in Ukie airspace - Russian aircraft - transponders off. There is some deep shenanigans. I guess important people might have been on the plane. Or nobodies just a sad crew depending on the depth of shenanigans.
Russia's been going super heavy on crybullying right now, trying anything they can think of to distract from Sweden joining NATO and further try to convince people to hop on the "Frick Ukraine" crowd.
I mean they've been crying to the UN all month about evil HATO warcrimes.
/Chug/ status?
conclooding reports into the sinking of moskva suggests ship was operated entirely by a crew of ukrainian pows
e-girlposting and claiming the west will freeze... any day now.
wow, they really got a lot of mileage out of a throw away lie about POWs they already killed.
>wow, they really got a lot of mileage out of a throw away lie about POWs they already killed.
The exchange was set for today, but they couldn't have accounted for the plane being shot down. They likely just threw a hissy fit and cancelled the POW swap.
So regardless of the content of the plane. What's more likely? Ukrainian shot it down with Patriot or Russia friendly fire their plane with S-300 again?
>the terminal velocity of a free falling human body
>is less than the terminal velocity of a plane made for flying with wings desperately trying to bellyflop safely onto the ground
Olympic tier mental gymnastics
you clearly are a braindead moron. the plane is designed to fly fast, around mach 0.8. It is sleek. If a sam hits you and knocks out your hydraulics, you will just nose dive at max speed into the ground. If it destroys your control surfaces and your plane departs controlled flight at at high speed your plane will likely tear itself apart. We can clearly see the il76 rolling and and flying in forward. It was in one piece flying head first right into the ground. The terminal velocity of a plane wing is much less than a human body, but it's only the wing on it's own. It will flopp around and fall slowly like a peice of paper (relatively). A plane intact can exceed mach 1 in a dive because it's sleek.
wasn't this the AWACS that got shotdown? if so, then why THE FRICK are the rooskies using an AWACS as a cargo plane??
It's the OG airlifter version. The AWACS is based on that same airframe but it is, after modifications, essentially a different aircraft now.
>wasn't this the AWACS that got shotdown
No. A week or so ago, Ukraine claimed to have hit an A-50 and IL-22. We saw an image of a shredded IL-22 after it with claims only the co-pilot survived but who knows. The A-50 is nowhere to be seen and Russia stopped sending their other A-50's to the region and now keeps them in Russian airspace. So, pretty much confirms it got downed (despite cope posting). The IL-76 is a cargo aircraft. We have footage of it crashing and exploding and the aftermath. That was today. Ukraine said it was carrying S-300 missiles. Russia says it was carrying Ukrainian POWs. There is proof of neither.
thanks for the clarification.
this is the same country that posted the SIM 3 pics.
Russia knows no bounds to its stupidity.
If there were 60 POWs killed by Ukraine the internet would be plastered with their bodies. Russia boasts about far less.
They sometimes post their own dead and pass them off as Ukrainian
>almost 24 hours of repeating the same exact lie
gotta admire the dedication ranjeesh is displaying here
the wects communist on the left middle row should wear this hat instead:
also OP of that thread is literally him lol
You can see a (bluried) crew member here
at sec 10, were are the other +70?
>Ukr Int admits that the plane was full of POWs
Didn't look like anything like missiles were detonating in that plane.
And there aren't any bodies in the wreckage, so it isn't POWs either. It is very possible that Ukraine intelligence believed it was missiles, but the missiles were just a cover that Russia had put out and Ukraine still thought it was worth doing... But instead of missiles, it was an important person instead. Otherwise why the frick is there so much shit going on?
Except airbags and seat belts objectively do save lives and there isn't 150 people in a car that could get thrown about and mulched into each other if it crashes.
whatever the plane or what's in it was supposed to be, it has to be important enough for the intensive shilling campaign we are seeing now
Exactly.
>Russia uses codes saying they are 'delivering S-300 missiles to Belogrod'
>Ukraine/USA/UK SIGINT aircraft grab this and pass it on or some other intelligence gathering
>Ukraine hits it
>It isn't carrying missiles but something important
>Chatter is picked up that it is important
>Both sides panic over what was actually involved
I see no other reason for this kind of reaction.
$50m as of 2008. Simply applying inflation makes it $70m.
Could be. Or an important guy like Shoigu or something. It really truly is odd this reaction.
Would you really call Shoigu important? Isn't he just Putin proxy in the MoD? All he ever does was saying what Putin allow him to say. Beside that one time when he does the shrug I guess.
Damages 'Russia stronk' image. It is no longer a SMO if you start losing important government officials! Fricking mental how this many people can die and the Russian government can keep it all quiet and nobody cares when during their Afghan war they had riots and protests. Putin really is a master of internal control.
Believe it or not, Shoigu is the closest thing to a Putin successor right now. And he'd be much better to the Russian Mafia state and worse for the West than Putin.
>Could be. Or an important guy like Shoigu or something. It really truly is odd this reaction.
Shoigu's corpse just flew over my house!
Even odds it was one of monke's body doubles.
>https://gur.gov.ua/content/cohodni-mav-vidbutysia-obmin-polonenymy-iakyi-ne-vidbuvsia.html
yeah, there's nothing in terms of a ukranian "admission" there at all though you lying zigger c**thole.
KYS.
"Ukr int" has admitted no ushc thing outside of your delusional lies, curryBlack person.
And the "name" of this factual refutation of your moronic bullshit is "You're a lying subhuman curryBlack person and should have a nice day this instant". You're welcome.
>that's a hohol airplane
>it's a warcrime
What a daring synthesis.
new cope is
>russia don't have to publish hohol corpse pics ok?
>also, zelensky is canceling his birthday party so it's totally hohols on the plane, ok?
I mean lets for a second assume it was full of hohols crests NAFO NATO HATO mercs, I don't think the trade is worth it.
what's the cost of one of these planes anyway?
50 million bux, give or take
You know, have to give Russia credits, they managed to distract the normalgays and midwits from the fact that Russia lost another expensive plane
this was exactly purpose of bot spamming and newbies eat it
>they managed to distract the normalgays and midwits from the fact that Russia lost another expensive plane
This, it was surprisingly effective, now everyone argues about muh PoWs instead of laughing at big stronk Russia for not being able to protect its own airspace against the poorest Euro country.
Besides that we have more oil supply and pipes being blown up on russian soil yesterday and today. Abd probably more are going to have Smoker incident tomorrow and day after.
Ukies prepared and organized massive and succeful action of infiltrating Ziggerland and are ranning drones upon thier logistics chains and the great FSB didn't saw that comming. This is probably bigger humiliation that shooting down planes with patriots.
I think it's more Ukraine promised not to target Russian oil for the US so gas prices wouldn't rise, but since the US isn't holding up their end of the deal, Ukraine has taken the gloves off.
$50 million but they also can't make anymore
Shoigu's mainly a figurehead because monkee trusts him in that position instead of an actual military man, he got it as a reward for loyalty
wrong. he is in that position because the TVVAN BVLLA controls Moscow itself. the Anglo Saxon, das juden, HATO, it was all a distraction while the Tuvan terror wormed it's way closer to global domination
every single significant Russian plane to missile collision ao far
>Russia: NOT HOHOLS. Small woopsie, we accidentally ourselves. NOT HOHOLS. Happens all the time. BBC air defense too good, please understand. NOT HOHOLS.
This plane gets hit traveling from Belgorod to Moscow
>Russia: HOHOLS DID IT. In fact, it was the Ghost of Kyiv himself. Bandera was pilot.
I'm starting to think this time they did accidentally themselves for real.
>just assume the opposite of what the Russians say
interesting, compelling even
It's nothing new, it's been that way since the soviet era.
>There never were any POWs, stop listening to Russia
>There were POWs but Russia probably shot it down
>There were POWs
Except anybody who has seen the wreckage before the Russian MoD shut access down saw there were no fricking bodies bar the crewmen. The POW shit is cope. It was something important and they're saying it is POW to make Ukraine not risk shooting other aircraft because they might have POWs on them. Stop being moronic. PLEASE. If we didn't have video evidence of the lack of bodies, I could understand, but we do.
Speaking of moronic vatnik cope whatever happened to the Kakhova dam narrative? Ziggers were spamming about as much as they are now about it being a hohol plot but do they still claim that or did they just move on to the next cope narrative?
The fact that the fricking frogs of all people blocked Lavrov's hissyfit in the UN tells me enough about whether or not there were POW's on board.
That and the fact the only corpses seen in the footage are the ones of pilots.
>Lavrov'
Why hasn't the US revoked his Visa, why should Russia be allowed to use the UN as their crying post?
Say he can't fly in and if Russia complains ban them from New York so they have to talk to the UN via an easily jammable zoom call
I have stopped following this war quiet a awhile ago but I keep sing shit like this all the time.
How is Russia still going? Something feels very off here. Either Russian loses are way over exaggerated or Russia should be on the point of total collapse now. It took way fess for Russia to exit Afganistan.
Somebody enlighten me.
>How is Russia still going?
They are desperately trying survive. Which isn't a very good thing considering they are the invading force. And Russia managed to survive losing millions of soldiers in WW2. They can still bleed a bit more.
>And Russia managed to survive losing millions of soldiers in WW2
Yeah, when the birthrate was 5 kids for every woman and they had another 15 vassal states to do the fighting for them.
They have a lot of men, a lot of old shit from the Cold War from more than 40 years ago and a lot of money to buy from North Korea, Iran and China and that's not getting into how they're now recruiting people from outside Russia. Like Somalis and Cubans.
>Like Somalis and Cubans.
We've seen a few east africans, but the Cuban recruitment operation was closed by Cuba. I also saw a report of Malaysians as well. I hope all these dupes get captured as POW rather than being killed.
Dupes my ass, they even post selfies in uniform in Russia, that's how we know its happening. And Cuba already had announced they "closed down" the operation before new Cubans showed up in RU uniforms on the internet.
They're just poor idiots who don't know what they're getting into. They're promised good pay, good medical care, and a short contract. Then they're thrown into the meat grinder and whoops, don't have to pay a corpse. Next idiot line up!
The same can be said about all the Russian military personnel.
>Literally a "trust me bro" situation
Too bad there isn't an independent third party to check. Would an independent crash investigator even be allowed to go in there now? If not, then you know who's lying.
russian ministry of defense immediately sealed the area, blocked even russian police and civilian helpers, etc.
>If this audio is authentic, it opens the veil of Russian propaganda lies.
We offer to listen to today's conversation probably between the operator of the military airfield tower and the duty officer of the fire rescue station No. 25 in the village of Bekhteyevka, Korochansky district,
https://t.me/nevzorovtv/13703
Sounds fake tbh, but they talk about preparation to extinguish hydrazine and kerosene, instead of answering which missles were onboard.
ICAO charts for belgorod.
Yeah i know C in ICAO is for Civil, but approach to belgorod airport for military aircraft shouldnt be very different from this.
Im sorry, but where IL76?
>where IL76?
Went home under own power
maybe Russians scored an own goal
>25.01
>russians claim every single plane that went down in the past months was actually either friendly fire, an accident, or didn't even happen
>specifically this one plane, which allegedly carried pows, is the exception
convenient
>ukranians claim every single plane that went down in the past months was actually either patriot, iris t, or browning
>specifically this one plane, which allegedly carried pows, is the exception
only thing that could shoot it down is a patriot, and these were supposedly all destroyed by hypersonic magic missiles
Still zero (0) evidence of POW bodies?
So, its been entire day.
There are 3(?) bodies on videos from the crash site and giant fireball after it crashed.
Where are the pows and guards?
Sourcing bodies and copies of Sims 3 takes time, please understand.
They'll start appearing today as FSB kills and chars corpses of POWs they were supposed to trade.
Gotta cover up whatever happened at any cost.
>Zelensky cancels his plans and calls for an international investigation of the crash
>This is a day after Ukrainian media claimed AFU had shot down a transport plane but then quickly redacted their articles
>A POW exchange was planned for that day
>Apparently Russians have already used planes to transport their POWs for exchanges
Surely, this isn't suspicious at all.
Yeah it's staggering how people can still believe Russia in any capacity.
Ukies and Ruskies are same soviet-slavic school of lies, just remember the heroes of the snek island.
>le both sides
End yourself.
don't let emotions cloud your judgment.
moron shill trying to poison the well.
kys
let those emotions flow anon
>just remember the heroes of the snek island.
Oh I remember the heroes of Snek Island!
> calls for an international investigation of the crash
Yeah really makes you wonder why russia didn't do that for their plane right?
moronic pig
meh
>>This is a day after Ukrainian media claimed AFU had shot down a transport plane but then quickly redacted their articles
literally no proof of this you moronic pig
screenshots everywhere...
one fake screenshot you moronic pig
>screensot claiming ukrainian pravda deleted news
>meanwhile ukrainian pravda right now
You are a homosexual and a shill
Im shill but idk bout homosexual since Im not into so called western values.
in the end maybe it was zelensky sending message to his troops what happens if you surrender instead fight.
Someone should kill you to send a message tbhqhbhfh
idk anon, you east euro slav are next in line for globohomosexual trenches
I'm happy to wipe out slaves.
people of russia have no right to self rule and they agree, since they have given that right away.
verz weak comeback anon.
you slavs will never understand subtle western humor nor will zou be able to replicate it.
zou will never be west kek
>Im not into so called western values
So you became homosexual by force, not by your choice? Mobik fate i guess
https://www.unian.net/war/padenie-il-76-sbu-otkrylo-proizvodstvo-12522873.html?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=unian_channel
Why would Ukrainian SBU open a criminal investigation when apparently Russians shot down their S-300 carrying Il-76 flying from Iran? What's the point?
Because they shot down their own plane then claimed Ukraine did it and there were a billion PoWs inside and 50 dombabwe children.
Because they need to investigate the claims, moron.
Hmmm, why is this the first time they do that?
They do it all the time.
https://ssu.gov.ua/en/novyny/sbu-povidomyla-pro-pidozru-eksochilnyku-olenivskoi-kolonii-yakyi-prychetnyi-do-katuvannia-bilshe-100-voiniv-zsu-video
https://mipl.org.ua/en/war-crime-in-olenivka-investigation-into-the-events-related-to-the-massacre-of-imprisoned-azov-regiment-soldiers/
Real countries with real judicial system follow statutory prodedures, even if something is "obvious" for schizos.
Lmao, Russians do this shit non-stop.
They mass produce criminal investigations about popular topics, it's a post-USSR shithole thing, not 'real judicial system following statutory procedures' lmao, get real.
That's literally how russia disinformation works.
they spam "alternate theories" of what happened so morons don't know what's true or not.
Frick, they even started back in 2014 saying Ukraine crucified 3 years old or how "Ukranian missiles turn around after impact so they look like they came from russian side" when the UN was visiting the NPP
Why would SBU investigate a war crime that Russia is claiming they did you fricking moron, I wonder
>Russian bullshit claim that the plane from iran was actually carrying pows despite no photos showing pows exist and cargo list state names of pows who haven't been pows for months
>"hmm since we're not subhuman russians with worthless lives and we don't breathe only to suck male dicks and claim it's not gay if you do it in the army, we should investigate it like a modern country that is not undergoing collapse"
Internet schizos, pedos, thirdies and subhumans
>"A STATEMENT ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION BEING STARTED PROVES THAT UKRAINE KILLED ITS OWN AND THE WAR IS NOW WON BY RUSSIA"
>Russia claims 65 dead pows
>hurrrrrdurrrrr y Ukraine investigate then
Can we just range ban all Indian IPs at this point?
The plane transported Iranian generals with ballistic missiles, this is what all the russian butthurt about.
I think the plane carried POWs for real, and it was shot down, judging by the shrapnel holes.
The only question for me is who did it and why. 99% chance it was a mistake.
I think you're a complete braindead street shitting piece of subhuman shit and evidence agrees.
Stage one
>Plane is fine
Stage two
>Plane crashed itself
Stage three
>Americans shot it down
>okay ukranians shot it down but it wasnt carrying irreplacable s300 parts
Okay ukranians shot it down but it was carrying POWs
>Okay actually pows were up for exchange
>What no it wasnt coming from iran despite flight radar saying it was, it was coming from pow exchange site to pow exchange site
>Actually ukrranians deleted all info on it cause we were right
>what photos and videos of crash, these were all filmed by ukranian special ops, they must be disgarded
>we will never know who is lying
>both sides are lying see above mess of info (mostly put out by vatnik telegrams)
also why those planes are fyling under capacity. russia gives option to every pow to seek asylum before final flight and many take it so plane actually returns only half full.
SO, did Guerassimov comment anything regarding this incident?
Russians trying to deflect the embarrassment of losing another air asset by going:
>akshuyally the plane was full of hohols xaxaxaxa*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~)
Cancelling the POW exchange means no one call readily disprove it.
Good enough cope for /misc/troons, everyone else not skullfricked by Russian state propaganda should be able to see through the crap.
Interesting how precisely we can gauge how bad any given russian frickup is based exclusively on their shill response.
>One of the names on Simonyan's list of POWs killed in the crash was Maxim Anatolievich Konovalenko, a prisoner known to have already been repatriated to Ukraine during an exchange on 3 January 2024
lmoa
Ziggers were spamming all day that the GUR admitted there were 65 POWs on board, despite the GUR just saying they can't know what was on board so couldn't confirm or deny anything.
Now the GUR is sharing intel they have acquired that only 5 bodies were delivered to the morgue in Belgorod and that the plane was supposed to have military and political VIPs on board, but the FSB forbade them from boarding last minute.
Sooo, ziggers, where the frick are the bodies? Why has the Belgorod morgue only received 5 bodies? Why does the GUR have intel about VIPs being planned to be on the plane at first?
>the plane was supposed to have military and political VIPs on board, but the FSB forbade them from boarding last minute.
Called it:
Jebait attempt. The FSB were aware the ukes hadn't been informed this time. They deliberately pulled this stunt.
So basically it turns out there were POWs onboard, right?
Basically if you blindly trust Russian statements without a single piece of evidence corroborating it, then yes.
>3 bodies identified on the crash site so far
So basically Russia decided to just 180 on going to the UN with the issue... That's funny...
Oh fug. A proper 3rd party investigation would blow the lid on this, so this confirms their story was lies.
My take is that Russia setup the prisoner exchange, but then the plane was shot down, so they threw a hissy fit and cancelled the plane crash. Prisoners might be dead in a pit or facing torture as we speak.
>there were 49,621 dead POWs on the scene
>no you may not see them
LMAO
As far as I know the theory of the s400 or s300 was made up by ucraine media. Kiev did not made any statement till this media campaign but had to make a statement after this theory by the media got international.. Ahem... Interests.
At least that is what news media in Germany told at the day it happend.