Even if George dies tomorrow we would still get like a half a book, we will get some iteration of Winds of Winter at some point. Zero chance we get anything after that though
Lmao no
He claimed to be about 75% of the way done 6 months ago but with the caveat that he's going back and rewriting earlier chapters, so in reality he's about 50% done. Bear in mind he said he was about half of the way through a million years ago and Winds of Winter likely isn't his top priority despite how much he says it is (he's been also saying that for years yet started and finished Fire and Blood which was about as long as ACOK) with Fire and Blood 2 yet to be released as well as him also being somewhat involved with HOTD I believe.
We *might* gets Winds of Winter in a year or two but we will NEVER get Dream of Spring.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>we will NEVER get Dream of Spring
not from him anyway
the Expanse boys will finish it probably
1 year ago
Anonymous
Preston Jacobs fanfic will be done before TWOW has a release date, let alone is actually on shelves.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Preston Jacobs fanfic
was ist?
1 year ago
Anonymous
some dude on youtube who dedicates his whole life to analyzing and theorizing about asoiaf related stuff as well as creating his own fanfic
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Preston
1 year ago
Anonymous
I honestly think he's just lost interest and doesn't want to admit it because then everyone will lose interest and wander off.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is why im so hesitant to write. Ive planned most of my story and have about 12 books worth of varying lengths but im afraid it will be flawed as frick and if I attempt to fix it i end up like GRRM. IWNBAn author...
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Ive planned most of my story
then you're not like GRRM
>yet
That fat ass of GRRM will die from heart attack before finishing Winds of Winter.
Even if George dies tomorrow we would still get like a half a book, we will get some iteration of Winds of Winter at some point. Zero chance we get anything after that though
Lmao no
He claimed to be about 75% of the way done 6 months ago but with the caveat that he's going back and rewriting earlier chapters, so in reality he's about 50% done. Bear in mind he said he was about half of the way through a million years ago and Winds of Winter likely isn't his top priority despite how much he says it is (he's been also saying that for years yet started and finished Fire and Blood which was about as long as ACOK) with Fire and Blood 2 yet to be released as well as him also being somewhat involved with HOTD I believe.
We *might* gets Winds of Winter in a year or two but we will NEVER get Dream of Spring.
George will never finish the book because he already has what he has wanted all of his life that he wasted trying to get, fame and fortune. We are just sol because George only finally made it big with Game of Thrones being picked up by HBO and the many sequels planned which George is actively a part of, not because he's writing new material but because he enjoys all the attention he gets on set and the access to expensive hotel rooms and fans that follow the HBO set bandwagon. George was never in writing because of wanting to write a good story, and that's the sad truth very little fans of his works understand. All the previous worlds he has fleshed out and created over the decades are all absolute junk to him and seeing nerds go up to him in conventions wasting 10 hours in line just to ask about the ice dragon or distant worlds just to have George go "huh what's that?" as an answer is just the icing on top. If the first woiaf book flopped, George would have ditched it and started a new story like he has done plenty of times before, he's no Tolkien, Wells or lovecraft that wrote day and night for the sake of the craft instead of the success, George just wants people to dickride him
Why the frick would i want Winterfell if i can just stay on Dragonstone, fortify it, and cum into Melisandre over and over again for the rest of my days?
Maybe i'd sell all of my shit, go to Bravoos, and rent a room in the "too-old" Brothel.
Frick the Game of Thrones.
Pussy is valuable in exact proportion to it's ability to give you strong heirs.
Imagine going through all the trouble of having sex with a magical creature and it cant even give you magical princes.
The hottest sterile <<<<<<<<<<< Any psychic space octopus that gives you chad Cthulhu children
Impregnation is the only sexual thing a man does that isn't cuckoldry.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You impregnate to create a family and descendants that will continue your deeds
Not because of "muh gay feminine chad sons"
You speak like a gay cuck because your motivation for impregnation is aesthetics, not moral or logical things
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Not because of "muh gay feminine chad sons"
What the frick are you talking about Black person?
>You impregnate to create a family and descendants that will continue your deeds
Yes, thats what I said.
>your motivation for impregnation is aesthetics
Chad is a byword for success, dominance, and masculine behavior, you seething moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not now
Everyone seem to call gay cucks to be chads
Even the steroypical chads are subhuman gay cucks
They not masculine
But then again 97 % of the population are feminine gay cucks with no morals so who knows..
>Are we ever getting a conclusion to the series, bros?
Series are actually good. 9000 times better than TV.
Fricking left on cliffhanger.
All that Arya character development but no putting her into action
Can we strangle that lazy fat frick?
Show died with Tywin
I dont get why normies think only 8 was shit when 5-8 were all dogshit and 5-8 is not canon anyway
Renounce or disappear wife and/or daughter and secure the North by marrying Sansa. This would fulfill the well-known wishes of both of the houses' last great leaders (Robert and Ned) by uniting the families via marriage, and by doing so secure all the great warfaring nations of the continent (the North minus the shitty Boltons, the Aerie via familial ties, and the Stormlands). This could foment or fan religious insurrection in the capital as well with this marriage being "virtuous" by way of "rescuing" the orphaned, defamed, and sullied Sansa who might be considered otherwise unmarriagable.
Considering Stannis is meant to be a master strategist I can only put it down to the writers wanting to end the show in two seasons and deciding to have him do something out of character to kill him off.
Eh, at least "pissing strategy into the wind because in the end your religious zealotry won against common sense" is believable enough. Happened enough times in history where generals threw away their advantage for religious reasons.
Although with more patience you could have seen more of a progression. I.e. first battles are still based on strategy, but every disadvantage is tried to be erased with weird religious rituals, which ultimately create more disadvantages (i.e. fasting to make bad weather turn around when your troops need to eat before a battle, which results in more casualties than you normally would have) and it all dominoes from there.
Here to remind anons that Daenerys lost a rare and costly Rhaegal class Dragon returning to base from a CAS mission to Euron Fleet based AA because she kinda forgot both to scout ahead and also that the enemy had a fleet in the first place.
She also previously lost another dragon to a White Walker manpad because she was flying too low.
Why was Daenerys so moronic??Costantly losing CAS to enemies with no air force despite supposed air supremacy.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Despite being show non canon shit, it can happen and it happened a lot
During the dance of the dragons, one of the sides supposed loss a dragon like this against a navy
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Martells also manage to shoot Rhaenys dragon out of the sky when the Targs first tried to conquer Dorne. And the OG Targs' dragons would absolutely mog Dany's.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Despite being show non canon shit, it can happen and it happened a lot
During the dance of the dragons, one of the sides supposed loss a dragon like this against a navy
Here to remind anons that Daenerys lost a rare and costly Rhaegal class Dragon returning to base from a CAS mission to Euron Fleet based AA because she kinda forgot both to scout ahead and also that the enemy had a fleet in the first place.
She also previously lost another dragon to a White Walker manpad because she was flying too low.
Why was Daenerys so moronic??Costantly losing CAS to enemies with no air force despite supposed air supremacy.
We going to ignore the fact that the magical bad-guy ballistas fire at like supersonic speeds and blow clean through entire ships from miles away.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This
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We going to ignore the fact that the magical bad-guy ballistas fire at like supersonic speeds and blow clean through entire ships from miles away.
It happened twice or more in the universe and the dragons of all dans were fricking gigamonsters compared to dany dragons so yeah it could have happened
Only showgays idiots and danytroons were shocked by this
Season 5? Black person, season 3 was the last watchable season, and that one was shaky at best.
4
Show died with tywin
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It happened twice or more in the universe and the dragons of all dans were fricking gigamonsters compared to dany dragons so yeah it could have happened >Only showgays idiots and danytroons were shocked by this
I don't care all I care about is the fact that the Ballistas the Lannisters made to hunt dragons could be used to hunt a fricking Abrams.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The Martells also manage to shoot Rhaenys dragon out of the sky when the Targs first tried to conquer Dorne
GRRM has said though that this was a one in a million shot.
1 year ago
Anonymous
GRRM is a fat moronic b***h
1 year ago
Anonymous
GRRM is an idiot and an historylet
Also a fleet downed one during the dance of the dragons
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bro have you read the book? Reading her POV gives me conniptions. She's such a fricking moron. >muh wake the dragon >I'm their mother now >I will never be their queen, but frick it let me marry this slaver
>It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident.
>These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother’s banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten.
>Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that.
>Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne
1 year ago
Anonymous
From Winterfell to Storm's end
To Storm's end
The entirety of westeros is attacked
the entirety of westeros is attacked
Robert will lead the rebels
Will lead the rebels
Show them that they are not afraid of anything
They are not afraid of anything
Targaryan trannies have woken up
Targaryan trannies,
Don't touch our lands
Our lands
Stannis will lead the stormlanders
Will lead the stormlanders
Show them that they are not afraid of anything
They are not afraid of anything
From winterfell ,the wolves are coming
The wolves are coming
Be afraid, targatroons
Targatroons
In defense of the stormlands
Defence of the north
We fight, glory to our freedom
Glory to our freedom
1 year ago
Anonymous
>These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother’s banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten.
He was integral to Robert's rebellion lol, who is he to call anyone out here for treason?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>He was integral to Robert's rebellion lol, who is he to call anyone out here for treason?
He actually talks about how that was one of the hardest decision of his life. To support his usurping brother or do his duty to his rightful king. The point being the Lords of the Stormlands have a duty to follow the head of House Baratheon their liege lord and that was Stannis. Instead they flocked to Renly who had no legitimate claim to the Iron Throne. >but muh Roberts rebellion
Targ shits did it to themselves Roberts rebellion is hardly even a comparable situation but Targ shit try anyway.
1 year ago
Anonymous
bet Loras spends all his time thinking about Renly's peach as well
1 year ago
Anonymous
>He was integral to Robert's rebellion lol, who is he to call anyone out here for treason?
He actually talks about how that was one of the hardest decision of his life. To support his usurping brother or do his duty to his rightful king. The point being the Lords of the Stormlands have a duty to follow the head of House Baratheon their liege lord and that was Stannis. Instead they flocked to Renly who had no legitimate claim to the Iron Throne. >but muh Roberts rebellion
Targ shits did it to themselves Roberts rebellion is hardly even a comparable situation but Targ shit try anyway.
This. Stannis struggled with the chain of command. Is his duty to his house, and through his head of house (Robert) only then the King? Or is his duty to his King first and his house second?
The storm lords had no such dillema. Stannis was both the head of house, their lord and their rightful King. They did not choose Renly over an honest conflict of authority, but one solely of preference.
Say what you will of hereditary versus democratic rule, the purpose of hereditery succession was specifically to avoid armed sides contesting the outcome of the vote in open warfare, weakening the realm as a result and leaving it perpetually destabilized.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He can call out who he wants because his side is the right one in both cases
>It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident.
>These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother’s banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten.
>Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that.
>Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne
>Lord Seaworth ... reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.
At least stannis got to be cool like in the books for a bit: I was going to pick an even worse example but there are too many to count: basically everyone from Dorne and the Iron Islands (except theon and oberynn) got done dirty by DnD
Late season Euron was fun just because he was an insane shitposter WWE villain and was completely off script the entire time. The actor just did whatever the frick he wanted.
no, that's jaime. his trip to riverun going from >i must do anything possible to regain my honor, my sister is a parasitic, awful influence on me. i must escape her clutches and build a legacy befitting a great knight
to >ill catapult ur baby over the wall if it lets me get home and frick my sister quicker lol
is by far the most egregious butchering of any character arc ive ever seen
The worse is how they didnt showed his prowess at the whispering wood or they made brienne beat him when in the books she says that she only neutralized him because he was malnourished and in chains >rivverun
They also butchered blackfish
In the books he is waylaid by snow but someone with drums has made it to Winterfell and Ramsey is a schizo so he is ordering men out to give battle outside the walls because he wants his Reek back. Sansa never goes north or marries Ramsey in the books. She is getting betrothed to a Vale lord in theory but Little Finger obviously wants her for his own status/lusts.
Thats when the show started picking up in popularity on top of that he started writing Fire and Blood and TWOIAF. He was also getting lots of interview, awards and event invites.
>the iron bank supposedly is bank rolling his campaign
in the show, they gave him funds before sailing back to Westeros, but it was only enough to get im to Winterfell
in the books, the Iron Bank representative has only just *reached* his camp near Winterfell.
Fatman let D&D run their mouths about how he gave them his plans for the ending. The majority of his readers dont want or care about his books anymore.
He gave them his notes for their planned endings, but that doesn't mean he can't change things or account for the differences between show and books. Danys ending in the show doesn't make sense because there she is this YASS QUEEN idealist whose ideals pan out just fine, but in the books she's a violent idiot who fricked things up for everyone and stays in power by force of arms and a few tard wranglers.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dany scenes were so fricking shit
Only good ones where in season 1
>Fatman let D&D run their mouths about how he gave them his plans for the ending. The majority of his readers dont want or care about his books anymore.
You guys make it so painfully obvious you have no clue what you are talking about despite how much authority you seem to speak on the subject. The books vs the show differences is not "they cut tom bombadil" its literally 70% of the characters are in totally different situation, their plot lines are cut or they just got shelved. Its why nobody buys the "Martins intended ending" BS.
1 year ago
Anonymous
In the books Danaerys is being set up to embrace burninating everything, after being exhausted trying to be peaceful in Mereen, and in embracing that old "Fire and Blood" stuff, this is where something bad may happen to King's Landing, especially if Aegon Targaryen is there. It's not that she burnt the city in the show, but that we never got the character arc that logically leads her to that point. To borrow from Terry Pratchett, we went from A to Z without going through the rest of the alphabet.
I think it's the other way around.
The TV show ending was so shit that it brought for more attention and scrutiny to the books. A frickload of people who would never have read the books suddenly decided that they were going to read the new ones because they wanted a better ending to the story.
GRR Martin can't cope with all the pressure to write an ending that would compensate for the TV shitshow that Dumb and Dumber came out with, so he distracts himself with procrastination projects.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean he’s fricking rich and old, he probably doesn’t care at this point
it wasn't fine. Bran being king is ridiculous, and divorcing the north from the seven kingdoms with a fricking stark on the throne voted by all the other lords? lmao
maybe dany ending could be good executing it properly but the rest is absolutely dogshit. Jaime's ending is dogshit, the hound ending is dog shit, arya ending is crap
He gave them his notes for their planned endings, but that doesn't mean he can't change things or account for the differences between show and books. Danys ending in the show doesn't make sense because there she is this YASS QUEEN idealist whose ideals pan out just fine, but in the books she's a violent idiot who fricked things up for everyone and stays in power by force of arms and a few tard wranglers.
The Dany ending is legit perfect. She really does get more insane as things go on and it really is only because of her advisors that she gets reigned in. If she lost her critical counsel as she did in the show, yeah, I could see her doing some dumb frick Targaryn shit. And it keeps with a returning theme among the would be claimants - those that are archetypes to a fault lose to the inflexibility of their archetype. Be that 'honest' Ned, 'everyone loves me, how could I lose' Renly, 'muh duty' Stannis, or 'I am the Dragon' yas Queen Targaryn.
But notes are notes, and execution is in the end everything.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well said
1 year ago
Anonymous
I just hate danytroons and i wish the targ/insullied would get genocided
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Danny ending is only "perfect" if viewed with so much distance and abstraction you need a telescope and a philosophy major you describe it to you by proxy.
As with just about every example on your list, we get these random, wild oscillations of character, incoherent scenes and lines, so that no matter what the end result is, we can say "see! Look at the pattern!!" but there wasn't a pattern, there was chaos, and any result would have lined up with a bunch of things by random chance. It makes everyone in the setting look both moronic and insane, and not in a realistic or interesting way, just like they're phantoms in the back of a schizophrenic's head.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh, I don't mean the execution is perfect, it's scholck. But the heel turn in and of itself is perfect.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The heel turn has no support in the show. In the books she's short-sighted, doesn't think things through, brute forces her way, and is shit at running things. You don't even need to bring anything in about hereditary madness or whatever, she's a violent idiot.
It's because the fat c**t has been wasting his time with prequels and extended lore books instead of focusing on the main series.
He could already be finished with Dream of Spring, unironically.
Instead we have some fluff.
Possibly
GRRM is known to struggle with writer's block
Here to remind anons that Daenerys lost a rare and costly Rhaegal class Dragon returning to base from a CAS mission to Euron Fleet based AA because she kinda forgot both to scout ahead and also that the enemy had a fleet in the first place.
She also previously lost another dragon to a White Walker manpad because she was flying too low.
Why was Daenerys so moronic??Costantly losing CAS to enemies with no air force despite supposed air supremacy.
Kek
Fatman let D&D run their mouths about how he gave them his plans for the ending. The majority of his readers dont want or care about his books anymore.
Speak for yourself homosexual
Dumb and Dumber may have ruined R+L=J but the fate of nearly everyone else is still up in the air, because the show fricked with their storylines so much
>Are we ever getting a conclusion to the series, bros?
Series are actually good. 9000 times better than TV.
Fricking left on cliffhanger.
All that Arya character development but no putting her into action
Can we strangle that lazy fat frick?
Ally John Snow, AKA John Targaryen, AKA the Prince Who Was Promised post Resurrection, who will pull Northmen to the Stark name, particularly the Manderlys.
You can avoid having a conflict for now over who will be King, defeat the Boltons, and take the Neck. Maybe even reach out to the Iron Men and say "frick off from the North and focus on Old Town and the South and we can coordinate."
Also, maybe try to ally Asha long term by giving her brother back to her to have an inside track on creating friction in the Iron Islands later.
Obviously having Mance as an ally gives you bodies, giants, and mammoths too. You make your men accept it by pointing to the Walkers and the miracle of John Snows resurrection. You wear the Black until death and Jon died so he is not an oathbreaker.
Second, as soon as Sansa reappears work on getting a marriage alliance with her by annulling your current marriage since your wife is baren and you have no hier.
Wait to make your move on Jon or settle for being King's Hand and have your daughter marry Jon when she comes of age and have a grandson destined for the Iron Throne.
Kings Hand is his best bet. Danny has dragons and a large army. But she will never bear children, making Jon hier. Jon can marry his daughter and he can be King's Hand. This is the ideal ending.
Just focus on keeping the North as an independent kingdom for now and then gang bang the South later with Danny and Dorne in exchange for temporary Dornish independence.
You can even ally the Greyjoys and the when Heuron inevitably fricks up by raiding and breaking the peace kill him.
Only problem is that, in the books, Heuron has that magical horn that lets him take control of dragons and is sailing to Danny, not to frick Cersi and build a gay ballista.
don't frick the witch. simple as that. melisandre is 100% responsible for all the misfortunes that fell on him and the reason why he went full psycho. should've listened to the onion knight and burn her at the stake
>2013 >Get Barristan the Bold POV for the Siege of Mereen >Stannis meets Asha chapter >Jon is dead >Danny in the Steppe surrounded by Dothtraki >Tyrion and Jorah finally made it to Mereen >Dornish uprising >Jamie just decided to betray Cerise unlike the show >Victarion at Mereen with magical demon hand and magical horn >Brienne in a noose >Lady Stoneheart, Catelyn's evil resurrected corpse that went bad running the Riverlands resistance (also cut in the show) >Arrya blind >Sam knows Jon is a Targaryen >Bran chapters finally worth reading. >Cersi just chastised and publicly shamed and insane hording wild fire
A decade later, nothing but the terrible show to follow up. Cersi blowing up the High garden crew was the good part after the source material
Also >Rickon on the cannibal island and Davos going to find him >Lord Manderly secretly killing Freys and Boltons and feeding them to their family members while also eating double portions of human meat >Seems good because the Boltons are bad but there is strong foreshadowing in a story about another guy who began eating his enemies out of vergence lust the last time the Walkers came turning into a demon.
Maybe Demon Manderly and Lady Stoneheart can beat the Walkers by being more evil, that'd be a better twist than the show.
>Rickon on the cannibal island and Davos going to find him
This will definitely happen off page.
Honestly Incredible how badly they fricked up the Dornish plotline in the show, would have been better off just not including it at all if they weren't going to do the Aegon story either.
It would be nice if evil just crushed everything and caused a reset. But GRrm is too much of a fat homosexual to have evil actually make everything great
>Sandor "The Hound" Clegane at a monastery of the Seven > Cersei demanding trial by combat > But who will represent the faith????
BAW THE SEVEN, THAT'S THE GRAVE DIGGER'S MUSIC!!
Why didn't Stannis just use stealth F-35 to SEAD Bolton air defense, then use airpower to bomb the Bolton troop concentration inside Winterfell into submission?
Ally the the Inchori and Golgotterath and use techne and Consult Gnostics sorcery to destroy the Walkers and others. Danny has all of three small Rakcu.
That or throw your dice in with Our Mostly Holy Aspect Emperor and Warrior Prophet, but then you get subject to Dûnyain mind rape. Given his relationship with the witch though he would just become another pawn of Yatwer and die like the other White Luck Warriors.
In a lot of ways I think Bakker is better than GRRM, although he definitely starts even slower and has more slow parts, but his factions are all so fricking unlikeable. GRRM gives you people to root for. Bakker gives you an incredibly bleak conflict where the only partly likeable characters have no power and continually get fricked.
By not having undercut my claim to the throne by importing a human sacrifice religion from another continent, or perhaps just by acknowledging the King in the North until I had conquered the entire south.
>Instead, he ignored all the minor players and went straight for Winterfell in the worst weather with a smaller force and staved.
He took a slight detour and recruited some wilderness clans and then hooked up with the Stark loyalists outside Winterfell, he doesn't have the luxury of doing a thorough campaign during winter with no logistical base.
No shit, Sherlock. Which is why he should have seized those minor league houses’ lands and sets to do EXACTLY that.
This was a Kiev-style Zerg Rush with no MSR or Logistics Train a few years BEFORE the ACTUAL Kiev Zerg Rush with no MSR and No Log Train.
Like I said…Stannis could be a fricking Russian General Staff war planner.
Also, where did his fleet go? Was it a rental? Did he have to return it or lose his deposit?
Why the frick did he have his hireling army just WALK to Winterfell in winter?
Does nobody understand that the point of naval warfare is MOBILITY and the point of amphibious warfare is choose the time and place to invade your enemy’s space?
He could have sailed up and down the eastern coast and chose where to land his forces o conduct raids to draw the Boltons’ main force out.
>t. didn't read books
the fleet literally was a rental, they were mercs who left after it became clear they weren't getting paid. stannis in the books spends time amassing allies before marching on winterfell because he isn't a fricking moron like in the show
Nope didn’t read his fricking books. Majiks and Dragons and Knights and shit are all Tolkien wannabes.
And none of them will ever compare.
The only good thing on that show was that all the Stronk Whamens mostly get killed or frick off to the very end of the world, the savages get Buck-broken, and all the Black folks that did most of the dying all got on the ships and went back to Africa.
This leaves all the Honkie heterosexuals in charge acting for the cripple who just sits in his chair and dicks around with his Mental X-Box all day long for years on end.
>t. didn't read books
the fleet literally was a rental, they were mercs who left after it became clear they weren't getting paid. stannis in the books spends time amassing allies before marching on winterfell because he isn't a fricking moron like in the show
>This was light entertainment for me, not the fricking Gospel that I model my life on, my lad.
why are you posting in a thread about it then
1 year ago
Anonymous
The question was about a matter of strategy.
Do you remember the OPs original question, or do you think that was an opportunity to show your Officially Licensed Valyrian Steel butt plug to all your envious little friends?
Well, he walked to Winterfell in deep snow…and how did THAT work out for him?
He gets his ass handed to him on a plate and gets his coconut chopped off by Super Butch Totally Non-Lesbian, (who nevertheless swears herself to be the Ginger Cum-dumpster Bolton Frick-Thing’s personal slave for life).
Let’s be TOTALLY realistic here. Half of that army would be dead from scurvy, and the rest from some nasty homosexual butt-fricking venereal disease from the Arctic.
Nope didn’t read his fricking books. Majiks and Dragons and Knights and shit are all Tolkien wannabes.
And none of them will ever compare.
The only good thing on that show was that all the Stronk Whamens mostly get killed or frick off to the very end of the world, the savages get Buck-broken, and all the Black folks that did most of the dying all got on the ships and went back to Africa.
This leaves all the Honkie heterosexuals in charge acting for the cripple who just sits in his chair and dicks around with his Mental X-Box all day long for years on end.
Couldn’t have ended better.
What the FRICK should I care if it’s canon or not?
Do you think I’m a fricking adenoidal incel addicted to Mountain Dew and masturbation like you are?
Jesus Wept! Frick Martin and his feeble dick fantasy books. Frick the show written by those two enthusiastic homosexuals.
This was light entertainment for me, not the fricking Gospel that I model my life on, my lad.
Go outside, Touch grass. Drive a fast car. Frick a REAL girl, (not one with a penis).
Perspective, youngster…PERSPECTIVE.
I tried reading “Sir Duncan and The Egg”.
It was a ho-hum adventure yarn dressed in the chain mail of Westeros power politics and all the other sword-waving homosexualry.
Look, Martin’s schlock will never be a Tolkien or an Asimov or A Frank Herbert’s Dune series.
Hell, there’s the Card’s Ender’s Game Trilogy that got stump-broke by the movie.
Then the Trigon Disunity by Michael Kube-McDowell.
>This was a Kiev-style Zerg Rush with no MSR or Logistics Train a few years BEFORE the ACTUAL Kiev Zerg Rush with no MSR and No Log Train.
To be fair, Germany tried the same thing at Moscow in 1941 and it had ended in a similarly spectacular failure. D&D weren't exactly being visionary here.
What? Why? To become as pathetic as you?
No thanks, anoncel.
I like to have sex...with women.
I think there's a coupon over on /misc/ where you get 10% off a Daenerys rubber sex doll,(assuming you haven't already got one).
Go nuts, you sad freak.
It seems likely that Stannis will take Winterfell but what the frick can he do after? Winter is rapidly approaching and he is stuck in the most remote kingdom in all the 7 kingdoms. His entire army is exhausted with little supplies, heavy casualties and little hope for reinforcements anytime soon. He probably won't make any more gains for his claim on the throne and will likely die fighting the Others. Truly the king that cared, far too based for the degenerate Westerosi lords and their petty power struggles for wealth.
If Stannis can take Winterfell and defeat the Boltons and Freys, Manderly and Umber at least will assist him, if not all the Northern lords in fact. Manderly has tons of supplies and there will be time and space to consolidate, maybe get reinforcements from the Iron Bank. Winterfell is a strategic location and rallying point especially in winter.
>Every stool was looser than the one before
I just want a delirious Danerys to rise from the reeds and exclaim to an uncaring sky above "I am the lizard queen!"
Danerys' turn towards cruel violence is fine as an overarching story arc and it's certainly believable that this is what GRRM intended, it's just not played off convincingly in the show.
There is little effort to characterise Dany this way and even much earlier moments from the books that are supposed to be fairly morally contemptible are simply played off as 'yaas queen' moments.
This is a big problem in shows, especially for mass audience, where characters that the audience are supposed to be invested in aren't allowed to be deeply flawed.
I think this is a problem in the adaptation of TLOU as well where the show shies away from depicting the level of brutality that Joel is comfortable committing.
There is a fear of an audience that won't remain interested in a potentially ethically dubious character.
>The split goes back way farther than Aegon's conquest, as detailed in Old Nan Tales Vol. III. The split comes from House Goodmen's ancestral belief that good men, godly men, would be the saviors of the realm. Fairly early in their history, however, their cadet branch which had taken up residence at a castle called the "Goodkeep," northwest of the Dreadfort, came to believe that the Prophecy of the Goodmen actually referred only to one man, the Goodman, and not multiple good men - though some say that the Goodmens of the Goodfort were the cadet branch and the Goodmans were the original. The feud grew and grew for a thousand years, and the two branches of House Goodmen grew farther apart and more bitter towards each other. It finally culminated in the splitting of the house during Aegon's conquest, when Lord Goodmen bent the knee to Aegon. The Lord of the Goodkeep would not abide, and declared that his house was foreverafter separate from House Goodmen. Thus, House Goodman was founded, and not a fortnight later the forces of the Goodkeep and the Goodfort met and did battle beneath the snowy boughs of the Goodwood. It was said that the Goodstream ran red that day, the spilt goodblood of thousands of Goodmen and Goodman bannermen flowing out into the Shivering Sea. It is said that Lord Goodmen and Lord Goodman perished on each other's swords, cursing their foes' families for generations afterwards with their dying breaths.
/tg/ had better
PrepHole is for cooming over actresses
Thats when the show started picking up in popularity on top of that he started writing Fire and Blood and TWOIAF. He was also getting lots of interview, awards and event invites.
He wanted to finish his books. There's suppose to be 2 more.
what an ass
it's only a million words, he's just jobbing it
>/k/ has better discussions on GoT than PrepHole
Thats because the GoT threads on PrepHole are like Halo threads on PrepHole. They are filled with Turbo spergs who think its the best thing ever or hyper contrarians who's idea of GoT is Burlington Bar reaction videos.
>Lord Pea Pod. If you were a man, I would kill you for that, but my sword is made of too fine a steel to besmirch with craven's blood. Aye, men are dying. More will die before we see Winterfell. What of it? This is war. Men die in war. That is as it should be. As it has always been. >I want to live forever in a land where summer lasts a thousand years. I want a castle in the clouds where I can look down over the world. I want to be six-and-twenty again. When I was six-and-twenty I could fight all day and frick all night. What men want does not matter. Winter is almost upon us, boy. And winter is death. >I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks. No one sings songs of men who die like that. As for me, I am old. This will be my last winter. Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die. I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull. I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue.
You are not wrong. Stannis is basically a Putin, none of his underlings are likable or sufferable except for davos. None of them competent to follow his vision either. People like him because he has conviction and an insane sense of duty and what is right but his army and his servants suck balls and he converted to some crazy god.
>stannis is basically a Putin
moronic redditor tourist ASOIAFlet
Stannis held storms'end for a year whitout any supply
He crushed the Greyjoy fleet during the Greyjoy rebellion
He was going to win at KL if tywin didnt intervene
He is always leading his troops in person even if everything goes wrong
>Bastard >Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red prostitute. Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King Beyond the Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me. I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six prostitutes who came with him to Winterfell. I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it. Ramsay Bolton, Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.
Kill the priestess, stop burning people and issue all my troops with winter clothing and food. Maybe attack in summer, as impersonating napoleons advance on Moscow is not a winning strategy.
Realise I am a key character in one that fat fricks shit stories and so am doomed to fail at whatever I do before dying horribly. I would disband the army and buy a villa in Dorn instead and enjoy myeslf before my inevitable murder/rape/burning.
If I was Stannis I would have swallowed my pride, supported Renly and hung every Lannister before fearmongering about Targaryens and white walkers. Stannis is a cool character but he's also a complete dumbass with complete dumbass goals.
Works fine, but it's essentially just fancy chain mail. Might be a tiny bit lighter than chain, but it protects against everything just as good as it, but not any better. Same strength against slashes, decent against thrusts/arrows and weakness to blunt force. My favorite part is actually the shoulders, where you're unlikely to catch a thrust, the sewn in plates could really help against a blow.
That said it looks great and that's important. Saves you the weight of having some gay ass tabard
>well fed garrison with an entire civilian support structure taking hot baths and drinking spring water and beer every day
vs >your own freezing, starving army that's already resorting to cannibalism and whose medical science amounts to "burn anyone who gets sick"
Yeah nature will take its course alright.
The same reason PrepHole and PrepHole threads show up all the time on /k/. At least be happy OP made the attempt to obfuscate his thread with a /k/ related opening post.
Ally with all northerners/stark followers/wildlings
Lure ramsey in a trap then frick him up, then take the castle with ease
Make Jon the lord of winterfell, Rally all the north behind me to avenge the starks and kill Cersei
Prepare for dany coming, frick up her army and prepare for her dragon then take her as a sex slave
Then become king
How would /k/ take a shithole island covered in crabs?
How hard is it to support friendly ships with a goddamn fricking dragon? Is Daemon meant to be completely fricking incompetent or is it just the moronic BLM homosexual millennial writers? Since he ends up trying to solo it while dodging arrows on foot, I'm guessing the latter
All you have to do is strafe the archers then burn the fricking morons on the surface then have your army start taking the island and deny access to the surface, I don't get how this island is supposed to be a threat after applying a basic level of thought
I heard this was a good show, but I am yet again absolutely fricking seething and disappointed
If you were that worried about archers couldn't dragons just drop burning shit from way outside bow range?
Frick, just get a huge bag of rocks and blast them before you drop them, that dragon fire is so hot they'd probably still be red hot when they hit the ground.
They don't even seem to damage the dragons, just the rider
There is a scene where he lands in the middle of the clearing and burns some guys, then within a few minutes archers somehow come out of the surroundings and rain down arrows, guy gets slightly injured and flys away instead of coming back at an angle to burn the archers
BS
>just get a huge bag of rocks
we tried that in WW1 with flechettes
the chances of hitting a man are infinitesimal
far far better to throw incendiary bombs ie wildfire pots
We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless, and by then infantry was 100 times as spread out as in medieval battles.
Also, dropping heated rocks or burning wood would set structures ablaze, slingers did this during sieges and naval battles already. Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold?
For Daenerys, the comparison is actually quite fitting.
>impulsive >neurotic >mentally unstable >messiah complex >incapable of understanding what actually caused her dynasty's downfall and goes about repeating the same mistakes, sometimes on a larger scale
Both are good but they are different
ASOIAF is more "sandbox", it feels like reading history of an fantasy universe while LOTR is like a long awesome adventure/journey
>How do we defeat dany the prostitute and her flying abominations
It's easy, wait for her to be moronic or for you to develop hypersonic Ballista and teleporting boats.
>develop hypersonic Ballista and teleporting boats.
It did BTFO Dragons in the books/lore,
Dornians used Scorpions to kill Meraxes, who was 10 times more strong, big and resistant than Dany Dragons, or during the dance, a mercenary fleet managed to take down a dragon too
Also Stannis will have the North with him and it is said that stark made weirwood arrows can kill dragons (the same way dragonglass kill wights/others, you know ice magic VS fire magic)
The brother of Torrhen stark intented to defeat the dragons like this if they were going at war with the targs (or just infiltrate targ camp and slice their throat at night)
What is it with fantasy settings and exaggerating the power of scorpions/ballistae by a factor of a thousand? Most on screen fantasy scorpions are more powerful than fricking bombard cannons.
>weirwood arrows
unproven wunderwaffen >Dornians used Scorpions to kill Meraxes
hundreds of them
Half of the posts on GoT threads in PrepHole are from pedos.
[...] >pledging loyalty as the ture heir to the throne to some usurping gay who clearly intends to kill you.
>Half of the posts on GoT threads in PrepHole are from pedos
how? why? GOT threads on other boards are comfy
Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes who was one of >unproven
It was never used so may never know and given the Ice VS Fire magic thing in ASOIAF, im sure that it can kill dragons
Like Dragonglass is a magical fire weapon that can kill wights/others and they ice magical creatures
Half of the posts on GoT threads in PrepHole are from pedos.
[...] >pledging loyalty as the ture heir to the throne to some usurping gay who clearly intends to kill you.
Started flooding threads during House of the Dragon and would not leave, they were obsessed over a bastard child that became dragon food in the last episode. Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
>Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
it didn't in fact they started tripgayging now. Even /got/ bran fujo's weren't this bad. I keep reporting them for avatargayging and spam but janny literally doesn't do shit.
Started flooding threads during House of the Dragon and would not leave, they were obsessed over a bastard child that became dragon food in the last episode. Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
>bastard child that became dragon food
is that the ugly girl?
but she's old by then right, if I remember my Dance of Dragons correctly
>HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
Even the art director or whoever was like "yeah they can fire at targets miles and miles away".
It's like in Lord of the Rings the movie, where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a Black person, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall. You couldn't do that with a fricking naval gun from the 1800s.
>where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a Black person, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall
yeah but that was fun tho >You couldn't do that with a fricking naval gun from the 1800s
you can
naval guns were effective at one mile, deadly at a half mile, and at musket range would punch holes in two feet of hardened oak
The comparison is that if Meraxes got shot by a Scorpion
Then Dany Dragons would be sliced in half by a Scorpion
According to the Lore logic, when Bronn shot drogon during the fire battle, it should have killed him right on the spot
rational
depends what kind of scorpion
the one that Bronn wielded was pretty damned big to be fair
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you can >naval guns were effective at one mile, deadly at a half mile, and at musket range would punch holes in two feet of hardened oak
You couldn't specifically fire a projectile that distance, pick up two hundred pounds of extra weight, then continue on a significant distance. leaving aside the fact that the man should have been blown apart, moving an object of that weight a significant distance with a ballistic impact is absurdly difficult. Inertial forces are orders of magnitude removed from energy output, bullets are way less effective at moving objects as they are at tunneling through them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You couldn't specifically fire a projectile that distance, pick up two hundred pounds of extra weight, then continue on a significant distance
yeah fair enough
I found the scene though, it's a grapnel hook that shoots him off the battlements, he doesn't get stuck against the wall, so... theoretically possible with a blunt enough projectile at the end of its force
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sp has far better taste in terms of cooming tbh >bronn scorpion
And it was only regular bolts
Imagine if it was weirwood bolts
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Imagine if it was weirwood bolts
it would do nothing, and then the archer dies hilariously, like another Horn of Joralmao situation
1 year ago
Anonymous
It would do something
Otherwise GRRM wouldnt have mentioned it, especially if you think about the fire vs ice thing
And there is archers in ASOIAF that deal massive damage compared to regular archers due to the difference of their arrows wood
So why not weirwood ?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Otherwise GRRM wouldnt have mentioned it
lmao dude this is the series most well-known for red herrings besides the gore, sex and betrayals
>due to the difference of their arrows wood
bow wood, anon, not arrow wood
We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless, and by then infantry was 100 times as spread out as in medieval battles.
Also, dropping heated rocks or burning wood would set structures ablaze, slingers did this during sieges and naval battles already. Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold?
>We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless
You mean we tried various ways of doing it to see if we could ever unfrick it, and we don't do it any more now, because FOR NOW we know it's suboptimal. Somewhere in the future someone might come up with, I dunno, a hypersonic delivery system, and then the question will come up again. But that doesn't mean flechettes are or were ever a good idea.
>Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold
Okay, then drop the traditional medieval combustibles, pitch jars. The point is that burning liquid splashes over a far greater surface area than a bloody rock.
>The point is that burning liquid splashes over a far greater surface area than a bloody rock.
Red hot stones are actually fantastically good at starting fires.
Why did slingers use heated stones instead of jars of pitch?
can't sling jars of pitch
also, trying to start fires with heated stones? yeah just ask any innawoods dude how "easy" that is
over time with enough ammo you can get a good fire on the field itself
but it's not a shit-hot antipersonnel round if that's what you're thinking
Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes who was one of >unproven
It was never used so may never know and given the Ice VS Fire magic thing in ASOIAF, im sure that it can kill dragons
Like Dragonglass is a magical fire weapon that can kill wights/others and they ice magical creatures
[...]
This for both opinions
>It was never used so may never know >im sure
uhuh yeah
>Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes
the question is one of efficiency; you can argue that a man dies to one bullet from a revolver, same as he does from a belt-fed machine gun; does that mean a pistol is as good a weapon of war as a belt-fed machine-gun?
HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
>also, trying to start fires with heated stones? yeah just ask any innawoods dude how "easy" that is
Do innawoods bushcrafters routinely have access to red hot stones before they've built a fire, dipshit?
>but it's not a shit-hot antipersonnel round if that's what you're thinking
Didn't this start with a discussion of a SIEGE?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Didn't this start with a discussion of a SIEGE
yes, then it wandered in the direction of flechettes in WW1 and Vietnam, which sort of opened it up to use in the field, don't you think?
but okay let's go back to a siege - once again, you'd use combustibles like pitch jars and carcasses*, rather than (sigh) fricking rocks >*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcass_(projectile)
>Do innawoods bushcrafters routinely have access to red hot stones before they've built a fire
gee let me think, do bushcrafters set rocks on fire, or set wood on fire, when they want to build a fire, shit for brains
all this fricking around because you read somewhere that slingers throw heated stones, so you refuse to use what everyone else did. you scratch your nose by reaching round your head too?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>gee let me think, do bushcrafters set rocks on fire, or set wood on fire, when they want to build a fire, shit for brains
hahahahaha this has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
>HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
Even the art director or whoever was like "yeah they can fire at targets miles and miles away".
It's like in Lord of the Rings the movie, where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a Black person, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall. You couldn't do that with a fricking naval gun from the 1800s.
Gigacucked
Stannis is the rightful heir
Renly is a war virgin while stannis is a veteran commander and imagine if people discovered he was gay
Renly should have submitted to his brother and accept to be lord of storms'end
I thought Stannis was fairly weak, wasn’t he? I remember him being described as a solid, competent leader but lacking charisma. He had witch support but wasn’t really strong enough to win the war. As I recall the witch was backing him because she mistakenly believed him to be a prophesied chosen one lol.
Yeah, she kept sucking his essence to make shadow shits that kill specific individuals. That's the only way he actually accomplished anything in this rebellion.
It'll be interesting how Jon makes Longclaw into the chosen one master sword. My money is him killing Danny then dunking on the others.
>wipe out the only people who can ride dragons >in a world with dragons
Targs are like nukes, if someone else has Targs and dragons you're fricked mate
This
Frick targatroons
[...]
Targs are notoriously very shit at war when they dont have dragons anymore
Aegon would have never even beaten the Durrondons whitout Dragons
[...]
GRRM let his mind think a lot before writing the evolution of the story
Thats why it takes so much times
But if you write from the beginning, it shouldnt take long
The point is that >only Targs had the capability to actually control Dragons
and it's unwise as we have seen to bank on either dragon or Targ extinction
it's like, what if we believe we've managed to destroy all nuke tech, so because of that we dumpster all ICBM tech, on the assumption that surely nobody anywhere has managed to kept a nuclear-tipped ICBM hidden somewhere, SURELY...
This is why im so hesitant to write. Ive planned most of my story and have about 12 books worth of varying lengths but im afraid it will be flawed as frick and if I attempt to fix it i end up like GRRM. IWNBAn author...
Not only targs
It just a valyrian thing and also there is some magical objects like euron has that can control them too
As for your point
Just develop anti dragon weapons/tactics
>wipe out the only people who can ride dragons >in a world with dragons
Targs are like nukes, if someone else has Targs and dragons you're fricked mate
Targs are notoriously very shit at war when they dont have dragons anymore
Aegon would have never even beaten the Durrondons whitout Dragons
This is why im so hesitant to write. Ive planned most of my story and have about 12 books worth of varying lengths but im afraid it will be flawed as frick and if I attempt to fix it i end up like GRRM. IWNBAn author...
GRRM let his mind think a lot before writing the evolution of the story
Thats why it takes so much times
But if you write from the beginning, it shouldnt take long
Not reading the thread, it's too long.
Has anyone suggested tunneling underneath to get inside the walls? Because that's exactly the galaxy brain move Stannis the Mannis would do.
Do we actually know anything about the Vale's army?
I think if you go by the starting strengths and what they manage to achieve, the Lannisters have the most impressive single force. Despite not being stated to be terribly strong, it consistently beats off forces stated to be some of the greatest in the seven kingdoms (the North and Riverlands, Stormlands and Reach) unless the crownlands have some gigachad forces of their own, the Westerlands constantly punch above their weight. Might just come down to superior leadership.
By the end of the latest book, I think the Vale and Dorne might be the top contenders just by virtue of being the only ones not battered by bloody wars.
The vale has the best cavalry and knights
They have the most martial culture of all of Westeros and even the ASOIAF world
Its where chilvary started in westeros
Not to mention they have top tier terrain for defense
Also they and Dorne are the only two realms who have largely stayed out of the War of Five Kings so they've suffered no depletion of troops in battle. Getting involved in the next book would let them put their thumbs on the scale quite freely
Reach is the largest army, as it's the largest realm by populus
Westerlands is probably the best equipped because of all the gold in the area. Plus under Tywin at least have excellent leaders.
The Vale has a deep cavalry tradition, and stupid strong defenses
The Stormlands have a long history of butting heads with their neighbours before the conquest, and Dorne for 200 years after, and there are are a bunch of lords called the Marcher lords to give you an idea of their martial prowess. Also the Baratheons are generally very lead-by-the-front sorts, not just Robert.
Iron Islands are a naval power and know it. The Reach and Westerlands aren't slouches in this field but I.I. are focused on it. Their land combat is more about raiding and pillaging than setpiece battles.
The Riverlands are the crossroads of the continent and have probably seen the most war, but while this may improve martial skill it also means they get ravaged a lot and may not have the raw resources or manpower compared to the others.
Dorne can run effective guerrilla campaigns but obviously this means letting the enemy into your territory.
The North are probably the hardiest soldiers, putting up with the toughest conditions. I know "hard times make hard men" is an historical meme but there's something to it in Westeros.
>"hard times make hard men" is an historical meme
It's bullshit in the cycles of history sort of way, but a culture that grows up around the constant threat of death and a region whose population is mostly the wilderness kind of rural tends to be able to levy more randos and have them turn out to be half decent soldiers.
The dothrakis could have never managed to invade westeros on their own
GRRM is an historylet on this and he think all steppe people are the same >but the mongols
First of all, dothrakis are nothing like mongols and even mongols/turks got defeated IRL by europeans
Keep in mind Westeros is way stronger than medieval europe and that mongols are way stronger than dothrakis
Also the tech level is too important
Westeros armies are like late medieval armies
The dothrakis are like bronze age steppe nomads
It would just be a fricking one sided massacre if it happens
So they cant even fricking siege too ?
So how the frick do they plan to invade westeros
The dothrakis have literally zero point wich they are superior to the westerosis and keep in mind they never faced westerosi armies in their lifetime
Even the fricking insullied eunuch beated them
Daenerys has been spun a lie all this while about Westeros eagerly welcoming back the Targs. She has enough problems trying to fricking get to a harbour, let alone ferry (what's left of) her troops to Westeros. Also, she doesn't have any Dothraki left other than her retinue. If Meereen had all gone well, she'd basically have expected to invade Westeros with mercenaries and Unsullied - the mercs at least might have SOME siegecraft, though I doubt it. And that's it.
It's not really a lie by the third book, the peasants would much rather have a targ because they associate it with stability as seen by Aryas pov chapters as she moves about. fAegon is set to make a huge mess for everyone around because he's presenting himself as a Targ which will cause the small folk to become restless while also having the Golden Company that still has alot of connections in the Reach that will undoubtedly cause huge headaches for the Tyrels after their vanguard is crushed by Jon Connington. But that's nothing to how everyone will go crazy about seeing Dany come back with three dragons to parade to the nobles. Too bad we'll never see a official book on how it all turns out and how Bran fricks everyone up
>It's not really a lie by the third book, the peasants would much rather have a targ because they associate it with stability
Yeah and everyone hates Bloodraven but I didn't see the peasants rise up for Bittersteel during the Third Blackfyre Rebellion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>rise up for Bittersteel >for Biittersteel >bitter
Anon you do realize people hated bittersteel just as much? He had no taste for politics and thus had no allies. Plus the like the second rebellion, the third was an attack on peace itself to the small folk who saw the union of Dorne and the Iron Throne as part of a golden age and is no way comparable to what fAegon or Dany would be getting when landing in the middle of a multi stage civil war that has brought alot of bad blood due to the Lannisters setting the Riverlands to the torch and the raiding by Euron against the Reach while the North is in upheaval, not even in the same ball park anon. And even before all this, we know Doran had been plotting to have Viserys be supported by Dorne in the right moment so its not like there was zero support even before everything hit the fan
It's just wierd in the show how she basically had a continent sized empire with no possible challengers and she pissed it all away for the chance at a smaller continent sized empire she'd have to mostly destroy to control.
It makes little sense in the show but in the books it looks like she's gonna go on a slave liberation blood bath across Volantis up to Pentos. In the show she just led a super minority government controlled by foreign sell swords with neighbors that hate them, with if we assume that the fleet attacking Slavers bay included what it was in the books, you still have Tolos and Elyria unharmed who are both slaver cities ready to swoop in the vacuum
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Actually it was Mantarys and Elyria that are unharmed, Tolos was part of invasion of Mereen. But Mantarys does behead her envoys so yeah they hate her too lol
The Dothraki have no IRL counterpart we can really look at, George based them on cultures he had no understanding of and left it the shallow war mongerer group they are today. Basically anything in Essos doesnt make sense on even a cursory glance and it'll only give you headache if you try to see how anything makes sense there, like where do the millions of slaves come from? The free cities and Slavers bay deal in producing trained slaves but the Dothraki must be getting the fresh ones somewhere, but as we saw with Tyrions pov while traveling from Pentos to Volantis, there's no towns between Pentos and Volon Therys which makes no sense on its own but even less so with how the dothraki manage to make the slaves spawn from this wasteland
>Vimes sat in his office, reading the clacker dispatch Carrot had just given him. >"So they're in a civil war..." >"Yes sir." >"Because the Queen's children aren't the King's." >"Seems so, sir." >"Do we know whose children they are?" >"...her brother, sir." >Commander Vimes blinked. "...takes all sorts. Oh and they've angered a noble family or three who are trying to break away." >"Yes, sir." >"And they're ignoring the reports of claimants to the throne getting ready to invade, or the growing threat from the North." >"Appears so, sir." >"Typical. So busy looking for the damn chair to sit on they forget why they bother. And is it just me, or are they all..." >"All what, sir?" >"Dour. Nobody's laughing maniacally at their plotting, they're all bloody miserable." >Carrot shrugged. "They take it seriously, sir." >"Too seriously."
By forcing battle on the ice and collapsing the lake. Also diplomacy, since most Northern lords hate the Boltons.
That's what he does in the book I think
That book isn't out yet. It's what most fans expect is going to happen.
>yet
That fat ass of GRRM will die from heart attack before finishing Winds of Winter.
Even if George dies tomorrow we would still get like a half a book, we will get some iteration of Winds of Winter at some point. Zero chance we get anything after that though
Isn't he around 70-80% done?
Lmao no
He claimed to be about 75% of the way done 6 months ago but with the caveat that he's going back and rewriting earlier chapters, so in reality he's about 50% done. Bear in mind he said he was about half of the way through a million years ago and Winds of Winter likely isn't his top priority despite how much he says it is (he's been also saying that for years yet started and finished Fire and Blood which was about as long as ACOK) with Fire and Blood 2 yet to be released as well as him also being somewhat involved with HOTD I believe.
We *might* gets Winds of Winter in a year or two but we will NEVER get Dream of Spring.
>we will NEVER get Dream of Spring
not from him anyway
the Expanse boys will finish it probably
Preston Jacobs fanfic will be done before TWOW has a release date, let alone is actually on shelves.
>Preston Jacobs fanfic
was ist?
some dude on youtube who dedicates his whole life to analyzing and theorizing about asoiaf related stuff as well as creating his own fanfic
>Preston
I honestly think he's just lost interest and doesn't want to admit it because then everyone will lose interest and wander off.
This is why im so hesitant to write. Ive planned most of my story and have about 12 books worth of varying lengths but im afraid it will be flawed as frick and if I attempt to fix it i end up like GRRM. IWNBAn author...
>Ive planned most of my story
then you're not like GRRM
George will never finish the book because he already has what he has wanted all of his life that he wasted trying to get, fame and fortune. We are just sol because George only finally made it big with Game of Thrones being picked up by HBO and the many sequels planned which George is actively a part of, not because he's writing new material but because he enjoys all the attention he gets on set and the access to expensive hotel rooms and fans that follow the HBO set bandwagon. George was never in writing because of wanting to write a good story, and that's the sad truth very little fans of his works understand. All the previous worlds he has fleshed out and created over the decades are all absolute junk to him and seeing nerds go up to him in conventions wasting 10 hours in line just to ask about the ice dragon or distant worlds just to have George go "huh what's that?" as an answer is just the icing on top. If the first woiaf book flopped, George would have ditched it and started a new story like he has done plenty of times before, he's no Tolkien, Wells or lovecraft that wrote day and night for the sake of the craft instead of the success, George just wants people to dickride him
Why the frick would i want Winterfell if i can just stay on Dragonstone, fortify it, and cum into Melisandre over and over again for the rest of my days?
Maybe i'd sell all of my shit, go to Bravoos, and rent a room in the "too-old" Brothel.
Frick the Game of Thrones.
>Dragonstone
>still in Baratheon hands
>cum into Melisandre over and over again for the rest of my days
And don’t forget she would use your babies/abortions/children for dark magic rituals.
>11/10 witch pussy
>no worries about dealing with the spawn
Perfection
Pussy is valuable in exact proportion to it's ability to give you strong heirs.
Imagine going through all the trouble of having sex with a magical creature and it cant even give you magical princes.
The hottest sterile <<<<<<<<<<< Any psychic space octopus that gives you chad Cthulhu children
>t. based only have sex for procreation tradhusband
Spoken like a gay cuck
>also muh chad
Comfirmed gay cuck
Impregnation is the only sexual thing a man does that isn't cuckoldry.
You impregnate to create a family and descendants that will continue your deeds
Not because of "muh gay feminine chad sons"
You speak like a gay cuck because your motivation for impregnation is aesthetics, not moral or logical things
>Not because of "muh gay feminine chad sons"
What the frick are you talking about Black person?
>You impregnate to create a family and descendants that will continue your deeds
Yes, thats what I said.
>your motivation for impregnation is aesthetics
Chad is a byword for success, dominance, and masculine behavior, you seething moron.
Not now
Everyone seem to call gay cucks to be chads
Even the steroypical chads are subhuman gay cucks
They not masculine
But then again 97 % of the population are feminine gay cucks with no morals so who knows..
Show died with Tywin
I dont get why normies think only 8 was shit when 5-8 were all dogshit and 5-8 is not canon anyway
same as he did in the books and not the show
see
Renounce or disappear wife and/or daughter and secure the North by marrying Sansa. This would fulfill the well-known wishes of both of the houses' last great leaders (Robert and Ned) by uniting the families via marriage, and by doing so secure all the great warfaring nations of the continent (the North minus the shitty Boltons, the Aerie via familial ties, and the Stormlands). This could foment or fan religious insurrection in the capital as well with this marriage being "virtuous" by way of "rescuing" the orphaned, defamed, and sullied Sansa who might be considered otherwise unmarriagable.
Plus I'd get to breed the young, hot, redhead.
>attacking the largest castle in the north
>no siege equipment whatsoever
>during winter times with shit supplies
What was he thinking?
Pretty sure it was something the mountain clans forced him into.
Considering Stannis is meant to be a master strategist I can only put it down to the writers wanting to end the show in two seasons and deciding to have him do something out of character to kill him off.
Eh, at least "pissing strategy into the wind because in the end your religious zealotry won against common sense" is believable enough. Happened enough times in history where generals threw away their advantage for religious reasons.
Although with more patience you could have seen more of a progression. I.e. first battles are still based on strategy, but every disadvantage is tried to be erased with weird religious rituals, which ultimately create more disadvantages (i.e. fasting to make bad weather turn around when your troops need to eat before a battle, which results in more casualties than you normally would have) and it all dominoes from there.
Stannis isn't a zealot in the books either
Such bullshit
Here to remind anons that Daenerys lost a rare and costly Rhaegal class Dragon returning to base from a CAS mission to Euron Fleet based AA because she kinda forgot both to scout ahead and also that the enemy had a fleet in the first place.
She also previously lost another dragon to a White Walker manpad because she was flying too low.
Why was Daenerys so moronic??Costantly losing CAS to enemies with no air force despite supposed air supremacy.
Despite being show non canon shit, it can happen and it happened a lot
During the dance of the dragons, one of the sides supposed loss a dragon like this against a navy
The Martells also manage to shoot Rhaenys dragon out of the sky when the Targs first tried to conquer Dorne. And the OG Targs' dragons would absolutely mog Dany's.
We going to ignore the fact that the magical bad-guy ballistas fire at like supersonic speeds and blow clean through entire ships from miles away.
This
It happened twice or more in the universe and the dragons of all dans were fricking gigamonsters compared to dany dragons so yeah it could have happened
Only showgays idiots and danytroons were shocked by this
4
Show died with tywin
>It happened twice or more in the universe and the dragons of all dans were fricking gigamonsters compared to dany dragons so yeah it could have happened
>Only showgays idiots and danytroons were shocked by this
I don't care all I care about is the fact that the Ballistas the Lannisters made to hunt dragons could be used to hunt a fricking Abrams.
>The Martells also manage to shoot Rhaenys dragon out of the sky when the Targs first tried to conquer Dorne
GRRM has said though that this was a one in a million shot.
GRRM is a fat moronic b***h
GRRM is an idiot and an historylet
Also a fleet downed one during the dance of the dragons
Bro have you read the book? Reading her POV gives me conniptions. She's such a fricking moron.
>muh wake the dragon
>I'm their mother now
>I will never be their queen, but frick it let me marry this slaver
gimi
>It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident.
>These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother’s banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten.
>Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that.
>Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne
From Winterfell to Storm's end
To Storm's end
The entirety of westeros is attacked
the entirety of westeros is attacked
Robert will lead the rebels
Will lead the rebels
Show them that they are not afraid of anything
They are not afraid of anything
Targaryan trannies have woken up
Targaryan trannies,
Don't touch our lands
Our lands
Stannis will lead the stormlanders
Will lead the stormlanders
Show them that they are not afraid of anything
They are not afraid of anything
From winterfell ,the wolves are coming
The wolves are coming
Be afraid, targatroons
Targatroons
In defense of the stormlands
Defence of the north
We fight, glory to our freedom
Glory to our freedom
>These pardoned lords would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother’s banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten.
He was integral to Robert's rebellion lol, who is he to call anyone out here for treason?
>He was integral to Robert's rebellion lol, who is he to call anyone out here for treason?
He actually talks about how that was one of the hardest decision of his life. To support his usurping brother or do his duty to his rightful king. The point being the Lords of the Stormlands have a duty to follow the head of House Baratheon their liege lord and that was Stannis. Instead they flocked to Renly who had no legitimate claim to the Iron Throne.
>but muh Roberts rebellion
Targ shits did it to themselves Roberts rebellion is hardly even a comparable situation but Targ shit try anyway.
bet Loras spends all his time thinking about Renly's peach as well
This. Stannis struggled with the chain of command. Is his duty to his house, and through his head of house (Robert) only then the King? Or is his duty to his King first and his house second?
The storm lords had no such dillema. Stannis was both the head of house, their lord and their rightful King. They did not choose Renly over an honest conflict of authority, but one solely of preference.
Say what you will of hereditary versus democratic rule, the purpose of hereditery succession was specifically to avoid armed sides contesting the outcome of the vote in open warfare, weakening the realm as a result and leaving it perpetually destabilized.
He can call out who he wants because his side is the right one in both cases
>Lord Seaworth ... reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.
Cool, but Stan is isn't a religious zealot in the slightest
He might be in fact the furthest character from that in the books, he's an edgy atheist
>edgy atheist accidentally allows child sacrifice demon cult to take over
Pretty realistic actually.
Hey! Cool it with the antisemitism buddy.
Stannis more than any other character in the show completely butchered.
At least stannis got to be cool like in the books for a bit: I was going to pick an even worse example but there are too many to count: basically everyone from Dorne and the Iron Islands (except theon and oberynn) got done dirty by DnD
you don't like random prostitute killing Prince of Dorne and usurping the throne?
Late season Euron was fun just because he was an insane shitposter WWE villain and was completely off script the entire time. The actor just did whatever the frick he wanted.
no, that's jaime. his trip to riverun going from
>i must do anything possible to regain my honor, my sister is a parasitic, awful influence on me. i must escape her clutches and build a legacy befitting a great knight
to
>ill catapult ur baby over the wall if it lets me get home and frick my sister quicker lol
is by far the most egregious butchering of any character arc ive ever seen
The worse is how they didnt showed his prowess at the whispering wood or they made brienne beat him when in the books she says that she only neutralized him because he was malnourished and in chains
>rivverun
They also butchered blackfish
In the books he is waylaid by snow but someone with drums has made it to Winterfell and Ramsey is a schizo so he is ordering men out to give battle outside the walls because he wants his Reek back. Sansa never goes north or marries Ramsey in the books. She is getting betrothed to a Vale lord in theory but Little Finger obviously wants her for his own status/lusts.
>What was he thinking?
Post Season 4 writing
If anyone noticed a difference in quality after season 3 it's because GRRM stopped being an advisor and stopped helping write scripts.
Why'd he do that?
Thats when the show started picking up in popularity on top of that he started writing Fire and Blood and TWOIAF. He was also getting lots of interview, awards and event invites.
He wanted to finish his books. There's suppose to be 2 more.
what made no sense was that the iron bank supposedly is bank rolling his campaign. did they just give him like 10 bucks to frick off?
>the iron bank supposedly is bank rolling his campaign
in the show, they gave him funds before sailing back to Westeros, but it was only enough to get im to Winterfell
in the books, the Iron Bank representative has only just *reached* his camp near Winterfell.
Are we ever getting a conclusion to the series, bros? It has been like 15 years since the last book!
All signs point to getting Winds eventually but never getting Dream or if we do get it Martin won’t be the author
He is very old and fat. I don't know, bro...
we're never getting the ending because the fat man saw how much people hated the show ending
By season 5 the show and book might as well be completely divorced. The amount of shit cut makes them barely resemble each other.
Fatman let D&D run their mouths about how he gave them his plans for the ending. The majority of his readers dont want or care about his books anymore.
He gave them his notes for their planned endings, but that doesn't mean he can't change things or account for the differences between show and books. Danys ending in the show doesn't make sense because there she is this YASS QUEEN idealist whose ideals pan out just fine, but in the books she's a violent idiot who fricked things up for everyone and stays in power by force of arms and a few tard wranglers.
Dany scenes were so fricking shit
Only good ones where in season 1
>Fatman let D&D run their mouths about how he gave them his plans for the ending. The majority of his readers dont want or care about his books anymore.
You guys make it so painfully obvious you have no clue what you are talking about despite how much authority you seem to speak on the subject. The books vs the show differences is not "they cut tom bombadil" its literally 70% of the characters are in totally different situation, their plot lines are cut or they just got shelved. Its why nobody buys the "Martins intended ending" BS.
In the books Danaerys is being set up to embrace burninating everything, after being exhausted trying to be peaceful in Mereen, and in embracing that old "Fire and Blood" stuff, this is where something bad may happen to King's Landing, especially if Aegon Targaryen is there. It's not that she burnt the city in the show, but that we never got the character arc that logically leads her to that point. To borrow from Terry Pratchett, we went from A to Z without going through the rest of the alphabet.
As for King Bran, we didn't even reach A.
I think it's the other way around.
The TV show ending was so shit that it brought for more attention and scrutiny to the books. A frickload of people who would never have read the books suddenly decided that they were going to read the new ones because they wanted a better ending to the story.
GRR Martin can't cope with all the pressure to write an ending that would compensate for the TV shitshow that Dumb and Dumber came out with, so he distracts himself with procrastination projects.
I mean he’s fricking rich and old, he probably doesn’t care at this point
The ending as a concept was fine. It was just executed poorly.
it wasn't fine. Bran being king is ridiculous, and divorcing the north from the seven kingdoms with a fricking stark on the throne voted by all the other lords? lmao
maybe dany ending could be good executing it properly but the rest is absolutely dogshit. Jaime's ending is dogshit, the hound ending is dog shit, arya ending is crap
>showgays get shocked when it was shit since season 5
Season 5? Black person, season 3 was the last watchable season, and that one was shaky at best.
The Dany ending is legit perfect. She really does get more insane as things go on and it really is only because of her advisors that she gets reigned in. If she lost her critical counsel as she did in the show, yeah, I could see her doing some dumb frick Targaryn shit. And it keeps with a returning theme among the would be claimants - those that are archetypes to a fault lose to the inflexibility of their archetype. Be that 'honest' Ned, 'everyone loves me, how could I lose' Renly, 'muh duty' Stannis, or 'I am the Dragon' yas Queen Targaryn.
But notes are notes, and execution is in the end everything.
well said
I just hate danytroons and i wish the targ/insullied would get genocided
The Danny ending is only "perfect" if viewed with so much distance and abstraction you need a telescope and a philosophy major you describe it to you by proxy.
As with just about every example on your list, we get these random, wild oscillations of character, incoherent scenes and lines, so that no matter what the end result is, we can say "see! Look at the pattern!!" but there wasn't a pattern, there was chaos, and any result would have lined up with a bunch of things by random chance. It makes everyone in the setting look both moronic and insane, and not in a realistic or interesting way, just like they're phantoms in the back of a schizophrenic's head.
Oh, I don't mean the execution is perfect, it's scholck. But the heel turn in and of itself is perfect.
The heel turn has no support in the show. In the books she's short-sighted, doesn't think things through, brute forces her way, and is shit at running things. You don't even need to bring anything in about hereditary madness or whatever, she's a violent idiot.
It's because the fat c**t has been wasting his time with prequels and extended lore books instead of focusing on the main series.
He could already be finished with Dream of Spring, unironically.
Instead we have some fluff.
he wrote himself into a corner and is afraid he can't top what he wrote before. and it's obvious he can't, seeing his latest creative output
Possibly
GRRM is known to struggle with writer's block
Kek
Speak for yourself homosexual
Dumb and Dumber may have ruined R+L=J but the fate of nearly everyone else is still up in the air, because the show fricked with their storylines so much
martin will be the first cyborg, watch. he's finishing ASOIAF AND Dunk and Egg
homie, does George "Rail Road" Martin look like he's not going to eat himself to death before he finishes the books?
>Are we ever getting a conclusion to the series, bros?
Series are actually good. 9000 times better than TV.
Fricking left on cliffhanger.
All that Arya character development but no putting her into action
Can we strangle that lazy fat frick?
Ally John Snow, AKA John Targaryen, AKA the Prince Who Was Promised post Resurrection, who will pull Northmen to the Stark name, particularly the Manderlys.
You can avoid having a conflict for now over who will be King, defeat the Boltons, and take the Neck. Maybe even reach out to the Iron Men and say "frick off from the North and focus on Old Town and the South and we can coordinate."
Also, maybe try to ally Asha long term by giving her brother back to her to have an inside track on creating friction in the Iron Islands later.
Obviously having Mance as an ally gives you bodies, giants, and mammoths too. You make your men accept it by pointing to the Walkers and the miracle of John Snows resurrection. You wear the Black until death and Jon died so he is not an oathbreaker.
Second, as soon as Sansa reappears work on getting a marriage alliance with her by annulling your current marriage since your wife is baren and you have no hier.
Wait to make your move on Jon or settle for being King's Hand and have your daughter marry Jon when she comes of age and have a grandson destined for the Iron Throne.
Kings Hand is his best bet. Danny has dragons and a large army. But she will never bear children, making Jon hier. Jon can marry his daughter and he can be King's Hand. This is the ideal ending.
Just focus on keeping the North as an independent kingdom for now and then gang bang the South later with Danny and Dorne in exchange for temporary Dornish independence.
You can even ally the Greyjoys and the when Heuron inevitably fricks up by raiding and breaking the peace kill him.
Only problem is that, in the books, Heuron has that magical horn that lets him take control of dragons and is sailing to Danny, not to frick Cersi and build a gay ballista.
But then again, Victarion is obviously going to kill his brother with his demon fire arm, so I wouldn't worry about him.
I might be getting the names mixed up on the Grey Joys, I last read Dance when it came out.
Did the show even have Victarion? I seem to recall them cutting one of the best characters.
don't frick the witch. simple as that. melisandre is 100% responsible for all the misfortunes that fell on him and the reason why he went full psycho. should've listened to the onion knight and burn her at the stake
>2013
>Get Barristan the Bold POV for the Siege of Mereen
>Stannis meets Asha chapter
>Jon is dead
>Danny in the Steppe surrounded by Dothtraki
>Tyrion and Jorah finally made it to Mereen
>Dornish uprising
>Jamie just decided to betray Cerise unlike the show
>Victarion at Mereen with magical demon hand and magical horn
>Brienne in a noose
>Lady Stoneheart, Catelyn's evil resurrected corpse that went bad running the Riverlands resistance (also cut in the show)
>Arrya blind
>Sam knows Jon is a Targaryen
>Bran chapters finally worth reading.
>Cersi just chastised and publicly shamed and insane hording wild fire
A decade later, nothing but the terrible show to follow up. Cersi blowing up the High garden crew was the good part after the source material
Also
>Rickon on the cannibal island and Davos going to find him
>Lord Manderly secretly killing Freys and Boltons and feeding them to their family members while also eating double portions of human meat
>Seems good because the Boltons are bad but there is strong foreshadowing in a story about another guy who began eating his enemies out of vergence lust the last time the Walkers came turning into a demon.
Maybe Demon Manderly and Lady Stoneheart can beat the Walkers by being more evil, that'd be a better twist than the show.
>Rickon on the cannibal island and Davos going to find him
This will definitely happen off page.
Honestly Incredible how badly they fricked up the Dornish plotline in the show, would have been better off just not including it at all if they weren't going to do the Aegon story either.
It would be nice if evil just crushed everything and caused a reset. But GRrm is too much of a fat homosexual to have evil actually make everything great
Evil cannot create, only corrupt.
I am still mad about Jon XIII
I have accepted I am going to need to wait for the Fat man to die before I get any resolution to this.
>Sandor "The Hound" Clegane at a monastery of the Seven
> Cersei demanding trial by combat
> But who will represent the faith????
BAW THE SEVEN, THAT'S THE GRAVE DIGGER'S MUSIC!!
Why didn't Stannis just use stealth F-35 to SEAD Bolton air defense, then use airpower to bomb the Bolton troop concentration inside Winterfell into submission?
I don't read garbage.
Ally the the Inchori and Golgotterath and use techne and Consult Gnostics sorcery to destroy the Walkers and others. Danny has all of three small Rakcu.
That or throw your dice in with Our Mostly Holy Aspect Emperor and Warrior Prophet, but then you get subject to Dûnyain mind rape. Given his relationship with the witch though he would just become another pawn of Yatwer and die like the other White Luck Warriors.
In a lot of ways I think Bakker is better than GRRM, although he definitely starts even slower and has more slow parts, but his factions are all so fricking unlikeable. GRRM gives you people to root for. Bakker gives you an incredibly bleak conflict where the only partly likeable characters have no power and continually get fricked.
I wouldn't
One battery of m109 paladins and mechanized infantry
By not having undercut my claim to the throne by importing a human sacrifice religion from another continent, or perhaps just by acknowledging the King in the North until I had conquered the entire south.
Knock off the smaller Bolton Bannermen lands. Consolidate.
Use the fleet to bring the Free FoIk down south as allies.
Chip away at the North from the North.
Instead, he ignored all the minor players and went straight for Winterfell in the worst weather with a smaller force and staved.
Some War commander/ strategist.
He could be a Russian General Staff poke with a dumb move like that.
>Instead, he ignored all the minor players and went straight for Winterfell in the worst weather with a smaller force and staved.
He took a slight detour and recruited some wilderness clans and then hooked up with the Stark loyalists outside Winterfell, he doesn't have the luxury of doing a thorough campaign during winter with no logistical base.
No shit, Sherlock. Which is why he should have seized those minor league houses’ lands and sets to do EXACTLY that.
This was a Kiev-style Zerg Rush with no MSR or Logistics Train a few years BEFORE the ACTUAL Kiev Zerg Rush with no MSR and No Log Train.
Like I said…Stannis could be a fricking Russian General Staff war planner.
Also, where did his fleet go? Was it a rental? Did he have to return it or lose his deposit?
Why the frick did he have his hireling army just WALK to Winterfell in winter?
Does nobody understand that the point of naval warfare is MOBILITY and the point of amphibious warfare is choose the time and place to invade your enemy’s space?
He could have sailed up and down the eastern coast and chose where to land his forces o conduct raids to draw the Boltons’ main force out.
What a Black person he turned out to be.
>t. didn't read books
the fleet literally was a rental, they were mercs who left after it became clear they weren't getting paid. stannis in the books spends time amassing allies before marching on winterfell because he isn't a fricking moron like in the show
Nope didn’t read his fricking books. Majiks and Dragons and Knights and shit are all Tolkien wannabes.
And none of them will ever compare.
The only good thing on that show was that all the Stronk Whamens mostly get killed or frick off to the very end of the world, the savages get Buck-broken, and all the Black folks that did most of the dying all got on the ships and went back to Africa.
This leaves all the Honkie heterosexuals in charge acting for the cripple who just sits in his chair and dicks around with his Mental X-Box all day long for years on end.
Couldn’t have ended better.
Season 5 is non cannon you showgay subhuman cuck
This
Its unbelievable how showgays are so moronic
What the FRICK should I care if it’s canon or not?
Do you think I’m a fricking adenoidal incel addicted to Mountain Dew and masturbation like you are?
Jesus Wept! Frick Martin and his feeble dick fantasy books. Frick the show written by those two enthusiastic homosexuals.
This was light entertainment for me, not the fricking Gospel that I model my life on, my lad.
Go outside, Touch grass. Drive a fast car. Frick a REAL girl, (not one with a penis).
Perspective, youngster…PERSPECTIVE.
have a nice day subhuman cuck
Season 5 is fanfiction
>This was light entertainment for me, not the fricking Gospel that I model my life on, my lad.
why are you posting in a thread about it then
The question was about a matter of strategy.
Do you remember the OPs original question, or do you think that was an opportunity to show your Officially Licensed Valyrian Steel butt plug to all your envious little friends?
>He could have sailed up and down the eastern coast full of pirates in fricking winter with no fleet
Well, he walked to Winterfell in deep snow…and how did THAT work out for him?
He gets his ass handed to him on a plate and gets his coconut chopped off by Super Butch Totally Non-Lesbian, (who nevertheless swears herself to be the Ginger Cum-dumpster Bolton Frick-Thing’s personal slave for life).
Let’s be TOTALLY realistic here. Half of that army would be dead from scurvy, and the rest from some nasty homosexual butt-fricking venereal disease from the Arctic.
read the books, everybody already knows the show is moronic
I tried reading “Sir Duncan and The Egg”.
It was a ho-hum adventure yarn dressed in the chain mail of Westeros power politics and all the other sword-waving homosexualry.
Look, Martin’s schlock will never be a Tolkien or an Asimov or A Frank Herbert’s Dune series.
Hell, there’s the Card’s Ender’s Game Trilogy that got stump-broke by the movie.
Then the Trigon Disunity by Michael Kube-McDowell.
This genre just doesn’t do much for me.
>This genre just doesn’t do much for me.
>says man essayposting in a thread about said genre
baffling behavior but ok
Writes
Like
This
>opinion safely ignored
>This was a Kiev-style Zerg Rush with no MSR or Logistics Train a few years BEFORE the ACTUAL Kiev Zerg Rush with no MSR and No Log Train.
To be fair, Germany tried the same thing at Moscow in 1941 and it had ended in a similarly spectacular failure. D&D weren't exactly being visionary here.
Stop watching a bad TV adaption you stupid fricking monkey
Shut the frick up, stop typing, start reading
What? Why? To become as pathetic as you?
No thanks, anoncel.
I like to have sex...with women.
I think there's a coupon over on /misc/ where you get 10% off a Daenerys rubber sex doll,(assuming you haven't already got one).
Go nuts, you sad freak.
>He could be a Russian General Staff poke with a dumb move like that.
Or German General Staff lol
take? I would just blow it up with wild fire
I would have simply helped Renly take King's landing and enjoyed the post war as the protector of the Reach.
Frick that homosexual renly
Stannis was the righful king
It should have been renly that would have followed his brother
Renly had the men, Stannis was politically inept and relied on blood magic and treachery.
I would hire Darkstar
It seems likely that Stannis will take Winterfell but what the frick can he do after? Winter is rapidly approaching and he is stuck in the most remote kingdom in all the 7 kingdoms. His entire army is exhausted with little supplies, heavy casualties and little hope for reinforcements anytime soon. He probably won't make any more gains for his claim on the throne and will likely die fighting the Others. Truly the king that cared, far too based for the degenerate Westerosi lords and their petty power struggles for wealth.
If Stannis can take Winterfell and defeat the Boltons and Freys, Manderly and Umber at least will assist him, if not all the Northern lords in fact. Manderly has tons of supplies and there will be time and space to consolidate, maybe get reinforcements from the Iron Bank. Winterfell is a strategic location and rallying point especially in winter.
>Every stool was looser than the one before
I just want a delirious Danerys to rise from the reeds and exclaim to an uncaring sky above "I am the lizard queen!"
Danerys' turn towards cruel violence is fine as an overarching story arc and it's certainly believable that this is what GRRM intended, it's just not played off convincingly in the show.
There is little effort to characterise Dany this way and even much earlier moments from the books that are supposed to be fairly morally contemptible are simply played off as 'yaas queen' moments.
This is a big problem in shows, especially for mass audience, where characters that the audience are supposed to be invested in aren't allowed to be deeply flawed.
I think this is a problem in the adaptation of TLOU as well where the show shies away from depicting the level of brutality that Joel is comfortable committing.
There is a fear of an audience that won't remain interested in a potentially ethically dubious character.
Send 21 good men
>The split goes back way farther than Aegon's conquest, as detailed in Old Nan Tales Vol. III. The split comes from House Goodmen's ancestral belief that good men, godly men, would be the saviors of the realm. Fairly early in their history, however, their cadet branch which had taken up residence at a castle called the "Goodkeep," northwest of the Dreadfort, came to believe that the Prophecy of the Goodmen actually referred only to one man, the Goodman, and not multiple good men - though some say that the Goodmens of the Goodfort were the cadet branch and the Goodmans were the original. The feud grew and grew for a thousand years, and the two branches of House Goodmen grew farther apart and more bitter towards each other. It finally culminated in the splitting of the house during Aegon's conquest, when Lord Goodmen bent the knee to Aegon. The Lord of the Goodkeep would not abide, and declared that his house was foreverafter separate from House Goodmen. Thus, House Goodman was founded, and not a fortnight later the forces of the Goodkeep and the Goodfort met and did battle beneath the snowy boughs of the Goodwood. It was said that the Goodstream ran red that day, the spilt goodblood of thousands of Goodmen and Goodman bannermen flowing out into the Shivering Sea. It is said that Lord Goodmen and Lord Goodman perished on each other's swords, cursing their foes' families for generations afterwards with their dying breaths.
>/k/ has better discussions on GoT than PrepHole
huh
Such a stupid moment.
/tg/ had better
PrepHole is for cooming over actresses
what an ass
it's only a million words, he's just jobbing it
>/k/ has better discussions on GoT than PrepHole
Thats because the GoT threads on PrepHole are like Halo threads on PrepHole. They are filled with Turbo spergs who think its the best thing ever or hyper contrarians who's idea of GoT is Burlington Bar reaction videos.
There is too much gays/pedos on Got threads
Half of the posts on GoT threads in PrepHole are from pedos.
>pledging loyalty as the ture heir to the throne to some usurping gay who clearly intends to kill you.
Put three-ships of B-52s over in range with a fighter CAP in case those flying lizards visit.
Since there is no LOAC I can use nukes and nerve agents.
Crush the Freys and have the Manderly's open the gates for me while the garrison is unaware/convinced I was defeated.
>Lord Pea Pod. If you were a man, I would kill you for that, but my sword is made of too fine a steel to besmirch with craven's blood. Aye, men are dying. More will die before we see Winterfell. What of it? This is war. Men die in war. That is as it should be. As it has always been.
>I want to live forever in a land where summer lasts a thousand years. I want a castle in the clouds where I can look down over the world. I want to be six-and-twenty again. When I was six-and-twenty I could fight all day and frick all night. What men want does not matter. Winter is almost upon us, boy. And winter is death.
>I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks. No one sings songs of men who die like that. As for me, I am old. This will be my last winter. Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die. I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull. I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue.
You are not wrong. Stannis is basically a Putin, none of his underlings are likable or sufferable except for davos. None of them competent to follow his vision either. People like him because he has conviction and an insane sense of duty and what is right but his army and his servants suck balls and he converted to some crazy god.
>stannis is basically a Putin
moronic redditor tourist ASOIAFlet
Stannis held storms'end for a year whitout any supply
He crushed the Greyjoy fleet during the Greyjoy rebellion
He was going to win at KL if tywin didnt intervene
He is always leading his troops in person even if everything goes wrong
He is nothing like putin you idiot homosexual
I know he held storms end cause he won't stop b***hing about it or his brothers
I mean imagine eating leather and rats and still fighting
>Bastard
>Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red prostitute. Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King Beyond the Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me. I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six prostitutes who came with him to Winterfell. I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it. Ramsay Bolton, Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.
Still waiting to find out who wrote this
Mance rayder
It would be pure fricking kino if actually were Ramsey, don't even try to cope and say otherwise.
Kill the priestess, stop burning people and issue all my troops with winter clothing and food. Maybe attack in summer, as impersonating napoleons advance on Moscow is not a winning strategy.
Realise I am a key character in one that fat fricks shit stories and so am doomed to fail at whatever I do before dying horribly. I would disband the army and buy a villa in Dorn instead and enjoy myeslf before my inevitable murder/rape/burning.
Still shit.
Like your character.
If I was Stannis I would have swallowed my pride, supported Renly and hung every Lannister before fearmongering about Targaryens and white walkers. Stannis is a cool character but he's also a complete dumbass with complete dumbass goals.
It should be renly that swallow his pride and follow stannis
If I was Renly that's what I'd do, but I'm not in this scenario, I'm Stannis.
I would convince him and integrate him in my army instead of killing him
If i can kill someone with a demon, i can surely brainwash him
>If i can kill someone with a demon, i can surely brainwash him
How the frick does that follow?
melly sanders could pull some magic shit, just like she did with the king blood leeches
so it doesn't follow at all and you're just making shit up
he won in the book
luring them into a lake or something
the show was a complete shit show
This is what Stannis Baratheon's armor is based on. How effective is this armor?
Works fine, but it's essentially just fancy chain mail. Might be a tiny bit lighter than chain, but it protects against everything just as good as it, but not any better. Same strength against slashes, decent against thrusts/arrows and weakness to blunt force. My favorite part is actually the shoulders, where you're unlikely to catch a thrust, the sewn in plates could really help against a blow.
That said it looks great and that's important. Saves you the weight of having some gay ass tabard
One stab into the gut and its ogre
>Catapult dead cows and horses, preferably with some form of plague, into winter fell.
>Let nature take its course
It's that easy
>well fed garrison with an entire civilian support structure taking hot baths and drinking spring water and beer every day
vs
>your own freezing, starving army that's already resorting to cannibalism and whose medical science amounts to "burn anyone who gets sick"
Yeah nature will take its course alright.
Sir, they are currently freezing and starving to death, they cannot wait for diseases.
Why is a literal PrepHole thread in /k/?
The same reason PrepHole and PrepHole threads show up all the time on /k/. At least be happy OP made the attempt to obfuscate his thread with a /k/ related opening post.
PrepHole a shit
Have decent writers that don’t make you a blithering idiot
>uhhh yeah after Winds then more uhh Dunk and Egg then UHH Fire and Blood 2 and maybe Dream later hehe
Ally with all northerners/stark followers/wildlings
Lure ramsey in a trap then frick him up, then take the castle with ease
Make Jon the lord of winterfell, Rally all the north behind me to avenge the starks and kill Cersei
Prepare for dany coming, frick up her army and prepare for her dragon then take her as a sex slave
Then become king
How would /k/ take a shithole island covered in crabs?
How hard is it to support friendly ships with a goddamn fricking dragon? Is Daemon meant to be completely fricking incompetent or is it just the moronic BLM homosexual millennial writers? Since he ends up trying to solo it while dodging arrows on foot, I'm guessing the latter
All you have to do is strafe the archers then burn the fricking morons on the surface then have your army start taking the island and deny access to the surface, I don't get how this island is supposed to be a threat after applying a basic level of thought
I heard this was a good show, but I am yet again absolutely fricking seething and disappointed
Probably showhomosexualry
no doubt
If you were that worried about archers couldn't dragons just drop burning shit from way outside bow range?
Frick, just get a huge bag of rocks and blast them before you drop them, that dragon fire is so hot they'd probably still be red hot when they hit the ground.
They don't even seem to damage the dragons, just the rider
There is a scene where he lands in the middle of the clearing and burns some guys, then within a few minutes archers somehow come out of the surroundings and rain down arrows, guy gets slightly injured and flys away instead of coming back at an angle to burn the archers
BS
>just get a huge bag of rocks
we tried that in WW1 with flechettes
the chances of hitting a man are infinitesimal
far far better to throw incendiary bombs ie wildfire pots
We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless, and by then infantry was 100 times as spread out as in medieval battles.
Also, dropping heated rocks or burning wood would set structures ablaze, slingers did this during sieges and naval battles already. Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold?
>comparing any character to putin
Thats how redditoids work
Especially that stannis is the antithesis of putin
For Daenerys, the comparison is actually quite fitting.
>impulsive
>neurotic
>mentally unstable
>messiah complex
>incapable of understanding what actually caused her dynasty's downfall and goes about repeating the same mistakes, sometimes on a larger scale
Also use an army of eunuch/raped men and steppeBlack folk
So if GRRM die, what would happen ?
By reading a better series. (LOTR)
Both are good but they are different
ASOIAF is more "sandbox", it feels like reading history of an fantasy universe while LOTR is like a long awesome adventure/journey
BaratheonChads
How do we defeat dany the prostitute and her flying abominations
The mannis has a plan for this right ?
>How do we defeat dany the prostitute and her flying abominations
It's easy, wait for her to be moronic or for you to develop hypersonic Ballista and teleporting boats.
>develop hypersonic Ballista and teleporting boats.
It did BTFO Dragons in the books/lore,
Dornians used Scorpions to kill Meraxes, who was 10 times more strong, big and resistant than Dany Dragons, or during the dance, a mercenary fleet managed to take down a dragon too
Also Stannis will have the North with him and it is said that stark made weirwood arrows can kill dragons (the same way dragonglass kill wights/others, you know ice magic VS fire magic)
The brother of Torrhen stark intented to defeat the dragons like this if they were going at war with the targs (or just infiltrate targ camp and slice their throat at night)
What is it with fantasy settings and exaggerating the power of scorpions/ballistae by a factor of a thousand? Most on screen fantasy scorpions are more powerful than fricking bombard cannons.
>weirwood arrows
unproven wunderwaffen
>Dornians used Scorpions to kill Meraxes
hundreds of them
>Half of the posts on GoT threads in PrepHole are from pedos
how? why? GOT threads on other boards are comfy
Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes who was one of
>unproven
It was never used so may never know and given the Ice VS Fire magic thing in ASOIAF, im sure that it can kill dragons
Like Dragonglass is a magical fire weapon that can kill wights/others and they ice magical creatures
This for both opinions
Started flooding threads during House of the Dragon and would not leave, they were obsessed over a bastard child that became dragon food in the last episode. Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
>Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
it didn't in fact they started tripgayging now. Even /got/ bran fujo's weren't this bad. I keep reporting them for avatargayging and spam but janny literally doesn't do shit.
They constantly talking about how the actors are cute
PrepHole is coomer central, TBF
>bastard child that became dragon food
is that the ugly girl?
but she's old by then right, if I remember my Dance of Dragons correctly
>where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a Black person, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall
yeah but that was fun tho
>You couldn't do that with a fricking naval gun from the 1800s
you can
naval guns were effective at one mile, deadly at a half mile, and at musket range would punch holes in two feet of hardened oak
rational
depends what kind of scorpion
the one that Bronn wielded was pretty damned big to be fair
>you can
>naval guns were effective at one mile, deadly at a half mile, and at musket range would punch holes in two feet of hardened oak
You couldn't specifically fire a projectile that distance, pick up two hundred pounds of extra weight, then continue on a significant distance. leaving aside the fact that the man should have been blown apart, moving an object of that weight a significant distance with a ballistic impact is absurdly difficult. Inertial forces are orders of magnitude removed from energy output, bullets are way less effective at moving objects as they are at tunneling through them.
>You couldn't specifically fire a projectile that distance, pick up two hundred pounds of extra weight, then continue on a significant distance
yeah fair enough
I found the scene though, it's a grapnel hook that shoots him off the battlements, he doesn't get stuck against the wall, so... theoretically possible with a blunt enough projectile at the end of its force
Sp has far better taste in terms of cooming tbh
>bronn scorpion
And it was only regular bolts
Imagine if it was weirwood bolts
>Imagine if it was weirwood bolts
it would do nothing, and then the archer dies hilariously, like another Horn of Joralmao situation
It would do something
Otherwise GRRM wouldnt have mentioned it, especially if you think about the fire vs ice thing
And there is archers in ASOIAF that deal massive damage compared to regular archers due to the difference of their arrows wood
So why not weirwood ?
>Otherwise GRRM wouldnt have mentioned it
lmao dude this is the series most well-known for red herrings besides the gore, sex and betrayals
>due to the difference of their arrows wood
bow wood, anon, not arrow wood
>hypersonic Ballista
kek
>We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless
You mean we tried various ways of doing it to see if we could ever unfrick it, and we don't do it any more now, because FOR NOW we know it's suboptimal. Somewhere in the future someone might come up with, I dunno, a hypersonic delivery system, and then the question will come up again. But that doesn't mean flechettes are or were ever a good idea.
>Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold
Okay, then drop the traditional medieval combustibles, pitch jars. The point is that burning liquid splashes over a far greater surface area than a bloody rock.
>The point is that burning liquid splashes over a far greater surface area than a bloody rock.
Red hot stones are actually fantastically good at starting fires.
Why did slingers use heated stones instead of jars of pitch?
can't sling jars of pitch
also, trying to start fires with heated stones? yeah just ask any innawoods dude how "easy" that is
over time with enough ammo you can get a good fire on the field itself
but it's not a shit-hot antipersonnel round if that's what you're thinking
>It was never used so may never know
>im sure
uhuh yeah
>Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes
the question is one of efficiency; you can argue that a man dies to one bullet from a revolver, same as he does from a belt-fed machine gun; does that mean a pistol is as good a weapon of war as a belt-fed machine-gun?
HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
>also, trying to start fires with heated stones? yeah just ask any innawoods dude how "easy" that is
Do innawoods bushcrafters routinely have access to red hot stones before they've built a fire, dipshit?
>but it's not a shit-hot antipersonnel round if that's what you're thinking
Didn't this start with a discussion of a SIEGE?
>Didn't this start with a discussion of a SIEGE
yes, then it wandered in the direction of flechettes in WW1 and Vietnam, which sort of opened it up to use in the field, don't you think?
but okay let's go back to a siege - once again, you'd use combustibles like pitch jars and carcasses*, rather than (sigh) fricking rocks
>*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcass_(projectile)
>Do innawoods bushcrafters routinely have access to red hot stones before they've built a fire
gee let me think, do bushcrafters set rocks on fire, or set wood on fire, when they want to build a fire, shit for brains
all this fricking around because you read somewhere that slingers throw heated stones, so you refuse to use what everyone else did. you scratch your nose by reaching round your head too?
>gee let me think, do bushcrafters set rocks on fire, or set wood on fire, when they want to build a fire, shit for brains
hahahahaha this has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
>HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
Even the art director or whoever was like "yeah they can fire at targets miles and miles away".
It's like in Lord of the Rings the movie, where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a Black person, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall. You couldn't do that with a fricking naval gun from the 1800s.
The comparison is that if Meraxes got shot by a Scorpion
Then Dany Dragons would be sliced in half by a Scorpion
According to the Lore logic, when Bronn shot drogon during the fire battle, it should have killed him right on the spot
If I were Stannis I'd pledge loyalty to Renly and also not be a raging sperg turboautist. Also Davos would keep his fingers.
Gigacucked
Stannis is the rightful heir
Renly is a war virgin while stannis is a veteran commander and imagine if people discovered he was gay
Renly should have submitted to his brother and accept to be lord of storms'end
I thought Stannis was fairly weak, wasn’t he? I remember him being described as a solid, competent leader but lacking charisma. He had witch support but wasn’t really strong enough to win the war. As I recall the witch was backing him because she mistakenly believed him to be a prophesied chosen one lol.
He's an excellent military commander and would make a fine general, but his weakness has always been his lack of charisma and diplomacy.
Yeah, she kept sucking his essence to make shadow shits that kill specific individuals. That's the only way he actually accomplished anything in this rebellion.
It'll be interesting how Jon makes Longclaw into the chosen one master sword. My money is him killing Danny then dunking on the others.
He is the chosen one
For me, I'm glad the entire Targ dynasty is wiped out
>wipe out the only people who can ride dragons
>in a world with dragons
Targs are like nukes, if someone else has Targs and dragons you're fricked mate
Based on what we've seen, only Targs had the capability to actually control Dragons and there's only one living dragon left(to anyones knowledge)
At best you have a wild animal you can maybe once let loose on your enemy and hope that it doesn't fly back and frick you up
The point is that
>only Targs had the capability to actually control Dragons
and it's unwise as we have seen to bank on either dragon or Targ extinction
it's like, what if we believe we've managed to destroy all nuke tech, so because of that we dumpster all ICBM tech, on the assumption that surely nobody anywhere has managed to kept a nuclear-tipped ICBM hidden somewhere, SURELY...
>planned
(Over)planning is the death of writing.
Not only targs
It just a valyrian thing and also there is some magical objects like euron has that can control them too
As for your point
Just develop anti dragon weapons/tactics
This
Frick targatroons
Targs are notoriously very shit at war when they dont have dragons anymore
Aegon would have never even beaten the Durrondons whitout Dragons
GRRM let his mind think a lot before writing the evolution of the story
Thats why it takes so much times
But if you write from the beginning, it shouldnt take long
Not reading the thread, it's too long.
Has anyone suggested tunneling underneath to get inside the walls? Because that's exactly the galaxy brain move Stannis the Mannis would do.
>Has anyone suggested tunneling underneath to get inside the walls?
>tunneling
>in Winter
>while his army is starving to death
What is the best army in Westeros ?
Stormlands ?
Vale ?
Do we actually know anything about the Vale's army?
I think if you go by the starting strengths and what they manage to achieve, the Lannisters have the most impressive single force. Despite not being stated to be terribly strong, it consistently beats off forces stated to be some of the greatest in the seven kingdoms (the North and Riverlands, Stormlands and Reach) unless the crownlands have some gigachad forces of their own, the Westerlands constantly punch above their weight. Might just come down to superior leadership.
By the end of the latest book, I think the Vale and Dorne might be the top contenders just by virtue of being the only ones not battered by bloody wars.
>the only ones not battered by bloody wars
yet
The vale has the best cavalry and knights
They have the most martial culture of all of Westeros and even the ASOIAF world
Its where chilvary started in westeros
Not to mention they have top tier terrain for defense
Also they and Dorne are the only two realms who have largely stayed out of the War of Five Kings so they've suffered no depletion of troops in battle. Getting involved in the next book would let them put their thumbs on the scale quite freely
Reach is the largest army, as it's the largest realm by populus
Westerlands is probably the best equipped because of all the gold in the area. Plus under Tywin at least have excellent leaders.
The Vale has a deep cavalry tradition, and stupid strong defenses
The Stormlands have a long history of butting heads with their neighbours before the conquest, and Dorne for 200 years after, and there are are a bunch of lords called the Marcher lords to give you an idea of their martial prowess. Also the Baratheons are generally very lead-by-the-front sorts, not just Robert.
Iron Islands are a naval power and know it. The Reach and Westerlands aren't slouches in this field but I.I. are focused on it. Their land combat is more about raiding and pillaging than setpiece battles.
The Riverlands are the crossroads of the continent and have probably seen the most war, but while this may improve martial skill it also means they get ravaged a lot and may not have the raw resources or manpower compared to the others.
Dorne can run effective guerrilla campaigns but obviously this means letting the enemy into your territory.
The North are probably the hardiest soldiers, putting up with the toughest conditions. I know "hard times make hard men" is an historical meme but there's something to it in Westeros.
Hard times make hard men depend on the location
Some people get harder
Some just get buck broken
Yeah baratheons/durrondons/stormlanders are very hot headed/martial people
>"hard times make hard men" is an historical meme
It's bullshit in the cycles of history sort of way, but a culture that grows up around the constant threat of death and a region whose population is mostly the wilderness kind of rural tends to be able to levy more randos and have them turn out to be half decent soldiers.
Like i said it depends on the place/era
The dothrakis could have never managed to invade westeros on their own
GRRM is an historylet on this and he think all steppe people are the same
>but the mongols
First of all, dothrakis are nothing like mongols and even mongols/turks got defeated IRL by europeans
Keep in mind Westeros is way stronger than medieval europe and that mongols are way stronger than dothrakis
Also the tech level is too important
Westeros armies are like late medieval armies
The dothrakis are like bronze age steppe nomads
It would just be a fricking one sided massacre if it happens
>GRRM is an historylet
GRRM already pointed out that cities in Essos survive because Dothrakis can't into siege
So they cant even fricking siege too ?
So how the frick do they plan to invade westeros
The dothrakis have literally zero point wich they are superior to the westerosis and keep in mind they never faced westerosi armies in their lifetime
Even the fricking insullied eunuch beated them
>plan
Mein Khaleesi... there is no plan
Daenerys has been spun a lie all this while about Westeros eagerly welcoming back the Targs. She has enough problems trying to fricking get to a harbour, let alone ferry (what's left of) her troops to Westeros. Also, she doesn't have any Dothraki left other than her retinue. If Meereen had all gone well, she'd basically have expected to invade Westeros with mercenaries and Unsullied - the mercs at least might have SOME siegecraft, though I doubt it. And that's it.
It's not really a lie by the third book, the peasants would much rather have a targ because they associate it with stability as seen by Aryas pov chapters as she moves about. fAegon is set to make a huge mess for everyone around because he's presenting himself as a Targ which will cause the small folk to become restless while also having the Golden Company that still has alot of connections in the Reach that will undoubtedly cause huge headaches for the Tyrels after their vanguard is crushed by Jon Connington. But that's nothing to how everyone will go crazy about seeing Dany come back with three dragons to parade to the nobles. Too bad we'll never see a official book on how it all turns out and how Bran fricks everyone up
>It's not really a lie by the third book, the peasants would much rather have a targ because they associate it with stability
Yeah and everyone hates Bloodraven but I didn't see the peasants rise up for Bittersteel during the Third Blackfyre Rebellion.
>rise up for Bittersteel
>for Biittersteel
>bitter
Anon you do realize people hated bittersteel just as much? He had no taste for politics and thus had no allies. Plus the like the second rebellion, the third was an attack on peace itself to the small folk who saw the union of Dorne and the Iron Throne as part of a golden age and is no way comparable to what fAegon or Dany would be getting when landing in the middle of a multi stage civil war that has brought alot of bad blood due to the Lannisters setting the Riverlands to the torch and the raiding by Euron against the Reach while the North is in upheaval, not even in the same ball park anon. And even before all this, we know Doran had been plotting to have Viserys be supported by Dorne in the right moment so its not like there was zero support even before everything hit the fan
It's just wierd in the show how she basically had a continent sized empire with no possible challengers and she pissed it all away for the chance at a smaller continent sized empire she'd have to mostly destroy to control.
It makes little sense in the show but in the books it looks like she's gonna go on a slave liberation blood bath across Volantis up to Pentos. In the show she just led a super minority government controlled by foreign sell swords with neighbors that hate them, with if we assume that the fleet attacking Slavers bay included what it was in the books, you still have Tolos and Elyria unharmed who are both slaver cities ready to swoop in the vacuum
Actually it was Mantarys and Elyria that are unharmed, Tolos was part of invasion of Mereen. But Mantarys does behead her envoys so yeah they hate her too lol
Also the numbers
Westeros can raise like a 300 K army
The dothraki horde is 20k-40k
The Dothraki have no IRL counterpart we can really look at, George based them on cultures he had no understanding of and left it the shallow war mongerer group they are today. Basically anything in Essos doesnt make sense on even a cursory glance and it'll only give you headache if you try to see how anything makes sense there, like where do the millions of slaves come from? The free cities and Slavers bay deal in producing trained slaves but the Dothraki must be getting the fresh ones somewhere, but as we saw with Tyrions pov while traveling from Pentos to Volantis, there's no towns between Pentos and Volon Therys which makes no sense on its own but even less so with how the dothraki manage to make the slaves spawn from this wasteland
They based on random medieval steppe Black folk + gypsies + numidians
But in reality even the numidians would probably crush the dothrakis
>Slavers still haven't taken Mereen
It's been twelve years guys
>its been 12 years from George telling us Winds was totally 80% finished already
Im ngmi goys, i’m already demoralized
Beneath the gold, the bitter steel!
Sneak in and kill Ramsay
I wish Pratchett were around, I'd love a Discworld send-up of this bullshit
>Vimes sat in his office, reading the clacker dispatch Carrot had just given him.
>"So they're in a civil war..."
>"Yes sir."
>"Because the Queen's children aren't the King's."
>"Seems so, sir."
>"Do we know whose children they are?"
>"...her brother, sir."
>Commander Vimes blinked. "...takes all sorts. Oh and they've angered a noble family or three who are trying to break away."
>"Yes, sir."
>"And they're ignoring the reports of claimants to the throne getting ready to invade, or the growing threat from the North."
>"Appears so, sir."
>"Typical. So busy looking for the damn chair to sit on they forget why they bother. And is it just me, or are they all..."
>"All what, sir?"
>"Dour. Nobody's laughing maniacally at their plotting, they're all bloody miserable."
>Carrot shrugged. "They take it seriously, sir."
>"Too seriously."
Tactical nuke followed by CBRN equipped troops.
I'd have just gone to the pub, had a nice pint, and wait for the whole thing to just blow over.
I don't watch stupid tv shows or read stupid books.