Now that the southern summer offensive has been announced, which bridge should Ukraine blow up to best assist the liberation of Kherson?
Should both bridges be left intact to enable future advances over the Dniepr? Should the northern bridge be blown up to create a pocket along the Dniepr? Should both bridges be blown up to trap Russian troops on the west side?
Mights as well. Cuts off russian reinforcement capabilities, and if it comes to russian retreat, they will blow up the bridges on their way back anyway
Russia has no reinforcements.
Blowing those bridges will only delay(and kill the momentum) of the offensive.
None. You want those bridges intact to give the enemy an escape route.
Both will be blown by the russians as they, eventually, withdraw. If nothing else they have shown that they are very good at destroying infrastructure.
Why do you want the enemy to escape? I could understand that if they were some hardcore elite frickers that would fight to the death you might not want to deal with them in an urban slog, but the Russians around Kherson are their C-listers and donbabwe volkssturm. Cut them off and they'll surrender, probably.
The Russians, if they even get pushed back, are going to destroy the bridges anyway. However, the best case scenario is having them left intact, because coming to a river without and good way to get armored vehicles across will hold up your offensive and give the enemy time to reinforce.
Because we aren't blood thirsty uisraelites.. We would rather the enemy flee than get a bunch of civilians killed. The uisraelites... Not so much..
So rest assured, all avenues of retreat will be cut off and a bunch of uisraelites are gonna die. Russians too. But cmon
Anon, understand that the conspripts there are fed lies about how they'll be executed by Ukrainians if they surrender, along with threats against their butt virginity, and summary executions for cowardice. It doesn't matter that they're moronic, inbred Russians, a city occupied by demoralized conscripts is still a defensible city, and they'd inflict a lot of unnecessary casualties with the side effect of destroying kherson's remaining infrastructure. Better to freely take the city and continue obliterating the invaders with artillery in the fields that can be turned back over.
>russian conscripts
>butt virginity
>lies
As if we haven't seen the videos.
>lies
Like the Ukrainian military doctor who admitted to castrating Russian POWs on live Ukrainian TV?
>Like the Ukrainian military doctor who admitted to castrating Russian POWs on live Ukrainian TV?
Sauce or it didn't happen.
But if it did, they deserved it.
>Why do you want the enemy to escape?
Because you want to take the city as intact as possible.
You always leave your opponent an avenue of escape. That way you prevent that they keep fighting out of desperation, a route is preferable to a last stand
This, if you leave an enemt a plausible escape route,
>you know and can choose where they’re going
>you avoid brutal last stand sieges
>you can ambush the route if you want to
Eliminating all escape routes is a recipe for Stalingrads
Because even a rat is extremely dangerous when cornered. Escape route means they'll rout through a bottleneck instead of focusing remaining forces on the defensive, which means you can easily reclaim ground instead of bashing your head against a brick wall. Not to mention, these troops are still demoralised, underequipped and in need of medical care, which puts more strain on enemy logistics and will weaken the second line of defense. And lastly, depending where that escape route is, you can control the amount of enemy concentration in the new front, which lets you more easily break it with existing troop momentum. Good example would be Operation Storm at the culmination of the Yugoslav wars, where the initial rout of Serbs broke down the defensive lines which cascaded through entire Bosnia.
>intact to give the enemy an escape route.
Enemy can escape using amphibian vehicles and boats. Yes it's more difficult and it would hit moral more. Run away early because latter when defenses collapsing you may not get the boat.
Blow it up.
The east one is a dam, not a bridge.
Thank you for the correction. This is actually a very important point, as this dam feeds the Crimean canal. Russia probably very badly wants to avoid blowing this dam up as it would kill Crimeas freshwater supply.
>this dam feeds the Crimean canal.
it also feeds the irrigation system for all the farms in the area. ukraine needs it just as badly as crimea.
Then no one will attack it and Ukraine doesn't have to worry about it.
yes, that was my fricking point
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The railway and highway are bridges that basically run adjacent to the structure. Still probably not worth the risk. Nonetheless, there's a smaller bridge here (white arrow) traversing the sluice that could be blown up by either side. Note this is only a few hundred meters away from that absolutely colossal explosion earlier today (white circle). It's very possible that damage to the highway and railway from that means the bridge is effectively severed in the near term.
*extremely* adjacent. I don't think I'd trust even NATO weapons to take out the bridge, that 5m CEP isn't good enough.
pic related, it's streetview looking east down the nova khakovka bridge.
You're at the wrong spot
If they're not going to retreat, blow both bridges. Although I don't think were at that stage quite yet.
You really and blow only one of them, blow the Nova Kahonka one up and you'll just end up reenacting the Yellow river flooding of 1938.
the northern bridge is a big ass dam and destroying would flood kherson city
See
>the northern bridge is a big ass dam and destroying would flood kherson city
Don't give these chaotic evil orks any ideas.
Both.
It's pretty soon simple with bridges. If you have birdge in enemy control zone and can do it blow it up. If it suits him he would blow this bridge himself but if he didn't than he needs that bridge. So blow it up.
I'd ask the glowing fellows to keep an eye on the traffic over the bridges. If it seemed like russia plans on reinforcing the city instead of withdrawing, I'd plan an bridge blowing ambush so that I could cause as much damage on russians as possible.
If ruskies seem to be withdrawing or the situation remains unchanged then I'd just keep blowing up vatnik storages in Kherson and slowly increasing the pressute to see what cracks.
One of those bridges is also a Dam. Not sure you want to blow that up bruv.
I'd be very worried about the Russians blowing the dam if we were pushing Kherson and do everything possible to secure it.
Even giving the Russians an escape route, HIMARS will blast a lot of fleeing Russians.
What southern offensive? They moved their reserves from Mikolaev to Siversk. 111th and 112th battalions were transfered there.
>What southern offensive?
The one on Twitter.
Destroy the southern one so they’ll have to extend their land routes for logistics, straining them. Then push from the north and capture the road.
Blow southern bridge
Rush to Kahovka dam from the Inhulets bridgehead
Use the Krivoy Rog forces to tie the Russians there to prevent them moving south
You blow up the bridge near Kherson and leave the dam in kahovka. Now that all the traffic goes there, you hit it with airburst shells to stop the resupply
No, rather have then on DFs and under surveillance so in the event of enemy reinforcements arriving simply vapourise them
kind of hard to fight with only bush made bows and arrows cause the ukraine king sold everything to the black market
>no crossbow in pic
>tank shot in pic
No guns?
Of all the shit that never happened I'm pretty sure this never happened the most
Here how i would blow up a Bridge in a similar situation.
1) get some of those old 1ton round sea mines that Ukraine has a few warehouses full of.
2) tie them 3 each together with a 2m to 3m rope for each segment, remove impact detonator and replace them with a remote controlled detonator like some phone IED, you can stick inside of them phone with gps and "find my phone" to see when they reach the bridge.
3) dump them upriver in the Ukrainian controlled area, dozens of sets of 3 mines. They will naturally float downstream and stay just underwater by design. Because they are rope tied in sets of 3 by 3 mines at least a few will likely get tangled around the bridge piers and be in the perfect position to blow it up.
Failing that you can remote detonate them as they pass the bridge, 3tonnes of high explosives each set will smash the bridge piers even if they aren't exactly touching it. Those explosions are enormous, enough to destroy a large ship.
Works also if there is a dam to blow up obviously.
>tie them 3 each together with a 2m to 3m rope for each segment
>They will naturally float downstream and stay just underwater by design.
anon, they will deposit on the bank on the first bend
Hoholshill IQ and all.
I like explosions so yeah blow that shit up
Probably just continue what they’re doing now. Localized counteroffensives that are slowly pushing into the Kherson suburbs combined with HIMARS strikes into depth to degrade depots and C3I. Russian social media has already confirmed multiple deaths of O5+ RAF officers, so it’s effective.
There’s no reason to exhaust your forces in a more wide scale mechanized operational offensive. Leave the bridges intact and force the Russians into a situation of either a logistics bottleneck by being unable to supply their forces or pulling back across the Dniper. Zaporizhzhia is where the UA should actually concentrate mass for an operational counter offensive in a few months time when they have more trained quality mechanized BDEs and NATO systems.
This. Ukraine will probably have 50+ Himars and 300+ western artillery systems in 3-4 months. They're in no rush to get killed for no reason. All they have to do is keep bombing supply, command and ammo concentrations, 3-4 at a time every night. Momentum will do it's own thing over time. Keep it up for 21+ days and will be a nightly occurrence will vatniks going to "sleep" scarred shitless that it will be their last.
Besides this is what NATO/US wants anyway, slowly killing Russia so they don't quite the war right away and do something drastic. You never know with monkeyman
The Ukrainians will probably blow the bridges then starve the Russians left on their side in a siege.
There is a rail bridge east of Kherson and west of nova. I’d definitely blow that one up first.