>The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes. >The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.
The Russians have been gay long before the US or NAFO even existed.
There's a reason they hate gays so much, and it's because they are gay.
In the US only 1 in 5 of those that hate gays are secretly gay, but in Russia its probably more like 1 in 2.
Russians are the most homosexual race known to man, and if you don't believe me look at their AIDS rates. Nothing would change.
Does that mean we already dropped a gay bomb on them and just got away with it?
>wikipedia
According to them everyone is gay all the time.
Russia was always pretty gay. >Despite the wishes of Nicholas I, homosexuality obviously could not be legislated out of existence. Being a natural variant of human sexual relations, it could be repressed but not removed from society. It thus remained a half-hidden phenomenon, with several places where it could find expression. Among these were the public bath-houses, where male prostitution was common. The irony of the situation was that many men belonging to the upper and middle classes were homosexual or bisexual. Some would marry and live an apparently ‘normal’ family life but seek same-sex love in places like the public bath-houses.
>One of the most prominent examples was Grand Duke Konstantin, grandson of emperor Nicholas I and uncle of Nicholas II, whose homosexuality was revealed in 1994, nearly 80 years after his death in 1915, when his candid diaries were published. Konstantin recalls in detail the internal turmoil he felt as he struggled to ignore his urges, especially when it came to attending public bathhouses, many of which were known centres of male prostitution.
>“They, especially the great boyars and nobles, engage in more debauchery, sodomy, men with men, and not even secretly but often in front of many people, considering it an honor and doing it without reserve and publicly.” (Translated from the Russian translation of Petreius’ work.) >In 1551, the Italian historian Paolo Giovio published a series of books in which he described the mores of the Muscovy during the time of Tsar Vasily III, citing Russian ambassadors and merchants: >«In the manner of the Greeks, Muscovite customs permit to love young men, for the noblest of them and all the ranks of chivalry are in the habit of accepting the children of honorable citizens in their service and instructing them in the art of war.”
>Medieval Russia was apparently very tolerant of homosexuality. There is evidence of homosexual love in some of the lives of the saints from Kievan Rus dating to the 11th century. Homosexual acts were treated as a sin by the Orthodox Church, but there were no legal sanctions against them at the time, and even churchmen seemed perturbed by homosexuality only in the monasteries. Foriegn visitors to Muscovite Russia in the 16th and 17th centuries repeatedly express their amazement at the open displays of homosexual affection among men of every class. Sigismund von Heberstein, Adam Olearius, Juraj Krizhanich, and George Turberville all write about the prevalence of homosexuality in Russia in their travel and memoir literature. The 19th century historian Sergei Soloviev writes that "nowhere, either in the Orient or in the West, was this vile, unnatural sin taken as lightly as in Russia."
>Iryna Stogniy (translation): They would rape some men. When we were in Taganrog [prison] there was a cell for men and a cell for women. And we could hear our men screaming when they were being raped. They were making our men scrape off their tattoos. They were beating them badly. They did the same to women – they would beat them, pour boiling water on them. The only thing they didn't do - they didn't rape women. But the beating was brutal, abuse was very bad.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-pow-russia-60-minutes-transcript-2023-06-18/
Every time I find something new about the russians they appear even more broken and downtrodden to me, what I am understanding is there was a time were they were like what DA JOOS have been trying to achieve in the West, yet somehow they turned what was a certain kind of love into hatred and brutality.
Stalin with his shit touch ruined them more. Stalin make them into turbo repressed anal raping homos with the gulags. They went from being almost open butt lovers with a side dish of pederasty to being the gay ass rapists in denial of today. >The new Article 121, which punished muzhelozhstvo with imprisonment for up to 5 years, was followed by raids and arrests at the height of the Stalinist terror. The numbers of men arrested are not known, but by the 1980s there were about 1000 every year. The Soviet Union had the largest population of incarcerated men in the world, and given the importance of prison culture for Soviet culture as a whole, it is likely that prison homosexuality played a part in forming Soviet gay culture. In Soviet prisons there was a class of men called opushchennye (degraded) who were required to fulfill the sexual needs of the rest. On the one hand, they were at the lowest rung of the social ladder, but they were sometimes protected by their lovers. And not only men charged with Article 121 were opushchennye: any prisoner could be degraded by ritualized rape -- for losing at cards, over an insult, or even because his beauty made him an attractive sex object.
And this is how you get roosters.
In fairness, once you get past the attitude that "le gay=bad" (because really it's not nearly as bad as we meme it to be) the social acceptance of homosexuality and casualness to intimidate relationships between men that far back is actually a good mark of social progressiveness and societal QOL over pretty much everyone else nearby.
A shame that while the rest of the world eventually caught up to the idea, Russia decided to then go and obsess over not being a unmanly by being gay.
It's like the Chinese revolution. Alright place, some interesting history and culture, a brief explosion into power, and then it becomes a soulless shithole.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>really it's not nearly as bad as we meme it to be
yes and no
yes, homosexuality is "merely" uncontrolled lust, it's only one step down the line from being a wank champ - you just go from giving yourself a handy to having a very very good mate do it for ya, and I'm sure most of us have very very good mates we'd be amenable to frick if they were actually girls
no, homosexuality is often (not always) more than that, it's also a social role in which one abrogates the responsibilities of a man in society to try to take on that of a woman, and ultimately that's because he is incapable of functioning normally as a man
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sounds like you’re telling on yourself there mate
1 month ago
Anonymous
in what way? I'm solidly and comfortably heterosexual, thank you very much. but it's true enough that I've had a lot of fun with my best mates and I'm looking for a girl with whom I could be best mates with in the same way, but with the added advantage of a decent couple handfuls in her blouse and a slot B for my tab A
1 month ago
Anonymous
Bro... how many brojobs have you given your bros?
1 month ago
Anonymous
None, and I don't want any.
Dude, all I'm saying is that it's a very fine line between the dream, best mate gives you blowies and has breasts (which we want),
and
best mate gives you blowies and has a penis
and crossing that line makes you gay, and that's part of the problem why many dudes fall
maybe that's what was the problem with the Greeks, for all I know
1 month ago
Anonymous
but what if boobs and feminine penis?
1 month ago
Anonymous
As the great Marcus Aurelius said, "nay, thou hast been deceived; there art no chicks with dicks, forsooth; only guys with breasts"
1 month ago
Anonymous
1 month ago
Anonymous
>homosexuality is "merely" uncontrolled lust
There's also cuddling and watching movies together and stuff like that.
>it's also a social role in which one abrogates the responsibilities of a man in society to try to take on that of a woman
That's what most people are insisting has to be their culture and ways of expression, but a lot of gay guys are completely alienated from that. On the contrary, a lot of trad ressentiment about gays on this website comes from anons confusing their own desires with women's. Women like intelligent men whose autism leaves them vulnerable to women's ability to manipulate them; not muscular, high-DPS, sexually domineering Bronze Age Perverts, which is what gay men live for.
1 month ago
Anonymous
What's DPS
1 month ago
Anonymous
>That's what most people are insisting has to be their culture and ways of expression, but a lot of gay guys are completely alienated from that. On the contrary, a lot of trad ressentiment about gays on this website comes from anons confusing their own desires with women's. Women like intelligent men whose autism leaves them vulnerable to women's ability to manipulate them; not muscular, high-DPS, sexually domineering Bronze Age Perverts, which is what gay men live for.
How to tell everyone you are a virgin transsexual redditor without admitting you are a virgin transsexual redditor.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>There's also cuddling
That's foreplay. >a lot of gay guys are completely alienated from that
Don't think so. The ones I know in a stable relationship are pretty much like every other normal couple, except the assigned nancy acts pretty much like a woman. >which is what gay men live for.
Speak for yourself...
1 month ago
Anonymous
That’s… not how homosexuality works at all anon. This had better be a troll im too autistic to get.
>uh we totally raped the women too!
imagine being in the position where this is something you have to say in defense of your country,
>“They, especially the great boyars and nobles, engage in more debauchery, sodomy, men with men, and not even secretly but often in front of many people, considering it an honor and doing it without reserve and publicly.” (Translated from the Russian translation of Petreius’ work.) >In 1551, the Italian historian Paolo Giovio published a series of books in which he described the mores of the Muscovy during the time of Tsar Vasily III, citing Russian ambassadors and merchants: >«In the manner of the Greeks, Muscovite customs permit to love young men, for the noblest of them and all the ranks of chivalry are in the habit of accepting the children of honorable citizens in their service and instructing them in the art of war.”
>Medieval Russia was apparently very tolerant of homosexuality. There is evidence of homosexual love in some of the lives of the saints from Kievan Rus dating to the 11th century. Homosexual acts were treated as a sin by the Orthodox Church, but there were no legal sanctions against them at the time, and even churchmen seemed perturbed by homosexuality only in the monasteries. Foriegn visitors to Muscovite Russia in the 16th and 17th centuries repeatedly express their amazement at the open displays of homosexual affection among men of every class. Sigismund von Heberstein, Adam Olearius, Juraj Krizhanich, and George Turberville all write about the prevalence of homosexuality in Russia in their travel and memoir literature. The 19th century historian Sergei Soloviev writes that "nowhere, either in the Orient or in the West, was this vile, unnatural sin taken as lightly as in Russia."
>Iryna Stogniy (translation): They would rape some men. When we were in Taganrog [prison] there was a cell for men and a cell for women. And we could hear our men screaming when they were being raped. They were making our men scrape off their tattoos. They were beating them badly. They did the same to women – they would beat them, pour boiling water on them. The only thing they didn't do - they didn't rape women. But the beating was brutal, abuse was very bad.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-pow-russia-60-minutes-transcript-2023-06-18/
>The only thing they didn't do - they didn't rape women
yeah no I recognise face-saving cope when I see it
pretty sure they did but the womens' feefees are being spared, especially because this batch of exchanged POWs had all their faces splashed across media as part of their "women can fight too" DEI push
if you look at anonymised surveys you will see reports of raped female POWs as well. and we all remember Bucha.
> Perhaps the Mujik hath > a gay and gallant wife: > To serve his beastly lust yet he > will lead a bowgards life. > The monster more desires > a boy within his bed > Then any wench, such filthy sin > ensues a drunken head. >This is how English poet and diplomat George Turberville described his impressions of his journey to Russia in a 1568 letter to a friend. He was not the only foreigner to be struck by the licentiousness of manners in Russia. Swedish diplomat Peer Peersson of Erlesunda (who wrote under the pen name Petrus Petreius) also resented it. As he wrote in Historien und Bericht Von dem Großfürstenthumb Muschkow, his work on the history of Russia during the Time of Troubles and Ivan the Terrible, >“They, especially the great boyars and nobles, engage in more debauchery, sodomy, men with men, and not even secretly but often in front of many people, considering it an honor and doing it without reserve and publicly.” (Translated from the Russian translation of Petreius’ work.)
>The gender revolution of 1917, including the Bolsheviks’ decriminalisation of homosexuality in Russia in the same year, also helped to foster the phenomenon of everyday cross-dressing during the liberal 1920s. One employee of the Soviet intelligence services (or GPU), listed in documents as “Evgeniya Fedorovna”, was able to pass as a man for a long time. In 1918, she began work at the Cheka, or secret police, working in the investigative unit, speaking about herself exclusively in the male gender and wearing a man’s uniform. In 1922, she successfully registered her marriage to a woman who suspected nothing and only much later uncovered “her spouse’s true sex”. Fedorovna’s colleagues attempted to take her to court for “crimes against nature”, but the case collapsed and the marriage was not overturned. She was later wounded by a bullet during an encounter with some Moscow bandits and forced into retirement: against her dearest wishes she was forced to part with the uniform that she loved. She began to drink, and was arrested several times for “debauchery involving women”.
>Another remarkable example of everyday gender fluidity took place in January 1921, when a police raid saw the arrest of 95 people during a wedding between men taking place in a private apartment in the centre of Petrograd. Almost all those arrested were men who had arrived at the occasion in dresses, with one in a wedding gown and bridal veil. It’s worth noting that women dressed as men and the “bride” were hardly shocking at the time – and certainly not to the police. It appears that the raid was only carried out because a whistle-blower had alleged that the apartment was occasionally used by participants in a counter-revolutionary plot “aimed at weakening the morale of the Red Army.” The political and gender revolutions of 1917 were, it seemed, working in unison. Soviet citizens were free to work through their own liberation as they wished – so long as the Party line was not crossed.
>The list of widely-known homosexuals included the Grand Dukes Sergei Alexandrovich and Konstantin Konstantinovich, the conservative literary figure Viktor Meshchersky, the composer Peter Tchaikovsky, and the author of the triad “Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality” Sergei Uvarov. However, this notoriety did not affect their lives in any way. It took a high-profile scandal to punish a nobleman for sodomy. An example of such a scandal was the controversy around the poet Alexander Shenin when he (allegedly) released an erotic, homosexual poem, A Cadet's Escapades (1843). Even then, the penalties we limited to dismissal from service and exile from St. Petersburg.
>In the early 1920s, representatives of the People's Commissariat for Health, including personally the People's Commissar Nikolai Semashko, who laid the foundations of the Soviet healthcare system, were in active contact with colleagues in Germany, where sexology was rapidly developing. At conferences of the Magnus Hirschfeld Institute for Sexual Science, they stated that the decriminalization of homosexuals in the USSR was a deliberate measure.
>Soviet courts even recognized same-sex marriages in some cases. Historian Dan Healey cites the case of one Evgenia Feodorovna M., described by two psychiatrists. They recount how a woman arranged a marriage with her unnamed companion, posing as a man. Upon finding this, public prosecutors attempted to annul the decision of the registry office, but the Commissariat of Justice declared the marriage legal.
Every time I find something new about the russians they appear even more broken and downtrodden to me, what I am understanding is there was a time were they were like what DA JOOS have been trying to achieve in the West, yet somehow they turned what was a certain kind of love into hatred and brutality.
Stalin with his shit touch ruined them more. Stalin make them into turbo repressed anal raping homos with the gulags. They went from being almost open butt lovers with a side dish of pederasty to being the gay ass rapists in denial of today. >The new Article 121, which punished muzhelozhstvo with imprisonment for up to 5 years, was followed by raids and arrests at the height of the Stalinist terror. The numbers of men arrested are not known, but by the 1980s there were about 1000 every year. The Soviet Union had the largest population of incarcerated men in the world, and given the importance of prison culture for Soviet culture as a whole, it is likely that prison homosexuality played a part in forming Soviet gay culture. In Soviet prisons there was a class of men called opushchennye (degraded) who were required to fulfill the sexual needs of the rest. On the one hand, they were at the lowest rung of the social ladder, but they were sometimes protected by their lovers. And not only men charged with Article 121 were opushchennye: any prisoner could be degraded by ritualized rape -- for losing at cards, over an insult, or even because his beauty made him an attractive sex object.
And this is how you get roosters.
>The bathhouses of Russia's cities were another important site in the homosexual world. In comparison to earlier eras, when sex between youthful attendants and their clients was organized according to relatively egalitarian peasant customs, by the 1890s bathhouse homosexual prostitution was a business not unlike work in heterosexual brothels. >Managers appear to have cultivated particular male bath attendants to earn money as sex workers both on the premises and off. Earnings were no longer pooled among the attendants, peasant-fashion, but channeled through a manager who distributed work among attendants. Bathhouse managers were also aware that affluent homosexual men resorted to private cabinets in baths for sex and profited from this arrangement. >Social historians have long relied on foreigners' reports of what they saw in Muscovy. These foreigners wrote vividly about the widespread practice of sodomy or "unnatural vice" between men and boys, between adult men, and between men and animals, in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Muscovy. >Peter's 1716 military ban on sodomy was intended to begin this transformation where he needed to create "new men" first, in the army and navy. A similar ban was proposed for civilians in a draft penal code of 1754, but was not finally enacted until 1835. This law (which lasted until 1917) was apparently a response to the reports of sodomy in boys' boarding schools, in an era when the state needed another kind of "new man," the pious, conservative yet educated bureaucrat. Yet the growth of cities, and their increasing sophistication, allowed the development of alternatives to the masculinity prescribed by the state.
>Social historians have long relied on foreigners' reports of what they saw in Muscovy. These foreigners wrote vividly about the widespread practice of sodomy or "unnatural vice" between men and boys, between adult men, and between men and animals, in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Muscovy.
>The gender revolution of 1917, including the Bolsheviks’ decriminalisation of homosexuality in Russia in the same year, also helped to foster the phenomenon of everyday cross-dressing during the liberal 1920s. One employee of the Soviet intelligence services (or GPU), listed in documents as “Evgeniya Fedorovna”, was able to pass as a man for a long time. In 1918, she began work at the Cheka, or secret police, working in the investigative unit, speaking about herself exclusively in the male gender and wearing a man’s uniform. In 1922, she successfully registered her marriage to a woman who suspected nothing and only much later uncovered “her spouse’s true sex”. Fedorovna’s colleagues attempted to take her to court for “crimes against nature”, but the case collapsed and the marriage was not overturned. She was later wounded by a bullet during an encounter with some Moscow bandits and forced into retirement: against her dearest wishes she was forced to part with the uniform that she loved. She began to drink, and was arrested several times for “debauchery involving women”.
>Another remarkable example of everyday gender fluidity took place in January 1921, when a police raid saw the arrest of 95 people during a wedding between men taking place in a private apartment in the centre of Petrograd. Almost all those arrested were men who had arrived at the occasion in dresses, with one in a wedding gown and bridal veil. It’s worth noting that women dressed as men and the “bride” were hardly shocking at the time – and certainly not to the police. It appears that the raid was only carried out because a whistle-blower had alleged that the apartment was occasionally used by participants in a counter-revolutionary plot “aimed at weakening the morale of the Red Army.” The political and gender revolutions of 1917 were, it seemed, working in unison. Soviet citizens were free to work through their own liberation as they wished – so long as the Party line was not crossed.
>Both men and women in Russia occasionally departed from standard gender roles, and found various ways to express their gender dissent. When discovered, their disguises and desires were traditionally described as hermaphroditic. Later in the twentieth century, such gender crossing was regarded as a sign of homosexuality (by the 1910s, a medical condition).
>Full cross-dressing was also observed, not always closely tied to same-sex desire, but rarely distinguished by Russian medical experts from homosexuality until quite late in the twentieth century.
>Russia's foremost lexicographer collected a range of words from peasants and townsmen in the 1830s and 1840s to describe the mannish woman and the effeminate man. Women "resembling a man in their appearance, movements, voice" or "by structure, by body formation," were called muzhlanka, borodulia, suparen' and other terms. Men who "luxuriate [or] take women's manners" could be described using the verb devulit'sia. The nouns babatia, babulia (derived from the peasant word for a woman, baba) could also be applied to softer, feminine men.
>Such words were viewed as far more insulting than the terms used to define the masculine woman. Women with masculine traits were regarded in a more positive light than their effeminate male counterparts. Rural Russians seemed to understand unconventional gender as a feature of hermaphroditism (which was widely enough observed in domestic animals): if someone behaved like the opposite sex, his or her physical sex was perhaps mixed as well.
[...] >Elder Protocols was just some Russian projection >Boy prostitution normalization was a Russian thing too
Now check out what happens when communism crosses over with pederasty and is exported.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay
>Born to an upper middle class family in England, Hay was raised in Chile and California. From an early age, he acknowledged his same-sex sexual attraction, and an interest in Marxism. Briefly studying at Stanford University, he subsequently became a professional actor in Los Angeles, where he joined the Communist Party USA, becoming a committed labor activist.
>At fourteen, Hay took his union card to a hiring hall in San Francisco, convinced the union officials he was 21, and got a job on a cargo ship. In 1926, after an unloading at Monterey Bay, he met and had sex with a 25-year-old merchant-sailor named Matt, who introduced him to the idea of gay men as a global "secret brotherhood".[44][14][45] Hay would later build on this idea, in combination with a Stalinist definition of nationalist identity, to argue that homosexuals constituted a "cultural minority".[note 2]
>Controversially, Hay was an active supporter of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophile advocacy organization.[5][6][7][8] He protested the group being banned from Pride parades, wearing a sign protesting the banning during the 1986 Los Angeles Pride,[3][6][9] and boycotting New York Pride in 1994 for their refusal to include NAMBLA.[6] He spoke out in support of relationships between adult men and boys as young as thirteen,[10][11] and spoke at several NAMBLA meetings, including panels in 1984 and 1986, and another in 1994 about helping the group strategize a name change to help with their public image.[5]
Yeah? Well I got news for ya, DAT means ya GAY
https://i.imgur.com/Pmsrfgo.jpg
[...]
[...]
No wonder why they have such a venomous hatred of the "modern liberal" West.
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Every time I find something new about the russians they appear even more broken and downtrodden to me, what I am understanding is there was a time were they were like what DA JOOS have been trying to achieve in the West, yet somehow they turned what was a certain kind of love into hatred and brutality.
>Elder Protocols was just some Russian projection >Boy prostitution normalization was a Russian thing too
Now check out what happens when communism crosses over with pederasty and is exported.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay
>Born to an upper middle class family in England, Hay was raised in Chile and California. From an early age, he acknowledged his same-sex sexual attraction, and an interest in Marxism. Briefly studying at Stanford University, he subsequently became a professional actor in Los Angeles, where he joined the Communist Party USA, becoming a committed labor activist.
>At fourteen, Hay took his union card to a hiring hall in San Francisco, convinced the union officials he was 21, and got a job on a cargo ship. In 1926, after an unloading at Monterey Bay, he met and had sex with a 25-year-old merchant-sailor named Matt, who introduced him to the idea of gay men as a global "secret brotherhood".[44][14][45] Hay would later build on this idea, in combination with a Stalinist definition of nationalist identity, to argue that homosexuals constituted a "cultural minority".[note 2]
>Controversially, Hay was an active supporter of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophile advocacy organization.[5][6][7][8] He protested the group being banned from Pride parades, wearing a sign protesting the banning during the 1986 Los Angeles Pride,[3][6][9] and boycotting New York Pride in 1994 for their refusal to include NAMBLA.[6] He spoke out in support of relationships between adult men and boys as young as thirteen,[10][11] and spoke at several NAMBLA meetings, including panels in 1984 and 1986, and another in 1994 about helping the group strategize a name change to help with their public image.[5]
[...]
[...] >The bathhouses of Russia's cities were another important site in the homosexual world. In comparison to earlier eras, when sex between youthful attendants and their clients was organized according to relatively egalitarian peasant customs, by the 1890s bathhouse homosexual prostitution was a business not unlike work in heterosexual brothels. >Managers appear to have cultivated particular male bath attendants to earn money as sex workers both on the premises and off. Earnings were no longer pooled among the attendants, peasant-fashion, but channeled through a manager who distributed work among attendants. Bathhouse managers were also aware that affluent homosexual men resorted to private cabinets in baths for sex and profited from this arrangement. >Social historians have long relied on foreigners' reports of what they saw in Muscovy. These foreigners wrote vividly about the widespread practice of sodomy or "unnatural vice" between men and boys, between adult men, and between men and animals, in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Muscovy. >Peter's 1716 military ban on sodomy was intended to begin this transformation where he needed to create "new men" first, in the army and navy. A similar ban was proposed for civilians in a draft penal code of 1754, but was not finally enacted until 1835. This law (which lasted until 1917) was apparently a response to the reports of sodomy in boys' boarding schools, in an era when the state needed another kind of "new man," the pious, conservative yet educated bureaucrat. Yet the growth of cities, and their increasing sophistication, allowed the development of alternatives to the masculinity prescribed by the state.
[...] >Elder Protocols was just some Russian projection >Boy prostitution normalization was a Russian thing too
Now check out what happens when communism crosses over with pederasty and is exported.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay
>Born to an upper middle class family in England, Hay was raised in Chile and California. From an early age, he acknowledged his same-sex sexual attraction, and an interest in Marxism. Briefly studying at Stanford University, he subsequently became a professional actor in Los Angeles, where he joined the Communist Party USA, becoming a committed labor activist.
>At fourteen, Hay took his union card to a hiring hall in San Francisco, convinced the union officials he was 21, and got a job on a cargo ship. In 1926, after an unloading at Monterey Bay, he met and had sex with a 25-year-old merchant-sailor named Matt, who introduced him to the idea of gay men as a global "secret brotherhood".[44][14][45] Hay would later build on this idea, in combination with a Stalinist definition of nationalist identity, to argue that homosexuals constituted a "cultural minority".[note 2]
>Controversially, Hay was an active supporter of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophile advocacy organization.[5][6][7][8] He protested the group being banned from Pride parades, wearing a sign protesting the banning during the 1986 Los Angeles Pride,[3][6][9] and boycotting New York Pride in 1994 for their refusal to include NAMBLA.[6] He spoke out in support of relationships between adult men and boys as young as thirteen,[10][11] and spoke at several NAMBLA meetings, including panels in 1984 and 1986, and another in 1994 about helping the group strategize a name change to help with their public image.[5]
Here's the animated version. I was banned a few months ago for posting this .gif by the way. Proving the tankie troony jannie is a Putinist pedo homosexual.
Another strange phenomenon is there are no russian propagandists ITT attempting to deny the facts demonstrated here, with sources, explanations, and contextualization.
Really makes you think.
Yet these frickers keep claiming WEST IS HOMOSEX XAXAXA
Vatniks?
More like gayNIGS.
Thanks anon, I should probably make a modern webm from the source video of that one day.
1 month ago
Anonymous
No problem anon. There are several of pics of Putin being creepy around children too, but it's always too mild to really provide a shock effect. I'm sure the footage exists though.
>Proving the tankie troony jannie is a Putinist pedo homosexual.
Watch out, you can get banned merely for pointing out the existence of the vatnik janny.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I know anon. Can't wait for Russia to assemble a troon brigade so he can get blown the frick off in any way he'd see fit on any battlefield he likes.
My only request is he do a backflip or a barrel roll as he goes into pieces so we know it's him.
Regardless of whether what you say is true or not I will always ignore you if you cite wikipedia. Get a better source, your third grade teacher even understood wikipedia is not a legitimate source.
This reminds me, I read that gay rape is frequently used as punishment in Russia and, because it was used as an act of aggression as opposed to romance, it wasn’t considered gay. Which means Russians take “no homo” at face value
>If the United States were to develop a "gay bomb" and drop it on Moscow, what would change?
Russians would simply stop trying to find excuses and justifications to frick/rape each other in the ass, and just come out as gay already.
Shit, someone posted it already.
Frick it, I'll post the other one then.
> Nothing would change.
This is most decidedly untrue and slanderous!
There absolutely would be changes.
They’d admit that raping another dude is totally gay, for one.
>The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes. >The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.
The Russians have been gay long before the US or NAFO even existed.
>The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes. >The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.
The Russians have been gay long before the US or NAFO even existed.
>Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov's son, the gay model in London
No matter how much they deny it
>The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes. >The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.
The Russians have been gay long before the US or NAFO even existed.
>The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes. >The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.
The Russians have been gay long before the US or NAFO even existed.
>There are very few records of lesbian communities or discussions of gay women. Female homosexuality was not acknowledged as a possiblity, hence never made illegal, and so there are no police archives and only a few medical accounts that discuss the “treatment” of lesbians. But even these, published by Arzamas, demonstrate only the vaguest discussion of the lesbian community. And when it came to the intelligentsia, lesbians were exoticised and not taken seriously — after all, they were not seen as a threat to traditional patriarchal ways.
>The Russian Orthodox Church was generally more lenient toward same-sex relationships than the Catholics. Sodomy was an even broader concept: unlike their Western counterparts, high-ranking Orthodox clergymen were less concerned about sexual relations that did not lead to legitimate offspring than about gender norm violations. The latter included, for example, situations where a woman took a dominant position during sex. Same-sex anal intercourse was punished in the same way as heterosexual adultery, while mutual masturbation or fellatio was considered a minor transgression. Interestingly, Bishop Niphont of Novgorod, who lived in the 12th century, considered lesbian sex between two unmarried girls a lesser sin than premarital heterosexual sex.
I'm not that knowledgeable about Russia but one thing I do know is that making fun of Muscovites brings everyone together.
This is all I've gleaned about people from Moscow based on what Russians have told me >they're gay >they're simultaneously rich and poor because of cost of living >they're gay >they're haughty >they're gay >they talk too slow (???)
>they're gay
Yup >they're simultaneously rich and poor because of cost of living
We have big average salary compared to the rest of puccia (around 1000$) but prices are high as well >they're gay
Yup >they're haughty
Definitely >they're gay
Yup >>they talk too slow (???)
Huh?
Yeah I dunno. I was talking to a girl from Vladivostok whom said that and another Russia who was around said "Hahaha that's true!" I dunno. Maybe just some weird eastern Russians.
He's very good at hiding it. Look at the way he brings up the leg in the side profile to hide the lack of female hips and create more of an ass, then when he starts to face straight on he crosses his arms to pull in the shoulders which would make his maleness clear as day if he were standing straight. This shit is why they pass so well online but rarely do so in person, or even just in candid photos. They can't control the angles at which you see them.
boys can easily look like slender girls and vice versa, just travel through the Far East sometime
He's very good at hiding it. Look at the way he brings up the leg in the side profile to hide the lack of female hips and create more of an ass, then when he starts to face straight on he crosses his arms to pull in the shoulders which would make his maleness clear as day if he were standing straight. This shit is why they pass so well online but rarely do so in person, or even just in candid photos. They can't control the angles at which you see them.
he's also naturally fine-boned, watches what he eats, arching his shoulders to push out his chest, and probably wearing a padded and push-up top
And lastly Exhibit G, for "Gay".
tl;dr
Russia is Gay.
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>Exhibit G
Wait a sec.... is this armpitchairgeneral webcam leak?
>Drop bomb >Putin inhales some of the gay falout >Seen taking wiener from a circassian BVLL 20 minutes later >The gears of Russia's prison culture begin to churn as its public knowledge that the president is a bottom >Thirty-way gang war larping as a civil war
>PJOTR YOU ARE BAD SOLDIER, YOU MUST BE PUNISHED! >NO SIR NOT THE ANAL SEX PUNISHMENT! >SORRY PJOTR, BUT THIS IS JUST HOW OUR PROUD RUSSIAN CULTURE WORKS. >I UNDERSTAND.. IS NOT GAY, IS PUNISHMENT ;_; >AND A *unzips* ALIEOOOP! PLOP >AAAAAAAAAAH SO MUCH PUNISHMENT!
*gay bomb drops* >OH SIR, YOUR PUNISHMENT.. IT IS OF SO BIG >YES PJOTR MY DEAR, ACCEPT THE CULTURAL PUNISHMENT FOR THE UNBEHAVINGS SOLDIER. >PUNISH ME OF HARDER SIR!
What if they just turn to jeffree star style gay. >Hates gays harder >Garish colors and rhinestone studs everywhere
At least it wouldn't be so gray and dark. But in turn it'll look like it snows in palm springs.
What the frick does any army even use these mentally unstable men larping as women for? At least some moron Vatnik can shoot a rifle in the right general direction and then force Ukraine to expend ammo killing him. This thing is probably just collecting a paycheck doing nothing.
Wouldn't trannies make better soldiers than actual women though. >Mentally unwell (and thusly less likely to get moral complications from war and stop killing). >Male's build and physical capacity due to growing up a dude. >Chance to look like a chick in some ways. Maybe not perfectly, but in war you make do.
It might make them acknowledge the concept of consent but who knows they're a special kind of gay. Maybe they just become open gay anal rapists instead is the other side of the coin.
>If the United States were to develop a "gay bomb" and drop it on Moscow, what would change?
Russians would simply stop trying to find excuses and justifications to frick/rape each other in the ass, and just come out as gay already.
[...]
Shit, someone posted it already.
Frick it, I'll post the other one then.
pretty sure not much would change. they'd be unusually tolerant to homosexualry but assrape and the general subhuman cruelty of all kinds would still be ubiquitous
No, that would only make Russia more powerful, like trying to fight the giant living fireball in the Fifth Element that expands when you shoot it.
In Russia, gay sex looks for you. People are bullied for heterosexuality. The bullies beat you then say "haha what kind of gay doesn't sleep with his platonic Bros" and then they kiss each other.
The communists violently de-Christianizing Russia also had the opposite effect from what was intended. They didn't enter the era of progress and reason. Instead Russia fall back to the Neolith. Russian cult of WWII is a form of a neolithic ancestral cult. It is thoroughly cleansed from any Abrahamic values and centered around the worship of the dead. If a trad complains about gay in reference to Alexander or the ancient Greeks you know he's a worthless dilettante and a total fricking poser. Go back to your worthless videogame forums you witless illiterates.
A bomb is a bomb. US directly using untested weapons on a Russian capital and largest city is a strict evidence we are at war. The fact it was a rare kind of a gravitational bomb means the AF managed to establish air superiority over Moscow. Losing air superiority over Moscow during the ongoing invasion is definitely an existential threat that should've triggered a nuclear response long before the bomb could've been dropped. Considering our army kept the capabilities at this stage means the russian nuclear response couldn't happen or didn't cause significant damage, so russian nukes are off the table now and we are in a culmination of winning the war.
The greatest change I'll see will be a wave of "3 Natashas for 200$" deals at Costco. Also I expect a significant decrease of zigger quantity and increase of zigger ass posts quality after all these events.
>he can't win a war vs the poorest nation in europe >winning vs america isn't something he can even fantasize about in his wildest dreams >so this is what he does instead
pathetic
Russians are the most homosexual race known to man, and if you don't believe me look at their AIDS rates. Nothing would change.
Does that mean we already dropped a gay bomb on them and just got away with it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia
>The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes.
>The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.
The Russians have been gay long before the US or NAFO even existed.
There's a reason they hate gays so much, and it's because they are gay.
In the US only 1 in 5 of those that hate gays are secretly gay, but in Russia its probably more like 1 in 2.
>wikipedia
According to them everyone is gay all the time.
Russia was always pretty gay.
>Despite the wishes of Nicholas I, homosexuality obviously could not be legislated out of existence. Being a natural variant of human sexual relations, it could be repressed but not removed from society. It thus remained a half-hidden phenomenon, with several places where it could find expression. Among these were the public bath-houses, where male prostitution was common. The irony of the situation was that many men belonging to the upper and middle classes were homosexual or bisexual. Some would marry and live an apparently ‘normal’ family life but seek same-sex love in places like the public bath-houses.
>One of the most prominent examples was Grand Duke Konstantin, grandson of emperor Nicholas I and uncle of Nicholas II, whose homosexuality was revealed in 1994, nearly 80 years after his death in 1915, when his candid diaries were published. Konstantin recalls in detail the internal turmoil he felt as he struggled to ignore his urges, especially when it came to attending public bathhouses, many of which were known centres of male prostitution.
Every time I find something new about the russians they appear even more broken and downtrodden to me, what I am understanding is there was a time were they were like what DA JOOS have been trying to achieve in the West, yet somehow they turned what was a certain kind of love into hatred and brutality.
Stalin with his shit touch ruined them more. Stalin make them into turbo repressed anal raping homos with the gulags. They went from being almost open butt lovers with a side dish of pederasty to being the gay ass rapists in denial of today.
>The new Article 121, which punished muzhelozhstvo with imprisonment for up to 5 years, was followed by raids and arrests at the height of the Stalinist terror. The numbers of men arrested are not known, but by the 1980s there were about 1000 every year. The Soviet Union had the largest population of incarcerated men in the world, and given the importance of prison culture for Soviet culture as a whole, it is likely that prison homosexuality played a part in forming Soviet gay culture. In Soviet prisons there was a class of men called opushchennye (degraded) who were required to fulfill the sexual needs of the rest. On the one hand, they were at the lowest rung of the social ladder, but they were sometimes protected by their lovers. And not only men charged with Article 121 were opushchennye: any prisoner could be degraded by ritualized rape -- for losing at cards, over an insult, or even because his beauty made him an attractive sex object.
And this is how you get roosters.
In fairness, once you get past the attitude that "le gay=bad" (because really it's not nearly as bad as we meme it to be) the social acceptance of homosexuality and casualness to intimidate relationships between men that far back is actually a good mark of social progressiveness and societal QOL over pretty much everyone else nearby.
A shame that while the rest of the world eventually caught up to the idea, Russia decided to then go and obsess over not being a unmanly by being gay.
It's like the Chinese revolution. Alright place, some interesting history and culture, a brief explosion into power, and then it becomes a soulless shithole.
>really it's not nearly as bad as we meme it to be
yes and no
yes, homosexuality is "merely" uncontrolled lust, it's only one step down the line from being a wank champ - you just go from giving yourself a handy to having a very very good mate do it for ya, and I'm sure most of us have very very good mates we'd be amenable to frick if they were actually girls
no, homosexuality is often (not always) more than that, it's also a social role in which one abrogates the responsibilities of a man in society to try to take on that of a woman, and ultimately that's because he is incapable of functioning normally as a man
Sounds like you’re telling on yourself there mate
in what way? I'm solidly and comfortably heterosexual, thank you very much. but it's true enough that I've had a lot of fun with my best mates and I'm looking for a girl with whom I could be best mates with in the same way, but with the added advantage of a decent couple handfuls in her blouse and a slot B for my tab A
Bro... how many brojobs have you given your bros?
None, and I don't want any.
Dude, all I'm saying is that it's a very fine line between the dream, best mate gives you blowies and has breasts (which we want),
and
best mate gives you blowies and has a penis
and crossing that line makes you gay, and that's part of the problem why many dudes fall
maybe that's what was the problem with the Greeks, for all I know
but what if boobs and feminine penis?
As the great Marcus Aurelius said, "nay, thou hast been deceived; there art no chicks with dicks, forsooth; only guys with breasts"
>homosexuality is "merely" uncontrolled lust
There's also cuddling and watching movies together and stuff like that.
>it's also a social role in which one abrogates the responsibilities of a man in society to try to take on that of a woman
That's what most people are insisting has to be their culture and ways of expression, but a lot of gay guys are completely alienated from that. On the contrary, a lot of trad ressentiment about gays on this website comes from anons confusing their own desires with women's. Women like intelligent men whose autism leaves them vulnerable to women's ability to manipulate them; not muscular, high-DPS, sexually domineering Bronze Age Perverts, which is what gay men live for.
What's DPS
>That's what most people are insisting has to be their culture and ways of expression, but a lot of gay guys are completely alienated from that. On the contrary, a lot of trad ressentiment about gays on this website comes from anons confusing their own desires with women's. Women like intelligent men whose autism leaves them vulnerable to women's ability to manipulate them; not muscular, high-DPS, sexually domineering Bronze Age Perverts, which is what gay men live for.
How to tell everyone you are a virgin transsexual redditor without admitting you are a virgin transsexual redditor.
>There's also cuddling
That's foreplay.
>a lot of gay guys are completely alienated from that
Don't think so. The ones I know in a stable relationship are pretty much like every other normal couple, except the assigned nancy acts pretty much like a woman.
>which is what gay men live for.
Speak for yourself...
That’s… not how homosexuality works at all anon. This had better be a troll im too autistic to get.
>Equal opportunity rapists.
>“They, especially the great boyars and nobles, engage in more debauchery, sodomy, men with men, and not even secretly but often in front of many people, considering it an honor and doing it without reserve and publicly.” (Translated from the Russian translation of Petreius’ work.)
>In 1551, the Italian historian Paolo Giovio published a series of books in which he described the mores of the Muscovy during the time of Tsar Vasily III, citing Russian ambassadors and merchants:
>«In the manner of the Greeks, Muscovite customs permit to love young men, for the noblest of them and all the ranks of chivalry are in the habit of accepting the children of honorable citizens in their service and instructing them in the art of war.”
>Medieval Russia was apparently very tolerant of homosexuality. There is evidence of homosexual love in some of the lives of the saints from Kievan Rus dating to the 11th century. Homosexual acts were treated as a sin by the Orthodox Church, but there were no legal sanctions against them at the time, and even churchmen seemed perturbed by homosexuality only in the monasteries. Foriegn visitors to Muscovite Russia in the 16th and 17th centuries repeatedly express their amazement at the open displays of homosexual affection among men of every class. Sigismund von Heberstein, Adam Olearius, Juraj Krizhanich, and George Turberville all write about the prevalence of homosexuality in Russia in their travel and memoir literature. The 19th century historian Sergei Soloviev writes that "nowhere, either in the Orient or in the West, was this vile, unnatural sin taken as lightly as in Russia."
>Iryna Stogniy (translation): They would rape some men. When we were in Taganrog [prison] there was a cell for men and a cell for women. And we could hear our men screaming when they were being raped. They were making our men scrape off their tattoos. They were beating them badly. They did the same to women – they would beat them, pour boiling water on them. The only thing they didn't do - they didn't rape women. But the beating was brutal, abuse was very bad.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-pow-russia-60-minutes-transcript-2023-06-18/
>The only thing they didn't do - they didn't rape women
yeah no I recognise face-saving cope when I see it
pretty sure they did but the womens' feefees are being spared, especially because this batch of exchanged POWs had all their faces splashed across media as part of their "women can fight too" DEI push
if you look at anonymised surveys you will see reports of raped female POWs as well. and we all remember Bucha.
>uh we totally raped the women too!
imagine being in the position where this is something you have to say in defense of your country,
> Perhaps the Mujik hath
> a gay and gallant wife:
> To serve his beastly lust yet he
> will lead a bowgards life.
> The monster more desires
> a boy within his bed
> Then any wench, such filthy sin
> ensues a drunken head.
>This is how English poet and diplomat George Turberville described his impressions of his journey to Russia in a 1568 letter to a friend. He was not the only foreigner to be struck by the licentiousness of manners in Russia. Swedish diplomat Peer Peersson of Erlesunda (who wrote under the pen name Petrus Petreius) also resented it. As he wrote in Historien und Bericht Von dem Großfürstenthumb Muschkow, his work on the history of Russia during the Time of Troubles and Ivan the Terrible,
>“They, especially the great boyars and nobles, engage in more debauchery, sodomy, men with men, and not even secretly but often in front of many people, considering it an honor and doing it without reserve and publicly.” (Translated from the Russian translation of Petreius’ work.)
>The gender revolution of 1917, including the Bolsheviks’ decriminalisation of homosexuality in Russia in the same year, also helped to foster the phenomenon of everyday cross-dressing during the liberal 1920s. One employee of the Soviet intelligence services (or GPU), listed in documents as “Evgeniya Fedorovna”, was able to pass as a man for a long time. In 1918, she began work at the Cheka, or secret police, working in the investigative unit, speaking about herself exclusively in the male gender and wearing a man’s uniform. In 1922, she successfully registered her marriage to a woman who suspected nothing and only much later uncovered “her spouse’s true sex”. Fedorovna’s colleagues attempted to take her to court for “crimes against nature”, but the case collapsed and the marriage was not overturned. She was later wounded by a bullet during an encounter with some Moscow bandits and forced into retirement: against her dearest wishes she was forced to part with the uniform that she loved. She began to drink, and was arrested several times for “debauchery involving women”.
>Another remarkable example of everyday gender fluidity took place in January 1921, when a police raid saw the arrest of 95 people during a wedding between men taking place in a private apartment in the centre of Petrograd. Almost all those arrested were men who had arrived at the occasion in dresses, with one in a wedding gown and bridal veil. It’s worth noting that women dressed as men and the “bride” were hardly shocking at the time – and certainly not to the police. It appears that the raid was only carried out because a whistle-blower had alleged that the apartment was occasionally used by participants in a counter-revolutionary plot “aimed at weakening the morale of the Red Army.” The political and gender revolutions of 1917 were, it seemed, working in unison. Soviet citizens were free to work through their own liberation as they wished – so long as the Party line was not crossed.
>The list of widely-known homosexuals included the Grand Dukes Sergei Alexandrovich and Konstantin Konstantinovich, the conservative literary figure Viktor Meshchersky, the composer Peter Tchaikovsky, and the author of the triad “Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality” Sergei Uvarov. However, this notoriety did not affect their lives in any way. It took a high-profile scandal to punish a nobleman for sodomy. An example of such a scandal was the controversy around the poet Alexander Shenin when he (allegedly) released an erotic, homosexual poem, A Cadet's Escapades (1843). Even then, the penalties we limited to dismissal from service and exile from St. Petersburg.
>In the early 1920s, representatives of the People's Commissariat for Health, including personally the People's Commissar Nikolai Semashko, who laid the foundations of the Soviet healthcare system, were in active contact with colleagues in Germany, where sexology was rapidly developing. At conferences of the Magnus Hirschfeld Institute for Sexual Science, they stated that the decriminalization of homosexuals in the USSR was a deliberate measure.
>Soviet courts even recognized same-sex marriages in some cases. Historian Dan Healey cites the case of one Evgenia Feodorovna M., described by two psychiatrists. They recount how a woman arranged a marriage with her unnamed companion, posing as a man. Upon finding this, public prosecutors attempted to annul the decision of the registry office, but the Commissariat of Justice declared the marriage legal.
>The bathhouses of Russia's cities were another important site in the homosexual world. In comparison to earlier eras, when sex between youthful attendants and their clients was organized according to relatively egalitarian peasant customs, by the 1890s bathhouse homosexual prostitution was a business not unlike work in heterosexual brothels.
>Managers appear to have cultivated particular male bath attendants to earn money as sex workers both on the premises and off. Earnings were no longer pooled among the attendants, peasant-fashion, but channeled through a manager who distributed work among attendants. Bathhouse managers were also aware that affluent homosexual men resorted to private cabinets in baths for sex and profited from this arrangement.
>Social historians have long relied on foreigners' reports of what they saw in Muscovy. These foreigners wrote vividly about the widespread practice of sodomy or "unnatural vice" between men and boys, between adult men, and between men and animals, in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Muscovy.
>Peter's 1716 military ban on sodomy was intended to begin this transformation where he needed to create "new men" first, in the army and navy. A similar ban was proposed for civilians in a draft penal code of 1754, but was not finally enacted until 1835. This law (which lasted until 1917) was apparently a response to the reports of sodomy in boys' boarding schools, in an era when the state needed another kind of "new man," the pious, conservative yet educated bureaucrat. Yet the growth of cities, and their increasing sophistication, allowed the development of alternatives to the masculinity prescribed by the state.
>Social historians have long relied on foreigners' reports of what they saw in Muscovy. These foreigners wrote vividly about the widespread practice of sodomy or "unnatural vice" between men and boys, between adult men, and between men and animals, in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Muscovy.
>Both men and women in Russia occasionally departed from standard gender roles, and found various ways to express their gender dissent. When discovered, their disguises and desires were traditionally described as hermaphroditic. Later in the twentieth century, such gender crossing was regarded as a sign of homosexuality (by the 1910s, a medical condition).
>Full cross-dressing was also observed, not always closely tied to same-sex desire, but rarely distinguished by Russian medical experts from homosexuality until quite late in the twentieth century.
>Russia's foremost lexicographer collected a range of words from peasants and townsmen in the 1830s and 1840s to describe the mannish woman and the effeminate man. Women "resembling a man in their appearance, movements, voice" or "by structure, by body formation," were called muzhlanka, borodulia, suparen' and other terms. Men who "luxuriate [or] take women's manners" could be described using the verb devulit'sia. The nouns babatia, babulia (derived from the peasant word for a woman, baba) could also be applied to softer, feminine men.
>Such words were viewed as far more insulting than the terms used to define the masculine woman. Women with masculine traits were regarded in a more positive light than their effeminate male counterparts. Rural Russians seemed to understand unconventional gender as a feature of hermaphroditism (which was widely enough observed in domestic animals): if someone behaved like the opposite sex, his or her physical sex was perhaps mixed as well.
No wonder why they have such a venomous hatred of the "modern liberal" West.
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>Elder Protocols was just some Russian projection
>Boy prostitution normalization was a Russian thing too
Now check out what happens when communism crosses over with pederasty and is exported.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay
>Born to an upper middle class family in England, Hay was raised in Chile and California. From an early age, he acknowledged his same-sex sexual attraction, and an interest in Marxism. Briefly studying at Stanford University, he subsequently became a professional actor in Los Angeles, where he joined the Communist Party USA, becoming a committed labor activist.
>At fourteen, Hay took his union card to a hiring hall in San Francisco, convinced the union officials he was 21, and got a job on a cargo ship. In 1926, after an unloading at Monterey Bay, he met and had sex with a 25-year-old merchant-sailor named Matt, who introduced him to the idea of gay men as a global "secret brotherhood".[44][14][45] Hay would later build on this idea, in combination with a Stalinist definition of nationalist identity, to argue that homosexuals constituted a "cultural minority".[note 2]
>Controversially, Hay was an active supporter of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophile advocacy organization.[5][6][7][8] He protested the group being banned from Pride parades, wearing a sign protesting the banning during the 1986 Los Angeles Pride,[3][6][9] and boycotting New York Pride in 1994 for their refusal to include NAMBLA.[6] He spoke out in support of relationships between adult men and boys as young as thirteen,[10][11] and spoke at several NAMBLA meetings, including panels in 1984 and 1986, and another in 1994 about helping the group strategize a name change to help with their public image.[5]
Here's the animated version. I was banned a few months ago for posting this .gif by the way. Proving the tankie troony jannie is a Putinist pedo homosexual.
Another strange phenomenon is there are no russian propagandists ITT attempting to deny the facts demonstrated here, with sources, explanations, and contextualization.
Really makes you think.
Yet these frickers keep claiming WEST IS HOMOSEX XAXAXA
Vatniks?
More like gayNIGS.
Thanks anon, I should probably make a modern webm from the source video of that one day.
No problem anon. There are several of pics of Putin being creepy around children too, but it's always too mild to really provide a shock effect. I'm sure the footage exists though.
>Proving the tankie troony jannie is a Putinist pedo homosexual.
Watch out, you can get banned merely for pointing out the existence of the vatnik janny.
I know anon. Can't wait for Russia to assemble a troon brigade so he can get blown the frick off in any way he'd see fit on any battlefield he likes.
My only request is he do a backflip or a barrel roll as he goes into pieces so we know it's him.
damn this shit is strait AF
Heterosexual (Homosexual) love transcends race, comrade.
>Socialist fraternal kiss culture
Only seen done mostly by Russians.
Regardless of whether what you say is true or not I will always ignore you if you cite wikipedia. Get a better source, your third grade teacher even understood wikipedia is not a legitimate source.
This reminds me, I read that gay rape is frequently used as punishment in Russia and, because it was used as an act of aggression as opposed to romance, it wasn’t considered gay. Which means Russians take “no homo” at face value
Nah, they've been blowing themselves up with gay bombs on a regular basis
Russia is cratered with prolapsed rectums
Shit, someone posted it already.
Frick it, I'll post the other one then.
Now I just want some old timey WW2 propaganda posters
>A wiener in the butt saves lives
>Dicks For Putin, put your penis in a layabout
>Do your duty for Russia, frick the new guy
> Nothing would change.
This is most decidedly untrue and slanderous!
There absolutely would be changes.
They’d admit that raping another dude is totally gay, for one.
fat mutt fingers typing.
>Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov's son, the gay model in London
No matter how much they deny it
pucnnr so strong it even has gays
they'd be more proud of their behavior
Frogs with loose prostates.
>Moscow
Nothing happens
Consent
kek
my sympathies
maybe more lesbianism?
we know about the OMON assfricking, but what about the ladies?
>but what about the ladies?
Sex is a purely transactional thing to Russian women.
>There are very few records of lesbian communities or discussions of gay women. Female homosexuality was not acknowledged as a possiblity, hence never made illegal, and so there are no police archives and only a few medical accounts that discuss the “treatment” of lesbians. But even these, published by Arzamas, demonstrate only the vaguest discussion of the lesbian community. And when it came to the intelligentsia, lesbians were exoticised and not taken seriously — after all, they were not seen as a threat to traditional patriarchal ways.
>The Russian Orthodox Church was generally more lenient toward same-sex relationships than the Catholics. Sodomy was an even broader concept: unlike their Western counterparts, high-ranking Orthodox clergymen were less concerned about sexual relations that did not lead to legitimate offspring than about gender norm violations. The latter included, for example, situations where a woman took a dominant position during sex. Same-sex anal intercourse was punished in the same way as heterosexual adultery, while mutual masturbation or fellatio was considered a minor transgression. Interestingly, Bishop Niphont of Novgorod, who lived in the 12th century, considered lesbian sex between two unmarried girls a lesser sin than premarital heterosexual sex.
heh
the poles would be utterly fricked (again)
>on Moscow
They won't even notice lol. All manly posing goes mostly from rural morons
t. lives there
>t. lives there
I am genuinely sorry anon, I went there once. I was not great
>I was not great
What did you do? Pee in an alley?
I meant to say 'it was not great'
No, just stayed there a couple of days and went on to St Pidorsburg, that tended to be slightly friendlier
Pidorsburg is great for tourism and cheap drugs, yes.
>Anon the Mildly Notable
>I was not great
Not YET.
I'm not that knowledgeable about Russia but one thing I do know is that making fun of Muscovites brings everyone together.
This is all I've gleaned about people from Moscow based on what Russians have told me
>they're gay
>they're simultaneously rich and poor because of cost of living
>they're gay
>they're haughty
>they're gay
>they talk too slow (???)
>they're gay
Yup
>they're simultaneously rich and poor because of cost of living
We have big average salary compared to the rest of puccia (around 1000$) but prices are high as well
>they're gay
Yup
>they're haughty
Definitely
>they're gay
Yup
>>they talk too slow (???)
Huh?
Yeah I dunno. I was talking to a girl from Vladivostok whom said that and another Russia who was around said "Hahaha that's true!" I dunno. Maybe just some weird eastern Russians.
NTA, but it gets called the moscow drawl sometimes in English.
They overextend vowel sounds which leads to the "talks too slow" complaint.
Thoughts on St. Pidorsburg?
I went there and loved it, very nice museum
Shit didnt read thread
Get cubed, c**t.
I believe it.
Oppenheimer would get a sequel and Hollywood would jiz itself to death.
>What would change.
The buttsex would become consensual on the receiver's end.
If diversity is our strength then wouldn't we be making Russia stronger by giving them more diversity?
Assfricking would become consensual, but the amount of it happening would not change
Is Russia the most closeted gay country on earth
Russians aren't gay. They have relationships with women (and sex with men).
Yeah? Well I got news for ya, DAT means ya GAY
nothing?
What did Russia blow up this time?
Golf carts full of their own mobiks
Gods you're so pathetic. And as it turns out not very much. Unless this piece of road is an SBU HQ lol
Russia would learn about consent
>What did Russia blow up th-ACK
Less rape perhaps?
Nothing
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
would
lord have mercy
sauce
no way this is a dude
zero male characteristics
He's very good at hiding it. Look at the way he brings up the leg in the side profile to hide the lack of female hips and create more of an ass, then when he starts to face straight on he crosses his arms to pull in the shoulders which would make his maleness clear as day if he were standing straight. This shit is why they pass so well online but rarely do so in person, or even just in candid photos. They can't control the angles at which you see them.
boys can easily look like slender girls and vice versa, just travel through the Far East sometime
he's also naturally fine-boned, watches what he eats, arching his shoulders to push out his chest, and probably wearing a padded and push-up top
Just gonna cut to the point.
Sauce?
guys I think a gay bomb dropped in my pants
Exhibit C
Exhibit D
Exhibit E
Exhibit F
And lastly Exhibit G, for "Gay".
tl;dr
Russia is Gay.
For more information, check out INT(h)E(bowe)L SALIVA G to learn about how HATO is penetrating into Ourqueen!
>Exhibit G
Wait a sec.... is this armpitchairgeneral webcam leak?
Who to call but the veh-deh-veh
The twink turned basic blonde girl is a guilty pleasure of mine
>gay bomb
Didn't they develope one during cold war?
Less male on male sex
>Drop bomb
>Putin inhales some of the gay falout
>Seen taking wiener from a circassian BVLL 20 minutes later
>The gears of Russia's prison culture begin to churn as its public knowledge that the president is a bottom
>Thirty-way gang war larping as a civil war
>PJOTR YOU ARE BAD SOLDIER, YOU MUST BE PUNISHED!
>NO SIR NOT THE ANAL SEX PUNISHMENT!
>SORRY PJOTR, BUT THIS IS JUST HOW OUR PROUD RUSSIAN CULTURE WORKS.
>I UNDERSTAND.. IS NOT GAY, IS PUNISHMENT ;_;
>AND A *unzips* ALIEOOOP! PLOP
>AAAAAAAAAAH SO MUCH PUNISHMENT!
*gay bomb drops*
>OH SIR, YOUR PUNISHMENT.. IT IS OF SO BIG
>YES PJOTR MY DEAR, ACCEPT THE CULTURAL PUNISHMENT FOR THE UNBEHAVINGS SOLDIER.
>PUNISH ME OF HARDER SIR!
that.. is what would happen.
>gay bomb drops
>normal Russian punishments no longer become punitive
>discipline of elite Russian army is broken
Diabolical.
I really wish this would be two cute eurasian femboys, but we all know it's sadly gonna be 2 alcohol fetus syndrome fugly grugs.
Oh, you found that doujin...
Sauce?
You can't make russia gayer that what they are already.
What if they just turn to jeffree star style gay.
>Hates gays harder
>Garish colors and rhinestone studs everywhere
At least it wouldn't be so gray and dark. But in turn it'll look like it snows in palm springs.
Weren't the red army troops mostly peasant farmers though? You'd think that would make them rather physically robust
except they were malnourished peasant farmers, and famine only got significantly WORSE in the USSR after the invasion
The US would have one gay bomb less
The buttseggs would be consensual.
>Russian society as they know it would collapse overnight
Ftfy
My sexuality.
They might become better at warfare, any change could improve their capabilities at this point.
The only /k/ related post in this thread..
What the frick does any army even use these mentally unstable men larping as women for? At least some moron Vatnik can shoot a rifle in the right general direction and then force Ukraine to expend ammo killing him. This thing is probably just collecting a paycheck doing nothing.
Wouldn't trannies make better soldiers than actual women though.
>Mentally unwell (and thusly less likely to get moral complications from war and stop killing).
>Male's build and physical capacity due to growing up a dude.
>Chance to look like a chick in some ways. Maybe not perfectly, but in war you make do.
It might make them acknowledge the concept of consent but who knows they're a special kind of gay. Maybe they just become open gay anal rapists instead is the other side of the coin.
Literally nothing, somehow they have a 3% troon population to the US's 2%
2% is the bullshit "self identified" number. The troons that actually take hormones are like 0.3-0.4%
I'm fairly certain someone already did something like that, maybe a thousand years ago.
Is this why Russian porn has so much anal? You can frick a woman as though she were a man
Same as before except they kiss after assfricking.
>If the United States were to develop a "gay bomb" and drop it on Moscow, what would change?
Russians would simply stop trying to find excuses and justifications to frick/rape each other in the ass, and just come out as gay already.
pretty sure not much would change. they'd be unusually tolerant to homosexualry but assrape and the general subhuman cruelty of all kinds would still be ubiquitous
No, that would only make Russia more powerful, like trying to fight the giant living fireball in the Fifth Element that expands when you shoot it.
In Russia, gay sex looks for you. People are bullied for heterosexuality. The bullies beat you then say "haha what kind of gay doesn't sleep with his platonic Bros" and then they kiss each other.
The communists violently de-Christianizing Russia also had the opposite effect from what was intended. They didn't enter the era of progress and reason. Instead Russia fall back to the Neolith. Russian cult of WWII is a form of a neolithic ancestral cult. It is thoroughly cleansed from any Abrahamic values and centered around the worship of the dead. If a trad complains about gay in reference to Alexander or the ancient Greeks you know he's a worthless dilettante and a total fricking poser. Go back to your worthless videogame forums you witless illiterates.
>IF we dropped a gay bomb on Moscow
bold of you to assume we didn't do that already
Somehow they would end up less gay.
nothink
Now i understand why Russia is truly incapable of improving.
It's God punishing them for being gay.
A bomb is a bomb. US directly using untested weapons on a Russian capital and largest city is a strict evidence we are at war. The fact it was a rare kind of a gravitational bomb means the AF managed to establish air superiority over Moscow. Losing air superiority over Moscow during the ongoing invasion is definitely an existential threat that should've triggered a nuclear response long before the bomb could've been dropped. Considering our army kept the capabilities at this stage means the russian nuclear response couldn't happen or didn't cause significant damage, so russian nukes are off the table now and we are in a culmination of winning the war.
The greatest change I'll see will be a wave of "3 Natashas for 200$" deals at Costco. Also I expect a significant decrease of zigger quantity and increase of zigger ass posts quality after all these events.
Natasha'd have to be eleven for me to take that deal, given the HIV pandemic in Russia
Even larger percentage of AIDS. Also, a sharp rise in Overwatch stream donations and players.
Rape
Frottage.
Just feed them all corn-based products grown with Atrazine and in another generation, they will all be trans.
TOTAL AMERICAN EMPIRE VICTORY
>he can't win a war vs the poorest nation in europe
>winning vs america isn't something he can even fantasize about in his wildest dreams
>so this is what he does instead
pathetic