If I had to defend a small boat in the middle of open water against pirates, what would the best choice of weapon be? I was thinking a Savage MSR 10 but honestly I don’t know shit about guns. It would have to be precise at a longer range than most defense options so I figured that would rule out an AK or similar. But it would still need to be maneuverable and semi automatic in case close range was needed. I honestly don’t know anything and it was just a hypothetical I had and wanted to know what your answer would be
Bunp
Not going where pirates go. You have no reason to sail anywhere near Africa, Asia etc so don't do that. Water looks the same everywhere and there is no magical firearm that's going to give your tourist slidethreading self an advantage. You don't even own a boat. Stop being twelve.
>reee dont be by pirates
Its a hypothetical I have no idea why this triggered you. I was just asking about guns because I was curious. Also I do own a boat it’s nothing special but sailing is a really fun hobby if you’re looking to waste a bunch of money.
>water looks the same everywhere
Im guessing youre from a flyover state if you can say this something this moronic
>You have no reason to sail anywhere near Africa, Asia etc so don't do that.
You are in for a wake up call if you really think pirates only operate near there.
You have a chance of finding pirates on every major maritime route unless it is being actively patrolled.
>just ignore the main privilege of having freedom of mobility having your own sailboat permits you
>simply give in to terror and ignore what you want to do out of fear
ok homosexual
M240, pintle mount. Dumb thread.
I'd have said M2, but yeah, it's literally just "make it take any effort at all to board you".
Youd want something that can sling lead in volume because you're not making precise shots. Id say some kind of heavy .308 semi auto and a shotgun with buck/slugs for closer work would give you plenty of dont frick with me energy.
I had the same thought thats why I suggested the savage msr 10. It takes .308 or 6.5. 6.5 probably better in wind but if im just popping shots at a moving boat id reckon the difference is negligible. Feel free to correct me if im wrong on that though
The biggest difficulty is hitting the pirates before they hit you, since you're both in moving waters. Ideally you'd have a mounted MG but I've heard of crew buying AKs just to spray it in their general direction to dissuade them and then discarting it once they reach a big port.
My first idea was also a precise semi-auto but volume of fire seems to be better.
Very good point. I considered AK. I was thinking semi because its crazy expensive to (legally) buy a fully atuo AK. But its an open hypothetical so maybe just a full auto is the better answer. I wouldn’t pick a mounted MG tho because it seems less maneuverable
>because it seems less maneuverable
Black person it's the ocean, they aren't going to be flying over your head or dashing around to the other side of your boat
a mounted machinegun is IDEAL in naval combat, nothing else is worth considering
you need a large volley of fire, you're not going to be taking precise shots while waves are rocking you around, and the stress of 10 somali pirates coming straight for your ass a nautical mile out is going to have you shaking and shambling like a fricking zombie
>or dashing around to the side of your boat
This is unironically what pirates do. They take small fast boats and use them to board slow ones
Ahoy there matey, ye'll be needin yerself a bombard cannon I hear. One fat ball to stove the pirates in, like.
Grapeshot is your better option. Or chainshot.
t. former tallship gunner
modern pirates attack with at least two speedboats and machine guns, if you try to fire back they will turn you and your boat in a sieve
Yeah in reality it would be a pretty moot point. Probably just best to eat one yourself rather than risk bleeding out for hours. Ive heard some wild stories about how risky cruising the carribean used to be when cartels used boats back in the day. Shit like that is exceedingly rare like that today tho. Theyve been forced to go over land through the Darien gap
>using guns against a boat
A drone with a brick of tannerite gets the job done. You barely have to aim, just zip it over and try not to ruin the salvage.
Creative answer. I know even less about drones than i do about guns. I know racing drones are crazy fast but if you attached a couple of pounds of payload to them how maneuverable are they these days? Now that you mention it im kind of shocked ive never heard of drone attacks. Youd think one of these psychopaths would just drone in a pipe bomb rather than shoot up the place. I guess they have death wishes tho so no use trying to apply logic to the situation
>Uvalde and the Illinois Mall shooters had the exact same kit
The killing is a means to an end, it needs to be done right to illicit the correct social response.
Yeah i guess the news coverage and dying a martyr that everyone will talk about for a few weeks is the goal. But i cant see how you’d possibly get caught if you just zipped a drone with a bomb into somewhere. You could do it dozens of times before they tracked you down if carnage and not getting caught were your goals. I guess were lucky they want to be caught? Thats kinda fricked up to say but its true
'Elicit' is the word you want, fren.
>every thread about 'what gun should I buy on /k/
>answer is always 'get a AR 15'
>people are actively ridiculed for wanting anything else
>'All these people using AR's in their shooting? Must be a glow op'
At least for mine it's purely because of how customizable they are. You can get a nice heavy barrel with radiator fins, a good bolt and BCG, a binary trigger, and all sorts of other goodies that would be helpful for lighting up a skiff with as many mags as possible.
six flintlocks and a cavalry sabre
Why don't you buy a hand cranked Gatling gun in some modern caliber. Like .308. mount it well on your boat and those pirates won't be able to compete
All on my own, with just one weapon, against multiple vessels? While at first I think I'd want something automatic, belt fed in anything 7.62 for distant engagements, maybe an M240, if I'm being attacked by multiple ships I'd have to reposition often, so a pintle mount with can is pretty unrealistic; forcing me to haul around a full can and navigate a belt for loading on a moving ship. Being a bit too unwieldy, maybe taking the next step down with a bipod and
box would let me reposition and reload more quickly. However, thinking about it, I don't think taking a box would be wise as I'd either be contending with technical frickups for larger boxes, or have to slap in a new belt every 100 rounds or so, giving the pirates an opening to charge within close range. Another step toward lighter and faster reload would be an AR in 7.62 NATO with bipod and making the choice between reliable 30-rounds or risking taking drum mags and just dumping the ammo in case of a malfunction. I think in the end I'd take the AR with bipod, optic and drum mags for maximum, manoeuvrable and consistent firepower. That, or I would count a trio carronade of triple-barrel 6-pounders loaded with grapeshot to be a single weapon and it comes with the added benefit of producing its own smokescreen to blind them as I reload.
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The rest of these answers are stupid or memes
6-pounders are gonna rock yer boat, laddie!
hmgs, launchers, or antimaterial rifles
idk why youd use anything less than .50 cal
The issue is that anywhere you'd sail where pirates would be an issue (Caribbean off the coast of Central America, West Africa, Red Sea, etc), you wouldn't be able to dock anywhere without losing the firearm to the government in the first place.
So instead, you have to be crazier and more desperate than the pirates. Wire up a switch that goes down to your keel. When they board, do your best crazy eyes and tell them that if you take your finger off the switch, the 500lbs of explosives in the keel will kill all of you.
You can have guns in America pal
I know you can. I'm American. But I also sail as a hobby and this discussion comes up a lot. Bahamas, Cuba, Panama, Jamaica, Belize, etc. aren't going to be happy to find out you have guns on board during your jaunt through the Caribbean. Sure you can hide them, but I think you're much more likely to eventually get caught out by border control than you are to run in to a fisherman desperate enough to turn pirate for a bit.
You can have guns in international waters too. Just dont be rubbin up on peoples coasts youll be fine
Most people who sail around the Caribbean occasionally get out of their boat
But there are Black folk there
Anything that has more protection, range, accuracy, rpm than then enemies. If the enemy is somlies on khat you can take a rifle an a few mags. If the have rifles you use an mg nest etc
First step is stay out of pirate waters. Next have a POWERFUL fricking motor and a hull it can actually be safely used with. Sailing is great until you have to be anywhere fast. A gunfight is not what you want on a vessel that sinks when you poke holes in it.
Personally I'd take two guns. A good long range hunting rifle or better with a good clear high magnification scope and bipod as well as an AR built with a focus on firing lots of bullets really fast with vary little down time, 40 round mags minimum. Something that can do LMG shit while not being a true proper LMG. Alongside that a large black powder suicide charge with a timer. The scoped rifle is ideal for if you've spotted them early, especially while in doldrums, this is your "leave me alone if you want to live" gun. The AR is the "Oh frick! Pirates!" gun you use to hose the skiff down. Arm the suicide charge if you think you might still get boarded and captured.
Assuming you can actually get a legit machine gun and afford to feed it too I'd go with a pintle mount or remote turret GPMG. You will immediately have a range and firepower advantage. Habib Mtumbo isn't going to expect that on a small civilian boat like the sailboat in your image. If you can get the remote mount set up you don't even have to expose yourself to use it. Put a remote gun and FLIR rig on the very top of the mast and you will see and be able to open fire on them long before they can fire on you.
Long as you stay in international or US waters a black powder muzzle loading cannon is something you could probably actually have aboard. I DESPERATELY want to see a proper ship of the line run out the guns then warmly greet some Somalis with a full broadside of grapeshot and chainshot.
only a shotgun on the high seas for me
for the poop deck pump and dump
an m240, PKM, or other equivalent. You cannot hit a man on a boat in motion on open water from another boat in motion on open water. You could buy a savage axis and it wouldn't affect your chances that much because the accuracy of the rifle being used is not a significant factor in this equation. Volume of fire is the only thing that can save you.
One of these mounted onto your boat.