If an intruder breaks in and all you have is a shotgun would you bother protecting your ears
Do you keep earplugs near your guns
If an intruder breaks in and all you have is a shotgun would you bother protecting your ears
If an intruder breaks in and all you have is a shotgun would you bother protecting your ears
Do you keep earplugs near your guns
Electronic muffs in the nightstand, shotguns are ~10dB quieter than rifles but still well above damage levels, worse in confined spaces.
Unless I have one of those electronic ones like mentioned, I wouldn't, if for no other reason than I'd need to know where the intruder was, and I wouldn't be able to accurately determine that with earpro on.
>bUt iT'S yOUr hOuSe, aNoN?!
No fricking shit, I'm also going to be dosed up on adrenaline the minute the glass or door breaks, and I'm not going to be thinking about the tactical layout of my floor plan, I'm going to be thinking "Find unknown person. Create former person."
>shotguns are ~10dB quieter than rifles
No
~155 v ~165 The internet is free act like it.
Source those numbers please 🙂
First result on your search engine of choice. I think mine was the firearmsforum or luckygunner.
Yup, that's what I thought. Actually check next time.
Got a link?
>internet is free
Black person no it isn't, you just don't pay the bills
>cant even figure out how to go to McDonald's
I feel bad for you.
He's right anon, shotguns are generally quieter than rifles.
Wasting time putting on earpro and other shit for home defense is fricking moronic. Webm related, 7 seconds elapsed between the door being kicked in and shots being fired, during which time you'd need to get up out of bed, get your gun, and orient yourself to engage. The last thing you want is to waste that limited amount of time messing with other shit.
Not everyone lives alone in a cardboard box
Most people do
>b-but it takes an attacker longer to get to the room I sleep in in my parents basement
Most all houses I've been in put bedrooms down a hallway off the main living area not significantly farther from the door than in that video and wouldn't change much. If anything you might end up with less spare time to mess with other things if you want to post up and cover the hallway effectively.
If you live in the USA, 99% chance you DO live in a cardboard box, you wiener sucking american. Is your house made of concrete? Do you pay an ever increasing """"""property""""" tax? Frick you.
My house is brick and so is all my neighbors houses?
Are you asking a question?
Maybe?
Euros just never shut up god damn. Make your own site please
Do you even own a gun? We all know the answer
>Webm related, 7 seconds elapsed between the door being kicked in and shots being fired
Right but you posted a poor person with a flimsy door. This doesn't apply to me. My doors cannot be "kicked in" you'd need a battering ram or an explosive to enter, and even then it's going to take you quite some time. My security cameras and motion alarm would pick you up before you even touched my door and I'd be waiting with earpro and a plate carrier on already when you did inevitably get in.
I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but just because you are poor doesn't mean everyone else is.
So what you're saying is that your putting on extra shit is irrelevant because no one is going to be entering through your door in the first place. Why do you think you're relevant to this discussion?
>Why do you think you're relevant to this discussion?
Because if you're not moronic you can fortify your entrances in a way that no one is kicking them in without equipment and even with said equipment it will take awhile and make a ton of noise. There is zero reason to have a flimsy door. Even if you *must* have a flimsy door there are very strong security bars or ground slabs you can install that require your door to essentially be broken to pieces before someone can enter your home.
These kinds of things are generally under $100 so if you have a door that can literally be kicked in by a human foot it's your own fault poor or not.
Anon, no one is doing a home invasion robbery on a house that they aren't getting into without tools. If your home is secured to that extent, then what you're reaching for to defend yourself is completely irrelevant. If there are still ways they can enter without tools, then you're back at square one with everyone else.
BadgeBlack folk use tools to invade homes all the time.
Anyone putting in the forethought to do more than basic smash and grab shit is going to have cased the place and made sure no one is home.
BadgeBlack folk break in specifically for the occupant.
>Anon, no one is doing a home invasion robbery on a house that they aren't getting into without tools.
You're making too many assumptions here. All I am saying is if you reinforce your entrances you have time to put on earpro when you grab your gun. Reinforcing them is inexpensive. Yes, a thief may just give up when they try to kick in your door and it turns out their foot isn't enough. Or, they might think you aren't home and try a window after they fail at the door. Breaking in through a window takes a significant amount of time, especially if they already wasted time on the door.
If the thief is determined they can get inside, but if you took proper steps getting inside takes enough time for you to be well prepared by the time they are in.
A wise man once said that you will know you've truly secured your entrances once the walls around them start to look like weak points
Probably. A major point of hardening your home is to deter them because it’s not worth the effort. But I view it as a way to buy time. Giving yourself another 10 seconds let’s you orient yourself and get hearing protection. There’s no reason not to if you can
>because no one is going to be entering through your door in the first place
How else are they getting in? Climbing through windows that are over waist high, have bushes in front of them, and have security film on the back? That’s not quicker and not quieter than trying the front door. Most people don’t have their doors reinforced so they are trying that. Climbing through a window adds a lot of time
This. In confined spaces even a single 9mm can give you EEEEEEEE for life so I always keep earpro on my hd gun
no because i cant hear the direction sounds are coming from good with that on
Why would I need earpro when I'm going to use it as an improvised club
Might as well use a machete at that point
redpill me on machetes vs clubs/batons
Interesting stuff to read from the years of cops beating dudes up. Pain compliance and all that. Machetes can stab and draw blood even if you're shit at CQB so that's a plus to them.
If you can swing a club, you can swing a machete. The machete is harder to grab or block and even a glancing blow to a limb can be fatal to your opponent if swung with club-like force
>Do you keep earplugs near your guns
Yes but my entrances are fortified enough there's really no scenario where I don't have time to throw on a plate carrier and earpro before an intruder breeches my home.
People on /k/ seem to get really angry when I mention this since I guess you all live in trailer homes or other poorly constructed abodes that take 5 seconds to break in to. Realize not everyone is as poor as you are.
9mm, 5.56 and most 12ga loads are all 160dB to 165dB. Frequency of the sound does not matter, you will damage your hearing, especially indoors, regardless.
You won't go deaf, but you will lose the ability to hear some higher ends of the spectrum. After the initial shock when your hearing returns you probably won't notice much of any difference unless you shot several rounds in succession with no hearing protection.
Losing your hearing all together with one loud boom is fiction. Sound is pressure and anything with enough pressure to totally blow out your ear drums is likely to kill you.
Losing your hearing is accumulative; it's something that happens over time. It's also subject to a ton of variables, an easy one to understand is a really loud noise happening once is not as bad as a quieter, but still loud noise happening continuously (think like a rock concert).
Fact of the matter is if you like to shoot you will experience hearing loss. Yes, even if you shoot outdoors, even if you wear adequate ear protection, you still experience hearing loss.
Another misconception is that going from say 100dB to 110dB is linear... that is that 110dB is just +10dB louder than 100dB. In fact it's exponential by an order of magnitude, e.g. 110dB is actually 10x louder than 100dB.
Honestly in any situation ear pro is important. Surefire EP4s are great in-ear pro and have these small channels in them that can be left open so you can hear regular speech but blocks gunshots. It's magic. And they're like $15 too and have 24NRR. Add those under some Howard Leight Impact Sport with 22NRR and you have a very effective (and inexpensive) setup with great protection.
Thanks for reading my PSA, you only get one set of ears and you can't get your hearing back, once it's gone it's gone.
I used to shoot a lot with no hearing protection when I was younger. I still occasionally get tinnitus which is very annoying, but I can still hear mosquito tones well into my 30s.
This. Growing up I never saw anyone shoot with any ear protection. I wear it now though, and no one ever shot anything indoors.
>Another misconception is that going from say 100dB to 110dB is linear... that is that 110dB is just +10dB louder than 100dB.
But ... it is +10dB.
Logarithmic scale
the joke is the dude in the pic is from a comedy skit where a man is perplexed that a kilogram of steel weighs the same as a kilogram of feathers, in which he says “but steel is heavier than feathers” anon is making a similar kind of joke in reference
This. I've always had this irrational fear of losing my hearing since I was a kid so I always double up on ear protection when shooting. Set of foam earplugs and some ComTac VIs. What's cool is that they have an earplug mode which increases ambient noise volume without decreasing protection against loud noise.
>rotary hammer louder than chainsaw
?
>Surefire EP4s are great in-ear pro
I second this. Use them for work and range days. No problems with comfort or ears ringing.
I keep ear muffs near all my guns
No, just clench your jaw like you are popping your ears and hold for a few seconds.
Fingers in both ears, aim by balancing it on one foot, fire it with my throbbing erection.
Pistol with suppressor on the nightstand, no need for ear protection.
*fump*
*fump*
*fump*
*fump*
No dog barks, no neighbor wakes up. Just dispose of the body and nobody will be the wiser.
Tell me you're nocans without telling me you're nocans.
WHAT?
Depends on how its setup. If its subsonic and a good suppressor it is really fricking quiet.
Even 125dB indoors is still really god damn loud, dude. Stop parroting bullshit you have no actual experience with.
It's really not though. In a true life or death situation where many on here are already on the fence about wasting time with ear pro at 150+, I'd bet that virtually none would still waste the time with it if faced with this situation and actually had a suppressed gun in the 120s. You're not going to cause any major damage from very short duration with that (and yes, having spent a decade + in car audio, I know what thats like and higher in a closed in space).
The other point that was mentioned previously is also important - you're not going to be sitting there for half an hour mowing down enemies with your belt fed. The most likely scenario (in the already extremely rare chance that you actually get into this situation) is a handful of rounds. Absolute worst case scenario is a full mag. At that point the bad guy is either dead, seriously wounded, or long gone. They're not going to sit there trading fire just to try to get the small amount of cash + valuables you have.
Everything you said is a completely different topic than what you are replying to. Yeah if you have a suppressor you aren’t using ear pro. That’s the point of them, to make guns hearing safe. No one claimed you’d do both in HD.
However, 125db is still loud even if it doesn’t cause hearing damage. It’s not movie quiet like the first guy claimed. It’s louder than thunder or an ambulance siren.
No. Suppressors making centerfires hearing safe. They don’t make them quiet. It’s still above 120-125db
Not him, but I agree with his point.
I agree that Hollywood quiet is a meme outside of very few calibers, but a good can still makes for a significant sound reduction.
To the main point of the thread, its more than quiet enough to forget about ear pro. Plenty of people here on the fence about using it at a wide open 150+. At 130-, I'd bet the number of people that would still consider wasting time with it would drop to near 0 - especially in a true emergency situation.
To his other point, if youre not in a building with shared walls, I could definitely see it not waking the neighbors. Theres a lot of volume to dissipate the pressure in your house (filled with soft surfaces to absorb sound), through your wall/insulation, across open air (likely at least 20-30 feet unless you're in a major city - a space likely also filled with white noise from the environment), then through their wall before it hits their ear. In the 120s-130s at the gun, theres not hardly going to be any sound pressure left by the time it gets to them.
Likewise anon, except mine is an AR with .22 conversion loaded with subsonics. Yes I do plan on shooting a home invader 30 times, how could you tell?
Yeah idk about him, but mine is more of a knack than a fump.
As someone who has shot hundreds of times without earpro in hunting situations, and 2 times inside a home in aelf defense situations...in a high intensity moment you wont even notice.
Anybody you see saying that horse shit about "if you shoot a gun even once inside without earpro you have tinnitus and hearing damage forever"...they are obviously a homosexual redditor who never has and never will use their gunz outside of a ~~*range*~~
Its the biggest indicator someone doesnt know a damn thing about gunz and enjoys drinking gay Black person semon
this
i have tinnitus from doing all kinds of shit + going to concerts, but my hearing itself is still 100%, often better than most people. one or two blasts in your house will not do anything substantial if anything at all to your hearing with the exception of ringing your noggin for a minute.
stop being pussies.
>life or death reaction time needed
>caring about some hearing damage
No, you stupid homosexual.
any glasses that wont break earpro seal?
Get inserts for the ear cups, they make them with a notch in the top for glasses
D-do you guys not sleep with comtac 3s on?
They aren’t gunna make it
this is why you yell "Halt!" while racking the shotgun authoritatively
I can't speak for indoors shooting but I am pretty sure pistols cause more hearing loss than shotguns when shot outside.
Source: I have some hearing loss from shooting pistols.
Life over limb, acquire threat, turn threats skull into mulch.
>If an intruder breaks in [...] would you bother protecting your ears
No. If a stranger breaks in then my life and the lives of my family are on the line, some hearing loss is an acceptable price.
>he doesn't know about the miraculous wonders of steroid injections in the ear within a 2 week period from the gun use
Shiggy diggy, tinnitusimps.
earplugs?
No, this shit is moronic. Even if it mattered and there was no advantage to hearing your attacker approach, I have permanent tinnitus anyway. It's not that bad and comes and goes, your brain eventually mutes it now and then. A little .357 snubby won't make it any worse from dumping 5 round.
i've blasted an ar15 indoors no hearing protection.
i was okay after a couple days and the ringing mostly stopped. stop being pussies
No, as long as you make sure to shore things up before the police show up and ventilate you, it's a non-issue. At this point there is nothing you really can do to 100% prevent them from doing it. You could handcuff yourself on your front lawn and they still might.
No. I want to savor the sound of their screams.
Keep electronic earpro on a hook close to your HD gun.
Or better yet, suppress your HD gun.