If a modern firearm manufacturer made a modern gun that did this, it would be an AOW, right?
So why hasn't anyone? The success of the Taurus Judge proves that there's a market for it.
If a modern firearm manufacturer made a modern gun that did this, it would be an AOW, right? So why hasn't anyone?
>it would be an AOW, right?
>So why hasn't anyone? The success of the Taurus Judge
the taurus judge isnt an aow
aows are extremely unpopular
compare something like the sebru super shorty to a mossberg shockwave
being an aow is a death sentence and thats not even considering how expensive and complex it will end up being
Because tooling up to make a new gun is expensive, the market for such a gun would be rather small, and NFA items can't be imported for sale on the consumer market so it would have to be made in the US. IIRC the Lemat repros have been out of production for a few years now as well because they really weren't that popular.
>IIRC the Lemat repros have been out of production for a few years now as well because they really weren't that popular
they are very popular, but expensive at around 1k each. they always sell. Pietta makes 6 variants of it but there was a gap in production because the coof really hurt Italian manufacturing.
>they always sell.
no before westworld that shit sat and was more than 1k
also pietta has been making lemat revolvers since 1985, so they must make financial sense. Pietta and uberti have cut down their percussion lines to just colt's and Remington's so if the lemat survived the cuts it'll likely survive for some time still. it also gets a lot of exposure in westerns so it retains interest. IIRC it's been in westworld, red dead redemption, forsaken, gunsmoke (that was a actual lemat though), the quick and the dead, cold mountain, jonah hex, john wick and one of the punisher movies.
>it also gets a lot of exposure in westerns so it retains interest.
Because it fills the role of "I want this character to have a deagle brand deagle, but we're doing a western."
I assume OP is talking about a modern version that takes cartridges, not a muzzleloader.
Making a close copy of the original revolver would never sell. It would be an AOW, and that fact alone makes the market tiny. There's also the problem that the cartridge version is ugly as frick compared to the percussion model, and there is also no off the shelf shotgun shell that would work in it. So, there's also the need to either resurrect the long-dead original cartridge, or to create some new one. And this new cartridge will have frick all for applications because it's too short to contain a meaningful amount of shot or a decent wad. It will be useless for hunting, clay sports, etc.
Practical solutions might be:
...make the central barrel a muzzleloader while using cartridges around the cylinder, now it's not an AOW and you can load a meaningful amount of shot in it too. Or perhaps make the central barrel rifled rather than a shotshell. IIRC there is some historical precedent for that as some Lemats have the central barrel rifled. But then you're still trying to find a short, fat, cartridge to use in it.
What if you had a LeMat modern reproduction which is double action, 8 shot, chambered in 32 Caliber and had a .410 underbarrel?
>and had a .410 underbarrel?
If you mean a real smoothbore .410? AOW.
If you mean the cheat bullshit that the Taurus Judge uses then that would be just a normal handgun. But the problem is that a .410 shell is far too long to load.
Here's what I mean about the shell length problem.
Look how you load the shotshell in the cartridge model. It has to be a really short stubbly little fricker to fit down in there:
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Now the carbine model, IMHO, is ripe for a modernization. Due to its length there are no AOW concerns. Also due to its length it would be practical to redesign the shotgun barrel's loading mechanism, perhaps have it unlock and slide forward for loading, sort of like an M203. Now it can take standard shotshells of whatever gauge you want.
>NFA items can't be imported for sale on the consumer market so it would have to be made in the US
there's plenty of US manufacturers out there, and foreign companies that have manufacturing here.
>tooling up to make a new gun is expensive
granted, but honestly if you accept that as an answer you'd come to the conclusion no guns would get made ever. Guns get made, even guns with a laughable market, therefore that's not enough to explain it.
it sat because it was expensive. Hell I'd own one now if it wasn't expensive and I don't even have any black powder shit.
>even guns with a laughable market
Give an example.
this stupid shit is a gunstore wallhanger
>anon posts something that would reasonably be cheaper than a Lemat designed to handle model pressures, and with a wider market since it isn't an NFA item that will sit at the gun store for months after you buy it before you can actually take possession of it
explain why a five dollar transfer is a fricking dealbreaker
>you'll have to wait
homie please no one buying something like this is doing it because it's their first gun and they need one now.
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but he's right, AOWs are a hard sell. Honestly I love them. I collect shotgun pistols, AOWs, and SBSes. You would think they'd be more popular since the transfer is only $5 instead of $200 for everything else NFA. But no, he's right, not many people want them. I've seen rare ones sit for ages listed for $500 without a sale while other guns of comparable rarity that aren't AOWs are selling for thousands of dollars.
Part of the problem with AOWs is that they're the same amount of hassle as an SBR/SBS outside of the $5 vs $200 tax stamp, and I think a lot of people step back and ask why they'd go through all that hassle and not pay the $195 extra to have an option of putting a stock on whatever they're buying.
Part of the problem, IMHO, is that any sort of NFA item tends to be more of an "advanced" gun owner or collector thing. And once you're and "advanced" collector or owner there's probably lots of other guns competing for your time and attention. Right now there's a couple AOWs I want to add to my collection. I can afford them, and the wait--while annoying--isn't stopping me either. It's just that I'll never save up for the really nice guns on my wishlist if I keep nickel and diming myself with smaller purchase, so they sort of get forgotten.
>I collect shotgun pistols, AOWs, and SBSes
you unironically sound pretty cool to hang out with
what are your favorite AOWs?
My favorite to shoot is a 20ga Ithaca Stakeout. C-More M26 is pretty fun too.
And while technically not AOWs, I also like bigass black powder pistols. I suppose it is more accurate to say I collect "hand cannons" rather than AOWs. AOWs are just one flavor of that.
>homie please no one buying something like this is doing it because it's their first gun and they need one now.
Except the reality is that most people usually build up a list of cool guns they'd like to own, and it comes down to
>cool gun that I can take to the range today, or next week if buying online
vs
>cool gun that I won't even be able to take home for months or maybe even a year depending on how many other people are trying to buy NFA items right now
The wait time is absolutely a problem for NFA items.
what's AOW mean?
Any Other Weapon. It's a category of NFA weapons alongside suppressors, short barreled rifles (SBR), short barreled shotguns (SBS), machine guns, and destructive devices (DD). AOWs include "smoothbore pistols" as well as guns that don't look like guns, like umbrella or cane guns.
They transfer for only $5 instead of the $200 for the other NFA categories but have the same bullshit with fingerprints, photographs, and a long-ass wait.
so this whole thread is some US legal shit?
Still costs the manufacturer $200 to make one, which is enough of a deterrent with how low their margins are in the first place
I'm curious exactly how that works. You're certainly right that an individual has to pay for a $200 stamp to build an AOW on a Form 1. I've done that myself. But does it work the same way for manufacturers with the proper FFL and SOT? The reason why I ask is that I bought a Super Shorty years ago when they cost about $500. I have a hard time believing that Serbu could even sell them for that price if they had to pay $200 for each one since they were already paying for the base 870 or 500, extra parts, labor to make the conversion, and profit on top of that.
Yes.
Sounds about right for selling at just above cost
FFL 07/02 (Class II Manufacturers) are exempt from the tax when making NFA items.
>it would be an aow right?
Based on what?
The Lemat doesn't fire fixed shell shotgun shells, muzzle loaders aren't covered under the NFA
Basically, you're fricking moronic
Did you miss the part where he said "modern gun like this"? That implies cartridges. Now it's an AOW because it's a smoothbore pistol.
>implying implications