Hi PrepHole, I need your counsel
So the situatation's like this -
My grandma's dipshit next door neighbour keeps feeding these stray cats, amassing a fleet of around 30 nasty frickers which he doesn't neuter, treat or train.
The beasts keep terorrising granny's house cat, shitting in her yard, ruining her garden plants, pissing on outdoor furniture, u get the idea.
She lives in a one storie house with no effective way of fencing the perimeter of her garden.
Said neighbour won't comply with any polite requests on our part and it really is getting insufferable, so I need to take matters into my own hands, prefferably in a minimally violent manner, but either way something HAS to be done
What are your ideas to get them off her area?
My bad for the long winded post btw
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So you've already talked to the neighbor and gotten no where, have you tried asking animal control? Depending on where you live there's a possibility that there are restrictions on how many animals someone can keep around. Check with the city or county or the HOA if there is one.
Failing that mix some poison in some tuna or something. Put it out at night, and somewhere where the neighbor can't see the cats eating it. Don't do it repeatedly, try to spread it out so the neighbor doesn't suspect that someone (you, the person who is complaining about cats) is intentionally poisoning them. If you're dead set on not killing the cats, and you can't get outside help, you're going to need to catch them one by one with a wildlife trap. Take them somewhere to neuter them (you might be able to get a bulk discount) and then drop them off as far as away as you can. Again, do all of your trapping and transport with as little visibility to the neighbor as possible.
Whenever I know someone killed a cat, especially in a painful way, he gets in a special list of mine.
He won't know anything, I will just another meek person to him but his quality and expectancy of life will be greatly diminished. He will catch nasty diseases and he will wonder why at one point he finds himself into a severe case of lead poisoning, things like that.
cringe
cats are invasive rats
You "invasive species" idiots are such pussies. Just say you don't like cats, stop whining like a six year old.
they should all die yes (and so should you)
they're worse than the chinese, i have killed 3 with coyote traps so far but they're light enough that sometimes they don't trigger
Cool. No one cares.
youre speaking from emotion, not logic
humans are the biggest invasive species that hurt wildlife the most
have a nice day and help solve the problem
Yeah and so are the mice that they hunt, Black person. Not everyone enjoys having parasites in their brain from consuming mouse shit like yourself. And before any homosexuals chime in with the toxoplasmosis schizophrenia, i don't touch cat poop as my cat is trained to go outside where she has free reign to exterminate all pests on the property. Seethe.
Poison kills mice too. Stop trying to justify cats. You have no life and no frens so you become cat lady.
So you willingly contaminate your own property with toxoshits AND you still have a constant vermin infestation?
LMAOING at the cathomosexual logic on display here
you wont do shit Black person.
cats are pests and deserve to be dispatched the way wild rats are.
Do you have any friends?
Anon, cats are vermin. Toxoplasmosis carying immigrants from egypt. They need to be exterminated.
Sounds like you already got toxo.
mix liquid tylebol into their food
you have to kill them. passive deterrents do not work - pest control websites and animal rights groups advocate TNR and passive deterrents because killing feral cats makes them feel bad. fair enough, but unfortunately TNR has never been shown to work - ever - and no passive deterrent (smells, textures, physical barriers) ever impeded the cats in my neighborhood. i made do because they only targeted my flowerbeds, and then one day they shit all over my vegetable garden (completely enclosed, they had never entered to my knowledge before) and the gloves came off. all told i killed 12 cats. 11 were trapped and destroyed out of town with a shotgun, but one cat was too clever for the live trap so i had to shoot him with a crossbow while he was eating from a big pile of fish i left out in my yard. i kept his skull since he gave me such a hard time and buried his corpse under where i planted my peppers. i haven't seen any cat activity all summer until a few days ago a large cat passed between two houses across the street and triggered my neighbor's motion sensitive light. i'll keep my eye out for cats and if they start coming back to the neighborhood the culling will resume.
poison is effective but is indiscriminate. i briefly considered that but most of my neighbors have dogs (everyone on my block and the street behind mine except for the cat feeders. everyone who moved in that didn't have a dog previously got a dog to keep the cats out, from a few conversations i had). in case poison didn't immediately drop the cats i had to live trap and kill them outside of town - a poisoned cat might have tipped off the cat feeders that i was up to something and i needed plausible deniability as the cat population declined. they know i hunt and one of them made some probing comments to me while i was gardening trying to feel out if i was the source of the vanishing cats, but with no evidence i could just shrug, lie, and be left alone for it.
follow this anon's advice
trap the cats one by one, and then dispose of the corpse
the only people complaining about killing cats dont even have any friends
dont listen to the advice of friendless pet obsessed losers, just slowly get rid of all the cats
fricking based im gonna start trapping and killing these frickers for shitting in my garden
anti-freeze
this. soak a bunch of canned tuna in anti-freeze and leave it out
I like cats. Please don't poison them, OP. It also may be illegal based on your jurisdiction.
I hear that ammonia scares them away.
He did ask if he should, or a way that was legal, or moral.
He only asked how.
I hope you slowly burn to death you fat fricker
You’re heading to jail with this, animal cruelty is a crime (and investigated).
>using poison
Man, I hope you two aren't the environmentalist type, you're going to wind up poisoning anything that eats the cats' corpses as well.
Thsts why tylenol is good cat poison
Its not that toxic to other animals
The main component in antifreeze is ethylene glycol which is likely to have fully metabolized into oxalic acid and oxalates by the time the cat dies. Both of these metabolites are not toxic and can be found in a lot of vegetables and herbs.
The only problem with antifreeze or any other poison for that matter is that you might end up poisoning unintended targets. Use with care.
>oxalic acid
Is toxic, anon. There's worse stuff out there, and it has a "safe dosage", but it's still very much toxic, especially in the levels you'd find in something that had consumed ethylene glycol.
>inb4 what about the vegetables and herbs
Contain very low levels of oxalic acid, and anyone with kidney problems are typically advised to avoid those foods.
homie don't bullshit me. Oxalic acid is toxic to even humans in sufficient quantities. Which isn't much which is why you gotta cook most edible weeds.
Like OP, you should have a nice day. You WILL get brutally raped one day. So have a nice day now before it happens.
this. don't listen to the other pussies replying
you gotta break eggs to make an omelet
I like this idea, but do you know of anything that would be more torturous and kill them slower?
there are always cat rescues around, you have three options.
1- trap them yourself and bring them to your local shelter to be fixed and adopted
2- call your local animal control
3- call your local independent rescue
I had cats and just called some rich lady who was crazy about cats, she brought me 4 traps and any time I caught a cat id leave them on my porch and she'd come get them and bring them to the vet then foster and adopted.
Don't just kill them, not their fault they are just being cats.
This is the best option and most practical. Loads of places will let you borrow their traps and will gladly accept feral cats and neuter them.
Shit, one charity near me does this and then gives away the nasty bastards as barn cats for free. They make it very clear that they are feral, will make awful pets, and should be kept outdoors in a barn like area for mousing or whatever. The kittens can make for decent pets, though.
They're an invasive species of pests. Feral outside cats are nothing like the nice indoor cats that you're used to. They destroy the local ecosystem and spread disease.
Don't be a pussy, OP. You're just doing pest control.
Why not? Do you imagine cats won't ever die if you fail to kill them? Grow the frick up. Getting shot etc is quicker than slow death by disease.
CATS DIE. You cannot stop kittehdeath.
>not their fault they are just being cats
You can't excuse poor behaviour like that you utter fool. Do I really need to spit out the most obvious Hitler related example to show you how terrible your reasoning is?
Holy frick only sane people itt
Please please please try trapping and working with local rescues first.
There's no reason not to try before you just start killing them. It's always worth trying to adopt them out
Oh look a socially well-adjusted anon.
OP try doing it right first. Talk to a local shelter and/or the county's conservation office first. If that doesn't work, try trapping them yourself or with the help of some neighbors. Escalation of force as needed... shooting them with a BB gun would be both fun and disperse the colony, without being significantly inhumane.
Just don't poison the kitties. That's just dirty to be dirty. Only gays who are afraid of doing a deed themselves use poison. If you're going to kill an animal, do so with accountability to yourself.
don't let the door hit you on the way out
blessed poster
>kitty feeding shed with a trapdoor
>hose inlet somewhere at the bottom
>connect to the CO2 cylinder
>a few days of free feeding the frickers to make them comfortable
Shut the frickers in and add CO2 slowly, it is good for their photosynthesis. Once they are sleeping and happy, dispose of discretely.
Bonus points: while they are still warm and bendy, shovel them onto her roof across the fence and then flood her windows with 5,000 lm light for a minute, then blame "UFO cow abductors", you know. UFO is a legit stuff now, back on the menu.
have a nice day homosexual
>dispose the corpse
Theoretically in a minecraft server that has rules against hurting cat mobs and is populated by catlover morons how would you do this? This is a joke question btw, haha.
Lava. Maybe make it look like a zombie got the cat. Or just dig several blocks deep.
Garbage bag out the window on the freeway/road
i conveniently had hunting property about 30 miles from where i live. i would take the cats there, walk into the field, open the cage and shoot them as they came out. the cat i shot with my crossbow in my yard i buried - vegetable gardens are good cover for a small corpse like that. my peppers are doing well with his decaying remains buried under them. no one ever asked questions with the garden, or maybe my neighbors think im crazy enough that its not worth bothering me. if you have nosy neighbors or cat lovers nearby that are recklessly feeding ferals and... sensitive... to their disappearance, conceal your traps - you should be putting them somewhere where there is enough cover that the cats wont be spooked by them anyways. i have enough cover and shrubbery in my back yard that it was very easy to hide my live traps. i did get asked once by one of the feeders on my block if i noticed the cat population declining but concealing my traps, only transporting trapped cats in a concealed trunk, only moving trapped animals very early in the morning, and politely lying through my teeth was enough plausible deniability that i wasn't asked more than once.
>open the cage and shoot them as they came out.
Would've said you're based outside of this sentence. Removing a pest is one thing but taunting an animal before killing it is psychotic. Shoot it in the cage and be done with it.
But wouldn't that ruin the cage?
i didnt want to destroy the cage
correct
?
are you stoopid
22lr will blast a cat dead in the cage and do no damage as it comes out.
22lr ratshot is even better, no exit, no mess, shoots cats dead from up to 5 feet away
we had a federal animal control come out and trap/kill a wildcat once that ate a few grand in livestock and that's all he did, 22lr to the chest done ez
no. i will take your word that 22lr would be fine and consider it for future culling, but my shotgun worked fine so i hardly see the point in changing my method now
then you have a dirty cage
better shoot it out of the cage, no cleaning needed
you get so hung up on shit that doesn't matter to the rest of us
I'm "hung up" on the potential for you to either miss completely or wound the animal and then somehow it gets away and suffers for the rest of its life.
trapping and killing animals is fine, making them suffer is Black person behavior though
so far i have not missed. no need to worry.
Confirmed for not shooting many cats. 22lr works, but rarely with one shot, even with a head shot. The whole "cats have 9 lives" thing is kind of a real thing. They are tough critters. Every cat I've shot with rimfire has taken several rounds and at least 3-5 minutes to dispatch. Every dog has gone down immediately, even with a lung shot. Shotgun is the way to go if you care about humanely dispatching them.
call city bylaw, no way this is legal
keep calling until they send an officer to threaten her with a fine
take pictures and videos of them feeding the cats, keep a journal of how often it happens
I'd firstly tell them you're about to do all this and give them a final warning
Trap them and give them to a shelter like the other ppl suggested, don't be a hero and become famous for "that guy who killed lots of cute cats"
also, how the frick is this DIY? type your sob story into google or chatgpt next time, moron.
>so I need to take matters into my own hands
No need to take matters into your own hands at this point. First try animal control. At least that way you avoid getting put on a list.
Also, it avoids you having to live with granny to keep an eye on neighbor cats.
>First try animal control.
Typically animal control has to abide by trap-neuter-release. While the ASPCA is far less cancerous than PETA, they have engaged in a very, very aggressive lobbying campaign to standardize TNR as opposed to culling. Trap-neuter-release at best only works when an entire municipality no longer releases inconvenient un-neutered cats and are proactive about 1. not feeding the cats and 2. trapping the cats. since it is difficult to meet those requirements it is far easier to trap and kill than try to change the behavior of your town. its not the cats fault - they're just doing their natural thing - but they're invasive, harbor diseases, their excrement damages the soil, and the genuine good will of people feeding the cats exacerbates the problem. they have to go and culling is the most efficient method of removal. a culled cat no longer hunts or defecates or reproduces. a cat run through the TNR process ceases reproduction, but still hunts and poops, and in males due to the reduced testosterone from neutering, increases the likelihood than an un-neutered male will move in to mate with available females.
We started with a colony of 30, and are now down to about 3-4 cats on our block. Including the crazy cat lady. I put up notices and got volunteers. I found that it wasn’t just cat lady. There 4 other people feeding the colony. They became our biggest Alliies. We got most of them with two nights of trapping, but trying to get the last few cagey ones was a chore. The cat feeders were great. They used this ACME cartoon looking box on a stick , and pull the rope kind of thing to get the last few. It sucked for a little while, ok now. I see one orange one that roams out house and the two next t9 it. Sometimes there is a gray one that scoots into his turf.
But yeah. TNR does seem to work.
We also found the city gave us s9me money to pay for some of the vets.
if you hurt the kots I'll backtrace your IP and feed you your own dick
My father's old trick was to wire an insect zapper to a bowl of wet meat in a plastic bowl on a floor of aluminium foil. Those cat's never set paw in his yard again.
cats have little to no object permanence think agile toddler, cats knock things off tables because they are testing gravity, cats are naturally curious so any snare should be good. growing catnip will make them closer to a frog.
>Cat knocks down lamp to observe gravity
>It floats up instead of falling
>Cat has existential crisis
how were the cat and the lamp seated on the ground in the first place
Knowing the little c**ts they'll simply stare wide eyed for a while and then go scratch something else
Cats absolutely have object permanence. If you roll their toy underneath or behind something, they will know it's there and attempt to retrieve it.
They are very curious though.
If you live in Europe
%27sWorkshop
Just post the address and “免費貓肉” on the door of some Chinese restaurants.
You ever think of growing catnip somewhere OP to take them elsewhere? Like lure them away? https://a-z-animals.com/blog/discover-10-smells-that-cats-absolutely-hate/ or a sound maybe? I would honestly just shoot them with BBs. It'll be fun, they'll hate coming by you and you can catch them. Bonus if you shoot their buttholes or tails. You can also lay mouse traps elsewhere with cat food. I'd just do the BBs it's the most fun to me and it'll keep your grandma sharp.
Normal person response.
First off, call the local health/animal authority. It's almost 100% illegal to have a colony of 30+ cats, and they can get him to quit feeding them.
Trap them, take them to the vet to make sure they aren't microchipped/someone's pet, and then call the local animal shelter. They will take them in, and if they're sociable, then they can re-home them. If not, they can humanely euthanize them.
You have to get the guy to quit feeding them though. Otherwise the problem will keep re-occuring.
bullet is very humane
BB gun to the abdomen. Keep doing that and the colony will stay away from your place.
Borrow a friend's dog. Big and aggressive. Next question!
You don't need big and aggressive. My small and most friendly dog enjoys hunting and killing cats even though she doesn't look like catch a cat let alone kill it.
You would trap mean strays with a live trap then gas then in a oil drum connected to car exhaust.
>Said neighbour won't comply with any polite requests on our part
Airgun or BB gun and start plinking
I love cats, but outdoor cats are a scourge and kill most of the local wildlife for fun. They need to be purged
+ pointy diablos :^)
JSB Hades are the best pellets for killing stuff. That or Polymag.
Ignore your neighbor. Call animal control and tell them there's a colony of feral cats on your property. They'll take care of the rest.
Bowling balls, milk, and a mortar.
http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm
A dog.
I live in a fenced place with 16 buildings of 16 apartments, the cat couple on the ground floor had 12 cats, they moved out and COME BACK TO FEED STRAYS. Fricking morons.
The janitor was a ruthless poorgay so when he was told to solve it i don't know what he did but 30 cats became 2 or 3 in a week.
Sling shot with rubber pellets, they’ll get a clue very quickly. They’ll talk to each other.
You're a monster. Why would you torture a cat? Just shoot it properly and kill it quick.
Thus anon gets it, .308 all day
Peppermint oil is toxic to cats. They dont like it too much
conibear traps and 5 gallon buckets, or if you're queasy - construct a roofed pen that allows for entrance only, check daily, leave cats in there for a week, but corpses in garbage.
google "scaredy cat plant"
(Coleus caninus or Plectranthus caninus)
trap the cats and release them elsewhere, they will be so scared that they will not try to come back.
Or you can pee in that garden, i know that it may seem stupid, but cats(and other animals) will see this as your territory and usually wont try to get close to it.
There is a protocol for this and probably the government will pay for this I dunno
https://www.alleycat.org/our-work/trap-neuter-return/
I would say build a large walk in cage for your granmas cat with a nice warm hutch in it, so it can be outdoors without being bothered by these other cats.
You have to trap and neuter them all so they stop breeding at least or you'll be overrun. I would avoid going down the road of poison or anything next thing you'll accidentally poison your grandmas or another neghbours legit cat or dog.
>give to Chinese takeaway or African cookout
>*lips and chopsticks slap together*
Do what a White person would do
lots of toxo infested anons here...i pray for them
pray for your colon after what your uncle did to it
lmao why are catgays so angry
they are possessed by parasites
no, how does a grown man become so enraged by a turd in his garden? how can someone see a purina ad on their television and slip into a shitposting mania.. Is that suppose to be normal?
If it's not wildlife then it's banned from my garden. Simple as. Cats are a pest raised by subhumans that endanger actual wildlife.
strays barely do shit to wildlife, especially the well fed ones you post. compared to snakes, rats, spiders, foxes other birds as a collective. you're really just quoting some hippie lie that's based around a autopsy picture of a giant Australian wild cat (taken in summer)
see
fecal matter from MOST predators is not safe to use as fertilizer. You think if cat shit was ok as fertilizer you wouldve heard about for years now. Newsflash - it isnt. This means that if you that shit breakdown that area is now unsafe to grow edible food in.
here it's legal to kill it with bow and arrow lol
bump, i have a neighbor who lets multiple cats out who are doing the same shit. tempted to shoot one of them but that will lead to troubles.
Use some food in a Hav A Hart trap and shoot them in the head with a silenced air rifle.
My dad had this problem. He put out cages in his backup with food. Then he loaded them up in his truck at night and dropped them all off about 20 miles from his house. Takes a few trips but if you’re moving 5 cats at a time you can clear them all out pretty quick without hurting them.
plants tulips EVERYWHERE
op's next thread will be how to deal with rat infestation
poison isn't the answer. if your neighbor won't stop inviting more cats. not to mention cats smell like shit when they die and you'll have to bear through that smell for weeks.
what you need to do is talk to your neighbor. convince them to stop feeding cats, then shut your doors and windows so they can't come into the house to feed. don't leave garbage in the open. they'll leave eventually.
i had to dispose of a problematic cat once and it wasn't fun. i dissolved sleeping pills into food and gave it to them. i had thick gloves and a box ready to trap them. even when they got dizzy and couldn't walk properly, i had to catch and restrain them into the box. it bit and bloodied my hand, causing nerve damage on my index finger that i still feel to this day.
.. a fence?
Black person, climbing shit is the #3 thing cats are known for.
Call the local Chinese takeouts & let them know the area is full of strays.
Flammenwerfer
spread cayenne pepper around the perimeter of her property and flowerbeds
You will need to physically restrict access by putting spikes on fences etc.
>What are your ideas to get them off her area?
Coyote
My neighbor does the same thing but the difference is she thinks she's feeding cats but she's actually feeding raccoons and now my backyard is a toilet
People who feed wildlife (other than small birds) just so they can look at them eating and feel good about themselves should be stripped and flogged publicly. Frick them for introducing a rapidly increasing population of trash that will literally shit up the place severely.
If they gave an actual shit about wildlife well being they'd bring them in their house and suffer the consequences in isolation and personally.
Mark your grandpa's territory with some strong smell so the cats will learn that it is already occupied (your grandpa's cat is surely neutered (kek) so he can't do it himself). You - or your grandpa - will have to spend a few days to manually scare the cats away before they learn.
Ignore fricking psychopats who are always happy to devise new sadistic methods to kill the animals.
btw, a broom is enough of a weapon to shoo the cats away.
Cats come into conflict all the time. Any territory marked with smells or whatever are just temporary measures until the other cats probe it again. There are no passive permanent solutions as some other anon said here.
>sadistic
What's the least sadistic method to kill a cat then? Guy trapping and shooting them seems to be the quickest least painful.
>There are no passive permanent solutions as some other anon said here.
correct. physical removal is the only way to permanently prevent a problem animal from continuing to be a problem. you can physically remove them to another location, ideally to be adopted - but feral cats are typically not able to be resocialized. you can physically remove them to another location, far away, but that just makes them someone elses problem. or you can physically remove them permanently by culling them. then they are no one's problem.
>What's the least sadistic method to kill a cat then? Guy trapping and shooting them seems to be the quickest least painful.
their deaths were quick, except for the one that i shot with a crossbow. that was pretty metal.
Kill her neighbour so nobody can feed the cats.
Now we're really going for the source of the problem. Couldn't you trap them and let them out really far away in some forest? Without a phone I'm sure they'll be unable to get back.
>Couldn't you trap them and let them out really far away in some forest?
i hardly think of culling feral cats in terms of 'humane' and 'inhumane', but being torn apart by coyotes is a grim end, even for a pest.
nvm i can't read. if he's lucky the coyotes will rip apart the cat feeders
this was what we used on the farm for all the strays the city slickers kept dumping on us
we used to have a redbone coonhound mix that absolutely loved killing the stray cats near our property. he'd run them down, bite onto them behind their front shoulders, then absolutely shake the shit out of them. you could hear their backs breaking from a distance. then he'd happily trot down to the stream and drop them in the water. oddly, we had a housecat that he was very protective of.
Cats absolutely hate white distilled vinegar and thr smell of citrus. Spray it undiluted in areas where they all hang out.
Put up some super bright 4,000 lumens lights, they hate those too because they can't hide.
the neighbours cat use to always follow my cat around and attack him whenever he tried to come outside and in the end i found that solid rubber .68 balls from a paintball gun can be a very effective deterrent
Mein /k/amarad, you just gave me what I (not OP) need to start my holokots™ this weekend : I have an old paintball gun somewhere from my teenage years...and I didn't thought about that !
Gonna secure my reich from those parasites
As an owner of two wonderful cats, that's not the same shit as feral ones. Do what must be done. All I ask is to make it quick.
Sodium fluroacetate
I would find some way of quietly killing the other cats.
I don't know how available the stuff is, but NZ is using special cat-recognition poisoning stations to spray some sort of toxic compound on cats that pass by. The cats get sprayed, they clean themselves off by licking the poison off their fur, and then they go off and die somewhere. The poison is minimally damaging to other organisms because it ONLY gets sprayed on the cats and they clean it off themselves and metabolize it internally.
Personally I'm a cat lover, but feral cats are a scourge on the environment, no different from blackbirds or cane toads or Black folk.
>Cat dies after licking itself
>Other animal eats the poisoned cat
>Other animal dies/suffers from poisoning
Poison is like gas in the open, you can't really control who gets it in them.
Lead Dead Redemption is the only "humane" way.
Do you have any info on what type of poison they're using? What is this miracle chemical that makes them die some time after they licked it off their fur? Sounds very practical.
Break into the neighbours home and poison his cat food supply. He will be the one killing all the cats.
Why do these threads always attract all the sadistic weirdos who gloat about shooting small animals with shotguns
It’s the same on /k/
It's called pest control and there is nothing weird about it, we've been doing it for centuries.
10k years ago, the worst of us seldom made it far outside of the womb. all sorts of things conspired to bring them to an early demise - accidents, disease, vicious predators, other tribes. things that are by and large rare today. modern man looks at pain and suffering and death not with clear eyes as simple facts of life, but rather with great apprehension, something to be ignored except when its impossible to do so. they project themselves on the dead animal and whisper to themselves "that could be me!". ten thousand years ago, it probably would have been.
Just shoot them with a pellet gun.
If you get caught shooting BB guns at cats your life in that town will be over. Theres three groups of people that every strata of society loves to pick on and its pedophiles, animal abusers and women abusers (in that order).
get those cats trapped and neutered, work with animal control and local rescue groups.
Its probably going to take a while to get it all managed but it's way better than having to explain to every future employer why you have animal cruelty charges on your background checks.
shooting bb guns at stray cats isn't an animal cruelty charge.
it's different in australia
feral cats are such a problem that there are bounties out for cat skins because they are literally the best hunters in the world
they kill everything
cats kill everything and need to be controlled
Holy shit, Americans are insane, no wonder you have so many shooters
cats are wicked creatures and 30 is an absolute pack. Op is in the right