But can someone who knows more about masonry explain why castles aren't more popular these days? Is it a matter of finding enough bricks or how expensive bricks are? I know lots of homes have bricks but I like the old castle look Surprised people don't do it more.
I don't like that people call stone houses "castles".
Those houses aren't even a keep, let alone a castle if they can't hold up to a small medieval or ancient siege.
ie no breakable easy to access glass windows.
>I like the old castle look
be careful anon, an underage ban could be in your future
I'm 33. I own a home. I just find it surprising you don't see them used in modern architecture anymore. Everything is cookie cutter it seems.
Would you trust the hispanics that built your home to put 200 tons of stone over your head? All the guys that have the mental capacity to do something like that sit in a funko pop office and code while they sip onions late.
>All the guys that have the mental capacity to do something like that sit in a funko pop office and code while they sip onions late.
You would be extremely surprised at how dumb programmers are
Checked. Blessed thread.
You sound like a pedophile Biden supporter and nanny state lover. Imagine being scared of everything and wanting trannies to arrange your life.
You sound like a Hispanic.
someone's never been to a certain tourist attraction outside kenosha
the Mars Cheese Castle?
ayup
Dude, some asshat literally build a castle on Lake Whitney in Texas
Go to bed, Shad.
le machicolations :DDD
They are useless now.
Anyone who wants a castle can simply buy an old one.
>why castles aren't more popular these days
- the expertise in masonry is mostly lost
- there are few open spaces
- they are dark
- they're hard to plumb
- they're hard to power
- they can be expensive to heat and cool, depending on construction and size
Thanks anon. Didn't think about power and plumbing.
Why would power and plumbing be hard? A lot of castles were built with stone walls and wooden floors on beams.
We are discussing new builds here right?
>Why would power and plumbing be hard?
Because almost all commercially available recepticles, fixtures, and hardware assume stick construction.
You run conduit and pipes exclusively exposed and to floor sockets?
I didn't say impossible. I said "hard."
Some older "castles", or more apt manor houses, have been upgraded with power and water - there's been several British documentaries and tv shows that show them doing it.
The biggest drawback to a structure like that is how thick the walls have to be, to go up multipe stories - most people don't want door and windows spaces that are 6-10' deep. Building walls like that is inefficient because how little floor space you get for the thickness and cost of the walls - and heating and cooling a structure like that would be prohibitively expensive, as owners of old buildings like that have discovered.
Could one be built? Sure, if you have Elon money. For the vast majority of people, no. Even restoring an existing structure is incredibly expensive. They're just not practical, not impossible.
>hardware assume stick construction.
Except no, because we in Europe have brick and concrete walls and still have plugs.
Medical castles purpose was to be fortified against attackers. Hence, thick tall walls, small openings, sloped walls etc.
Today, the equivalent would be special military, government buildings, nuclear power plants, etc. Those buildings are made from reinforced concrete, that is way better, mailable and stronger than plain masonry.
TL;DR masonry is a troony and RC a Chad
the government would veto it.
i was surprised to learn you arent even allowed to start your own cemetery in most city's because they consider it a waste of usable land
Crony capitalists government bureaucrats clearly in the pocket of Big Cemetery.
If I had the resources, I'd love to buy some land with an old stone farmhouse ruin on it (of which there are plenty where I live), fix up the stone first floor then add a second or even third floor with jettied timber.
I go to the local stone ruins and leave my blacksmithing creations behind. Hopefully, one day someone will find them.
what kind of stuff do you leave?
>leave my blacksmithing creations behind
Not going to fool anybody. Radioisotope dating will clearly expose anything made post atmospheric nuclear testing.
implying the people finding it are scientist who will test it and not randos wholl just keep it
nice
good on ya both
Cold as frick, a b***h to maintain and really fricking expensive to build
I live about 5 miles from that castle (Bodiam).
why would you build a whole castle? if you like the look then you can just use a façade.
but then the swat team can just break in when your "anonymous" basket weaving posts are found
façades are a crime against humanity and anyone who uses or advocates for them should be defenestrated, ideally from gothic architecture.
After nitroglycerin was discovered, castles and forts became useless. It's no longer worth the effort.
*blocks your path*
This is made from blau concrete, or just simply blue in English.
The mixture had truly been lost, and I say that with complete sincerity. This special concrete mixture produced one of the most dense and strongest concrete humans have ever made. The exterior of the concrete is apparently quite brittle, but inside it's compact as hell. The locals towns these are on can't remove them they are forever reminders from a glorious past, a past where white men ruled the world. Yes, they've looked into demolishing them, but again, the concrete is so strong that it would take a literal giga bomb to take it down. Most of these are in densely populated areas, and apparently the cost and dangers involved are extremely high. I personally think they're incredible feats of engineering, and it makes me incredibly happy to know they'll always be there.
Stop spouting bullshit. They werent made of special secret concrete, They are just huge lumps of concrete in densely populated areas, making them very expensive to remove in a post ww2 germany.
You're a fricking idiot.
>why castles aren't more popular these days
Because people aren't happy with just being given food and housing in exchange for their labor, so you will be paying yourself into bankruptcy to get a castle built. Not to mention the maintenance of such a castle is extremely expensive and really requires an entire community built around it to function. It's not a single family thing.
Building codes mainly. I asked this question why we no longer see excellent European architecture. It takes a long time to plan with an artistic architect. And you will have to have specialty cuts for the framing and whatever you plan on installing. A unique circular hobbit window? Yes. Things add up in pricing as well (detailed pieces = $$$). This does not include getting approvals to proceed with the project.
You pretty much need stupid money to make a project like this into reality.
And then we have suburbia consumer farms with minimal space and privacy between residents. Pablo and the gang can make 20 homes for much cheaper labor and much higher sales in a year than an original quality home that takes at least that to build.
I wish I lived in times when no one gave a frick what you built on your land that you suddenly decided as yours. You can get away with it up to a point now. We live in times that focus on quantity sales than quality.
I have to agree with you. Castles are absolutely awesome. Having worked in construction for many many years, it is the one thing I have never had the priveledge of working on.
Carl Jung made a stone tower for religious purposes. I think he built some other structures nearby later as well
I'd rather have a victorian gothic/renaissance revival 'castle'. Would probably be easier to build with modern skills and techniques than an authentic medieval one.
>bricks
Anon, that "castle" is made from stone. Quarrying and transporting that much stone requires a lot of labour. Back in the day you could pay people starvation wages and they'd still get the job done. In 2022 starvation wages is surprisingly expensive, as the cost of food has risen a lot, but also paying starvation wages will only get you a gaggle of junkies who'll skip town on payday, taking every tool you own with them.
Serfs being paid starvation wages didn't build that, slilled craftsman that Sir Edward Dalyngrigge had built with the wealth he'd made in the 100 Years War under Sir Robert Knowles, who made a fortune as a mercenary in France. You're another tard who thinks the only people in Britain were Monty Python serfs digging mud, and nobles, when British society in the last 1300's was stratified, and 'serfdom" meant everyone under the local authority of the King, and the King owned all the land in the country. But you had everything from poor serfs working as laborers, merchants, artisans, craftsman, and everything else society needed to operate - and the skilled were hired to build defenses like that structure. The local serfs may have hauled stone, or unloaded boats with raw stone, but it was most certainly not all "starvation wages" serfs. Sir Edward was wealthy, and could afford to pay his workers. And, considering it was built a couple years after the peasant uprisings in Britain, taxes were basically capped because of the fear of more rioting, and was considered the beginning of the end of the feudal era.
Learn more about the world was actually like in that era, and not your moronic Monty Pythonesque bullshit version that never existed.
>Help! Help! I'm being Repressed
Where in my post did I mention serfs? Where in my post did I mention craftsmen? I talked about quarrying and transportation, not the actual building. Though I can see where your confusion comes from.
And yes, the top craftsmen were well paid. Everyone else got subsistence pay.
There's a historical warfare youtuber that bought a bunch of land and is building castles there now. Maybe check him out for some tips.
it's only a model.
>Look my liege!
>Camelot!
>Camelot!
>Camelot!
>Shhh!
Hey! Finally I get to share this
That was really neat.
Gonna have to visit it if I ever manage to develop a masochistic streak enough to visit California.
a big pile of rocks is probably cheap enough but someone has to stack it all up too
>But can someone who knows more about masonry explain why castles aren't more popular these days?
Tell us you researched nothing without telling us you researched nothing.
There was a modern-built castle house for sale in Travelers Rest SC about 6 years ago. I checked it out but something told me it was too good to be true. Someone bought it for like 390k and finished the house as it had some electrical problems and was never quite finished by the builder. Last I saw it sold again for $1.2M or so.
this was finished in the last few years
https://www.riverstonekitchen.co.nz/riverstone-castle
just me who thinks that looks like shit?
No, it looks tacky.
They build currently with sand-lime bricks.
big cheap stones faster to build than smaller bricks. if you go bigger then they mostly build a building from large pieces of prefab building pieces, like a whole preassembled wooden wall or concrete wall, if you want to make it in 1 go then they mostly go full concrete tunnel pours.
Tbh I want to see masonry, but nobody takes the effort to craft the stones from pure material.
People have basically given you all the right answers already but it would be incredibly expensive, hard to find people with the skills to do it and very difficult to install modern amenities.
The amount of knowledge in masonry that has been lost in the past century is honestly gut wrenching. The average mason in 2022 would have literally no idea where to start with building a castle or even a small stone house. Buildings that appear to be made from stone these days are at best built with cement blocks and then clad with stone but there is no structural integrity built into the stonework and most masons just know how to get the max square footage out of their material rather than build something that will last. At worst and unfortunately most commonly you will get a cardboard box house clad with pieces of concrete/foam that have been moulded and painted to resemble stone. Pic related.
God I hate boomers so much. They sacrificed knowledge for their paychecks.
Boomer hate is overrated. You would have done the exact same thing in their shoes.
>You would have done the exact same thing in their shoes.
This is cope
Not to mention just plain stupid when you consider the premise that traditional masonry knowledge loss in the 20th century is the fault of a group of people whose defining characteristic is having not been born until after the mid point of that century had passed, which means that they wouldn't have even been in a position to be professional stonemasons with some responsibility to future generations to preserve ancient masonry knowledge (a dubious premise in itself) until roughly the last half of the last half of the last century.
Every generation between the time of the ancients and 1946 that let that shit go by the wayside gets a pass, but a bricklayer born in 1960 who couldn't work in that field until the time of the Carter administration is to blame.
Makes perfect sense.
kek
>graduate high school
>have copious amounts of work opportunities, don't even need college
>make the equivalent of 200,000$ today sweeping a factory or some easy ass job
>full benefits
>cheap homes
>technology booming starting probably in the 80s, lots of room for rampant consumerism
FRICKING BOOMERS, USING THEIR COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO BUY COOL SHIT AND GIVE THEIR KIDS EVERYTHING THEY EVER WANTED. STUPID FRICKING BOOMERS. I HATE THEM.
>IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT MY FUTURE CHILDREN A HOUSE AND MADE SURE THEY HAD A WELL PAYING JOB 30 YEARS IN ADVANCE BECAUSE I PREDICT THE FUTURE
>IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT MY FUTURE CHILDREN A HOUSE AND MADE SURE THEY HAD A WELL PAYING JOB 30 YEARS IN ADVANCE BECAUSE I PREDICT THE FUTURE
You mean like the Greatest Generation right before them did?
tbh the older I get the more I don't think generations, age, or any of that shit matters as much as race. % of white people is the #1 deciding factor if society will be beneficial to many communities.
>You mean like the Greatest Generation right before them did?
prior to WWII people didn't buy their kids houses or get them future jobs.
people never moved out, and continued in the family business (if that was possible). other wise they were fricked.
>Every generation between the time of the ancients and 1946 that let that shit go by the wayside gets a pass
Masonry as a trade barely changed up until like the start of the 19th century, and even then the change was slow. Only in the last 50 years have building techniques got so cheap and lazy that masons have lost the knowledge that their ancestors held for thousands of years. You'd know if you were in the trade and cared about the history of the trade as well.
No you stupid Black person. I can honestly say I wouldn't have. For the same reason I can go be a money hungry and greedy piece of shit right now but not make as much, yet I don't. Why? Because boomers were literally brainwashed into being giga earners. Everything about their existence and why they are here in Earth, all revolves around money. These soulless cretins don't value anything unless it has a price tag.
>I can go be a money hungry and greedy piece of shit right now but not make as much, yet I don't. Why?
Because you're a moron. At minimum you should be doing this and investing it so you don't have to work anymore and have all bills, land, property taxes in the future, etc. paid off for the rest of your life. Then you can do whatever you want every day. Its called freedom. If you value it, likes boomers do, and you grow the frick you, you make due with the fact that you're going to have to work for a bit to get there. The alternative is of course, be a NEET and delay the inevitable while you 'find yourself' or whatever
lmao I'm gonna frame this comment and point to it every time someone asks me why I'm glad all the boomers are dead.
>God I hate boomers so much. They sacrificed knowledge for their paychecks
>t. former blacksmith
Hello anon, I had the same question many years ago as a young man. My search for answers eventually lead me to knowing quite a great deal about masonry, and this is what I've gathered so far:
1. Cost
People are cucked worldwide, and nobody has the money. And if you want another life tip, just know that ALL rich people have absolute dog shit taste when it comes to architecture. Blame it on the israelites I suppose, cause everything that's built these days is garbage. Don't believe me? Just look at modern architecture. Rich gays themselves have no taste or preference for building a stone castle.
2. Master masons are dead
Truly, the ones who built all those grand cathedrals and castles in Europe are long dead and somewhere along the line we quit learning about it. Not many people have experience with building a castle, and very few master masons would provide much help. The incredibly complex but ingenious geometry and physics was done precisely with rudimentary tools and it left a human touch to all of it.
3. Weathered stone
If we built a castle today, it'd have to be more like Neuschwanstein Castle - one with a steel frame inside and built more accordingly to modern standard. How castles looked back then we're VERY different from how they look now. All castles had a limestone layer over the stone, so what you see today is not how it looked by far. You saw no individual stone. This charming facade is all natural and cannot be replicated...unless I guess you had tons of cash. But again, rich people have no taste, remember that.
4. Poor insulation and high costs for maintenance
Castles suck if you're trying to stay warm. This is why they had fireplaces in each room. You want a home that feels nice on the inside? Then it ain't gonna look like no castle on the inside. Castles these days would be expensive to heat...very expensive.
5. Muh quakes
The more we learn about earthquakes, the more we realize "I don't wanna die via stone"
great response, are you a mason? I think poeple often think that the world only goes forward, noone realizes how much knowdlege is constantly being lost.
No, I just had the same idea you had and it lead me to learning a great deal. I have zero practical experience.
And yes, you're exactly right. Knowledge is often passed down from father to son, not learned through books and then built upon. Think of all the trades and the unglamorous jobs out there, and how many fine works were from a father teaching his son. I know it's the same at Boeing. Up until recently, the workers there would get a good job, learn everything about it, do a great job, and Boeing would also hire the guys son if he wanted. Seems practical, right? Yeah well it is, but they stopped doing that recently and started hiring $1 pajeets. Guess who's planes are falling are complete garbage these days? Yeah you guessed it...BOEING!
anything you don't understand must be easy.
Castles stopped being built when gunpowder cannons made them obsolete. There is no point spending the money on something that doesn't do it's job. The castles and keeps were never the primary residences of people, they were mostly for defense with additional rooms for some Lord to stay in. If you go l could afford or needed a castle, chances are you had a palace or estate somewhere that was normal masonry and not fortified.