I will not believe in it until there will be a war where soldiers will actually use it and say it's very good or better than M4
I will not believe in it until there will be a war where soldiers will actually use it and say it's very good or better than M4
Good morning, sirs!
Loaded with an optic and light/laser module how heavy are these things?
13LBs unloaded
Heavier than any modern weapon has any right to be unless it's a machine gun or a sniper rifle.
You weak b***h
the strongest soldier in the world can move further and faster with less weight to carry
Try working out
There are literally constant recoil GPMGs that weigh as much as the xm7.
I wonder if the army should have just gone with a hybrid case 5.56 analog but smaller and lighter, with a lighter gun - maybe MP7 form factor if the cartridge can be scaled down enough to fit In the grip, and it probably can - with a huge combat load to make up for lack of armor pen. Like 300+ rounds.
Or somewhere in the middle. High SD/low ff, heavy for caliber .224 bullets in a 5.56 case loaded to 80kpsi. Same external ballistics and armor pen as 6.8, but only a very small weight penalty over 5.56, and lighter recoiling, at the expense of tracers since the bullets would already be pushing the limits of spin stabilization.
if i use a suppressor to massage my prostate, then put said can on a gun and shoot someone, did i break any convetions regarding use of poison bullets?
>yet another thread about a weapon that 95% of /k/ will never shoot, hold, or see in person because they're all either unqualified or unwilling to join the organization that utilizes them
>Fanboys and haters alike will clash over paper stats like they're arguing about the origin of the universe for little more than a cheap "gotcha" on an anonymous internet forum
I'm sure this will be productive and that we'll learn a lot
I don't wanna argue about paper stats, even though they don't seem to be very good. That's why I'm waiting for soldiers' opinions.
There's one guy in /brg/ that has one and that's it I think?
Yeah, it is a good rifle.
I haven’t experienced any of the problems that people keep bringing up.
I didn’t know that owning one was so controversial, I just think it’s a very neat looking fun rifle to shoot.
I always wanted a Novelle Leonidas and this is basically that just cooler.
Is it 277 fury? I don't see steel base on this ammo.
NTA but to my knowledge only the full power military contract rounds are bimetallic. Civilian and training ammo is brass
No, this one is the .308. I’ll buy the Cal-X kit for it when they release it.
.277 rounds available aren’t the high pressure yet, they’re still working on them afaik.
Where’d you buy it?
From SIG
What do you mean like directly from them? As a civilian?
They have a new flagship store/range "experience center" in new hampshire that I wouldn't be shocked if they had a semi-regular stock of the things.
How much did it cost?
$4200
>$4200
The reformers were right. We need to RVTVRN back to M113's and M16A1's.
Now google how much an M110 costs
>$30,000
Bahahahah wtf is it made of gold?
Anyway, I agree anon, the rifle looks dope, and I’d love to own one for a range toy, but it’s certainly not the best option IMO for a universal-ish service rifle. We should be going down in weight and recoil, and up in mag capacity/combat load.
Also, you said hybrid case isn’t offered to civilians? I swear I saw Sig list hybrid case ammo for sale on their website Atleast a year ago.
Maybe they were but it's nowhere close to the MIL issue high pressure ammunition.
Regardless, the service rifle isn't the main attraction. The real crown israeliteel of SIG's brilliant program was the machine gun, which is fantastic. Both the SIG LMG and SIG MMG are probably the best squad automatic weapons that are available right now.
Makes the 240 and the 249 look old and severely antiquated.
Until you hold one of these guns you won't get it, it's really a fantastic rifle, I would choose this over anything to carry into a modern war, especially with the NGSW-FC.
https://www.sigsauer.com/accubond-277-sig-fury-hybrid.html
>3242 ft*lbs from a 24” barrel
This is definitely the full pressure variant, just without the EPR projectile.
>actual combat being 150 meters and within with fleeting targets and targets hiding behind cover up until the assault phase
>assault phase consisting of throwing copious amounts of fragmentation grenades and mag dumping into fighting positions and/or shooting enemies who are out of position and completely exposed, negating any benefit to having armor
>MIC: here's a magnum battle rifle with a big ass scope that lets you plink targets and pen armor out to 500 meters with reduced ammo capacity and higher recoil impulse making follow on shots on fleeting targets much more difficult
Thanks Sig, thanks MIC, thanks anon. I'm sure this will be a massive improvement that will definitely justify the weight increase, ammo decrease and higher cost associated with this rifle and subsystems.
Those videos are not real.
I find it highly unlikely that the U.S. would ever resort to trench warfare
>I find it highly unlikely that the U.S. would ever resort to basic offensive and defensive tactics
Trench warfare never went away anon. It has always remained a reality of war to this day. This also implies that assaulting into enemy positions only happens during trench warfare; you could be set up in a decentralized patrol base, a strongpoint position, a fortified building, etc. It doesn't matter.
Trench warfare only works well in 2nd and 3rd world nations because you can't make effective trenches without making it into a straight line
What the actual frick does that even mean?
I think it sounded better in
's head
It makes sense if you consider that it's designed to be used against body armor that no one but US citizens field and engagement distances that are comparable to corn fields.
Armor has always been a non issue though. They are either behind cover which negates armor because they're behind cover, or they're out of position, which negates armor because you can just shoot the other 90% of their body.
>it's designed to be used against body armor
I have yet to hear of any U.S. military official saying that
Chinks can pump out level v plates like no tomorrow
> armor that no one but US citizens field
Russians HAVE armor and China can easily start mass producing it for its soldiers
> engagement distances that are comparable to corn fields
...lots of places are this distance
With your moronic logic you may as well oppose any military development on the grounds that F-35 is gonna be used to bomb US citizens for some reason or, better yet, oppose the police having MRAPs, a vehicle literally designed for occupation forces
we have never seen data showing how effective it is against armor. there is a very real possibility that it cannot penetrate lvl IV, which is rated for a single hit of 30.06 AP. if it can penetrate plates, at what distance does effective penetration stop?
>there is a very real possibility that it cannot penetrate lvl IV
Well shit, I'd better get a few more plate+carrier combos to equip my neighbors. The best deal is easily the L.A. Police Gear level IV ceramic plates with carrier, 10% off with the code LAPGTACTICAL so my L.A. Police Gear level IV body armor is more affordable than ever! I know I'll be ready for the ooga booga - will you be ready?
Return to SMG and battlerifle
But you can't say if it allows you to carry enough ammo for war or if it's controllable in full auto
>a weapon that 95% of /k/ will never shoot, hold, or see in person
to be fair, it's also a weapon that 95% of the armed forces will never shoot, hold, or see in person
Lol. You don't need to sign a zog contract to know heavy ass gun isn't going to be fun to carry 5+ miles a day.
I don't play professional basketball but I know enough about the game that if I saw a 5'6 guy try to stop a 7 foot tall guy I'd bet the 7 foot guy would dunk on the manlet every time. You would be the moron telling me I never played in the NBA and can't possibly make that logical observation.
The next war will be designed to kill as many excess men in first world countries as possible so having an ineffective weapon fits the bill perfectly.
what should of been
> Beer can suppressor.
Lol, no. I don't care if it functions perfectly, it has the ugliest suppressor ever invented.
So you'd prefer a musket?
Not long enough for maximum velocities
>of
*have
and you're wrong anyway, that proposal should have won purely for the ammo, the rifle was mediocre and the MG was shit
>you will never shoot an XM8 civilian clone
Why even live?
>you will never shoot an XM8 civilian clone
Tommybuilttactical makes them.
He's even like 85% of the way to finishing his civ mp7 clone
just get a g36 bro
DOA
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>20 round mag
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Tf3uK2RGU2c
I mean, you can get a larger mag. I'm sure some units will have 25 or 30 round magazines.
It wont sit flat with a larger mag. It has always been an issue with .308 ARs. Anything more than 20 rounds feels awkwardly long.
>Tanks have been using caseless ammo for 50 years
>Small arms still using brass casing technology.
Surely they can figure out how to remove excess heat from the gun
A tanks rate of fire is very low compared to a rifle along with the fact that the cannon is very thick, which allows it to absorb a lot more heat compared to a barrel on a rifle. i.e. the rifle will cook off way before a tank cannon. Having a discarding heat sink has a lot of advantages anon.
>I will not believe in carriers until after I get Pearl Harbored!
good thing your opinion doesn't matter in the slightest lol
when i was in the army everyone wanted a 7.62 rifle and .45 handgun. i doubt any grunt will complain about having more firepower
it's like a defensive weapon anyway
>uses piston
ar15 unequivocally btfo
A battle rifle seems like an oxymoron of sorts. If you are constantly firing at targets 800 meters away, doesn't that imply that there is a lot of space and not much cover in the battlefield? Why not just use vehicles to assault/cover all that distance?