I want this beauty but i'm afraid of the cost and the kick (i only used a ruger in .308). I don't hunt so i would only take it to the range. Is it still worth the hassle?
I want this beauty but i'm afraid of the cost and the kick (i only used a ruger in .308).
I'd only do it if you reload. also you should get more used to recoil, itll open up more options of cool guns.
If you're affraid of the price tag on the gun wait until you find out about the pricetag on 45-70 ammo
manufactured is under 2$ a round
handloading will run you around a buck around. its not bad because its not a volume firearm
>this
You'll shoot max 30 rounds a session and you'll like it.
that's real nice, now please show me how many of those you can do a minute
frick, meant for
Says you honky
Its a great gun and the kick* isn't actually to bad. Throw a limb saver on it and it's fine for normal use.
Get a Lee loader and hand reload each shot. You will derive great joy from it honestly. Its one of those things where you walk up and crank out 2 round after cooking dinner and then you put it down and come back to it tomorrow and make 1 more and walk away and go take a shit and then so on and on.
Very solid hobby.
>Get a Lee loader
Stop suggesting this abhuman piece of shit contraption to unsuspecting Anons, you dumb frick.
Anyone who wants to start reloading can just get a Lee Breech lock, there is no reason whatsoever to try Lee Loader unless you unironically enjoy wiener and ball torture.
honestly this
I will shill for Lee 8 days out of the week but those moronic hand press things make no fricking sense when a proper press from them is like $100
The only place I could see them having value is if you live in a small apartment or something. IDK I am trying.
IMHO it's all about budget. I used a Redding turret press and an RCBS Rock Chucker when I was in college. I screwed the presses to a piece of plywood and kept it in my closet. When I wanted to use them I'd take it out and C-clamp it to my kitchen counter. You don't need a lot of room to handload.
Hey, I do that exact same thing today because I reload on an old steel desk and drilling through it for a proper mount is a pain in the ass.
I can't imagine someone with a real press who actually thinks this
>I can't imagine someone with
with arms too weak to size a straight wall case.
it's perfect for loading .45-70 you pathetic armlet.
The great thing about .45-70 is it's versatility. In an 1895 you can shoot everything from light recoiling trapdoor loads to butt stomping hunting loads. You can punch paper with a .22, so it's all about how much making slightly bigger holes is worth for you.
I am a butthurt .22-gay. Frick You and Your centerfire oliphant guns.
Most .45-70 ammo is loaded to old-school "cowboy" specs and isn't bad at all. You have to deliberately go out of your way to pick the hot stuff if you want that. It's also a wood stocked gun so it's easy to put a thicker recoil pad on it if it comes to that.
Meh, I'd never had a .45-70 load I considered a bad kicker. Just get used to it OP and yeah, buy this fricking beauty. That's pure sex.
It only starts kicking badly when you get 400gr+ at around 2000fps. Even then it only hurts at the bench.
You people know handloading is a thing, right? You could load a 45-70 with the power of a 22LR if you wanted to. 45-70 being straight walled and large bore is super easy to handload for.
I've got one, and the kick isn't bad at all. About the same as 12ga buckshot, maybe a little more or less (give or take)
Forgot to mention that I also exclusively shoot the ammo in OP's picrelated
Nah this is a beauty, also expensive
Thing of beauty? Expensive? No, it's Turkshit.
It is more effective you can unleash 3 shots while you unleash just 1in the same time
They don't fire all at once, anon.
Probably my favorite rifle to shoot and I have 40ish rifles. 45-70 has more kick than .308 but not so much that it is disruptive. It is a heavy gun so even with a decent load it doesn't kick more than a 12 gauge. Mine is an SBL that is a little longer (1 round length) and has a different sight arrangement (tritium fiber front and ghost ring rear); they are very striking guns in the look and feel department and they shoot at a quality to match.
A .45-70 does not kick that bad, even the hot ones. People who say they do are pussies or ignorant. Get one and have fun.
https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
For most shooters, a moderate 45-70 load would be the highest recoiling thing they've ever shot. You have to get into the range of .37 caliber+ magnum rifle rounds to have more felt recoil than a typical 45-70.
I am NOT saying that this is a problem, and I certainly agree that you are a pussy if you are an adult male and find it uncomfortable to shoot (especially with the big recoil pad on the Marlins) but objectively speaking a 45-70 does have quite a bit of recoil. If you took all of the guns in the US and lined them up in order of felt recoil when you shoot them, the 45-70 rifles will be firmly within the top 5% of highest recoiling rifles.
i see you can get 45-70 single shot break actions for like $400.... should I? Dare I? Its peak meme, but, a man MUST meme.
Just be aware of ammo costs. If you throw in a Lee handloader setup and some dies for $150 bucks or whatever that would cost these days, you would be in for a lot of fun while being able to keep the shots at a more tolerable 50c-$1 a shot. And the single shot will be light to further exaggerate the recoil. I'd do it.
>Now if by "moderate" .45-70 you mean "more powerful than the old Trapdoor loads but not Ruger #1 territory"
This entirely. Loads that are safe for lever actions but not blackpowder guns. Original power trapdoor loads (which still aren't really "mild" in the grand scheme of available rifle rounds EG .223) are imo very pleasant to shoot. The sound and concussion of the slower 45-70 rounds are more "thwumpy" than the "cracky" of something like a modern 30-06 load let alone something like a 7mm rem mag.
If you're talking about the Henry then yes, they are a great value in guns.
If you're shooting meme ammo perhaps. The original trapdoor loads were pretty mild: 300 grains @ 1600 or 405 grains at 1400. Recoil is going to be similar to a .30-06.
Now if by "moderate" .45-70 you mean "more powerful than the old Trapdoor loads but not Ruger #1 territory" then yeah, I'd agree.
Lovely gun, but dayum that rear sight looks primed to snap right off
>I want this beauty but i'm afraid of the cost and the kick (i only used a ruger in .308). I don't hunt so i would only take it to the range. Is it still worth the hassle?
No it is not worth the hassle
You can get a 22lr version or make that picture the background on your phone, but you'll never get your money's worth from what you posted
Sometimes that's the way it is
Why do manufacturers do that spiral-cut bolt thing? I mean is there a practical reason or just an aesthetic choice?
Less danger of the Action freezing shut in extreme conditions. Mostly looks.
Holy Mother of God...
Wait until you see what you can do with .500 S&W, or better yet .50-110
>I don't hunt so i would only take it to the range.
45-70 is a glorious round for hunting, if you wanna plink just shoot .38Spl or 22LR
If you specifically like the look or stainless or silver, big loop and pistol grip (and I can understand why) you're gonna have to wait for S&W or Marlin to make it or pony up and get .44 Special from those guys.
If you are okay with a more classic straight grip but want a silver finish (nickel, only Marlin makes stainless guns) then Henry makes 'em in 357/38 too, also 22s as well but no side-gate (tube load isn't bad at all).
Chances are Marlin will bring back the 1894 CSBL in 357 and 44 but I guarantee it'll be sold out or well above MSRP for a solid year at least whenever it drops and they haven't said if it will (but I'd bet on it).
it's got a threaded barrel, if you are worried about the recoil get a brake or a can. it's a ton of fun and makes awesome subsonics.
Modern shooters are way too recoil sensitive.
this, frankly. people just need to learn how to control recoil better so we can get more traction at higher ends of the recoil space.
They're not "recoil sensitive", it's the same ol virgins-discussing-sex problem. They don't have any experience, all they can do is regurgitate memes about muh super +P+ handloaded 45-70.
When people say "Lift more" it's half serious and half meme
Getting stronger overall makes you better at nearly everything involving your body
Getting stronger is always a good thing. You should always train to be stronger.
But recoil is much more about technique than it is about muh raw physical strength. This video is a great example. Watch these fools shoot a super high recoiling revolver. The young guys are clearly pretty muscular and are really bearing down on the grip but they can't shoot worth a damn. Watch the old man shoot. He has wimpy noodle arms by comparison, but watch his technique. He lets the gun go up instead of trying to hold it rock solid like a vise, and as a result has much better control.
I was not expecting to see Barry. Only noticed it was an IV8888 video once I saw the "Moss Gun and Pawn" and thought "wait a minute, I know that pawn shop..."
shooting on a table at the range makes recoil feel a lot worse than shooting it standing. but it also greatly depends on the rifle; lever actions are fairly light so the recoil is a bit worse and some models have crescent and/or metal buttplates. I have a model 94 in 444 marlin that weighs 6.5 pounds with a steel butt plate and calculates out to 31 ft lbs of recoil. it’s shootable and I love the gun but a box of 20 rounds is about the limit of my enjoyment
Yet another regretful side effect of the oversaturation of the civillian gun market with AR's largely chambered in .22 caliber
>polymer lever action
Ugly as frick, who is actually buying shit like this?
>what is laminate
granted, it's uglier and heavier than walnut
>30% glue by weight
Whenever I haul mine out, everyone gets a kick out of it. It's a bit snappy if you're driving 300 grainers at 458 winmag levels but if you're lofting 405's and 500's at BP velocities it's not bad at all.
>especially if they're subsonic
>picrel
It's not even all that expensive to shoot if you handload. Cast your bullets out of scrap, powdercoat if you're into that sort of thing, load with whatever appropriate powder is available (or straight up BP for the real experience) and have at it. The cases last fricking forever at low pressures if you don't crimp the shit out of them.
I bought one of these literally 20 minutes ago online. Found this green handguard/stock set and I think it looks nice. What do you guys think?
I think you'll be very happy. Good get.
>afraid of kick
I hear crocheting can be a rewarding hobby
>Afraid of the recoil
You're right, not worth the hassle for you.
anon just get a 45-70 levergun and 45lc revolver, use em and get comfortable with em then become who you were meant to be.
>I don't hunt so i would only take it to the range
there is no point then. it would become an expensive to shoot safe queen.
>afraid of the recoil
Don't be unless you're a thin manlet