I recently aquired a low-pressure 50-cal suppressor (TiON, Inc. Dragoon 500 QD), but I didn't have any appropriate guns for it. So I bought a new-old-stock Thompson Hawken .50-cal flintlock for it. Shortened the gun by about 8", added new "suppressor height sights", made a pic rail segment for possible extended eye relief optics, and other details.
I live in PA, so I might hunt with it next year in the extended primitive firearms deer season.
If anyone is interested I may share more details and photos.
gigabased. How good a job does it do would you say? I assume it's just a standard baffle stack so not hard to clean even if bp dirties it faster? Hilarious aesthetic though, love it.
The suppressor is made of entirely 6Al4V ("grade 5") titanium, so corrosion shouldn't be a concern. The suppressor is fully serviceable, just needs a 1/2" square socket wrench to remove the end cap, and then the baffles all knock out the front using a wooden dowel.
When it is time to clean the suppressor, I will simply soak the parts for a few hours in a mixture of 1:1 mixed hydrogren peroxide and 6% white vinegar. When they come out of the dip, scrub them under running water with a stainless steel brush. Wear gloves to protect your skin from the lead solution.
There were already big chunky chunks in the expansion chamber from the just 10 rounds I shot. Knocked them loose with a stainless brush and dumped them out the rear.
>from just the 10 rounds I shot
Did you record any?
Here you go. This is the Hornaday Great Plains 385gr bullet over 70gr of FFg.
I will eventually do a more formal video in the spring. Outside, well lit, with sound... show the laoding procedure, sound pressure testing from multiple points, chronograph, cleaning, etc.. This is just a prelimninary day-one video.
sickj
>the flash hole flames
wew, that's a bit more back pressure than it's used to, but it does eat up the muzzle flash!
Thanks Josh, very cool firework display, though we're a bit early for the 4th of July eh?
can we get audio
interesting how little smoke comes out the muzzle as compared to the pan
kinda like pistol powder burning smoky at light loads but clean when loaded to higher pressure, I'd imagine
What fps did you use for this?
No clue. Was a coworker's cell phone. You can probablyu figure it out by refernecing the now-visible 60hz flicker of the overhead lights.
correct
Here is baffle picture 1 of 2. There are just 16 shots with either 60 or 70gr FFg each. The layer of crud is a few hundredths thick everywhere, but at a few spots forms these odd dried-film like structures. Interestingly enough much of the corrosion "chips away" without much difficulty. There is also an interesting dried hard orange deposit all around the raised holes in the baffles. No idea what to make of that.
It seems like every 3 shots requires a few patches soaked with cleaner on a jag. I'm guessing this expensive Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine is simply soap and water... feels like I got ripped off paying $11.95 for an 8oz it. Also need to pick the touch hole with a piece of wire.
Sure seems like it does! If you watch the video, it looks like almost all the smoke comes out the touch hole instead of the muzzle.
>There is also an interesting dried hard orange deposit all around the raised holes in the baffles.
I get orange deposits in my pan sometimes. Idk what it is but it comes off just fine when I clean the lock.
>Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine
here's the SDS so you can know
https://www.lymanproducts.com/media/user/file/0/2/02937_02940_02941_02953_02983_02985_02987_butch_s_bore_shine_reach_sds_rev_1_1.pdf
so, reading this SDS, it's mostly just petroleum naptha, glycol ether, ammonia, and calcium sulfonate (soap)
so it's not soapy water, it's oil and soap, which is an interesting choice but okay
That's the OG Buth's bore shine. Totally different stuff with the noxious fumes and ability to dissolve carbon easily from smokeless powder. Also essentially lists no water, which the the Black Powder Bore Shine seems to be mostly, from my own observations.
https://www.lymanproducts.com/media/user/file/0/2/02949_black_powder_boreshine_sds_rev_1.pdf
Here is the one I have been using. It hardly lists anything, so... it may just be $11.95 for 8oz of soap and water.
>n-methylpyrrolidone
it's soap, yeah
you should get some glassware, a hotplate, and a thermometer and fractionally distill some gasoline or diesel for the pentanes and toluene and experiment with detergents
there's multiple youtube videos describing this process, hexanes and benzene are super toxic so you should burn those immediately but everything else is fine to use as a nonpolar solvent
or you could just buy a bunch of toluene off the shelf from somewhere
Absolutely in awe of this thread. Are you a machinist by trade?
I admire you friend
At least we know the silencer works, even the video didn't make a sound.
>mixture of 1:1 mixed hydrogren peroxide and 6% white vinegar.
That makes periacetic acid. It won't help clean carbon and you don't need to disinfect the suppressor.
Hot soapy water is unironically your best choice for black powder in both gun and can
No it doesn't. You just end up with a mix of peroxide and vinegar. Decent for removing lead in areas you can't reach with a brush.
>a mix of peroxide and vinegar.
thats peracetic acid
>Decent for removing lead
Yes that's why. You don't need to delead your gun until it has a problem, which should be rare if you're using proper lube and patches. You do need to get the carbon and gunk out every time, and hot soapy water is the best choice. Thus is not off the wall stuff, thus is black powder 101.
Although it would be interesting to know if the baffles in your can pick up significant lead fouling with the BP charges. Don't clean it for like 10 shots and make an inspection, post results
>thats peracetic acid
Not without a stronger concentration of acetic acid or a catalyst.
With regualr consumer concentrations ist's just a mix of peroxide and acetic acid.
>You don't need to delead your gun until it has a problem
You'll very radidly developna problem if you aren't regularly deleading your gun
The Patriot 2: electric boogaloo
Legendary fricking thread OP, you are awaited in Valhalla
shine on you magnificent bastard
Phenomenally based.
Now do primitive NODS by strapping an owl to your face
Does it change the loading procedure? Don't the baffles get powder in them?
This will get dirty as absolute frick
How are you going to load it?
How are you going to clean it?
Who cares? You clean suppressors either with ultrasonic or dunking them in CLP overnight then shooting them out not like it's some huge deal. Usually they don't need cleaning for thousands of rounds, maybe this thing needs it after a few hundred but again so what, it's a flintlock he's not exactly mag dumping the thing.
>maybe this thing needs it after a few hundred
More like only a few rounds. You will have a catastrophic failure if you don't clean religiously.
>More like only a few rounds. You will have a catastrophic failure if you don't clean religiously.
Citation needed.
>This is black powder fricktard. It needs cleaning after every single shooting session or it will corrode.
Fricking moron. Titanium has very good corrosion resistance, and burnt BP is better then corrosive primers, it corrodes simply due to the fouling attracting moisture. It's QD so he can just pop it off when done and if it's wet weather and he's really worried give it a quick dunk and it'll be fine.
>it corrodes simply due to the fouling attracting moisture. It's QD so he can just pop it off when done and if it's wet weather and he's really worried give it a quick dunk and
Nta. But this was what I needed to know. This is stupid beyond words, but not self destructive. Unless op is a poorgay.
Yeah for unburned BP the charcoal and potassium nitrate are mildly hygroscopic, latter is a weak salt too, and fouling after shooting is more hygroscopic. So it'll pull moisture out of the air, and moisture rusts steel, so that's the problem. But it's not like it's some super acid that melts barrels in minutes like some anons act. Quick wet/dry wipe can do you for a few days until more thorough cleaning and you can shoot it all you want. In an arid environment like desert or super cold winter you can get away with being even lazier. Tons of people have experimented with all this.
In OP's case though I recognize that suppressor and it's pure titanium, so much more corrosion resistant including vs salts than the barrel itself. And cans don't explode or some shit as they foul up, they just stop working well. Often recommended cleaning schedules actually go by weight, like with one of my ti cans it just says
>"weigh it when you get it new and write then down, once it's 1 oz heavier clean it"
It's a cool project not some bomb. He can have fun with it as he would any flint, the can won't be a limiting factor it'll be the easy part. Ballistol is cheap as frick, pop the can and drop it in when he does a real clean of the barrel, done.
OP undoubtedly knows all this already though.
using decent treatment should be known to any black powder shooter already
>Tons of people have experimented with all this.
yep
https://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/corrosion/corrosion.html
https://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/corrosion/corrosion2.html
nice b8 m8 i r8 8/8
Now get your shine box and frick out of here
Typical noguns redditor response.
This is black powder fricktard. It needs cleaning after every single shooting session or it will corrode.
Same as the rifle. Otherwise the bore becomes a rusty sewer pipe.
Black powder cleans with soap and water
you can use specialized smokeless powder in muzzleloaders, although maybe not this one
>durr huntin
>dirty as frick
Stop countersignaling cool shit
It's not like he's gonna be firing hundreds of rounds, so who gives a shit.
You dont know how black powder works
Enjoy a corroded sewer pipe of a barrel and muzzle device
Black powder autists clean their guns after every shot. That suppressor will get absolutely fricked after one round.
>plops down 5 gallon bucket of soapy water next to shooting bench
>yup, I never go shooting without cleaning my barrel between every shot
Still want to know how it's loaded, do you remove the suppressor every time or do you have tube of some sort to get the charge to the bottom and push it out?
can you stop spamming this shitty hypebeast meme picture everywhere?
DING DING DING
homosexual ALERT
as far as bubbas go, this one is good.
>bubba
>this
Lurk more
Nah he's right, Ranjesh.
No, he really isn't. It's just TC flintlock. They aren't old, they aren't of any historical significance, and they're all over the place today. Again, lurk more.
BP is corrosive right? Is that not an issue?
Yes it's incredibly corrosive. I don't go to bed with dirty BP guns, nor do I buy used BP barrels. The barrels are always pitted to shit from bubba who didn't know shit about black powder or the probable substitutes he was using (which are even more corrosive).
The products of Black Powder fouling reacting with water moisture is corrosive. BP itself and it's residue are not.
Don’t worry bro I wasn’t warning anon to not use his suppressor as a powder horn
Wtf...put me in the screencap
>put me in the screencap
please nd in your mouth you fricking reddit gayot turboultraBlack person
based
time to hunt down some redcoats
A "Hawken" rifle is almost a full century late to do that.
OP, Im gonna need you to put a PEQ unit on that top rail and go shoot with it with NODs, you wont.
I won't??
Oh thank God. Op is a fool with more money than sense. He might actually do it.
I-it's beautiful.
Today OP was not a gay
The spirit of the old /k/ommandos is strong with this one
You utter fricking madlad, this is thread of the year and we're three weeks into January
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :DDD
Got one more video from a coworker. This one was SMS-grade comrpessed, so forgive the worse quality than the other one. Has much better fireworks though, as the backpressure ejects everything through the touch hole. This one was just 60gr of FFg, as opposed to 70gr in the prior.
>anon has fireworks show via backpressure from the flash hole
older than I expected
I'm fricking 39. The guy in video 3 is a coworker, is about 70. Been on /k/ for just over a decade, mostly a lurker. Only post when I have something interesting to say.
I have one, but almost nothing ever gets posted to it anymore. I am strongly opposed to consuming any Google product these days. https://www.youtube.com/@joshgeho You will probably be disappointed if you visit it. There are a few old vids of the 20mm on there.
so old
frick off
>Been on /k/ for just over a decade
Ah, a fellow 2014 emigrant. Feels like we had a year or two of decent content followed a by nothing but gradual decline.
>2014
>year or two of decent content
No, that was just the death throes of the board.
>actual oldgay
>fricking 39
how many redcoats did you kill with that musket?
oh shit i was already subscribed to you??
The British won't hear you coming
dubs and OP survives this ordeal and does not join the ranks of mustard gas anon and grenade in toilet
PrepHole bros I really think we're back
Just as the founders intended
need to see this shoot under nightvision, post webm OP.
you fricking mad lad ! now the trees only whisper yankee. Redcoats? how do you respond?
holy based and moronic pilled.
how does it shoot?
How quiet is it?
Didn't test it yet. The manufacturer has a full suite of industry standard test equipment and procedures. Once the weather is nicer, we will do some formal testing. I'm suspecting it may be louder at the shooter's ear than the muzzle, due to the flash pan and touch hole. Some semi-auto guns are louder at the ear due action noise, ejection port, and gas ports on piston guns. I'm just hopin gfor 140DB at the muzzle with a powder charge that I like.
On that note, I bought a lifetime supply of Hornaday Great Plains 385gr .50-cal lubed bullets for this gun.
https://tioninc.com/product-testing/
I got a semi-high speed video of it, albiet indoors with poorish light. Will upload later or maybe conver to webm.
About the touch hole...does the suppressor create any increase in pressure out the hole? Is this a risk? Or is it ok?
For the love of all that is good in the world OP please record some footage of this thing firing; with sound. Some kind of decible meter would be awesome but not necissary. Maybe a shot without the suppressor and one with? I'd also love to see how accurate it is and wether the suppressor changes Point of Impact versus Point of Aim.
Please OP, don't abandon us. This is fantastic.
Didn't SilencerCo do this with a permanently attached suppressor on a muzzleloader so it'd be all 50 states legal? It was loaded via a brass tube that went down the suppressor to protect it while muzzleloading.
>Didn't SilencerCo do this with a permanently attached suppressor on a muzzleloader so it'd be all 50 states legal?
yes.
>It was loaded via a brass tube that went down the suppressor to protect it while muzzleloading.
THAT's how you loaded it?! Wild. Wonder if they still make them.
I'd forgotten about that, often the definition of "firearm" doesn't include muzzleloaders or pre-1900 weapons or replicas with some exceptions, so if a suppressor is integral the result is not NFA at all and bypasses all sorts of restrictions. Same as large bore high power air rifles (which can actually be pretty loud) can be integral suppressed no prob, because they aren't "firearms" legally at all.
>Wonder if they still make them.
nta but pretty sure they're officially discontinued unfortunately, too good for this gay earth. The loading mechanism in some ways was one of the more unusual bits.
>because they aren't "firearms" legally at all.
Unless you live in NJ where even BB guns and airsoft guns are "firearms" and to be legal you have to go through an FFL and follow all the concurrent laws for "firearms".
Airsoft guns are not considered firearms in NJ. Black powder and BB/pellet airguns are though.
You are incorrect Anon.
https://dep.nj.gov/wp-content/uploads/njfw/airgun_faq.pdf
"Q7. Are air guns considered firearms in the state of NJ?
Yes. In NJ, air guns are defined as firearms. Therefore ALL firearm laws that apply to
other modern firearms in NJ, also apply to air guns."
https://www.federallawyers.com/criminal-defense/new-jersey-criminal-defense-lawyers/nj-possession-of-a-bb-pellet-or-airsoft-gun-lawyers/
"Here’s the deal — in New Jersey, BB guns, pellet guns, and airsoft guns are all considered firearms under the law. I know, it sounds crazy, but it’s true! This means all the rules about buying, owning, and using real guns also apply to these types of guns.
The main law that covers this is N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1(f). It says that anything that shoots a projectile using compressed air or gas counts as a firearm. So all those BB, pellet, and airsoft guns that use compressed air or CO2 cartridges to shoot are firearms under NJ law."
Can't even raise your kid on BB guns and tin cans in NJ anymore without serious legal hoops to be jumped through.
Man. People always make fun of "commiefornia" and yeah laws there look annoying but NJ really takes the shitty cake.
49 state legal. New Jersey includes black powder firearms in their state definition of "firearm" so you can't supress them.
>bb pistols and bp guns are considered firearms in NJ
Jesus christ, Michigan used to be like this. Thankfully they changed that years ago.
What an incredibly moronic idea. Then again the people who advocate putting suppressors on everything are morons so I suppose you'd fit in.
Best thread on /k/ today
Holy fricking based. God damn imagine using this thing for HD, "as the founding fathers intended."
>Anon gets raided by GayTF
>Puffs of smoke and light from inside are the only sign of struggle.
>Entire house is filled with powder smoke as somewhere the sound of drums and fife ring out.
>They thought you were just Joshin when you said you'd be ready.
>They thought you were just Joshin
GDI Carlos, my fricking sides
OK, a few pictures. I should have taken more of the process. I'm going to skip some details and unique challenges in making this setup.
Here is the frontend of the gun. I cut 8" off the barrel, which took the front sight with it. I also had to shorten the underlug, and make some 6-48 blind drill and taps to re-attach the underlug and (now just one) thimble at the new locations. Ramrod obviously got shortened, too.
The barrel is threaded 3/4x24RH. The suppressor mount has a 0.602" inside diameter, so I left a .599" dia tenon extending past the threads. THis allows me to seat bullets much easier than if the crown was recessed inside the mount. The walls are thin, but thick wall hoop stress calculations for what I guess the steel is (4140) said they should be safe at under 0.05" thick.
how do you load it if ramrod is shorter than the new barrel + can length?
bruh you are supposed to dial in the inside of the bore not the outside of the barrel. either way you should have just taken out the breech plug and done it between centers.
The new "suppressor height" front sight is a Marble's 0.25" ramp base for flat barrels. The insert is a 0.53" tall sight with a 1/16" gold bead. Took a solid hour of fitting the two sights together.
The sight base called for 2x 6-48 screws that were very shallow. I was fearful these would break when drifing the front sight. Well, the screws tore right out of the barrel, and I had to go back and make them 8-40 instead. Much stronger.
I used Formula 44-40 for a quick cold blue of everything I cut and file on. Does a decent job.
excellent thread
requesting pictures of the side profile, the sight picture and perhaps a webm of loading or firing, I wonder how much of the sparks and smoke it catches
THIS is what our founding fathers intended! Thats awesome OP, I would think loading it would be a pain. I think if this was done with a trap door/ breach loader it would be perfect. But still, nice to see original ideas and gun fun on here other than the endless soulless AR threads.
How does the supressor effect accuracy? If at all?
The suppressor mount is made of the same 6AL4V titanium as the rest of the can. All the mounts come in a matte wet bead blast grey finish.
You can easily darken this grade of titanium. I heated the mount up with a propane torch till it was about to start glowing, then quenched it in WD40. It turns is a very dark, smokey, grey with a hint of antique bronze. Perfect luster for this gun.
The rail I whittled out of a spare chunk of mild steel, alloy unknown. The bottom has three facets at 45' of each other to match the profile of the octagonal barrel. A quick cold blue to darken it. I'm not a fan of the matte luster, doesn't match the rest of the gun. May cerakote it to match another time.
The rail is attached by 3x 8-40 screws blind drill and tapped into the barrel. The rail covered the existing 2x 6-48 screw holes for the factory rear sight which was removed. I opted to use old-timely flathead screws instead of some.
>whittled out of a spare chunk of mild steel, alloy unknown
You used a donor rail or machined from scratch?
The rear sight is a David Pedersoli "Creedmoor". It's kind of an unimpressive cheapie, but was just ~$80 instead of the 300-500 for finer tang sights.
Being made in Italy, it came with M4 screws which I did not have a tap for. I used the existing tang wood screw for the rear hole, and drilled and tapped a single 10x32 for the front hole. Drilled out the center aperture a few hundreds to make it "usable".
does it come in FDE
God bless you anon. OC content is rare as frick on /k/ these days.
nice job op
Its threads like this that make the 6 gorillion Ukraine threads worth it
>I recently aquired a low-pressure 50-cal suppressor (TiON, Inc. Dragoon 500 QD), but I didn't have any appropriate guns for it. So I bought a new-old-stock Thompson Hawken .50-cal flintlock for it. Shortened the gun by about 8", added new "suppressor height sights", made a pic rail segment for possible extended eye relief optics, and other details.
>I live in PA, so I might hunt with it next year in the extended primitive firearms deer season.
>If anyone is interested I may share more details and photos.
Actually very sensible but should only be done on a good quality new made with a good breech plug, no indian made crap. Nice one OP. Large cal BP and suppression are a perfect match but you will have to clean that sucker a lot
Do black powder guns still require tax stamps for suppressors? I know you can legally SBR them without one since they're not considered firearms.
The suppressor itself is what requires the stamp.
Once you have an approved suppressor you can stick it on anything you want.
Half right. If it's integral to the gun, you can have an integreally suppressed muzzleloader with no stamp. Kind of like air rifles, etc. but pretty rare when it comes to muzzleloaders unless you buy pic rel
I got a hawken 50 cal for Xmas. It uses mercury caps Instead of flint but still pretty cool. Pretty fun.
KEK josh you fricking madman
include me in the screencap
Fricking madlad.
I cannot wait to see you do a night hunt with this and the nods.
You realize the resulting smoke cloud will probably temporarily blind op don't you, DONT YOU?
Excellent project OP.
Make sure to paint some tritium or something similar on your irons for the optimal night ops experience.
>paint
>tritium
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium
>a rare and radioactive isotope of hydrogen
??? (I know you meant radium, I'm just a smartass and I doubt radium paint is available other than NOS)
Kek I’m dumb yeah you’re right.
Even the sights with tritium have trace amounts of the gas contained within them, as did older night vision scopes, and other optical equipment.
not that anon but afaik tritium paint did actually exist for a while, as a substitute for radium paint around the '60s. It saw some use in night sights before the more familiar glass tubes became common. I'm not sure how it worked given that tritium is usually a gas rather than a solid like radium.
>I'm not sure how it worked given that tritium is usually a gas rather than a solid like radium.
It chemicaly identical to common hydrogen, so you can create all kinds of substances when 'normal' hydrogen will be substituted by tritium. It's basically the same method llike using lithium hydride enriched with tritium in hydrogen bombs, because dealing with LiH which is a solid is much easier then with tritium in gas form.
Of course it's different components that lithium hydride that are used in night sights.
hydrocarbon wax is entirely composed of hydrogen and carbon
just all chemically bound up
you could also store it in water or a metal hydride or ammonia or whatever but
Very cool OP thanks for doing this, and thanks for sharing it
always nice to see this place can still have some good posts. thanks OP.
do you think it would be possible to combine it with something like this to be even more tacticool
can we possibly get a recording of it firing
based and screencapped
you should design a half colonial/half modern kit of military gear to wear while shooting this. im talking tri-point hat with nvgs, camo overcoat with titanium buttons. modern cam0 pants, but with fricking clogs or some shit.
please upload webm of you shooting it soon.
Please post a video of firing it with sound to gif or catbox or something
Very cool Josh, do show a video of you shooting it one of these days.
I'm out to dinner now. Have a video, will post when I get home. 1-2hrs ETA
In case anyone cares to know... I love odd projects. I'm the anon who made the home-made 20x102mm cannon, 5.7x28mm pen gun, and probably some other obtuse stuff.
you need to post more, and I need to work on the OC backlog I have as well.
bless you for doing cool and interesting things.
I remember this homosexual. Imagine anon being based twice. What are the odds on that?
As much as I hate israelitetube, you really should start a channel or something.
hey hallwayguy
Why the Nintendo 64 controller of all things?
Nostalgia?
>he doesn't know
I never had one growing up. I missed out on the 90s Nintendo hype.
absolutely moronic but I can only applaud your commitment and craftsmanship
I'm eternally stuck on the design phase on my own moronic projects because they're dangerously moronic so I'm more than a bit jelly someone out there is making and showing off their moronation
dude! where's your old video of you firing that thing? I've tried to find it multiple times for people over the years
here are three. FRICK youtube and their "shorts" bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mPGUutpARMQ
I need details on how this thing fires.
The details are getting hazy... but here's the short of it. The 20mm cartridges use electric primers instead of percussion. My understanding is that a lot of modern cartridges beyond "small arms" do.
1) The remote control contains 2x CR123 batteries in series which makes 3V DC.
2) The 3V DC is fed into a step-up converter which turns it into something higher. Let's sat 24V.
3) The current is stored in a Rubicon flash photo capacitor.
4) When an interlock switch(es) on the remote are depressed to fire, the current from the flash photo capacitor are dumped into the center ring of the primer from the insulated firing pin/electrode.
5) As the current moves from the inner ring of the primer to the outer ring the priming compound is ignited. The circuit is completed as the current passes through the outer primer ring, to the case body, to the gun receiver, to the return wire on the remote.
5) The resulting pressures of firing are contained in a crude """falling block""" action in the gun.
Neat! Thanks.
Cool
>We have nuggestfest at home.
I thought that meant it was worse not better?
dude we're the same age. I wish we were friends irl you seem cool
What else can I say on the subject now...
Oh, threading the barrel was very difficult!! There were two main problems here:
1) The barrel profile is octagonal, and I only have access to a 3-jaw chuck on the lathe.
2) The bore was not at all concentric to the outside profile where I cut it.
For problem #1, I had to make my own makeshift tool. I took a short ~3" bar of 6061 aluminum and bored it through a few hundreds more than the octagon barrel. Turned down the outside till the wall was just ~0.08" thick. I then made a thin longitudal cut so it could act as a crimping "collet" of sorts. I think lined the inside with a thin piece of copper shim to prevent marring. Was was then put in the headstock and seemed to grasp the barrel evenly.
For problem 2, the runout was atrocious. It was concentric at the 28" muzzle end before I cut it, but at 20" it was **visually** off. At least two or three hundreds. When I put it in the tailstock, the lathe would start shaking when I turned it on! I eventually managed to find a "sweet spot" by rotating the breech end in my custom collet tool until the lathe moved smoothly. Couldn't use a runout gauge because... you know... octagon-reasons.
Clever thinking on the lathe work. I miss running lathes and Bridgeport.
Josh is the only anon, other than Burt, that has earned the right to namegay.
Aaaand one last video for now. Another SMS-potato-quality video, but the angle shows off the profile of the suppressor better. This time it is a coworker shooting it.
I'll make another thread in the coming months when I get some better videos, sound pressure levels, and chronograph data.
I'll stop posting now unless anyone has further questions.
Please be sure to upboat this comment and please gib reddit silber :DDD
I love how instead of a muzzle flash you now have a miniature supernova in your face.
ok, I've got a project that involves machining a muzzle as well, could you indicate off of the rifling inside the bore? its a bit sketchy since it isn't contiguous, but there are portions that are concentric to the bore that can be checked.
Some estimated numbers from a free internal ballistics calculator for 60gr of FFg pushing a 385gr .500" bullet in this 20" gun. 1028ft/lbs of estimated muzzle energy.
Looks like I can drop it down to like 55gr for a subsonic load. Otherwise, review of this bullet cite people shooting it as high as 100gr of FFg, which might yeild 1330fps and 1513ft/lbs.
fwiw the last durr I took in regular firearms season was with just ~440ft/lbs with a Hornaday 190gr Sub-X .300blk at about 70 yards. Of course that was right in the fricking brain though...
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Well done Josh. Well done.
I don't want to shit on your parade Josh, but it's been done before, commercially too I might add.
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/09/silencerco-maxim-50-muzzleloader/#axzz8PQX7q0Uw
you are literally dropping a fat steaming greasy deuce all over his parade
the clowns are covered in shit because of you.
I am well-aware of the once Maxim-50. That was built on a much more modern firearm - a "Traditions Vortex Strikefire". That uses a 209 shotshell primer, removable breeche plug... easy mode. Suppressor was welded on and non-serviceable. Probably a cheap all mild steel suppressor. You also had to use a special funnel to load the powder and bullet through the oversize suppressor baffles.
Are you going to spot weld your supressor to the barrel of your Hawkens and then ask the AFT to remove your suppressor from the registry?
its titanium
Filthy noguns here
This is really cool, but at the same time - does it really have that much of an impact on the sound, considering that you still have the powder in the pan/through the touch hole going bang? Also, won't the flash and the powder smoke still be a big giveaway? Or is this a case where the suppression is more of a user comfort thing (could it be fired without ears on)?
>This is really cool, but at the same time - does it really have that much of an impact on the sound, considering that you still have the powder in the pan/through the touch hole going bang?
Yes, it has a major impact on sound. This isn't magic anon, most of the sound when shooting a gun is generated by the rapidly expanding gas, and most of that is going out the muzzle no matter what the design is (if most of it ISN'T going out the muzzle you have other things to be concerned about). Now sure, absolutely some designs suppress better than others, and this is true for modern guns too, a bolt action suppresses somewhat better and more easily then gas operated for example. But any suppressor will make a big difference in sound to the shooter.
>Also, won't the flash and the powder smoke still be a big giveaway?
Uh? It's a fricking flintlock anon. We're not talking tactical advantage for special operations here, or sekrit sniper poaching, we're talking silly good fun.
>Or is this a case where the suppression is more of a user comfort thing (could it be fired without ears on)?
All civilian suppression is about user protection and bothering neighbors less. Earpro can only suppress a max of 40dB or so anyway, and most doesn't get above 30. And that's with something fairly big and bulky. A suppressor doesn't have to be <120dB to still make things more comfortable, you can get away with smaller lighter earpro. And if don't live totally in the middle of nowhere it can be good to go shooting more often and at times that might otherwise cause friction.
Nta but thanks for taking the time to sponfeed nogunz, this single response might lead to 5 fewer moronic questions down the line
Thanks anon. We live in a state of eternal hope.
Thanks for answering anon, I appreciate it. You're right, I was probably taking a silly thing too seriously, apologies. I hope you have a good day.
People tell me that as a war immigrant I need to learn and adopt the board culture but I can’t do that if every thread is about the war. Finally I’m getting an idea about what this place is supposed to be like.
yeah instead of making soiface at dying Russians and Javelins and Bradleys we make the soiface at somebody putting a suppressor on a flintlock
remember that if you post a picture of your gun you need to put it on the floor, stand over it, and get your feet in the frame
Must you be autistic and shit on good things?
those are all good things though?
nothing wrong with any of that, it's just how it's done
Oh agreed. I'm all for zigger death, but not here. This is about our new based king of the morons
Can you shut the frick up, homosexual?
No u
I happily accept my new title
Eventually.
This spring I'll get better video, audio, sound pressure levels, load data, velocity, etc.. I'll be sure to post a new thread then. As much as I hate youtube, you can bookmark or get notifications on my shitty old channel refenced above.
Didn't know you were the sneed with the 249 at woodland brutality.
Frick now you got me wanting to enter with my 240......
Neat, thanks for sharing, anon.
How are you gonna clean between shots in the field? Only fire once the whole day?
Another picture of a 16-shot baffle after I chipped away some of that aforementioned dried film like structure. You can see that the fowling is already several hundreds of an inch thick. Consequently, it would probably take me 1,000 shots of .308win through another suppressor to get a layer this thick.
>chipped off
It's got to be the combustion carbon mixed with lube and etc, your gun just plastered it in a even layer all over the inside, Can't be corrosion b/c its Ti but that orange stuff is freaky
Can you do anything to treat or coat the internal parts so that all of that junk won't stick to the baffles, etc?
Here I dug up the residual 8" barrel piece. You can visibly see how far out of alignment the bore is with the exterior profile!
I did shoot 6 more rounds through it today. Thankfully there doesn't seem to be any indication of baffle brushes/strikes, keyholing, etc.. While I was cleaning the gun, I pulled the stainless touch hole insert out so I could shine a flashlight through to giva visible suppressor alignment check. Seems fine, and I have absolutely seen much worse mounting jobs!
for the bore alignment of the muzzle threads, instead of rechucking a whole bunch of times couldn't you have chucked the barrel as "long" as you could, then do all your work well back on the tailstock end of the lathe bed
live center makes sure the bore's centered
then rechuck it short to crown off the mangled sixteenth of an inch from the live center riding on the bore
>how far out of alignment the bore is with the exterior
Holy frickamoly that is bad why is that so bad?
I've seen drilled barrels from colonial times that were easily 1 thou or better all the way around, did an ape run that drill
>n-methylpyrrolidone
I see why they discontinued this stuff
Post your hospital bill after shooting.
posting in legendary thread
shoot me with it pls
I will for $2 if you use #BuyItNow
Ebin thread
Beautiful work you magnificent lunatic
This is why I still come to /k/
Very based Josh.
is it any trouble to load?
I imagine the gunpowder falls off the baffles, but how does the bullet and cup fair through the suppressor?
holy shit this is cool.
i can only imagine how that thing sounds
Dear Diary, today OP wasn't a gay and in fact delivered.
Fricking a thanks for the laugh
Make the stock foldable OP
Holy shit the madlad revolutionized warfare.
wtf you're not allowed to be based on this board any more
Quick, somebody think of a way to send this to ukraine.
>How do I know your white
You are an inspiration sir.
The fact that it is QD meansca tax stamp is required? I much prefer this over tge SilencerCo Maxim 50 permanently attached "moderator". Seems sooner or later it will become packed with unburnt powder.
Nice.
What about some Red Dot?
>min/maxin' felon hardware
Fallout moment
fricking kek. now put an optic and vertical forward grip on it
I just want to know, are there any videos of this with sound? this is really cool
Include me in the screencap pls
Black person
ok but why did you buy the suppressor if you had nothing to put it on?
amazing
/k/ool OP
kool thread
what a time to be alive!