I raise poultry.
I want to install some simple, user friendly.
i am nearing 40, i hate the modern world. I just want something simple, i dont want a monthly plan, i dont need it to target faces or tell me about packages or talk.
I just want a simple, cheap camera i see through a app on my phone of whats happening outside, as i am not around.
Please help with suggestions. I can either hardwire it to power, or id prefer wifi cameras, i got a repeater right next to the wall on the house and it extends to the coop well.
Id be happy with 1 camera, Id be fulfilled with 4
suggestions?
Honestly just a cheap Android phone with a FOSS app, plus a second router that blocks all other network traffic at the router level aside from that camera feed. That lets you later do other stuff and it's easy as legos.
you used words i dont understand, what is a foss app? I dont really need strong security for video storage or anything, i live in the middle of nowhere, no one is hopping my wifi or router.
dont have a second router and i dont want to buy a router on top of cameras.
I'm fine with it being in the cloud, its chickens. I just dont want it to be complicated or a subscription, or pay for "PACKAGE RECOGNITION"
I'm sorry i dont quite understand what you said with foss.
The easiest, no bullshit setup for you then is a cheap Chinese wifi camera off Amazon. My dad recently setup a couple to watch the crackheads he shares a property line with, I'll ask him what brand he picked tomorrow.
Outside that, look at PoE (power over Ethernet) security cams. They're usually less than $50 US and plug in directly to your router.
I very much appreciate this. My wife works from home, my son is a gamer, my router only has 1 port left. Do you know if the wifi cameras work ok? I know they tend to lag, but im more after "where did the fox enter at, where did it go, did my dog steal a egg, is the duck harassing the chicken after i leave the coop".
side story, slightly related:
Wife told me 100 times the duck was trying to mount chickens and being too rough and hurting them, i finally saw it myself and ate him. But i thought she was just exaggerating.
I had a trail cam, but it ate batteries and its storage and ability to access image and videos was trash. (i know thats not the intended use, i had it lying around).
rooster attached (sgt pepper), he has fought and won against a fox twice. Id love to see what happened rather than stumbling out after the fact.
Honestly if you’re just wanting to have a simple video feed, you’ve verified wifi coverage in the coop is adequate, and truly don’t give a shit about security at all just get whatever cheap camera you want. Eufy, ecobee, ring, blink, etc all have cameras that you can get for under $150, maybe under $100, that can easily withstand outdoor conditions, have ~6 month battery life, and usually have the option to either be hard wired to power via permanently installing a usb charger or adding a solar charger.
And frankly while I am an ultra paranoid autismo about this shit typically the security concerns are also overstated. No one is hacking into your eufy camera connected via homekit or whatever. You should be furious that they change the tos after the point of sale, their shit data handling practices, their claims that no consumer video is ever remote uploaded being bullshit, etc. but some random person hacking it? Unlikely. A person who actually knows you hacking it? Borderline impossible unless you have like the nsa or kgb or whatever coming after you. Eufy capturing your face in a thumbnail for “ai recognition” and keeping it in a database, then getting hacked, and that dataset getting leaked after they refuse to pay a ransom? That’s a bit more likely but then it’s like oh no, there’s a picture of your face in a database of 7 million faces leaked online (though maybe with your home name and your first name, oof). If you can live with that go for it. I can’t so I have a local server and poe cameras on a vlan with no internet access. But at the same time it’s not like if I gave them internet access all of my info would be easily searchable and indexed online
Before getting an AC powered camera I did my research, basically none of the battery ones support ONVIF / RTSP streaming, the camera runs in low power mode to conserve battery when the stream is off. Since OP can run power to the camera I would strongly suggest just getting one that uses it. They're cheaper and better all around, battery powered cameras should only be used when running power is not an option.
Just not Wyze, I regret getting into that ecosystem. The Tapo camera seems much better, it will even continue to work locally if the company went out of business and the app disappears. And with a home VPN setup, one could still view the stream remotely using a third party app like tinyCam.
Holy frick, zoomer ring camera shills have discovered this thread already
To be clear I wouldn’t frick with that shit at all but op wants something easy and clearly stated he doesn’t give a frick. Most people in the thread are giving him shit answers that avoid this core purpose. Fwiw my house uses amcrest poe cameras linked to a switch then my nas in a basement where they are tied to a vlan with no internet access as stated but that’s not what op wants and would likely be a considerable expense and wiring headache he doesn’t want to deal with for a fricking chicken coop
Does that matter if op wants ease and to just download an app? My dad wanted an easy camera with permanent power, we just got a eufy and attached a usb cable to it all the time. You can get usb cables for the outdoor ones on ali and Amazon that have rubber gasket around the plug to make sure the connection is waterproof. So now he has his easy ass camera. If something goes wrong he doesn’t have to worry about reconfiguring rtsp streams and port forwarding, he just signs back into the eufy app and he’s good to go. He, like op, doesn’t give a shit about security or corporate ethics or whatever and just has the stream on at all times
> Does that matter if op wants ease and to just download an app?
I guess not much but you can still use it like just through the app.
I mostly do, but I like to leave the stream up all day in my browser when working from home so I can watch my back yard birds from my office which is facing the front yard. It's a very "nice to have" feature. Wyze has a web viewer but only on paid plans.
One thing that does kind of matter is the camera has a motor to pan/tilt, I don't think any battery cameras have that. I thought I wouldn't use that feature much but it's actually really nice to be able to move it and see stuff that was out of range with my fixed camera. Like I imagine if it's mounted in the ceiling of a chicken coop you could get full view of everything with just one camera.
If you want to be able to extend to more cameras in the future I’d definitely go with a dedicated (PoE) router for the cameras with VPN. I assume you already have power in/near the coop for lights? If not then go with PoE because then you only need to run one cable and it’s faster. But if there’s power already then wifi cameras are fine.
You could get a regular router but I wouldn’t connect cheap cams to the internet because they’re so easily hacked. You may not care that other people can see your chickens but they install botnet shit on them.
Sgt pepper is a cool big boy, I only have smol chickens. How are ducks? We are considering dicks but we do have wolves in the area
your own wife told you something 100 times and you refused to believe her until you saw it for yourself? god damn you're a fricking butthole and an idiot
why did you marry a woman you can't trust?
like what the frick would she ever have to gain by lying about a duck harassing some chickens? why would she make that up?
I ought to slap your stupid face with a cast iron frying pan and frick your wife better than you
100 times is hyperbolic.
she did the same thing the first time she saw a rooster mate and I processed a good rooster.
whatever you got going on in your life, I'm not your enemy and you don't know anything about me or my wife's relationship. I hope it gets better for you, but you have to make better decisions and be a better person.
with all due respect, which is minimal if existent.
eat shit Black person.
I showed my wife your post and she mocked you.
>what is foss
It stands for Free and Open Source Software. You can look up the source code or other sorts of documentation on how it works for full transparency.
It's honestly better to setup a camera made for interfacing with microcontrollers or a single board computer. If you want to make sure that no one else is looking through those cameras other than you, this is a closer way to achieve that. Beware of shills like >2772833 on this website; there are many of them over on PrepHole and this thread isn't too separate from that kind of discussion.
Lmao “I want something easy with an app on my phone”
“Have you considered single board computers or microcontrollers with camera modules? Anyone who suggests anything with a brand name is a shill. By the way, I am a moron”
Hikvision Poe camera
Router that can do VPN, set up VPN, block direct internet access to cameras so you don’t get hacked
You can just watch through your browser or install VLC and use the streaming link
Definitely HIKvision cameras, or one of the 1847 clones that exist, plus the CamHi app to manage them.
>one port left
If you are getting POE cameras, the thing into which you plug them (the switch) has to provide power to the cameras. You should get a POE switch with however many ports you need for your cameras, plus one. Then with one cable, you connect the switch to the one port on your wifi router.
i've had this one for 8 years, and i like it a lot
180-degree view is superb at 1080p
has an SD card slot so you can save several months worth of movement-detection recordings
you can operate it from PC or phone app
if you're keen, you can set it up to send either notices, or pics, or video, to an email address.
if you're even keener, you can have it automatically upload videos to a machine, like a NAS, on your network.
that's in case someone steals the camera with SD card inside.
not sure it's for sale still, but D-link has tons of new models with similar features. also has outdoor ones.
Tapo C520WS
I just got this one for about $60. It runs on AC power but connect via WiFi, or ethernet if you prefer. Decent video quality and you can pan/tilt the camera to get extra range. Overall not that large about the size of a softball. Motor is very quiet, I use it to spy on birds and it doesn't scare them if I move it when they're nearby.
You can watch from desktop too but it's kind of difficult to set up, I'm using the software "ispy" which just worked, a lot of others did not work.
Also it's not necessarily a cloud camera, watching from desktop or the app will connect directly over LAN. The app will work away from home over internet, but it's a very fast and smooth stream from home. Compare to wyze cameras which always tunnel through their servers even when you're on the same network as the camera. I have 2 other Wyze cameras I plan on replacing with Tapo ones eventually.
Also Tenda makes a decent one that has a web interface running right off the camera itself to view the stream. I would have kept that one but returned it because it was kind of big and didn't fit in the little slice of wall between my door and side of the house where I wanted to mount it.
Is there a way to control the pan-tilt function of the camera without using their app?
yes it works in any software that supports ONVIF cameras, including tinycam and ispy (I use both of those)
thank you all for your replies, ill be reading through all the models you guys given me.
I asked im sure a simple question cause i wasnt even aware a camera could be setup on a battery reliably, im still on putting AA into a trail can, it never occurred to me you could get video for a month on a battery.
as suggested, ill be looking into a permanent power source. I do general contracting and its nothing to me to set these things up physically, now get me into software side, im a moron.
Again, thanks for all the suggestions. I will continue to read anything posted for a few days as i kinda decide on my course.
Baby attached
I've installed REOLINK and HIKVISION.
RLC-510A or add wireless an option in the RLC-510WA. $50.
They record in the camera on a microsd. Samsung Pro Endurance 128GB $12.
That's it. Put the app on your phone and turn off battery optimization for it. Set up Push notifications. There are guest accounts so regular users like your wife and relatives can log in and view without changing settings. There are two streams, high and low. Set low as high as you can, 640*480, 15fps, 512k bitrate. The camera can have 2 high def streamers simultaneously and 10 low def streamers.
Get the A, do not get the non-A. The A is a later hardware revision, and there is a v1 and v2 within that. A is more flexible: better motion detection options.
Camera supports ONVIF etc and will talk with a HIKVISION head unit, if you want to add one.
You will never stop me from shagging your hens
op, Im back. I combined all the knowledge you guys provided me.
don't be mad. I don't know how well Im going to like this and I don't want to invest 300 dollars into nice shit if it's going to just get turned off.
I got some cheap shit off Amazon, some ip66 camera? it does exactly what I want it to do. I hit a button, I see my back yard. it's for alerts and stuff I'm fiddling with
if it's cheap shit and fails, I'll end up investing in alot better systems, but for now I bought two cheap IHOXTX Security Cameras Wireless Outdoor. if the solar panel fails I can hard wire a USB c to it, if that fails I invest in a better system given the experience.
I paid 30$ per camera. I got one setup and the other is on the way. I like what it's doing as long as it stays doing it.
sorry if going super cheap pisses anyone off, I got no idea if this is going to be as useful as I hope.
pic related. it uses a app called cloudplus. it works for what I need, it feels like some Chinese guy is jerking off to my chickens tho.
I hope he likes them.
as long as you produce fertile eggs, I'll show you the sexiest ones.
if your into ducks and guineas too, bro I got you.
op again, if I get different types of cameras, can I use them all on one app?
it looks like the apps are generic receivers as long as the cameras can talk?
basically I could use a different app than cloudplus and use the cameras still? or add a different higher quality brand?
is there a better software? app. shits called apps now
Pekin attached.
So if you had bought a camera using a standard protocol that would be possible but how are we supposed to know how the ihoxtx cameras communicate with their app? Maybe, maybe not, if all the cheap ones are literally clones software wise they may all be compatible with the app but if the app is branded there may be something preventing you from using other cameras with it
i got no idea how it works, just asking, I assumed any up camera would go through wifi, then you would get to decide on what software to view it through. but I got no idea.
The cheap brands love to tie their cameras to their apps. But if there is an rtsp or mjpeg stream you can use any app that supports those. It may take some work to access it from outside your wifi
would you take a second to explain protocols? as if you were explaing it to your mom. unlike her I'll put legwork on and try my best.
I am assuming. correct me.
the way it sound, it sounds like even if it's through wifi it still uses like a encryption to send the feed from the camera to the app. so I am to assume the app isn't interchangable unless I know about protocols, which I assume is how the camera talks to the app.
what are the different types of protocols? do higher end cameras typically come with a more open environment? or are they locked down into specific app to camera too?
I'm trying to understand, I am moronic but strong and my effort will exceed my inabilities.
(I only have dog training collars to compare this to, the higher end gps ones are to where the controller can talk to most collars and most collars to most collars, the lower end ones are specifically linked.)
ONVIF is the open standard for IP cameras. It's not a video format but specifies a few.
> ONVIF utilizes IT industry technologies includingSOAP,RTP, andMotion JPEG,MPEG-4,H.264video codecsandH.265video codecs. Later releases of the ONVIF specification (version 2.0) also cover storage and additional aspects of analytics.
Okay so
Every wifi camera with almost no exceptions use a standard streaming protocol under the hood. But many brands build something on top of that. Say the app has to say ‘open sesame’ to the camera before the camera responds with the stream. Then you can’t use a different app because the other app doesn’t say ‘open sesame’ but something else. And you can’t use another camera because the other camera responds to a different call.
But what a lot of them have is some undocumented stream that is always on (for their business customers or whatever) and often it can be found on the internet by googling the camera name + “stream url”. Sometimes you need to enable the non-app streaming link in the configuration page of the camera, or disable encryption to make it work without the app. See https://www.use-ip.co.uk/forum/threads/hikvision-rtsp-stream-urls.890/
In terms of apps there are many already named in the thread that take all sorts of streaming links and formats. I used VLC for this in the past but only use cams for recognition these days so no app.
what are the different types of protocols? do higher end cameras typically come with a more open environment?
Higher end ones do usually come with more possibilities to choose a streaming format, encryption and quality, and better documentation on those
> or are they locked down into specific app to camera too?
Anything professional aimed like for a store, surveillance or factory usually isn’t locked down. But western brand consumer grade stuff like ring/nest cameras are tied to their apps. The Chinese hikvision and their clones ones cheap options that do provide streams
I really appreciate you.
I understand alot more than I did before.
for my purpose there isn't a need to go beyond the app the camera provided.
the way I understand it, it's like how when I was younger we use to find unsecure security cameras.
I use to comb through them out of curiosity.
idk if the url stream is open. I wouldn't know how to begin finding mine if it was, it's just called chicken coop, or backyard.
I guess I could look at the device information in it's native app and see if there isn't anything there to try.
ip or something or a unique device name.
I'm more curious than anything, I am just going to use the native app and if they fail and I really liked them, move into a mid high system.
I was just playing with it this morning and heard that shithead fox yowling or yelping or screaming over the hill. let the dogs run him and heard the neighbors dogs running him right after. so that was convenient and fun. the fox would of yapped even if I walked outside, he wasn't close, but getting to sit on my fat ass and just get s idws of whats going on is very nice.
still opposed to front door security cameras and two ways and anything that bubbles you and removes you from your community. (not trying to start a morale argument, just not a fan overall, but I guess I'm a hypocrite now)
but for my use, I feel it's innocent.
more ding dongs attached.
> op again, if I get different types of cameras, can I use them all on one app?
tinyCam, it's like $5
supports a lot of different cameras but not all
https://tinycammonitor.com/
Im inhto duck feet anon. Not my proudest fap
no face.
no identifying tattoos.
she is a classy bawd.
octoprint raspberry pi kit for 3d print monitoring will probably do what you want. It’s a camera WiFi thing for losers to watch plastic cool down. your cluckle fricks will shit all over it so mount it higher than the highest roost. Then I would live stream the coop over some public domain classical music and rake in the ad revenue.
> You’re welcome
>I just want something simple, i dont want a monthly plan, i dont need it to target faces or tell me about packages or talk.
>I just want a simple, cheap camera i see through a app on my phone of whats happening outside, as i am not around.
Wyse cam. view through app, wifi, hardwire power, 20 bucks.
Why do you need a camera though? people have raised chickens without them for 1000s of years.
I'm seconding wyze. Just don't pay for the extra crap they push on the app and get an SD card. if security is a concern put it on a separate wifi network through an isolated VLAN
Not OP but i'm in the same situation as him, I want to put security cams all around my home. I don't want to have to run wires into my PoE network switch.
Is there a solution that has all of the following:
- Camera with its own built on solar panel so it powers itself
- Camera is able to 24/7 stream where its pointed (and I should be able to access this stream on a wall mounted TV I don't use to live watch)
- If i'm not home the camera automatically uploads motion detected videos to my NAS
- Some type of web interface I can live watch from
- Has sound if needed
- Has output that I can talk from my PC to the camera
> Is there a solution that has all of the following:
> - Camera with its own built on solar panel so it powers itself
> - Camera is able to 24/7 stream where its pointed
Pretty much no. Solar cameras are still battery cameras and just use solar to charge. An AC powered camera with wifi can meet your needs. I think they just need more juice than the battery can guarantee to give 24 hour streaming, even with solar.
Okay fair enough, I guess I can ditch the solar. At this point I may as well ask for PoE since I already have a POE switch. Stupid question, lets say from the camera outside > into Poe switch > into router. From there can I do a Raspberry pi hooked up to a wall mounted display I have to always show a good 60FPS 4k feed of where the cameras are pointing? Or will the Raspberry Pi's shit specs somehow mess with the display rate?
op here. thank you all. I got what I was after.
I hope the other people chasing what they want can feel safe and secure without being weirdos and invading other people's privacy and being part of a weird ass police state.
I hope you all have a good day, aside from captain cry baby.
I hope he learns to have good days, so good and be good.