I mean, if the Cold War went hot, wouldn't the rest of the Warsaw Pact just switch sides? My understanding is that everyone hated Russia except the elites, and even some of them did.
I mean, if the Cold War went hot, wouldn't the rest of the Warsaw Pact just switch sides?
One of my friends was in the romanian army during the revolution and he said that there was a point where his base was changing sides every 45 minutes.
And this is your answer OP.
The whole of the Warsaw Pact was mindbroken and uninformed about what was going on. Sure, many would switch sides or conduct sabotage about what was effectively an occupying army, but most would do what an authority figure told them. There is a reason Czechia and Hungary were subdued with merely a show of force.
WW83’ would’ve been horribly messy, even if nukes weren’t involved. The Soviets would push towards Western Europe and be stopped by NATO. But even to the east of this, revolutions would probably break out in Warsaw pact nations. Trouble grows further if you include China becoming involved; they hated the Soviets.
WW83’ would be interesting if you had South America along for the ride alongside the Warsaw Pact, though.
thats why they had a substantial amount of soviet soldiers around just incase they got that idea in their heads
>thats why they had a substantial amount of soviet soldiers around just incase they got that idea in their heads
Also most of the secret police in those states where hard line communists who would do the Russian bidding and remove any leaders that would try to switch sides.
Most of those people were infinitely more hardline than the Russians.
Stasi were regarded as rabid dogs in need of constant muzzling by the KGB because it felt like their main goals were corruption, embezzlement, torture for torture's sake and promoting bizarre ideologies in the West.
Stasi and east germs were just about the only moronic losers who bought into red ideas hard enough to sustain their political structure, at least while soviet troops were there to guard the wall. The rest didn't give a shit and varied from apathy to an open rebellion.
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Yeah, that’s a strong possibility. But i’d atleast expect a token show of force from the unwilling members of the pact to show the Soviets they did something incase they won. It’s be a less willing version of the Nazi led Euro states that invaded the Soviets with them, remaining mostly in the rear for the first few years with the Germans leading the charge
As if France, for instance, didn't fricking pack up and leave the NATO command structure and refused to cooperate in the collective nuclear deterrent. I mean, they rejoined the former only in 2009.
Come on, that messy political bullshit went on everywhere.
France did that because it was an international embarassment and refused NATO help when they were fighting the Vietkangs. Unlike the Amerimutts, the frogs lost in a conventional war to the norks leaving their military castrated, France just couldnt catch a break from 1900-1980, loss after loss, defeat after defeat. But dont think the frogs wouldnt be part of wwiii, they had many seperate defense and alliance pacts that obligated them to help west Germany and the UK in any defensive war.
rewrite the history with chud today !
USSR was a divided mess and was kept together by the political influence of moscow. If the war went hot, people would have switched sides because at that point its now or never.
There was a general distaste for the USSR considering some of these countries opposed the Allies and by extension the USSR in some sort of form. They were also satellite countries so while the influence was there they weren't exactly too happy with them either short of the people in power who used fearmongering and the promise of a better life if you help them but even then they were somewhat disconnected from the USSR. Make no mistake, stories of what the USSR did in the wake of going through the countries that are now under their influence spread, and they spread faster when you shove everyone from the rural side that survived those horrors into towns. Resentment builds across generations as well, and the echoes of those stories still rang to my ears after its fall.
Russians thought there was a high chance Polish units would open fire on them if a war were to happen and planned accordingly.
That would be a problem, but empires always had ways of forcing their subjects to fight for them
What the frick is this map?
>Moldova is independent
>Sweden is aligned with the West
>French West Africa still exists, apart from Togo, which is now independent
>All of the other French colonies in Africa apart from Algeria are now independent, despite gaining independence the same year as West Africa
>North Yemen is Soviet aligned rather than South
>Afghanistan is Soviet aligned, despite everything else on the map indicating it’s the 60s
is aligned with the West
During the Cold War Sweden was really aligned to West to even to extend that there where secret guarantees from US that they would come to aid Sweden if Soviet Union tried to invade. Swedens posturing as neutral country was just smoke and mirrors. That's why they dragged their feet on the decision to apply to NATO. If Finland hadn't bewen so keen to join aswell they probably would not have apllied at all.
Europe would have become a nuclear wasteland in a week. Nuking half of Poland was essential to stop Warsaw Pact reinforcements and supplies to the front. Cold War leaders were WW2 veterans who would send their troops directly towards the epicenter of a nuclear explosion and not even blink.
Looking at Russia today I am certain the bad guys lost the cold war, but looking at the world and my life I’m not sure the good guys won.
The USSR's plan was to feed the Warsaw Pact into the Fulda Gap first and task them with striking places like London to guarantee that they get wiped off the map by ICBMs. The Polish Army was notorious for friendly fire problems when doing training exercises with the Red Army
>The Polish Army was notorious for friendly fire problems when doing training exercises with the Red Army
based polacks
>puppet states changing sides
These countries were police states ran by subsidiaries of the KGB who had difficulties breathing if Moscow forgot to tell them to do so. At best their efficiency as cannon fodder would decrease.
the same ones that successfully overthrew the zigger mouth breathers and become functioning states after the initial crime surge post communism was subdued?
Russia, through the USSR, expected their slave states to actually turn on them once they were used as the frontline cannon fodder and started dying in numbers. In their planning they intended to nuke them first the moment they turned on them after running into NATO forces and getting slaughtered wholesale. After all, in their minds the Baltics and Eastern European states were untermensch subhumans to the perfect state of the Soviet Man.
>wouldn't the rest of the Warsaw Pact just switch sides?
pretty much although not as imminent. At the start it would have been very sluggish, borderline mutiny "deployment" with only the most bare minimum token military action. Because enslaved east euros from Estonia to Czechoslovakia knew very well vatnigs want to use them as glorified meat fodder like donbawe and lughanda today.
Now where things would have gotten interesing after the first major military disasters in west germany started filtering through the censorship. Imagine a much larger Russia army of today trying to reinforce and supply rapidly disintegrating attack formations in germany via railway through rebelling Poland constantly attacking their columns and railways.