I just learned China has a completely volunteer army. They don’t have mandatory conscription
How many of you knew that
I just learned China has a completely volunteer army. They dont have mandatory conscription. How many of you knew that
I just learned China has a completely volunteer army. They don’t have mandatory conscription
How many of you knew that
A better question:
How would the film IT have gone down if Pennywise the clown was armed with only an H&K 416?
Probably would've gone better for Pennywise. Every reality-warping villain always becomes a wienery moron and loses to children and dementia patients, on the other hand there's only so much you can do to frick around with an HK416 and that STILL involves shooting your opponents.
>They don’t have mandatory conscription
They unironically cant afford it
They theoretically have. They just haven't been conscripting anyone since like the 50's because the PLA is tiny compared to their population size and gets more than enough volunteers.
This. Also, I don't know about now, but it used to be that the PLA was one of the best paying gigs for a Red Chinaman (because they sold tv service, vides, and other black market contraband). I'm willing to bet this has stopped in the Winnie the Pooh era.
It still can't be bad unless you get stationed in the Himalayas as a pikeman against the Sirs. The PRC isn't in any real combat zones I'm aware of.
During the maoist era, maybe. Also the 80s, during Reform with No Losers. Definitely not now, it pays shit compared to the factories so barely anyone wants to join.
Budget shift started in the late 90s, they got a bunch of soviet techies and they didn't think they needed as much of their land army for policing.
Then whinney the pooh amped it to 11, massively cuting their bugmen land swarm so they could afford to try and have a real airfoce and navy, and to remove the army as a real threat for their corruption "reforms".
A former co-worker from China was called up into the PLA for basic training. It's where he developed his liking for guns but was sorely disappointed when he immigrated to Canuckistan in 2000 and learned the fun guns were illegal. Oh well, he was one of the most enthusiastic guys i've ever shot with. Told us about several incidents of soldiers going berserk with AK's in cities.
Canada has plenty of good fun guns that are legal though. Better than the majority of nations. Also he had no chance of getting fun guns in China.
He wanted an AK. Told him he should've come here 10 yrs earlier. But I let him shoot my prebans. The smile on his face is satisfying.
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Technically their colleges have a "boot camp" but it's mostly marching around and shouting commie slogans. They do sometimes get to shoot guns tho
>Technically their colleges have a "boot camp" but it's mostly marching around and shouting commie slogans. They do sometimes get to shoot guns tho
All high schools have about two weeks of this in senior year, a handful of PFGs have to come be drill sergeants to high school kids for two weeks, tell them how shit they are then be amazed by their progress and then at the end say how proud they are of them all.
If they're lucky then they do a bit of prone target shooting in there too.
It's not really reservist training, more like pro-PLA propaganda.
t. expat in China
What city u in?
Was, I've left now though I have to go back occasionally.
I was in Inner Mongolia.
So you're outta inna mongolia?
How is the economy there these days? Is it really as bad as people say it is? Also, I've heard that Hohot is like a mini Beijing, would you say that's true?
It’s actually for anyone who
after graduating high school is enrolled in a chinese university - you are required to do it before the actual start of the 1st semester of would be your freshman undergrad year. It’s like 3-4 weeks long and is usually done in late july/august right before the fall start of classes. In fact, in a lot cases the “boot camp” is actually done on the campus of whatever college you are going to so you basically are just showing up to campus a month earlier in the summer than say a student in the USA would when heading back to school in the fall.
And as some others have mentioned, it’s mostly ridiculous LARPing designed primarily to pump up what the CCP considers a lagging sense of oohrah nationalistic pride in otherwise apathetic young people. There’s plenty of marching and standing around at attention for hours while wearing camo fatigues, but it’s mostly just propaganda/lecturing about how great the CCP (and by extension China) is. The whole thing is a farce and apparently it’s not taken very seriously by anybody other than the instructors running it. For the students it’s mostly viewed as much hated inconvenience and waste of time that one unfortunately has to suffer thru before starting college.
Can confirm that there is one day though where you do get to take a trip to the rifle range and take a few potshots with an old beat to shit type 56. you dont actually get to learn anything about how to effectively use or maintain said firearm (CCP cant have the population learning THAT sort of stuff). No, one of the cadre loads/racks it for you & you get to shoot about half a mag at a 50yd target or thereabouts.
That’s about it.
However my info is about 15 years out of date so it could very well be different now.
t. my wife had to go thru it, says the whole thing is totally fake and gay, and managed to weasel her way out of the shitty outdoor stuff and into a comfy indoors paperpushing gig
>says the whole thing is totally fake and gay
Yeah one of my friends told me about her experience at the range when I told her I was hasguns and she said it went like this
>some kind of officer or something gives a demo to "show you all how it's done"
>dumps mag down range
>spotter in pit below the target says zero hits
>someone radios spotter to let him know who's shooting
>spotter says they were actually all bullseyes
Yeah sounds about right.
I don’t think they had spotters back when my wife did it but that sort of nonsense is so characteristically chinese i would not at surprised at all if that was something they have implemented in the time since
thats literally not true
my chinese friend is under threat of being drafted if he goes back in to the country
>thats literally not true
>my chinese friend is under threat of being drafted if he goes back in to the country
/thread. Volunteer has a very different meaning in a communist country.
>Mfw my language literally uses the term "chinese volunteer" for someone that is pressured or forced into what should be a volunteer position
Geen enkele chinees is een vrijwillige "vrijwilliger"
voluntold
This was a thing in eastern Europe as well. On select days schools were emptied out and all the children and teachers had a lot of fun cleaning the streets. Or else.
They are having problems getting recruits particular ones with an education so introduced a new law allowing them to be drafted and also one that allows them to draft any former personnel
>drafted
Don't be silly...
He was born in the Chinese army, he haven't been asked to report yet because he is lost in enemy territory.
>anecdote from an expat
More trustworthy than a statement from a motherless wumao.
What the frick are you talking about?
LMAO, no. Expat anecdotes are worth less than nothing.
China literally doesn't do conscription.
Taiwan has forced conscription after high school (which Taiwanese absolutely hate and despise and try to do everything they can to avoid military service) there's literally no service requirements in the PRC.
You're full of shit or your "friend" is full of shit.
Post yourself riding an escalator without incident.
Uh huh.
kek
What's really funny is that you're not even saying that voluntarily, you're being coerced to deny coercion.
>the PLA is not a national army of the type of traditional nation-states, but a political army or the armed branch of the CCP itself since its allegiance is to the party only and not the state or any constitution. At present, the CMC chairman is customarily also the CCP general secretary
Cool, just imagine a world where Republicans are allowed to have their own army.
if you dont have multiple armed forces with personal ties to the dear leader or armed branches of the ruling party you arent doing dictatorships right
That used to be the case for the KMT's National Revolutionary Army before they changed it back to Republic of China army.
It's called the largest force of armed people on Earth, namely American gun owners.
who are those gamers?
they have conscription through poverty because something like 85% of china lives below the poverty line with the bare minimum to survive
You convinced me OP, China is not weak but very strong
So does America, moron.
Their people are selected to volunteer.
They do have a mandatory propaganda from childhood such that they're told to worship the state.
So "voluntary" thought/impulses/behaviors are all state controlled.
Chinese society is mandatory conscription, it encourages the excess young men in the population to volunteer to get to go be in a less byzantine dystopia of bureaucratic nightmares for a few years.
A lot of Chinese villages had militias with guns that were supposed to be apart of the national defense until the 1993 911 Matian incident that saw two villages wage a war against each other that got in the national news, to which the national government got embarrassed and did a gun control campaign.
Contrary to popular belief, Mao didn’t take guns. Their main national defense projection plan after the Sino Split was that the Soviets were the most likely out of their adversaries to actually invade them (the Americans, they believed, would just bomb them coastally and get bored and they were to absorb the losses and focus defense production in the interior) and their defense strategy was having the PLA and various decentralized mass-popular militia to face them in a in a fortified frontier starting at Gansu and nearby provinces, not Xinjiang.
China has no formal conscription. Province officials are tasked at trying to meet a certain quota of new ‘volunteers’ annually, in which they have in the past (and arguably reportedly some now) used various forms of coercion and chicanery to get suitable naive young men from unnotable and unconnected families to join, but for most of their history (post Korean War) they haven’t had much problem getting genuine volunteers. lots of Chinese are genuinely nationalists, a portion of them have always been willing to serve. Since liberalization reforms the pay has been comparatively shit, but military service is compensationally worth it to some because it has job security, a national pension that won’t get cut, a good deal of mobility (PLA relies on a lot of enlisted-to-officer schemes to fill up their officer roles), military academies are tuition free, and because servicemen get some social privileges (such as it’s practically impossible for your wife to get a judge to sign off on a divorce)
>Soviets were the most likely out of their adversaries to actually invade them
In defense of the Soviets, the Chinese literally started the border shootings between them and the PRC would have had it coming. It worked out for the Americans well enough to split the two, but the Chinese for sure started that fight
>Mao didn’t take guns. Their main national defense projection plan after the Sino Split was that the Soviets were the most likely out of their adversaries to actually invade them (the Americans, they believed, would just bomb them coastally and get bored and they were to absorb the losses and focus defense production in the interior) and their defense strategy was having the PLA and various decentralized mass-popular militia to face them in a in a fortified frontier starting at Gansu and nearby provinces,
He did you moron. The guns aren't privately owned but locked up in village armouries.
Vietnam had the same militia program and the people don't own the guns. You can't just take a gun from the armoury to your house.
Japan was the first to implement gun control during Tokugawa and it was copied by Korea and China and Taiwan.
Also the people in Matian used homemade guns.
You're really moronic if you think that's private gun ownership.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chinese_vrijwilliger
I did. They have 1.4 billion people, meaning that even if their population just stops breeding they'll have at LEAST 1 or 2 million people who decide that being part of the PLA is a viable gig. The US manages a military of about a million with a quarter or fifth of the population, so we really shouldn't be surprised that China can manage an entirely volunteer force with a LOT more people. India is also in a similar boat. You dont' NEED conscription if you have just a crap ton of people, because inevitably you'll have enough volunteers.
If Europe for example had a centralized military, a lot of the countries that do conscription probably wouldn't need it because the entire continent could likely put together at least 2 million volunteers with another million or so reservists. Of course, that is purely theoretical. But even if just a small percentage of the population wants to join the military, say .5%, well of 450 million people in the EU that's still 2,250,000 people. That's one in 200 people.
If 1 in 200 Indians joined the Indian army that'd be like 7 million people. You don't NEED conscription at that point because frankly your bottle neck won't be population, it'd be ORGANIZING 7 million people and putting together the capacity to feed, equip, train, water, house, and support them with tanks, arty, planes, helos etc. etc. China and India will likely never need conscription, even if they threw down against each other, because the bottlenecks they face aren't population related unless its 20 years from now when China's One Child Policy demographic atomic bomb finally detonates. It's the fact that an artillery gun can only be so many places at once, that barrels can only be made and swapped so fast, that the planes can only do so many sorties from so many air fields, and that they can only train specialists at a certain rate.
>demographic atomic bomb finally detonates.
South Korea and Taiwan have even lower fertility rates than the PRC.
Japan, South Korea and Taiwan's governments actively intervened to reduce their own f ertility rate long before the one child policy in the PRC.