I have repeatedly seen people claim that shooting a Jedi with a regular bullet will kill bin, since blocking it with a lightsaber will cause it to melt and still impact him, as opposed to a laser being deflected. But wouldn’t the bullet still be vaporized instead of melted? We see lightsabers cut through metal doors all the time.
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Bruh, I just shit the bed. Give me a second before asking these hard questions
If you use a single shot weapon, sure, but you'd still have a pile of steaming metal chunks flying towards the jedi. Using something like an MP5 would be more effective.
The in-universe weapons that use bullets (slugthrowers) are preferred weapons of Jedi hunters.
Instead of reading about jedi hunters why don't you go out and hunt some pussy you fricking nerd.
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Star Wars lore is one of the most effective ways to get pussy.
Yeah, every 30-50 year old woman on twitter is suddenly super into star wars.
Have you looked at them cutting the doors? It takes a while and it melts rather slowly.
A bullet goes fast. Like sure, it might vaporize or just deflect a lighter bullet, but if you used a fat enough shotgun slug made out of one of the funny meme fictional materials it should go right through.
But Star Wars in current day and age is for zoomies and morons anyway.
That shit's all over the place now. In the new Obi Wan show that monkey lady cuts through a blast door pretty much instantly with her saber.
That's not the same. The blast doors on the droid control ships must have been 10x the thickness of the ones in the shitnobi show.
my question is why shoot at it for minutes with the space ma deuce when you could just skeleton key that b***h open in a second with a lightsaber. If I were the trooper I wouldn't be complaining, because I'm sure that shit is fun, but for the mission and all it doesn't really make sense.
I think the worst part is that the rebels had too casualties over the whole encounter, despite being entirely out of cover at as little as 3 yards away.
>muh storm troober aim
Episode 4 opens with storm troopers winning a fight in a hallway with far fewer numbers against much better trained opponents.
That was also ridiculous. I know the bad shot meme, but troopers were like 6 feet away after the breach and missing shots.
>Episode 4 opens with storm troopers winning a fight in a hallway with far fewer numbers against much better trained opponents.
Oh boy the warsie cope has started.
>cope
I'm saying the fight was moronic because they already have precedent of being much more competent than the garbage we saw in Kenobi.
I meant better trained than the rebels in the hangar. By episode 4, the Rebels were a proper military. The dudes in the hideout weren't even a fighting force.
By what metric are Stormtroopers worse trained than some random rebel dudes? Keep in mind The Stormtroopers on that raid were Darth Vader's personal legion, they were the best the Empire had.
also the "bad storm trooper aim" thing was a misunderstanding of what was clearly a clever trap to find the location of the main rebel base and potentially cripple their entire command chain and political support
Vader showed the ability to use the force remotely.
Obi Wan simply came back more powerful after being struck down and fricked with ALL the storm troopers aim.
Stormtroopers were dying because they couldn't hit targets sitting fifteen feet from them, there was no clever plan involved there.
Though the entire series we see them missing so badly at rock throwing distance against standing man sized targets with no cover that they are then killed.
We see this from Stormtroopers, Clones, B1s, B2s, Rebels, we see it in the films, in comics, in Clone Wars, in Rebels, oh frick don't even start on Rebels, where there are multiple scenes of Stormtroopers lining up in a firing squad, half kneeling half standing, and missing unarmed stationary targets at fifty feet.
They suck, they all suck. Basic strategy and small unit tactics are treated like enourmous force multipliers in setting. The fighting ranges from looking like shit out of the 1600s to WW2 at absolute best. Gendy's series was the most respectable combat Star Wars ever got by a factor of 100 and all he did was just increase the engagement ranges and the size of the explosions.
Just accept that no one involved in Star Wars knows the first fricking thing about war.
Just use a shotgun or a full auto shotgun like AA12.
Jedi's aren't the flash. They can only stop bullets in a specific line by prediction.
Actually is somewhat ridiculous now that i think about that nobody just used a shotgun or a grenade against them....
Star Wars isn't built on logic or even consistent internal rules, it's essentially child play with "I shoot laser! No! I block the laser with my laser sword! It goes back at you! No! I have laser-proof armor!" put on big screen.
iirc in the mandalorian series they explain that in the mandalorian-jedi war they used ""slugthrowers"" to great effect
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Slugthrower
sorry for the reddit tier site but its the only one
Grenades seem like something they could probably throw back at you, bullets are a bit harder to catch with mind magic. I think that's why Mandolorians used flamethrowers and shotguns to fight the Jedi
HK-47 explains the main issue best in KOTOR. Jedi are borderline clairvoyant and can take defensive measures against a specific threat before they even get eyes on it.
That's true, but if you did manage to corner a Jedi, and many frequently do, then a flamethrower or shotgun is obviously the best option. I actually think it's a crime that Disney has decided that fricking up the legacy of Obi Wan and Boba Fett is more worth their time than doing something on the mandalorian wars. People like mandalorians and people like jedi, so exploring what combat between them would look like is obviously something that people would be keen on seeing. It's sorely lacking in the movies and shows.
Disney is more focused on cultural warfare than giving us anything fun, the mandalorian was attempted to be cancelled by kathleen kennedy because it didn't line up with her girl power mental illness parade, but s1 of the mandalorian was still better than anything starwars related in the mainstream in the past 20 years.
some comics have elite troops trained with ballistic bullets to kill jedi, but it's stupid given jedi can project magic to stop projectiles instead of dealing with the molten lead from blocking.
Besides it's pointless if they god for clone trooper armor like Obi-wan had in the clone wars.
If it was that easy to make a magic barrier that stops bullets, why wouldn't they just do that for lasers and not even bother deflecting them? They could just run in and decapitate everyone and ignore their fire completely.
Come to think of it, why don't you see them force pull guns to disarm people more often? I think that's only done literally one time in any of the movies, and i don't recall ever seeing it in shows.
in fact prior to their big conflict with the jedi the mandos DID use a lot of grenades lol
they stopped during that conflict.
The clone wars show is full of jedi mindthrowing droid grenades back at them
And in Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy there's a shotgun-like weapon that's difficult to block. You can block the projectiles that would have hit you in the chest area, but some of them are still going to hit you in the legs. Grenades and heavier projectiles can be force pushed away, and sniper shots can be dodged, but that's really hard to do.
I'm pretty sure they were using grandes in old trilogy.
It's happened in lore. Think of weaponry in Star Wars almost as a rock-paper-scissors in that sense. A blaster can hold a few hundred shots in an incredibly small magazine, it's just ionizing gas into what's basically plasma. And I know they use terms like laser sometimes but that's mostly early sci fi shit where the writers didn't know what the difference between such things were, plus it was always meant to be science fantasy anyways. Later retcons made it plasma, laser may as well be in-universe fudd jargon like how some people call magazine "clips" IRL.
Anyways, you have blasters. For the average person you'd be stupid not to us them, they're made far more effective in terms of damage, range, and capacity that conventional guns are obsolete, think of an AR-15 kitted with maybe 7 30-rounders (210 rounds total) versus a blaster with a 150 round capacity in a single mag that's lighter, so you can carry more. A soldier can easily carry a few thousand shots of plasma on his person at a greatly reduced weight. And in the old lore, stuff like Stormtrooper armor can stop pretty much any form of projectile weaponry and shrapnel. A conventional gun is obsolete both in terms of being outclassed by blasters and being rendered entirely ineffective by average body armor. Its sole use would be a niche weapon for facing off against Jedi who can deflect blaster fire with their lightsabers and the aid of the Force, which is why a normal person would have minimal use of a lightsaber since they wouldn't have the senses to deflect it in time.
So blaster beats gun, lightsaber beats blaster, gun beats lightsaber. Or at least that's how it's supposed to work since Disney is intent on ruining the franchise. I'm tempted to make a not-Star Wars setting kinda like how Battletech is just a place for 40k fans sick of GW's shit to frick off to. It would more than likely be the realm of fanfics and some fanmade contributions in video form.
Why not just carry a pistol.
>Slug throwers can't penetrate common armor
Warsies always lying, the RPGs had literally a dozen different regular ass guns that punched right through stormie armor, in lore not just mechanics, and there was even background info given on a random extra with a fricking WW1 rifle that said that it was a regular old gun like in the real world, but it could punch through both sides of a stormtrooper's chest like nothing.
Which makes a lot of sense really, the materials you'd use to protect against heat based damage and kinetic penetration are very divergent.
>Stormtrooper armor can stop pretty much any form of projectile weaponry and shrapnel
I distinctly recall ewocks killing storm troopers with literal fricking rocks
>I distinctly recall ewocks killing storm troopers with literal fricking rocks
That's back when star wars was a fun series of kids movies adults could watch and enjoy to
>N-no, see- n-no, scout trooper armor is ten million times weaker than stormtrooper armor.... M-muh fist sized rocks, m-muh arrow only penetrated the backpack not the armor... Muh... Muh....
There are people who have spent decades passionately arguing that every gun in Star Wars contains the power of a small nuclear bomb, including several people who managed to weasel their way on the star wars EU writing staff.
Every time a new visual depiction of the setting comes out they go into overdrive because the visuals are thought up by terminal boomers who have no idea how anything works, and so they have to frantically argue about how your eyes are lying to you and how actually everything you saw was continent destroying supernukes.
Also Boba explodes the armor off their bodies with a literal fricking stick in The Mandalorian.
The lore has always been that they use some advanced plastic which is supposed to insulate from the heat of a blaster bolt. The problem is that it more or less works as well as lvl 3a armor does against bullets.
It was a super special stick
Actually is somewhat ridiculous now that i think about that the French, English and Americans never issued an anti-tank rifle to each and every soldier in WW1 just in case they happened to come upon an A7V....
the jedi would simply vaporize the bullet and then use the force to throw the lead vapor into your lungs, giving you crippling developmental problems
metal vaporized that fast would look like a fricking grenade exploding
So you’ve effectively blinded them and can easily line up a kill shot
I doubt it could sufficiently vaporize a shotgun slug, too much mass moving too fast through its small cross section
>vaporizing a bullet
unless they're also pushing it away as well that just means they're getting hit by extremely hot expanding gas instead of a bullet
Lightsaber hits clearly deliver force on whatever they hit, I assume either through hot gas expansion or by having the blade act more like a solid.
Lightabers aren't real.
go ask george lucas
>Shoot lightsaber with lead bullets
>lead gets vapourised into a gas
>jedi inhales deep
>dead in 3 months from lead poisoning
But how will you add his lightsabre to the collection?
>collecting trash
weird
star wars is moronic, you have to suspend your sense of disbelief if you're gonna watch it. Laser weapons apparently only cause small localized burns that anyone who is hit with them can easily shrug off. Meanwhile bullets kill people.
all things considered, the arguments are strong.
>but
what if lightsabers are not just laser swords? and they are a plasma sword?
>my proposed theories
lightsabers have molecules that can be hard on impact, like a man falling onto water from a mile high. So plasma shots and even solid projectile rounds can cause a similar effect if they are large enough?
>also
One thing to note is how the sword acts in episode 1 being used against the sword. If it were just laser would it not just smoosh into the door like a lick of flame from a blowtorch?
>conclusion
regardless of what, bullets or slug like weapons have been used in Star Wars and prove to be very effective since the armor stormtroopers and clones wear only protects them from blaster guns. They do not absorb the impact from bullets and will break like a clay pigeon.
Yes, OP you are correct. In most cases the bullet is being completely destroyed by the plasma in the saber before it can exit the magnetic field.
The one example in-universe otherwise is from a non-canon comic book these days.
The Mandalorian implies once upon a time beskar, cortosis, or some form of lightsaber-resistant metal was used by the Mandos of old against the Jedi to great effect. It also shows us that said metals are almost as rare as the Jedi they’re supposed to kill.
>against the Jedi to great effect
I really don't get this. Even if you have a special weapon you'll still get fricking annihilated in 2 seconds by a Jedi.
They'll either just throw you against the wall, instantly snapping your spine or they'll just use precognition to avoid all your pathetic flailing.
Or they'll stare blankly at two ranks of Civil War tier infantry after decades of combat and force training to the highest level, and get absolutely blown the frick out instantly.
What?
You'd have to sublimate the bullet, from what we see in ep1 steel bulkheads are only liquefied. For a bullet traveling 3000fps that's not nearly enough time to flash.
The bigger issue isn't whether or not the bullets are vaporized, but the ease at which a jedi could use the force to redirect bullets as opposed to energy shots, or to otherwise mess with the mechanics of a modern weapon. An untrained pleb wielding a lightsaber would easily succumb to small arms fire, but a trained medium-tier jedi knight would have an easier time dealing with physical ammunition rather than blaster bolts.
Wouldn't they just use the force to stop or deflect any projectile weapons?
depends on how many, how fast they can react, etc, just as laser weapons.
but if they aren't that good at using the force as a brute force shield, they may try just deflecting it like they were trained to do since they were children.
and a LOT of jedi were non combat focused consulars by the time of the prequels.
barely any focused on martial prowess.
I think that's a pretty difficult feat for them. You only really see real masters like Yoda do this on a normal basis.
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Remind me again why they've completely forgone at least ballistic artillery and missiles in Star Wars when every ship has a gigantic frick off energy shield
There are ray shields and deflector shields. Also there are a LOT of missiles.
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You see lightsabers melt durasteel doors, there are literally shotguns (albeit rare) in the Star Wars EU and they frick Jedi up...
Disney gays piss me off so much with their moronic questions!
>cutting through doors
And what drips down from those cuts? The metal isn't vaporized, that would kill the user instantly (seriously vaporized metals are scary as frick) and said molten metal would still be moving. For fricks sake the Mando's favorite side arm was a gauss shotgun pistol that assblasted the Jedi so much that it got banned as a disrupter weapon. (Though said weapons would be like an artillery strike in power)
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As some others have stated, there are numerous ways throughout the series in which Jedi characters are defeated, even by blasters. The first and most common is volume of fire. They can only block so many before they are killed. It is worth noting that the reason why Jedi are effective with lightsabers is because of their connection to the Force, and that the way in which in it works is wildly variable in every single depiction of Jedi. People rightly shit on the later movies and the inane shit it brings into the mix, but even earlier movies are extremely vague about to what extent it helps users.
As a general rule most Force sensitive beings have some level of clairvoyance: They are able to block shots because they can sense where they are going to be, and then move their saber in the path of the projectile. Thus, stronger Force user can sense further into the future and are afforded more protection. In addition, while it is not commonly depicted Force users typically are able to move at supernatural speeds. There are many times in extended media in which a character is able to swipe away volleys of even automatic fire. So, in that sense, a powerful Jedi being attacked even by a machine gun could likely just dodge out of the way so long as literally every pathway was not blocked by fire when moving at some ridiculous speed.
At the end of the day though, the series is not at all consistent. Jedi don't use lightsabers because they are realistic or genuinely effective weapons. They use them because they are stand-ins as knights in shining armor, with their sword a symbol of their status. Lightsabers are exciting and fun, and Star Wars is supposed to be an adventure where we see cool people with cool powers do cool things. You might as well complain about power levels in DBZ, it's not really all that useful.
The obvious answer is a shotgun.
You can't beat a jedi one on one, but they can still get overwhelmed no matter what weapon you use unless they're one of a handful of plot armored jedi.